>> good morning. it is savvy wary, february the 18th. welcome to our new home at 10 am eastern. our show is celebrating three years on the air this weekend. we thank you for watching us this and every weekend. i'm ali velshi. as you could see, i'm not in new york. i'm in kyiv, the capital of

ukraine. it is 5 pm. it's been nearly one year since russia's unprovoked invasion of this country. i was in ukraine last spring, in lviv, in the west of the country. i am back now to see what's changed, what's stayed the same, and what is next for this war and for this country, and for the global fight for democracy. the ukrainians what the rest of the world to know it's a critical part of this fight. one thing that remains the same as russia continues to rain terror from the skies in the form of missiles, rockets, airstrikes, and drones, both near the battlefield in the east and in places far from the front. in places like lviv, and right here in the capital, kyiv. it is something that is very evident. the air raid sirens have become a part of everyday life here. there have been multiple air raid sirens each day, and while most ukrainians have come to live with them, they hear, they acknowledge, them and they largely continue on with their day. for my team and me on the ground, if an air raid siren does go off during the show, we will need to immediately leave this location. to a more secure place. if and when that does happen,

my friend and colleague, alex witt, is standing by in new york to pick up our coverage until i am set unsafe to rejoin you. something else evident, no matter who you talk to in ukraine, while much of the west views this as nearing the one year anniversary of russia's invasion, ukrainians consider this to be almost the ninth year. in february of 2014, russia invaded crimea. illegally annexed the peninsula, and then in april of that year, russia invaded donbas in eastern ukraine, where world war i style trench and tank warfare has technically been going on ever since. right now, that fighting is focused on the front in the east not far from where it was, back in 2014. it is presently centered around the town of bakhmut, where president zelenskyy mentioned during his address to congress. it's a now ruinous city which has been bloody fighting over the past several months. despite tremendous losses in the battle for bakhmut, particularly russia, which has been trying and failing to

capture the city for months. that city holds only slight military significance. it holds far more political importance, as well as -- especially for vladimir putin, as it would be the first significant gain of any kind for russia since last summer. now, despite ongoing reports that russia may be on the verge of capturing that city, the head of the russian aligned wagner mercenary group, yevgeny prigozhin, says that is not the case, telling russian military bloggers he doesn't expect the city to fall before march or april. wagner group, as we've discussed, is essentially a private melissa force for higher under russian control. prigozhin is a prominent pro-putin figure, but prigozhin has been outspoken with critics about how the kremlin and the russian military have performed in ukraine. all of talking up any minimal gains made by his own once wanted wagner forces. schism's have begun to form between wagner and the kremlin, according to u.s. officials. wagner forces have been doing

much of the fighting for russia in and around bakhmut, and pulling a brutal strategy of sending more and more men to die, mainly untrained and the newly recruited russian convicts, in order to make small gains. the british ministry of defense even estimates that the wagner's casualty right maybe as high as 50%, which is what happens when you send poorly trained troops to fight a war they don't care about or bill even against a people who are fighting for their lands and their democracy. the white house said late friday that wagner has suffered 30,000 casualties, including about 9000 deaths out of the roughly 50,000 troops under their command. overall, russia has suffered catastrophically from this invasion, with the chair of the u.s. joint chiefs of staff, general mark milley, revealing near the end of january that the united states estimates that russia has suffered quote, significantly well over 100,000 casualties. on friday, that british defense ministry says that russia has quote, likely suffered up to

200,000 casualties, including as many as 60,000 deaths. that british defense secretary said on the bbc this week that nearly two thirds of russia's tanks have been destroyed or broken, like these you see behind me. russia's combat effectiveness has continuously been depleted by 40%. listen to this. 97% of the whole russian army is in ukraine! these are staggering figures. ukraine, though, also continues to suffer serious losses, both soldiers and civilians. norway's defense chief revealing at the end of january, estimates that ukraine has suffered at least 100,000 casualties, along with 30,000 civilly in-depth's. all this for a country that didn't want this war, but will fight it to the brutal and. while russia continues to suffer tremendously while trying to capture bakhmut, and other areas along the front lines, ukraine is using a significant amount of ammunition and other military assets in order to keep the russian forces at bay and to

inflict those losses on the russian army. this comes as the u.s. is expected to announce another large military aid package for ukraine, a current senior u.s. official and a former senior u.s. official tell nbc news, in addition to potentially ten billion dollars in aid to help the ukrainian government function, those officials added both of those announcements are meant to coincide with president biden's trip to poland earlier this coming week, to mark the coming year, or should i say, almost nine year, anniversary of this war. but something not expected to be included in the new eight or in any immediate future aid is ukraine's long desired request for fighter jets. especially f-16s. as i mentioned that the top, i am able to make gains of significance on the ground, russia is able to deploy a brutal and barbaric strategy of attacking civilians and civilian infrastructure from the sky. trying to destroy the ukrainian peoples will and resolve, using attacks that are meant to do nothing but invoke terror. it is another russian strategy

that continues to fail in its attempt to break the will of the ukrainian people. however, it is succeeding in causing death and destruction. that threat is why ukraine continues to request help, keeping its skies safe. earlier this week, i visited 16 year old nausea, who you will recall, i met while recording for police last year. she entered mother have left the country as refugees. we have more of this incredible young woman's story in the show in next week's show, but there is one story that has stuck with me. it was on my team and i left, she gave us a hug like you did a year ago. something is different this year. as we've said our goodbyes, telling her to be safe, she responded quote, may your skies be safe. our young friends wish for us, as americans, it's something that she knows it's not true for her. joining me now is the admiral -- the former supreme allied commander at nato. he is msnbc's chief international security and diplomacy analyst.

use the offer of multiple important books, including to risk it, all nine conflicts and the crucible of decision. admiral, it's good to see you. thank you for being with us. it is a sad time that you and i are still talking, because we have been talking about this situation for a long time. let's talk about some developments in the united states. a bipartisan group of lawmakers in the house have sent a letter to president biden on thursday, asking, urging the administration to supply ukraine with f-16s. you have called for these jets to be sent to ukraine. including on the show. tell me about this. tell me about this is something we are not agreeing to now, but maybe we will? >> ali, we have seen the movie before, right? we start off saying no, we're not going to provide tanks. no, not armored personnel carriers, or any kind of offensive weapon, going back to the days of stingers and javelins. remember when they were controversial? we are past that point.

it is time to provide combat air, and i will tell you exactly why. a very good thing this administration has done is take the lead in moving tanks and armored personnel carriers. those are going to hit the streets, if you will, in late march, early april, german chancellor scholz talking about it at the munich security conference yesterday. but those armored personnel formations need air cover. in order gets a conducted finance operations. remember how the russian tanks were she would up by drones. we don't want that to happen to these western tanks. so, i think that case for combat aircraft was always strong. i think it is approaching imperative at this point. >> admiral, i've just returned from the southeastern part of this country, very close to donetsk. russia continues to suffer extreme casualties along the front, especially in bakhmut.

in other battles, including vuhledar, at the same, time we keep hearing about this incoming russian offensive. at one point, there were rumors it was going to be 500,000 troops, and 300,000 troops, now, it's going to be 200,000 troops. there were reports that 97% of russia's military is in ukraine now. they are having a great deal of trouble with these conscripts and prisoners. can russia mount and sustain a meaningful ground offensive? >> i think they can mounts and begin a significant combat offensive, but the idea that putin is going to be able to just massive waves of troops, he thinks he is stalin, conducting world war ii. he think he is going to end up like nicholas the second, the last czar of the russians, because he is running out of these troops. and if you hit the casualty numbers a moment ago, allie, 50% casualties. let me put those in perspective for you.

in 20 years of war in afghanistan and iraq combined, u.s. casualties were well under 1%. during world war ii, at the very highest end of combat operations, we suffered 10% casualties, in some very significant campaigns in the pacific. 50% casualties, unimaginable from a military perspective. he is burning through troops and, as you are standing in front of a burned out russian tank, he is running through equipment as well. so, bottom line, no, i don't think he has the capacity to undertake a massive breakthrough kind of offense here. >> recently on the show, admiral, inspired by a piece that you published early in the war, we did a segment on the soviet union's invasion of finland in 1939. but winter war, as it was called, and the lessons that we should learn from it as it relates to this current conflict. nearly a year into this war,

those lessons that you wrote about still hold? >> i think they do, ali, and in that winter war, a tiny finish population, just a few million, held off the red army. the cream of the soviet union. thought -- thought to a standstill. eventually, they had to conduct a negotiation. i think that will come. all wars and in negotiation, generally. so, i think the lesson here is we, in the west, have to remain steadfast in our support to these ukrainians. we have done a very good job thus far. we've got another mile or two to go here. two clocks are running, ali, on the 1:00, it's putin and all he is burning through. the other clock over here is the patients and the resources of the west. our clock has to run faster, i think it will. >> this is an important

conversation. admiral, we appreciate you. we appreciate that for the last, year you have helped our audience understand the complexity of this brutal war. admiral james -- is the former supreme nato ally -- and chief international diplomacy analyst. he is the author of the book to, risk it all nine, flock conflicts in the crucible decision. i want to bring in yulia mandel, former press secretary for the ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy. she is also the author of the book, the fight for our lives, my time with zelenskyy, ukraine's battle for democracy and what it means for the world. yulia, thank you for being here. >> thank you for coming here! >> it's important for us to mark this, and i think something that the admiral just said that there are two clocks running. what is for vladimir putin, he is running out of troops. he's running out of ammunition. he is running out of weapons. but you in ukraine are very worried that the west is, megan out of patience and resolve. tell me how you manage that here, because no one in ukraine seems to be running out of resolve. >> well, ali, let me say, first of, all we will never give up

to putin. we definitely have this concern that there is the threat of fatigue in the west, or maybe there will be the lack of unity or that we will not get enough ammunition or enough weapons. our people are fighting, and many of them just became soldiers a year ago. they are determined. they know that they can win. they know they must defend ukrainian civilians, the sky, whatever they can defend. they will land them home. but if there is no unity in the civilized world, the, west united states, there is always a risk we will not be able to stand against this unpredictable and aggressive autocracy alone. >> we are, friday marks one year of the war. we are a few days before that. at this point, one year ago, the prediction was we knew russia would invade. they had troops on the russian border, on the belarus border, and the world thought this

would be over in a matter of days or weeks. why is this war not over? >> well, because ukraine, in a year, is strong, independent, sovereign country, and will shoulder the whole world. we are not victims. maybe we are targets for russians, but we are fighters, and we are not going to give up. we are not going to -- we are going to return our people, to return our plans to stand against russia as much as possible. we definitely know we were very underestimated, and russia was very overestimated. perhaps russian propaganda that has been in power for thousands of years, try to create this image of strong putin, strong russia. in fact, you know, there are so corrupt. they are not determined. they are not motivated. what are they for here? just to kill? just to loot? to die? definitely, we will fight to the very end. we have something to fight. for everything we share together, freedom, democracy, the values that the west stands for. we are very glad that the world

understands this. >> do you think that message is resonating? volodymyr zelenskyy was at congress, he was making those connections between your fight for democracy in america's fight for democracy, and the whole west's fight for democracy. is that the part that is resonated for the world? that this is actually the democratic country that has been invaded by a non-democratic country that wants to overtake it? >> i think every american understands that the freedom is a fundamental value for building the society. that is exactly here in ukraine. it is very impressive for the region that ukraine it's such a territory of freedom and democracy in the soviet sphere, russia. we have given hope to so many countries near russia like kazakhstan, uzbekistan, azerbaijan, georgia, armenia, all those people who, for dozens of years, we're looking at russia, dealing with their decisions. every decision put cause aggression from russia, threats from russia, blackwell from russia. now, ukraine, they understand

that russia can be defeated. this is a huge poll for the democracy this part of the world. so, i think americans understand what democracy and freedom and whatever ukrainians feel here, best then better than anyone else. >> thank you for being with us. >> it would be best to cover the story with. you >> mandela's the former press secretary for the president, volodymyr zelenskyy, and the author of the book, the fight of our lives, my time with zelenskyy, ukraine's battle for democracy, and what it means for the world. well, i might be here in ukraine, but that doesn't mean we won't not hold a meeting of the velshi banned book club today. on the agenda for this week's winter kill. it is a story of resilience, survival, and a celebration of ukrainian identity. plus, a look at what it takes to travel from america to ukraine almost one year into this war with russia. we have a lot more coming up, please stay with us, on this special edition of velshi, in our new time slot from kyiv, ukraine. we'll be right back.

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i didn't know i was telling most of my late winter and early spring traveling around eastern europe, covering the war here in ukraine. i spent weeks on the other side of the ukrainian border, in hungary and poland, before settling into lviv on the western side of this nation. meanwhile, some of my

colleagues had already been in country, covering the story for a month or more before the war actually began. as you can imagine, traveling into a war zone is complicated. it takes a lot of planning and coordination, among different teams of people who are scattered around the world, but there are a lot of unknowns, once you hear on the grounds. so, those plans can change in a heartbeat. this time around, i wanted to document my trip as i traveled back to ukraine and linked up once again with my team of dedicating and brave journalists who have been in and out of this country, covering the war. >> so, we're on our way back to ukraine a year later. my team, there is seven of us, we have come in from all different places. in fact, four of us met in new york, and flew in to warsaw today. we met two of our members who flew in from england's, one from germany, and we are in poland right now. you cannot fly into ukraine, obviously. it says a war zone. you can't fly a plane there. you have to go to a neighboring european city. warsaw is a sensible hub, because you can get there from anywhere you want.

and we go in together. in ukraine, because of the, war they don't want you driving at night. they don't want car lights and it's a curfew, essentially. so, we are going to spend the night at the polish side of the ukrainian border, and at first light in the morning, we are going to head into the country. >> okay. everybody good? >> yes. >> let's do it. >> all right, you can see, we are now approaching the polish side of the border with ukraine. there will be some formalities there. what we'll do is we will go over to the other side, but this is not the vehicle into which we will drive through ukraine to our destination. so, we'll get to the other, side and will take all or cases and we have 50 cases worth of stuff loss arc rue and we'll get into crews on the other side. >> this is my great friend, for this trip, she is my field

producer but sue has been, she was in ukraine before the war started. when did you first get here? >> from january 20th and the month before the war started. >> and you were in kyiv when the first missile started flying? >> i was. our team has been here a good months preparing, so, knowing that this was a possibility, because the russians were adding and building troops on was here that night. it was about five a game when we heard that first incoming, and actually, the first thing i did was get on the radio and tell the team the missiles are coming, the missiles are coming. roll call, roll call. and woke everybody up. it's a moment i will never forget. it's really open, under those stressful conditions that you are calm. so, i want to every person, everybody was, there and then we went up and started doing television, because that's what we were there.

four >> on the other side of, that i saw that we had aaron -- on, she had been on tv earlier that evening as bradley and richard engel, it was the first time we saw with her body armor and her helmet on. what was going on for your side? we saw her on tv and what was happening on your side? >> we, too, we're in body armor. we didn't know what was going to happen next. [sirens] >> at that, point security and everyone else was helping us monitor what is going, on people back in new york and the states, but also our, folks locally. we were all in body armor as well because we didn't know what was going to go on. it was no daylight behind us. we had, as time went on, i will never forget. you connect the bridge behind us, over the river, and be able to see the russians there. that wasn't immediately, we were all surprised. you could see the tanks that. we're actually right there within our vision. >> well, we've been in ukraine

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to investigate efforts by donald trump and his allies to overturn his 2020 election loss in georgia. and this week, a judge ordered the release of part of that special grand jury's report. according to the report, the grand jury found evidence of possible perjury by at least one witness. but no evidence, of trump's crimes of widespread voter brought. the report indicated that the grand jury did make recommendations on indictment, but no identifying information was released publicly. so we don't know who they thought might have been dishonest. we don't know who they are recommending for indictment. still, a new new york times op-ed, written by three experts on the fulton county investigation, on the january six committee's investigation, and georgia state law, sees real danger for donald trump, and the country. writing quote, we need to prepare for a first in our 246 year history as a nation. the possible criminal prosecution of a former president. if mr. trump is charged, it

will be difficult and at times even perilous for american democracy, but it is necessary to deter him and others from future attempted coups, and quote. crucially, donald trump is not just a former president, he is currently running for active reelection as president. trump got into the race early, perhaps holding to hold up any challengers, but he got his first official challenger this week when the former south carolina governor, and trump's own former yuan ambassador, officially entered the race. nikki haley, falls into a likely week, and frankly embarrassing category of republican. she's one of those who did not support donald trump in the 2016 primary, but join his administration anyway. and now, even while trying to wrestle the republican party away from him, she's trying to do it without offending him too much, which sounds a lot like another likely trump challenger, trump's vice president, mike pence, who is widely expected to jump into the race and who is so desperate to avoid testifying at what actually

happen on the day that donald trump literally such a violent mob against him that he vowed this week to fight a subpoena from the special counsel investigating the january 6th attack. even if he's got to take the fight all the way to the supreme court. you cannot make this stuff up. i wish we could, but it's true. joining me now is the former democratic senator, doug jones of alabama. he has earned as the united states attorney for the state northern district, he's now distinguished senior fellow with the center for american progress. senator, it's good to see you again, thank you for being with us. i wanted to talk to you because you know politics better than most. you know tricky politics better than most. and your lawyer, former prosecutor, try and make this easy to understand for us. that new york times editorial said, this is perilous if donald trump is criminally charged in a fulton county. but it may be important. >> yeah, you know, ali, thanks for having me. at think that that times article really captured what a

lot of us have been trying to explain to the american people for quite a while now. that, merrick garland, the fulton county da, they've got a really tough decision. these are not just run-of-the-mill cases that you just look at the straight facts and decide well can i prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury. you've got a former president, and it would be a first. it is a very significant decision. and it is going to up and. donald trump still has incredible amount of followers who do not believe he committed a crime, who are convinced that the election was stolen, and they're going to be upset if he gets charged, and much less convicted to be getting a jury no matter where this is. so, i do think that the times article really sets out that really difficult decisions that are facing the department of justice, and the fulton county da, despite what people think is overwhelming amount of evidence. >> doug, donald trump, because he is running for president again, he announced actually fairly early in the hopes of

scaring off any either, legal pursuits lie could appear biased, or challengers. well, he's already got challengers, he has won challenger and probably more to come. does the fact that he's running for president affect any of these legal decisions that the fulton county da, or merrick garland need to make? >> only in the sense. it shut effect of the timeline. i think everybody understands that the clock is ticking and that this needs to be -- these decisions need to be make relatively soon before we get to deep in the campaign silly season. i don't think, if at all, it will affect whether or not a charge will be made, unless it gets to a point that it is beyond the election. i think that they are going to look at these independently, they're going to look at the seriously, i think they're gonna make a decision regardless of whether donald trump is a candidate or not. but clearly, the timeline is getting -- the clocks ticking. the clock's winding down on the fort and you have got to get

that three-point shot in or not, or decide to just take it. >> so, what happens. if we find out that this grand jury of the indictment of donald trump or vote someone very close to him, you do -- one does have to think about the impact for democracy as a whole. this is somebody who we watched try to undermine democracy in america. but your point is valid. there are a lot of people who don't believe donald trump did anything wrong. they're a lot of people who think maybe he did, but we need to move on from it. in a polarized democracy that we have, what happens if donald trump is actually charged? >> well i think you'll see a lot of protest, but at the same time, i think the january 6th commission, committee, has somewhat unoccupied a lot of people with regard to facts. i know that committee did an amazing job of laying before the american people facts that were pretty damning at whether or not that crossed the line for criminal conduct, remains

to be seen with the decisions of the department of justice. but i think at this point, the american people see a lot of things and they understand, and you saw what happened in the election this past november where across the country, people were rejecting these election deniers and these a maga extremists that we see on the far-right. so, the hope is that everyone will at least allow the criminal process, the judicial process, to play out, and that's the way it should be. we would hopefully find a judge, an impartial jury that can let this play out and let the facts, let the facts and the law speak for themselves. that's the way the system is designed we >> senator, is always good to see you, thank you for joining us again this morning, the former democratic senator, doug jones of alabama. well, still to come, lieutenant colonel alexander vindman joins me to help understand how russia's latest invasion of ukraine could have potentially been avoided years ago, and what's needed to end this war as soon as possible.

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he just said it's not russia. i will say this. i don't see any reason why it wouldn't be. >> if you want that moment play out back in july of 2018 and thought to yourself, this isn't going to end well, you were correct. after spending a couple of hours with russian president vladimir putin in helsinki, the former president, donald trump, erected the conclusion that vladimir putin did not interfere with the 2016 u.s. presidential election, because he said so. donald trump publicly sided with the russian autocrat over u.s. intelligence agencies, which had already concluded

that russia was, in fact, behind the effort to tip the scales in trump's favor in 2016. donald trump did try and walk those comments back a full 24 hours later, saying he misspoke. the damage was already done. we didn't know it at the time, but there was another scenario playing out behind the scenes. a discredited rumor being spread by republican allies, trump advisers, and the president himself, what if it actually was ukraine that meddled in the 2016 u.s. election, and not russia? almost one year to the day after trump defended vladimir putin in helsinki, trump had what he later described as a perfect phone call with the new leader of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyy. zelenskyy was a popular actor. he was a comedian who had run a populist campaign against years and years of political corruption in ukraine's government. the ukrainian people had lodged two revolutions in the space of a decade, trying to get themselves a political system that worked.

one that wasn't beset by corruption. the election of this young charismatic, populist leader felt like a real opportunity for some ukrainians. putin, though, saw his own opportunity. he saw zelenskyy as weak, inexperienced, as being in over his head. the perfect scenario to further squeeze ukraine, which has been increasingly leaning towards europe in the west. and away from russia. in this moment, what ukraine really needed was its biggest and strongest partner, the united states, to step up and say that ukraine and its new president had the full backing, respect, and support of the united states. something that had near universal support in the u.s. congress. instead, what ukraine got was a lying, scheming, double crossing u.s. president who was preparing to defy u.s. interests and policy in favor of personal political gain. what trump and his allies did was push that conspiracy theory about ukraine interfering in the 2016 election.

and then came that infamous phone call, which was, if it isn't already obvious, far from perfect. on july 25th, 2019, donald trump and the ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy, shared a phone call. according to transcripts, zelenskyy told trump quote, we are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps. specifically, we are almost ready to buy more javelins from the united states for defense purposes, and quote. to which donald trump responded, quote, i would like you to do us a favor, though. i would like you to do us a favor, though. trump made $400 million in congressionally approved military aid to ukraine, contingent upon zelenskyy doing trump a favor, by announcing investigations into his political rival, joe biden and his son. trump temporarily froze congressionally approved military aid to ukraine to pressure zelenskyy. all of this, of course,

resulted in donald trump's first impeachment. the only reason we even know about this phone call it's because of a select few truth tellers inside the trump administration, specifically the lieutenant colonel, alexander vindman. vindman, a national security adviser, blew the whistle and testified in trump's impeachment trial that he heard that call. he knew it was wrong, and he reported it up the chain. >> i was concerned by the call. what i heard was inappropriate, and i forwarded my concerns to mr. eisenberg. it's improper for the president of the united states who demands a form of government investigate a u.s. citizen and the political opponent. >> vindman was promptly removed from his post after trump's impeachment trial. anyone with an ounce of foresight could predict, i would like you to do us a favor, though, was not going to end well. for trump, he was impeached by the house. ultimately, he faced zero repercussions. for ukraine, the consequences were far more serious.

ukraine and its new untested, an corrupt leader, needed to be taken seriously on the world stage to fend off russian aggression. instead, donald trump chose to try and leverage the situation for his own personal gain. and for presidents lewinsky, having that military aid frozen, having the president of the united states try to shake him down, that cost zelenskyy in terms of power and respect, and his authority against vladimir putin. after a year of warfare against russia, volodymyr zelenskyy has proved that he is a strong and capable president and a military leader, but he started this war on shaky ground. shaky ground that russia saw as an opportunity to invade, because ukraine didn't appear to have the universal backing of the united states. and that fact is on donald trump.

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mentioned the four for the break, i truly heroic mentioned the truly heroic actions of the former army actions of the former army lieutenant colonel, lieutenant colonel, alexander vindman, who alexander vindman, who blew the brew vessel and testified against the then whistle and testify the cans that then president of the united states, president united states, donald donald trump. in his trump's first impeachment trial. first impeachment trial, after he had heard the call in which trump threatened to withhold military aid to ukraine. vindman came to the united states with his family from then, soviet occupied ukraine, when he was just three years old. in his testimony he worried that his father, who had struggled so hard to get

alexander and his brother a good life in the united states would worry about the consequences of a men testifying against the president of the united states. but vindman said in his testimony, don't worry dak, here in america, doing the right thing matters. here, right, matters. american story is the title his gripping book about that episode those pivotal to the trump administration, to the deterioration of a blocker siena market, and ultimately to this war in ukraine. the brave youth tenant colonel joins me now. he is a decorated veteran who previously served at the director of european affairs at the national security council. he's a senior adviser for the organization vote that's. i've so valued my conversations with lieutenant colonel vindman and his deep expertise on russia, ukraine, and the factors at play in this war. but, colonel, it saddens me that we are still discussing this. but it reminds me of a conversation you and i had almost won a year ago. i think it was march the 6th, 2022, in which we were discussing aid that ukraine was asking for that it was not

getting from the west. let me play that for you, i'd like to hear from you on the other side of it. >> we have to remember that things that seemed unpalatable ten days ago, are now being discussed. these aircrafts that the u.s., from what i understand, we have obstructed from poland these soviet-era crafts coming forward, now in serious discussions are pushing those forward. poland, slovakia, and bulgaria. so things that seemed unpalatable before, are now quite reasonable. and things that will seem, that seem unpalatable now a week, or two weeks from now, are going to be necessary. >> colonel, i want to ask you about that situation now, because in the last month we have seen so much added aid from the united states, from nato countries, from ukraine's neighbors, but not the jets that ukraine wants, will they get them? >> yeah, ali, let me return and say that your coverage of this war for the past year has been

exceptional and it's been a privilege to be able to join you, so thank you for that. with regards to these jets, there still are kind of ongoing discussions. i think the problem here is it's a political game of sorts that in the u.s. administration, as with so many things, tanks, armored vehicles, has put a lot of credibility and stake into saying no, and then having to justify those nose for a long time, eventually shifting policy as we did for the tanks and armored vehicles. we're gonna get there with plans to. probably going to be polish victory nines. there are some discussions ongoing right now about finally transferring those big 29th a year into the war. those are probably some what upgraded variants compared to what the ukrainians have based on the fact that poland has access to, you know upgrades that ukraine did not. but, it's gonna happen, and it's a precursor to -- aircraft also ultimately coming in. >> let's talk about preparation,

the ability for ukraine troops, air force to use this weaponry and planes that they get from the west. volodymyr zelenskyy said that do you guys can cross, we don't need your troops, we don't need people on the ground, we don't need your navy pilots, we don't need your fighter pilots, we need your stuff. a year ago, there were concerns with the ukrainian military was not up to this battle with the russian military. now we're seeing some estimates that say 97% of the russian military is in this country already, and they still haven't been able to win this war, tell me about the underestimation of the ukrainian military, the overestimation of the russian military, and where we stand now. >> it's really a consistent theme, frankly, that the russians, there is still an overestimation of russia's capability. this idea that they can mobilize hundreds of thousands of troops, and still achieve some sort of military objectives. tactical, operational directives. that has not been realized. the fact is that russia is having to pour in thousands of troops in order to seize this

one little city of bakhmut, and they've gained some territory, but a year an, they're fighting for inches, losing thousands of troops. ukraine, on the other hand, has been consistently underestimated. they can apply a combined, arm artillery, infantry, armor together. they can't come down offensive operations. all sorts of different criticisms, and you think that after a year, would probably calibrated better our analysis of both russian capabilities, and ukrainian capabilities, but thus far, we haven't. that's just one of, you know, probably a couple of a handful of critical shortfalls we've had. the other one is that our rhetoric often doesn't match it out -- the kind of support we offer. we have flowery rhetoric indicating that this is a geopolitical crisis that is essential for the u.s. to help ukraine win. but the same time, we are deeply reluctant to provide ukraine support. the biden administration gets a lot of credit for the things it does. but frankly, i'd like to focus on the things