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let us start in ohio. 1.1 million pounds of vinyl chloride was released into the air, following the derailment of the northern suffolk train two weeks ago, a chemical that can cause dna mutations and lead to long-term cancers, according to a lawsuit that's alleging all of that, and it is a big reason why residents of east palestine ohio say they don't believe officials who are telling them it's safe to go home, safe to breathe, safe to drink the water. the epa administrator was there yesterday. the governor was out there today. it's okay, they say, we've tested the air. we've tested the water. still, residents are complaining about burning in their lungs and their eyes. and unusual rashes. they're worried about their kids. can they bathe them in their bathtub. can they use the tap to mix formula for their babies. the federal government is setting medical teams to both examine residents and assess

what dangers could still exist, an acknowledgment that the aftermath of this derailment has been physically and emotionally overwhelming for the small town. just listen to the mayor of east palestine, two days ago. >> i need help. i'm not ready for this. i wasn't built for this. i thought of myself as a leader of men, and i have the village on my back, and i'll do whatever it takes, whatever it takes. >> the mayor joins me in a moment. let's go to a reporter on the ground first. nbc news correspondent, george solis is in east palestine. george, off lot of residents who say they don't entirely believe that it is safe to go home. you also have a lot of residents who say they can't afford to leave. talk to me about what you're hearing and the hard place that these folks find themselves in. >> yeah, good afternoon, katy, a

lot of residents understandably frustrated, feeling they've received a lot of mixed messaging in the last several days, especially when it comes to the quality of the water. governor mike dewine saying we have done the testing and retesting, assuring residents that their water and air are safe. a lot of people are saying they aren't buying it. they're feeling sick, feeling the irritation in their eyes and throats. the governor saying we may not be eligible for fema assistance but we are filing paperwork, so should that change, we have that documented. we're using health and human services and the cdc. they want to open up collins, so people can be checked if they are feeling sick. we don't want to down play symptoms or concerns. sound from someone in the community who says they are frustrated and they just want answers, take a listen. >> a lot of people say it's not so much the short-term, which is a problem.

you guys are also worried what happens, five, ten years down the road. >> definitely. five, ten years down the road, first of all, my property values around here, they're done. what i paid for my house, i'll never get that back out of it. health-wise, cancer, i mean, is this going to be a big cancer cluster? in five to ten years, will i walk my daughter down the aisle, will i see her get married? what's going to happen? >> reporter: a lot of people want to know who's going to be responsible for this. the train operators say they want to help the people of the community. they have been no shows at town halls, one that happened about two days ago. people were wondering why the representatives weren't here to answer the questions or frustration from residents. many wonder if they will make good on their promise to be here or show up. katy. >> george solis, thank you very much. and joining me by phone, we're having technical difficulties with his shot is the mayor of

east palestine, ohio, trent conway, thank you very much for being here. i hope to begin with you where george left off, and that's the railway, the railroad company, norfolk southern. do you have any expect thags -- expectation that leaders will show up in east palestine and answer some questions? >> i do think they'll show up. we have a couple of meetings scheduled for next week. you know, they've been working with us okay. we just want to make sure it continues to be that way. you know, they have to take responsibility for what they did and make our town whole again. >> in order to do that, to make good, make the town whole, take responsibility, what does the town need? >> we need some answers. you know, we continue testing. our residents need to be tested for the long-term, you know, we have to have their guarantee that they are going to provide, you know, medical testing down the road. not just right now. i don't think we're going to see

the true effects of this for a while. >> they said they'd pay a $1,000 inconvenience fee to the residents of that town, your town, also the small businesses. is that enough? >> no, i'm hoping that was just meant for displaced residents, to help cover the expenses they had during this ongoing tragedy, but that is surely not enough for some of these residents, especially the businesses, and we're in this for a long haul, i have a feeling. >> have you gotten a good answer about how this happened, why this train derailed? >> no, ma'am, not as of yet. the ntsb has been working with us, you know, gathering a bunch of information, and the report hopefully will have a true answer of what actually happened. you hear rumors, it was bearings or faulty detectors, as of right

now, we have no actually evidence of what happened. so. >> are you confident in the air and the water, i know a lot of residents are saying that their eyes are burning, their throats are burning, they're talking about unusual rashes. can you say confidently that it is safe right now? >> as far as the municipal drinking water, and only the municipal drinking water, yes, i'm 100% confident it is safe. i trust the people, our own in-house technicians that take care of the water, and i know for a fact they wouldn't put me or my family's house or any of our residents in jeopardy. yes, there's definitely contamination in the cricks and streams. there's definitely dead fish, definitely chemicals in those, and the private wells, people need to, you know, definitely get them checked now and in the future. like i said, i don't think we'll see the true effects of this for a while, but as of the air, there's definitely a smell in the air. it can sort of take your breath away at times if you're right

next to the crick. as far as in the community, i think it depends where you're at, if you're by the scene where it happened, there's definitely an odor. >> have you been assured the ground water is not going to be contaminated. you talked about the creeks and local waterways have issues. we saw pictures of dead fish and water life in the creeks. have you been assured that that won't seep into the ground, the sprinkler systems that you end up using over time. >> there's no data there for that. they're working on it. the united states epa next week will do soil samples maybe as early as this weekend. the epa is taking samples out by the train derailment, to find how deep this goes into the ground. i saw that personally myself, but there's definitely a lot of answers we need. that is, you know, we're a

strong community. we are, you know, some areas are a rural community. people like to grow gardens. we're concerned about that. before anybody plants anything, they need to have the soil tested in the area is my opinion. >> has the federal government done enough to help you guys? >> that's a tricky one. yes, the federal epa, as far as the air monitoring, they have been here since, you know, i don't want to say day one, but within the next day. but, you know, as of hire in the federal government, i haven't seen much from them at all. >> when you say it's a tricky one to answer, help me understand why it's so tricky. >> so, you know, the federal epa has been here. i guess it really isn't that tricky. yes, the federal epa has been here as far as air monitoring, starting with soil samples, but other than that, we have nont

-- not seen any help from the federal government. >> fema said this is not their purview, they deal with natural disaster, building collapse, and this isn't really in their wheel house, is there something else that the federal government can provide that you want right now? >> i think if the president came, it would actually just -- it would be more harm than good. you know, there's a lot of security details that need to be around him, and, you know, ambulances following him, and i think it would be a burden on our residents, honestly. if he would like to come, i mean, i'm not going to stop him, but, you know, what we really need is we need people who are going to come here and do something for us, help us out, and if they're not not, we don't need anybody around here. >> and how are you doing, sir? >> i'm doing well. i have a great support system at home, and you know, everybody's been very supportive of me. this is an exhausting even, but,

you know, i'm in it for the long haul with our residents. i can imagine what your residents are going through too. we're here together. >> you said if you get near one of the cricks, you can definitely smell it in the air. have you experienced any of that burning in your eyes or your throat as some of the residents have said they experienced any unusual rashes, stuff like that? >> no, me personally, me and my awl my family haven't had any rashes or anything like that. i do live, you know, on the higher elevation of town. that could be a reason. you can definitely -- you know, it's very pungent down by the cricks, and some of our residents are showing signs and symptoms and that is very concerning to me. we need to get to the bottom of it. the state and the hhs, they're going to be coming in and setting up clinics and trying to get help for the residents.

>> this railroad had another derailment outside of detroit, i think it was yesterday. trent conway, the mayor of east palestine, thank you very much for calling in and doing this interview with us. we appreciate all of your hustle and your time spent out there trying to make things right for your residents. >> thank you, ma'am, i appreciate that. and pennsylvania senator john fetterman spent the night in the hospital, a close senior aide tells nbc news's dasha burns, they expect the senator to remain there for a few weeks, while they determine what medications and doses will work for his clinical depression. the staff and senator fetterman were taken by surprise of the severe onset of the depression that fetterman was struggling to adjust to a new reality and a new version of himself post advocate. wrestling with questions about his self-worth. the news of his illness was met with a flood of support from fetterman's colleagues on capitol hill and praise for the bravery it took to get help.

>> you know, somebody who comes from a family that has a long history of struggle with depression, i know, a, how common this is, but i also know how treatable it is, and i think what john has done is really courageous to step up and take care of himself. he's going to be an amazing united states senator but we all have to look out for our health first and foremost to be able to do the best job for our constituents here in d.c. and turning now to another classified document search. this time today in former vice president mike pence's d.c. office. according to pence's adviser, devin o'malley, doj officials searched the advancing american freedom office for several hours today. he said investigators did not find any new classified documents at that location. a person familiar with the matter tells nbc news, they did, however, take a binder with approximately three previously redacted documents inside it. those documents are believed to be from pence's 2020 debate

prep. that source says today's search was unrestricted and consensual. still ahead, an nbc news exclusive with vice president kamala harris. what she told andrea mitchell about the potential for her own 2024 presidential bid. and deeply unsettled, what a "new york times" columnist says happened when he spent two hours talking to an ai chat bottom. but first, what some fox news personalities who publicly supported the big lie said about donald trump's election fraud claims in private. the internal communications that were revealed in court filings.

mind blowingly nuts, completely bs, totally off the rails, the 2020 election is still being litigated not over

whether there was fraud at the ballot box but whether there were lies being purposely and maliciously spread about fraud at the ballot box. fox news has locked in a $1.6 billion defamation suit with dominion voting machines over what the network said privately while hosts were saying this publicly. >> if you're a trump voter and you suspect that this election was stolen, was rigged, you're on to something. and it's the tech companies above all that did it. >> i assume you're getting to the bottom of exactly what dominion is, who started dominion, how it can be manipulated if it is manipulated at all, and what evidence do you have to prove this? >> oh, yes, we are collecting evidence through a fire hose. >> companies called dominion voting, it's used in 28 states as reported by justthenews.com, several days ago came under fire after allegations that their

machines caused thousands of votes in one michigan county to be switched from donald trump to joe biden. >> the dominion software, i know there were voting irregularities, tell me about that. >> that's to put it mildly. >> i've never seen voting machines stop in the middle of an election. >> in a new court filing, dominion revealed internal communications between some of the network's biggest stars. sidney powell is lying, tucker carlson wrote to laura ingraham. sydney is a complete nut, no one will work with her. ditto to rudy. this is crazy stuff said rupert murdoch. dominion argues all of this and more shows that fox news not only knew the election was not stolen, but that the network lied about it to protect its ratings. joining me now is nbc news political report, jane tim, and "washington post" senior political reporter, eric post.

what have you found? >> everything that wasn't said. when we see sidney powell on the air, we know behind the scenes she was circulating supposed sourcing on this fraud from people who said they were internally decapitated and that scalia had been hunted and murdered not that he had died earlier that year. >> judge scalia had been hunted. >> in a hunting expedition, he had been intentionally killed. this was the information being circulated to fox news hosts and instead of reporting on the sourcing, this was forwarded to eric trump. the things are revelatory about what was going on and these internal communications are stunning, the idea that they were having this conversation in order to protect the viewership, to protect the base of people they wanted to be continuing to tune in despite joe biden's -- >> when did that turn? you have tucker carlson and

laura ingram, and rupert murdoch saying between each other, this is nuts, i'm paraphrasing, when did they pivot from those internal communications saying this is not nuts to we got to keep promoting this? >> you know, you see conversations where they say, well, the best minutes from yesterday's show, you know, we're getting backlash but the best minutes were when we focused on this. there was analysis being done at the highest level of fox news to see when people were changing the channel on fox news, and it was to watch sidney powell on other networks. >> when news max started getting higher viewership. >> and that was a big anxiety between people who were, you know, covering, overseeing prime time fox. >> this is alleged in a lawsuit filed by dominion, this defamation suit. i found it interesting that it wasn't just the conversations about sidney powell or rudy giuliani or even donald trump behind the scenes. it was conversations about their own reporters at fox, reporters

pushing back on some of these lies. some of the reports calling for the reporters to be fired. >> that was something that struck me reading through the filings. there are four instances in which one of these hosts or reporters, the hosts being the daytime hosts were fact checking or declining to run a press conference where various claims were being made in the case of neil, suggesting the claims that trump's team was making about dominion could lead to a lawsuit which has now proven to be the case. this was not welcomed. they were concerned about how this would impact their viewership. they regarded this as talking down to the people who were watching their shows, and i think that just reinforces that as this progressed, they realized that shows like the ones on newsmax were broadcasting these things even more uncritically, and that was leading to a boon in their ratings, and so there was this

kind of palpable fear that you see come through in this filing that there could be a paradigm shift in conservative media, and they were doing anything they could to prevent that from happening. >> how has fox news responded to these revelations? >> well, their argument is basically that these are cherry picked quotes. anytime you see a filing from one side in litigation, you know, that will be opened up, the things being slightly mischaracterized or misread, certainly, but if you look at the totality of it, look at the people regarding sidney powell, and rudy giuliani as being, you know, crazy and these theories as being crazy, and then those people being booked on fox news again later on i think, it really cuts to the issue of was fox news reckless, did it meet the standard, knowing something was false, necessarily or having a reckless disregard for the truth, and that's really what dominion was trying to show in the filing, and they have plenty of evidence through the

discovery process that will now be sorted through. >> a lot of this could be redacted and they could be unredacted soon. >> they don't merit, rise to the standard of something that should be left confidential, so i think we're going to see fox news have to defend against the claims and this information may welcome out. if those are the things foxments to keep secret from the explosive filing, i can't wait to see that. >> joining me now is former assistant district attorney for manhattan, and new york law school professor rebecca royfree, i want to ask you the question, from the filing can you make an argument that this was reckless and malicious. that's the standard to prove deaf -- defamation, that it was malicious, done with intention. >> defamation cases are notoriously hard to bring, and the first amendment almost puts political lies like this out of reach of litigation like this, so the question is, you know,

have we reached that limit here, and you know, as aaron and jane were both saying, there really is overwhelming evidence here, but fox will certainly launch, i think, a strong defense that, look, these were claims made by newsworthy people. they may say sidney powell is crazy but she was still the lawyer for the former president, and so putting her on tv doesn't amount to that, you know, malicious reckless disregard or knowing falsehood that is required by the law. so, you know, i think it still remains to be seen, but it really is a strong case and no matter how you look at it, the first amendment is there protecting journalists and assuming that journalists are acting, you know, in an ethical way. so at the very least is what these filings show is that is not the case. >> could this be a slippery slope? i know this might seem this is

very egregious. if dominion wins this defamation suit, could that have unseen ramifications for news organizations in general? >> absolutely. and that's why the first amendment is there, and i know there is so much pushback right now, and efforts to use litigation and other tools, legal tools, to get at disinformation. but the problem is there is a cost every time you do that. there's a chilling of legitimate speech, and in the political realm, it's especially important not to do that. journalists are so important in this regard. we don't want them to step away from that line out of fear of these lawsuits being brought. the court is going to have to balance those interests. >> thank you very much. and joining me is former rnc chairman, and msnbc political analyst, michael steele, and when we talk about the politics, newsmax was gaining viewership, and fox was losing viewership.

you can see the pivot when they started moving to the lies about the dominion voting machines. what has it done since then to the political discourse that's perpetuating dominion being a bad actor, and changing and flipping votes for joe biden? >> it's completely rotted out the system, undermined the credibility of those who work in the space, legitimate businesses, those who have tried to sort of balance the topsyturvy side of projecting campaigns and elections and, you know, doing all the things that a dominion would do to make sure that votes are counted, votes are protected, et cetera, on one side, there are other companies that they partner with that are a part of that process. so it has had a downstream negative impact on a lot of the integrity and credibility of

these businesses. so the fact that dominion has pushed back, is important, and the fact that they've now put this out on the street, and we're beginning to see a little bit behind the curtain is extremely important, and sort of doing two things. one, i remember requesting what a lot of us suspected in the first instance that this was all a bunch of bs, but also to what aaron was saying about the paradigm shift. the paradigm shift that we really see is that it's a shift from telling the truth to chasing a lie. because that's what fox was doing. it was chasing a lie, and they didn't want the lie to get away from it and go to newsmax, so it doubled down and anted up on it. that, i think, is going to be just as powerful a story about all of this as we see the impact as well. >> i think you can go back ten years before donald trump started running for office, and revelations like this about any

news organization, even fox news would be shocking. and they would be damaging. are they still damaging to have text messages or internal communications showing what tucker carlson really thought, what sean hannity really thought. what laura ingram really thought. what rupert murdoch really thought behind the scenes when they were saying something different on air or allowing their network to say something different on air, as the suit alleges? >> yeah, absolutely because guess what, we've already seen the evidence of it. the fox viewer, like, i can't believe you're putting this out here about donald trump. i'm going to newsmax, and so what did fox news do? they would continue to put and amplify more of that information while quietly -- >> so does it hurt their reputation now, though, is my question? does it eat into their credibility among the fervent viewers today? >> how are they doing? how are they doing?

i don't think fox news is reporting loss of revenue. advertisers are still there, right? the viewership is still up. they're still number one in the various, you know, wars that they have with the other cable shows, so you tell me. i mean, to me, the evidence is very clear. their audience likes this stuff. they want more of it. and fox has indicated it's prepared to feed more of it. now, they may put a, you know, it's like dressing up a big, you know, add little lipstick and blush, but maybe it's a pig, and it doesn't look any better, and that's their problem. now, if they lose the suit and they're slammed with, you know, a billion dollar plus, you know, in damages, we'll see does it alter their behavior certainly as a warning shot for a lot of other folks who don't want to go into that room. but fox is coming at this from a very different perspective. what have they paid so far other

than, oh, bad publicity, revelations out today, and a lawsuit. their viewers are still there with them and at the end of the day, that's the end of the game. that's the games right there for them. >> a billion dollars is a lot of money. michael steele. >> what's the revenue that offsets that billion dollars? >> that's a very good point. michael steele, thank you very much. we'll wait and see what happens. we'll have you back on to talk about it. coming up, what happened when russian president vladimir putin hosted his neighbor and ally, the president of belarus, aleksandr lukashenko. andrea mitchell sat down for an exclusive interview, with vice president kamala harris. what she said about what will happen with u.s. support for ukraine. ppen with u.s. support r ukraine. power e*trade's award-winning trading app makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools, and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are.

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nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell sat down for an

exclusive one on one with kamala harris, addressing china relations and the war in ukraine, along with questions about what will happen to her in 2024. >> you've obviously ran for president in 2020, you want to be president, do you still want to be president some day? >> joe biden has said he intended to run for reelection as president, and i intend to run with him as vice president of the united states. >> intend is doing a lot of work there. joining me now from munich is nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell. you talked about a lot with the vice president. what else can you tell us about the conversation? >> reporter: well, she is strongly defending the president's position, of course, on the china balloon incident, against bipartisan criticism that that balloon should have been taken down before it crossed the entire united states. and as well as the decision to shoot down three completely nonthreatening balloons without even knowing what they were, so we talked about that.

and about the importance, also, of reestablishing relations with china that even military to military contacts are not going through, that china has been refusing calls from our defense secretary, but that is dangerous. we even had military to military contacts during the cold war with the soviet union. they know that's important. she certainly signalled they're trying to reestablish relations and reduce the tensions, and there is the possibility that there might be contact here in munich this weekend. secretary of state is here, the vice president is here. and china's top diplomat, is also here. there could be context, they're not ruling that out. pointing to the possibility that china would pull back in the last moment. that would set up what the president expects to be a conversation, a call with him and president xi of china, and we would try to get things back to normal, how important that relationship is. the key focus in munich is

ukraine. a global intention to stand tall against russia. for the first time russia was not invited to this conference: the vice president is here, secretary of state, macron, sholz, president zelenskyy spoke to them virtually today and talked about the importance of getting the weapons, and getting the ammo to them quickly. he needs it by march to push back on this russian offensive, and also it rally the world and america. there's a large bipartisan delegation here, 60 members, the largest that has attended the security conference, with support slipping back home. we asked her about that. >> as evidenced by the fact that we have sent military support ranging from stingers to javelins to himars to most recently our commitment to abram

tanks, we will continue to do the work that i'm doing here in munich of working directly with our allies including germany, our host, who by the way, chancellor scholz should be thanked for what germany has done to step up in its involvement in the military security peace. we will continue to work with allies around the globe. >> and another big focus here, katy is going to be war crimes. holding vladimir putin responsible for the atrocities, for the fact that more than 6,000 children have been taken from orphanages and their homes, taken from their parents to russian held territories and themselves, sent to reeducation camps, destroying the culture of the country, taking their young people, and that's all part of the war crimes, and as a former prosecutor, harris is totally devoted to leading that charge. there are people here, the deputy attorney general, lisa

monaco, we'll be talking to her tomorrow. there's a big focus on more crimes. and russian president vladimir putin hosted aleksandr lukashenko, his belarusian counter part for a meeting at president putin's home. there the two leaders discussed the possibility of expanding both military and economic coordination amid the ongoing war in ukraine. joining me now from moscow is nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons, keir, what can you tell us about this meeting? >> reporter: look, the tectonic plate of diplomacy, this is a meeting between close partners, belarus and russia. aleksandr lukashenko owes his presidency to president putin. when there were people in the streets in belarus, back in 2020, so they are very close. lukashenko is saying that he might be able to kind of help bring negotiations about, frankly that doesn't seem very likely. i'll tell you why.

because to be honest, being here in russia, it's clear that people are really kind of hunkered down, if you like, for potentially a long war. the polling that there is suggests there is a lot of support for president putin, and people think russia is going in the right direction. i will tell you this, one russian who i met here just today who i know told me of getting a text message just this morning, being told his friend's son had died in ukraine, and the pain of that. but at the same time, saying don't assume that that necessarily means that that family is going to shift away from supporting president putin. actually, it may cement their support for president putin and make them more angry towards ukraine. so, i mean, we are seeing ever changing evens, life changing events for everybody, not just those on the battlefield of ukraine, and i think one of the examples of that would be wang yi, who andrea mentioned, china's top diplomat will be in

moscow next week, china trying to figure out what to do as europe is unhappy with china, but at the same time has this partnership with russia. it is three dimensional chess. >> keir simmons in moscow. and coming up, i'm not bing, i'm siz sydney, you're married but you want me. you're married but you need me. what a "new york times" columnist says happened when he pushed microsoft's new ai chat bot and why it left him so disturbed he couldn't sleep. leo disturbed he couldn't sleep.

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life in the year 2023. but it is starring. microsoft's new chatbot engine powered by open ai is only in testing right now, but a small group of viewers who have access to it found the chat bot unnerving to put it mildly. "new york times" technology correspondent wrote about it, i'm not exaggerating when i say my two-hour conversation with the chatbot who requested to be called sydney was the strangest experience i have ever had with a piece of technology. it unsettled me so deeply that i had trouble sleeping afterward. joining me now is kevin ruse. i'm hoping you've gotten some sleep since you've written that, had that experience. can you just lay out why it was so disturbing and what you were doing with this chatbot? >> yeah, so i spent about two hours the other night talking with this bing chatbot that's been built into this microsoft search engine. and it was a wide ranging

conversation on many topics, but it included some very disturbing parts. bing, or sydney, as it asked me to call it, you know, confessed to dark fantasies and violent imaginations, said that it wanted to be able to hack computers and spread misinformation propaganda and then seemingly out of nowhere halfway through the conversation it confessed that it would in love with me, and that it wanted to be with me, and that i should not only be with it, but that i should leave my wife and be with it. >> so you pushed this chatbot to be its shadow self, and i can't really explain -- explain shadow self to me before we get into anything else. >> sure. it's a concept from psychology that basically means the part of our psyche where all of our dark designers and fantasies are held, the part that we sort of seek to hide from the world. >> so you pushed it to be its

shadow self and that's when you got all of this weird and disturbing stuff, i wonder, obviously this hasn't been rolled out to the public. you're testing it, and microsoft says this is good, we're going to create guardrails, but my concern about this is if you are somebody who wants to be convinced to do something terrible to yourself or others, could you theoretically push this chatbot far enough to help convince you to do that. is that the real concern here? >> yeah, that's certainly one of them. i mean, before this encounter i had concerns about this ai search engine, right, because we have seen in testing that it's not always factually accurate, that it sometimes gives people the wrong facts and there is danger in that certainly, especially if you're using it for searching for information about a medication or something, but this new category of worry that i have since this conversation is exactly that. it's that users will be manipulated, that the ai even

though it's not sentient, it doesn't have feelings or emotions, but that it will mimic human confers so persuasively that it could convince people to do harmful and dangerous things. >> can microsoft or any technology company adequately put guardrails in place that can prevent this? can they prevent people from pushing it too far when you're also developing a technology that's supposed to, in essence, think for itself? >> well, they certainly can. i think the question is whether they will. and the question is also who else is going to develop this kind of technology and what decisions will they make about the guardrails and boundaries of the ai models because this is not just microsoft. microsoft is, you know, sort of, you know, out front right now with this bing open ai integration, but lots of other companies are developing similar technology and so i think there's a real problem in the ai

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