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with jonathan capehart. and ali velshi at ten. from all of our colleagues across msnbc news, thank you so much for staying up late. see you this weekend! >> america is not past our prime, it's just our politicians are past there's. our best days are yet to come if we unite and fight to save
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our country. when i look to the future, i see america strong once more. and the america i see, the permanent politician will finally retire. and mandatory mental competency test for politicians over 75 years old. >> good morning, happy saturday morning. good morning micah, happy saturday. >> i love saturdays, you bring me my coffee. >> i do, and we're probably watching this right now while you're drinking coffee that i get for you. >> it's delicious. >> she literally pushes me out a bed at 5:30 -- >> okay, okay, that's a little much. people don't want that mental image. okay. >> it's her saturday morning routine. and your saturday morning routine of course is watching morning joe weekend. it's saturday february 18th, former south carolina governor nikki haley officially kicked off her candidacy this week at
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an event in charleston on wednesday. in his speech she said, there should be mental competency test for politicians older than 75. micah, that was kind of a dig at president biden, wasn't it? would you say? >> yes, he's 80, but also maybe a dig at president trump who 76. she's the first republican to challenge president trump for the nomination, so there was plenty to talk about here on the show thursday morning. >> so joe, she said a lot of things republicans want to hear, a lot of it was very trumpy, also the mental competency test, we could've used on the last administration age aside. >> well yeah, i mean you have some donald trump cabinet members talking about the 25th amendment, debating whether they were gonna have to implement it. >> it wasn't a joke. >> no it wasn't a joke, it was deadly serious. of course, she would never
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bring that up in her speech. >> so you know, it was you know, it was a good enough launch in 2008, or 2012. but here we are in the middle of the age of trump and the new york times has a story about republican candidates afraid to mention donald trump's name. he's like lord voldemort, the name that shall not be mentioned. [laughter] you have to mention voldemort's name, you have to go after him. if you want to defeat him. and they're doing the same thing with donald trump. they're just not going to do it. so when they give this speech as if it's 2008 or 2012, everybody in the room is just sitting there, waiting. the 800 pound elephant in the room. >> right. >> that will always be donald trump until someone takes him on and beats him.
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>> joe, you know i've been on the same page on that point for a long time now leading up to this election. that all of this fight and fury, and i can take on a bully and all this other stuff is just silly until you actually do it. because that is the test. no one is interested in your three point plan, no one's interested in your haranguing about the state of the country until we know you are actually prepared to, and have the ability, to take down trump. if you can't mention the man's name, you can't take him down. it sounds good that you can beat up a bully until the bully is right in front of you, then what are you going to do? what do you think will happen one donald trump lights the stage and rip to a new one? what's your response going to be? are you going to ignore it? no, you're gonna have to engage if you want to be president. so i put it this way. none of these individuals on any list of any board that we
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put up with the picture is going to make it through this gauntlet unless they're prepared to lose their primary. meaning, they're willing to put everything in it to become president. and everything requires that they take on trump directly. and none of these people, not one, zero, are going to do it. they're just not. a lot of bluster, a lot of noise, a lot of hot air signifying nothing, a lot of crazy plans like we're going to somehow get mental acuity test to 75-year-old politicians. who is going to do that? are you calling for the government now to insert itself in this process in a way that's going to take some politician into a closet and see if he's smart enough to continue at the job? i mean this is the kind of silliness that we're going to be seeing coming out of these candidates as deflections. because they don't want to deal with a thing in front of them. that's wrong to santas, nikki haley, tim scott, all of them.
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until they do, america's gonna sit back and yang at their campaign. >> so jonathan lemay, or we have a case in that very point last night. nikki haley was on with sean hannity, sean asked several times, where do you differ from donald trump on policy, where do you defer. give me a couple areas that you differ. she wouldn't answer the question. he said i'm gonna try one more time, and she said look sean, i don't kick sideways, i'm kicking forward or something like that. she said i'm running against joe biden. >> well absolutely that's not true, first you're running against donald trump before you get to joe biden. >> even on the day of her campaign launch, there's still no good answer to that question. >> and she's had months and months to prepare for that question. because of course, yes you might get to face joe biden eventually, he is the final, bosco plenty of people to get through first. and trump most of all. and it is going to be -- for all republicans -- this delicate dance of where you need to try and differentiate yourself from
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trump, without drawing the wrath of the former president himself or his supporters, who of course you need. you need to at least siphon off some of them in order to be a viable candidate for the republican nominee. if there is a mental acuity test, i hope, let's remember, donald trump says he's already passed one -- remember those five words? person, woman, man, camera, tv. so trump's got that down. we'll see if anyone else can do it. but let's weigh in if you will about this dilemma. does it remind you of one we've seen before, where they're such an overwhelming favorite in the political party? from a historical perspective, where others need to be able to knock him or her down, but also somehow when his or her supporters? >> sure, anytime you're running against a former person you and up, particularly someone you served. >> you have to thread a needle. but you know, all of this is an analog conversation.
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right? this is like talking about atari. this is a pre-trump conversation about american politics. another story we're talking about is the story of insurrection, and whether the vice president of the united states who stood between us in the abyss is going to testify about that. it's not as eleanor roosevelt said in 1940, it's not an ordinary time. and so i think if the republican party, and i'm not a republican, i'm not a democrat, but in so far as a historical matter, we need two functioning parties that have an allegiance to the constitution. that's the central question for anyone who wants to be president on the republican side. are you going to try to treat the unconstitutional nature of trumpism as a problem that must be eradicated. or are you just gonna tiptoe around it?
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>> right, right, that's the bottom line. >> there is a lot of established republicans, i'm sure joe talks them all the time, who i think have this vision that somehow, musical brigadoon, the city that only came down once every hundred years or so? it's a generational allusion john. they had this vision that there's a post trump world that's gonna come one day. and there are now normal people, they're a ei republicans running, so they're like okay, we have some people now have been to a heritage seminar. so it's gonna be okay. i don't know if it's gonna be okay. >> right. >> it just takes 30, 35%. and the polls have been consistently wrong now for years. for various technical reasons. i don't think we're through this. and it's an american question, not a partisan one.
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and whether it's the governor, former governor south carolina, or the former secretary of state, whoever it is, i think the person who's going to breakthrough here has to breakthrough for the country, which might kill you and the party. you need mitt romney. >> yeah. >> as opposed to one of these sort of sub trump's. and you wouldn't get that. but if you want -- if you want this experiment to keep going, we need that. >> coming up we'll discuss another likely 2024 contender, florida governor ron desantis. reverend or -- ongoing attack on the teaching of american history. american history. ♪♪ we all have a purpose in life - a “why.” maybe it's perfecting that special place that you want to keep in the family... ...or passing down the family business... ...or giving back to the places that inspire you.
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education, the border of education that kicked off in
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1954, that inspired rosa parks to sit down a year later in 1955. if you would study history governor, you would known to mess with us and education. [applause] you talk about florida's where work dies. we went from woke to work. what we will -- on you desantis, until we -- >> reverend al sharpton was in florida friday, where he was joined by civil rights activists to talk about ron desantis -- an african american studies. desantis has shown no signs of backing away from the college board controversy. and now wants to explore ways for florida to avoid doing business with the nonprofit all together.
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i asked reverend al sharpton what he learned from that rally. >> what i learned is that people are genuinely incensed by what the governor is doing. because for the governor and the college board to decide to say what part of black history is comfortable to floridians, basically white floridians, is as defensive as you can get. there are not limiting just block studies, but lgbtq rights, as well as women. we're talking about, and you have -- here, we're talking about a period where we have history of this. where you must remember one of the most effective ways of dehumanizing blacks in slavery was it was against the law to read and write, then it was against law for ways to teach
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us. so education was always something we always saw as are key to coming out of being enslaved. because our ability to read and write, now you're gonna limit what we can write? in ap classes? like people won't be able to handle watching movements like the civil rights movement, like black lives matter movement, like lgbtq rights. it's not to condemn our country but know how our country involved. we need to know how we went from slavery to electing barack obama. to try and eliminate that is un-american as much as it is racist. >> i'll leave the importance of -- to jon meacham, governor santos's office yesterday in the wake of this event, how concerned are you of other states following his lead? >> there was no engagement, and there is a couple thousand people there. every elected official just
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about in the lac caucus and latinos in the state legislation there. in every major pastor from all over. no engagement. he wasn't looking for it. because i think he's playing petty politics as the social philosopher joe scarborough says, he's a day trader. he's not looking at now, he's looking at history. he wants to be baby trump. he's gonna use race like trump did. don't forget, the entry of donald trump was birtherism. he's baby trump. i'm gonna use this against blacks. i'm going to use this against migrants. maybe trump fits him. he's a miniature trump trying to be like daddy, and daddy spanx him, they have a little inside fight, a little family fight, it's the same thing. i think the fear though that you raise, is that if he can get away with this, and cement this in florida, it will be
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used in other states. because he's basically trying to do a statewide movement. we're, deciding we're deciding in the state who gets an abortion, how education goes, and the whole civil rights movement was against -- right. we need federal protection against state servant. >> one of the remarkable things i think about when this debate comes up is john louis is born in a segregated alabama in 1940, he cannot vote until 1966, 1968, parents can't vote he is buried from lincoln's -- in the capital of the united states. he goes from not seeing a white person, except for the mailman, until least 14 years old. to now being honored as a statement of the republic. that story itself is the country. it's not that the struggle is
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over, but if you can't engage the complexity of history, then we can't become a more perfect union. because if we do not know what these forces are -- and they are perennial, it's about obtaining these forces, managing and marshaling them. >> that's right. >> because we're sinful, and fallen, and frail. the american story is really just enough of the right thing at the right moment to push us forward. >> right. >> and that's a hugely important story. and is a political? absolutely. but politics is about people, and if we don't create a habit of heart and mind where we engage this, then the experiment is in terrible shape. >> coming, up our conversation with the oscar nominee director of one of the most important documentaries of the year. the fame called a house made of
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ukraine reaches the one year mark next week, this morning we're taking a look at the stunningly brutal yet tragically beautiful academy award nominated documentary, entitled a house made of splinters to. the film follows the lives of four ukrainian children during their time in a temporary orphanage in the eastern part of the country. as the adult caring for them try to create a safe space, not far from the front lines of the war, that is raging with russia. [speaking non-english]
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[speaking non-english] >> joining us now, the documentaries director and award-winning filmmaker simon lereng wilmont and the films producer daria basil. thank you both very much for joining us this morning. i want to start, simon, if you can just frame what you did here with eva, sasha, and -- . and what were you trying to
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accomplish for the viewer of this documentary? >> well, i follow the life for roughly one and a half years, where i would come there every second month to follow up on the kids lives, and what was happening in their lives. and it was all to try and document the less visible, but no less hard consequences that having a war going on in your backyard has on a civil society. and in the end, it's always the kids that suffer the most. but more importantly, i also wanted to show kids almost magical ability to adapt and survive, and reach for the good things in life. you know, connecting, seeking love, no matter how tragic the circumstances there in. >> well played, we're watching these children, i guess one of them is talking to their mother. darria, explain to us what these children were going through, the types of trauma they were dealing with, and
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also how you, how you approached them. obviously not wanting to traumatize an even more. >> well so, basically those are the children who lived very close to the front line. and they all come from very unsecure social backgrounds so they all have troubled families, troubled parents, but they were lucky to get into this very special orphanage, very special place. this is where social workers are kind, caring, and they do really care about children, and they're trying to help them. of course, all these children they went, and are still going through many psychological traumas. for instance, when we are working on this film, we worked also with psychologist who worked with the children. and actually, this work was thanks to our team, and thanks
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to an assistant director, who also started a special fund called voices of children. this fund is helping many children right now in ukraine. >> so we have a clip from the documentary, some of the children receive a phone call from their mother. let's watch so we can hear. it take a look. [speaking non-english] >> simon, what is going on
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there, where is his mother, it's so sweet in many ways. but it's so sad. >> yes, him in his two younger siblings have been brought to the shelter because the police and social workers feel that the mom is not able to take care of them. but there is -- they don't -- they don't contact with the mother because they want to give her a chance to redeem herself, or to better herself. to do something about the alcoholism and the situation that she isn't. that's why they allow the kids to keep contact with their parents for as long as they can. this is until they have to make a decision, and their case. >> darya, good morning, such a powerful film and difficult at times to watch. i know one which the production is trying to proceed with as much sensitivity as possible, these are children after all,
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so darya, tell us how that process went about. how did you earn their trust, how did you decide what you would film and what you would not as these children are going through such traumas on their own. >> well actually i think that simon can better comment on that. because i wasn't onset, it was only simon in his assistant, and they did all of this magic. >> i think that's probably touching on one of the reasons why we could get this close, is i do my own cinematography, so it's only me and my brilliant assistant and director who was at the house. we spent a huge amount of time just hanging out with the kids, listening to their stories, their hopes, their dreams, and their fears. and trying to get to know them on a deeper level, and in some ways, to be friend them also so we could be some sort of welcome distraction in their lives. so at one point, obviously you grow close to each other, we
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grew close to each other, and some mutual trust is the most important thing in doing a documentary like this. so when the more, you know raw and emotional situations arise, i think the kids are okay for us to be there, because we're more of a support than just somebody there to film their lives so to speak. >> the film is entitled a house made of splinters, my thanks to simon lereng wilmont and darya bassel. we'll be back in just a moment. be back in just a moment ple think they're open. surprise. [ laughs ] [ horn honks, muffled talking ] -can't hear you, jerry. -sorry. uh, yeah, can we get a system where when someone's bike is in the shop, then we could borrow someone else's? -no! -no! or you can get a quote with america's number-one motorcycle insurer and maybe save some money while you're at it. all in favor of that. [ horn honking ] there's a lot of buttons and knobs in here.
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amid a live succession drama. that is the daily beast description of the bombshell book unscripted, the epic battle for a media empire and the redstone family legacy. to the just released book sheds new light on the shocking drama that played out behind the scenes at the paramount media empire just a few short years ago. unscripted is an account by new york times journalist james be stewart, and rachel abrams. media titan's -- final years. the washington post described it this way, on script it is a fly on the wall account of the extraordinary boardroom machinations, that led sherrie redstone, the often estranged daughter of geriatric mogul -- respite controllable cbsn viacom from the executive,
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girlfriends, and others who circled him in his final years. >> the new york times calls it a chronicle of corporate greed, manipulation, misogyny, and sexual impropriety on a spectacular scale. that almost brought down paramount global. and the coauthors of unscripted join us now. wow, wow, wow. i don't even know where to begin. >> rachel, what's the most, the biggest takeaway in terms of this family? and the position that cherry red stone incident? >> ultimately, this is a family drama at its heart. if you like succession, you will like this book it's about people in universal themes, and it's about a woman succeeding against all odds in a very sexes. >> it, is it's a difficult position that she's been in the media world, it's gone through
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a lot of changes over the last few decades. but she was in the middle of it. , what do you think your biggest, most shocking revelation in this book as you are doing the research on it. >> there are plenty of them, i'm so happy i had a coauthor and call each other back and forth and say can you believe this? the fact of the two women who moved into the house made off with more than 100 and $50 million was pretty stop shocking. as rachel said, the level of sexism and misogyny after -- >> examples? >> the cbs port. the tax, the emails we got that shows what they said, he said sexual assault allegations he says what's the big deal? quote, we all did that. this is in the boardroom after all of these revelations. i remember talking before he died, and him saying, why are they making such a big deal about this? it was incredible that shari redstone came into a male shark
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tank, the media world, which had not changed all that much despite all the allegations. >> rachel, you have a two page spread -- this is advertising you can buy certainly, those of this table know these names, but tell the viewers at home why they're such titanic future. >> the red storm family is one of the most important families in american media for the past century. at one point, paramount and viacom, we're talking about brands everyone has heard of. it's nickelodeon, it's paramount, it's cbs. it's the brands and companies that shape the shows that we watch, and the culture that we live in. this is a multi billion dollar empire, so the stakes, again, with his family drama were really high. >> my god. >> and -- downfall, james, talk to us about what brought that about, and also the ripple effects that the industry is still feeling. >> less mendez was proclaimed by the hollywood reporter as
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the most important person in the -- he brought cbs from the last place to first, he had the golden, touch everyone loved him. but he had these dark secrets in his past. really shocking examples of sexual impropriety and assault on women. and that he nonetheless what launched a civil war in the boardroom, attacking shari redstone and the redstone family, trying to strip them of their control. knowing that this was gonna come out, that was one of the big mysteries that we looked into. ultimately, his efforts failed on a spectacular level when women came forward. we have new revelations about other things the board learned. that led to his downfall, including trying to cover it up, lying about it, a covering under the pressure of a hollywood manager who was trying to keep his client quiet. it's really quite a drama. in so many of these cases, the cover-up in many ways was worse. the board was, saying these things all happened years ago, they would really care about
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that, but then the, line the cover-up, and then some new revelations of more recent things finally did him in. >> like what? >> well -- there's this incredible scene where he has an early morning appointment with his diabetes doctor. they open up the thing for him. he comes into the room, how much of this can i say? >> i don't know, i don't know. >> his pants come down, and something else comes out, and i'll leave you there. >> i think we're good. >> you walked into that one. >> you know what, i walked into that one. >> how about this one? here's a shocker. he had an employee at cbs, working outside his office, part of his job was to administer oral sex in the office. >> okay, so rachel. what do you think, do you think -- back on this company moving forward, given the revelations in this book? >> i think all companies have gotten much better at managing pr crises, i'm left confident
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militants entered the executive mansion in the nation's capital and killed the country's president. the coup and the new era of military rule that followed shaped his thinking about how political systems work. colin's fled the civil war in his native liberia for the united states, making a home in montana. after years of serving in the army national guard, he ran for mayor of helena in 2017, and defeated a four term incumbent, becoming the first black mayor in any city in montana since the state joined the union. now, he is serving his second term in office, which he won overwhelmingly. mayor wilma collins joins us now. mister mayor, is so great to have you on the show and so much to talk to you about, but i want to start with your personal story. we sketched it out in broad terms there, but what gave you the courage to leave home and come to america, and how did you end up in montana? >> well, thanks for having me, will.
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the war in liberia was terrible. and to survive, we decided we had to, because we had lost eye, had lost two brothers already. and i didn't want to be the third one. so, my fiancée and myself at the time decided to flee the country. we fled on a nigerian vessel into ghana, and there, we contacted her family, her host family. my wife was an exchange student, and she lived in montana. when she was an exchange students, after she graduated high school, she went back to liberia. that's when we met. so, we fled liberia, she contacted her host family she had lived with in montana. they were more than willing to bring us over, to help us, but that wasn't easy. >> no, i can't imagine it was
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easy. that's what's going to ask you, mister mayor. what was the plan? you've got out of liberia. that was a feat unto itself. now, if landed in a completely foreign land for you, anyway, in the united states and in montana. what was the plan and how did you begin to make a life for yourself here? >> we didn't have a plan when we were fleeing. the only plan we had, really, was we were going to go to and english speaking country, and we realized ghana was an english speaking country, so, we landed in ghana. when everything had cleared, for us to go to montana, i didn't know what to expect. as a matter of fact, when our host parents were telling me about the weather, i told them they were crazy. nobody lives in the refrigerator, because back home, the average temperature is 85. so, i have lived here for a while. i was retired from the military when my son decided to redirect my life. he came home, told me dad, this
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is the right time to do this. i think you should get involved in politics. i was totally caught off guard. i was like, quote, slow down. i don't know anything about american politics. he said, this is the right time to do it. >> mayor colin, it is -- with axios. thanks to joining us this morning. it's good to see you. i appreciate you walking us through how your friends and you thought it was feet to run, and it sounds like you, of course, pulled it off. it couldn't have always been easy. i wonder if you could speak to us a bit about any skepticism or collections about your electability or your chances to lead in a state like montana, being a black man, running for a seat that has not been held by one. >> and that's what i told my son, in fact, the first thing i did was i did that to him. i said man, you've got to be looking at this when you want me to do this. but that's i had this for myself! i didn't think i could do it, but what really geared up my
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team was the fact that after the first quarter reporting, i realized i had outraced the incumbent, and i call the team together and said guys, this is serious. we have to wear faithfulness! we've got to turn this thing around! so, that is when we really got into gear and started this whole process. >> that mayor of helena, montana, just an extraordinary story and example of the beauty of chasing the dream here in america. wilmot colin, thank you so much. i know we will hear more from you in years ahead. thank you so much, we appreciate it. >> thanks, willie. i appreciate that. coming up next, and the award winning actor billy crouton joins us for a look at his new project. just coming right back. just coming right back get help reaching your goals with j.p. morgan wealth plan, a new tool in the chase mobile® app. use it to set and track your goals, big and small...
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buying what he's selling. >> i believe that he believes he is selling hope. he believes that if you can organize a product, or principle, or an idea for the right price, that doesn't take the person too far down the rabbit hole, and lifts their spirits for just a moment, that that's an honest way to make a living, and an honest way to get through the day. >> does he have a reckoning at some point where he says okay, maybe i am misleading some of these people? but i'm gonna keep going? >> for sure. i think there are some material things you'll find out throughout the show that are factual, that in fact, the truth in there is what he is selling. the hope, the potential of it, the future of a brighter tomorrow. and how can you not say that's true or not true? that's an idea. that's something that people can get excited about. and the actual time shares themselves, and whether or not, i mean how many times have you seen a hotel online. and you go there, and it
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doesn't quite look like it did online. it doesn't sell exactly like it thought it might online. this is a feature of the salesmanship mentality. our country does it beautifully and poetically. >> exactly, this is about so much more than showing time shares. there's some politics you can see in here, there is religion, it's all about selling a vision of the future that will be better than the one who's here. >> that's how i thought of him to, and evangelist in a, way evangelist for capitalism, for the american dream. and we have that in the fabric of our society the way that we talk about. in fact, president biden during his state of the union address, i think he said he was trying to describe one of the features of america, and the word he came up with was possibilities. and that has everything to do with the future, and nothing to do with the president in some ways. you know, it has amid a way of managing the practical parts being alive and daily struggle. but it's really about what can we reach for. and i do think that's a fundamental principle of america that makes for great tv show. >> so pitching that help, those
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possibilities, for usual pond a familiar character. your own father. you've said -- >> i did. >> your own dad reminded you, and you drew inspiration from this role. i'll to give a place on the moon, but beyond, that how did you invoke him? >> my dad was convinced in a better tomorrow. he was dissatisfied with himself in the day. my mom was the one who held it all together for us. she's watching right now, hi mom. >> hi mom. >> she is the one on the ground doing the real work day today, my dad was the one who is off dreaming. lucas jensen, the guys who wrote this, they had to work word for it called jackpot-itis, i gambling mentality that your better futures around tomorrow. if i win the lottery, if i invent a pet rock, inflatable ice chess, had umbrellas, my dad was always looking for a pet rock. always hoping that there is gonna be one thing that was
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gonna make him the big shot that he always wanted to be. and i think that, i think he inherited that from his father, i think his father impressed upon him you're nothing unless you come back here a major success. we have a lot of that our country. it's that thing of my number's about to come in. >> my number is about to commit. and even hoping for that number, it does make your day a little brighter. but when it comes in, it's not always what it seems. >> that was billy crudup on the show earlier this week. hello tomorrow! is now streaming on apple tv+, and that does it for morning joe weekend on this saturday morning joe is back on monday at 6 am eastern. have a wonderful rest of the weekend. t of the weekend. >> this is the katie phang show live from new york city. we've got lots of news to cover and lots of questions to answer, , so let's get started.

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