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from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. we begin with the breaking news right now. vice president kamala harris is heading back to washington after taking part in the munich security conference. the vice president using her keynote speech today to condemn moscow while formally announcing the u.s. has determined russia committed war crimes against ukraine. >> in the case of russia's actions in ukraine, we have examined the evidence. we know the legal standards. there is no doubt, these are crimes against humanity.

[applause] >> u.s. calling off the search for the unidentified object over lake huron. that is two of former objects shot down by the u.s. military which included that chinese spy balloon. the last hour, democratic making member of the house adam smith spoke with me about the questions and concerns that still remain over the spy balloon that moose mystery objects. >> if the hobbyist and meteorologists can do this, so can the russians and the chinese. it seems fairly obvious when you look at the extensive nature of the chinese balloons. not just the u.s., but across the world. china felt they had found a weak spot, a place where we weren't looking. so yes, there are clear intelligence implications in all of this as well. >> we have some reporters in place to talk about the days big developments. we have nbc's -- for nbc news, courtney is joining me now from munich. so, welcome my friend. does this declaration about

crimes against humanity, does it change the u.s. military's efforts to support ukraine courtney? >> no. you will remember that back in march, about a year ago, the u.s. declared not crimes against humanity, the war crimes, they believe that russia was guilty of war crimes. this is a step beyond that. basically, what that means is that they have the belief that russia is conducting these war crimes on a more systemic or wide basis. then simply the declaration of war crimes. it doesn't change, in fact frankly, this kind of declaration i think what it is going to do is only embolden the u.s. efforts to supply ukraine with what they need. defensive capabilities, anything that they need. one thing that i'm really hearing a lot alex is just this unbelievable support for ukraine for a long term. these long term commitments. the people who were saying things at the same conference last year who maybe seemed a

little bit on the fence, this year they are completely all in for a long term commitment. i have to tell you, it is striking how much the language has changed in just one year from here. i'm talking about allies in this region and outside this region, alex. >> so long term, is their top at the conference about prospects of an end to the war? are there discussions on that front? >> so, that is one of the main questions i keep asking people. after this big offensive and counter offensive, what is next? it's just another offensive? another counter offensive? is this going to go on indefinitely? the reality is, even with these big offensives, the front lines have been moving a ton. it hasn't really changed the game on the ground. what i have heard uniformly is that right now there is no one pushing ukraine to the diplomatic table. i think what we need to do is wait and see what happens with this next offensive and see whether ukraine is really able to change the frontlines and

change the calculus on the battlefield. there is a lot of concern that russia has already begun their offensive. there is some administration officials who are concerned that they might employ their forces a little bit more. that is why there's so much urgency right now to get ukraine everything that they need. it is the big four, that's what we are talking about here. air defenses, artillery, that includes ammunition for artillery, ammunition, they will never have enough of it, and armor, thanks. those are the four priorities. i'm hearing that across the board with the u.s. and the ellis. >> that is definitely a good way to categorize all that. thank you for doing that. let me pivot a bit, we are going to look now to our west. the question of the u.s., china relations. i know you've been exclusive interview with event secretary lauren austin before the munich security conference. you asked him about concerns over the dangers around the lack of communication between the u.s. and china. let's take a listen.

>> i have reached out to him, i've talked him face to face. i have emphasized the need to maintain open lines of communication. he actually recognizes me to do that. in this case and in the case we had a couple months ago. when something happens, they tend to shut down the military channels of communication. i think that is dangerous. but it won't stop me from continuing to encourage them to open up the line of communication. i think that is the right thing to do. >> but they are doing it yet, so we will try -- >> no, and in fact all we have seen here today is china doing exactly what secretary austin, and we heard the same from this man recently, that china seems to shut down communication when there's any kind of a real tension or when there's any kind of dispute with the country. we have seen that here today.

secretary of state anthony blinken is here, there was a lot of speculation and talk about whether he might meet with his chinese counterpart who is here. as of now, we are not aware that that is happening. one of the things on the agenda would be continuing to have a lot of communication. secretary austin tried reaching out to his counterpart before the chinese surveillance balloon was shot down. they didn't answer the phone, there had been any communications. the one thing that has been consistent is the diplomatic talks back and forth. beijing was answering the phone to the u.s. at the lower level to diplomatically. now, everyone is waiting to see how can they not meet when the two men are here in the same building today in munich. there is so many issues that they need to discuss, leaving for a short meeting. i have to say, everyone is still waiting to see what is going to happen with that. >> thank you courtney for that. we went head to the other half of this dynamic. we head to nbc's monica alba at the white house. playing off what you heard from

courtney, or their expectations that the president will talk to the chinese president in the wake of this five balloon controversy? >> president biden himself, alex, said that he would like to speak to president xi jinping. we are told by white house officials that no formal call has been set. the invitation has gone out yet so we are reading between the two countries, that usually take a little bit of time, even without these intense circumstances and the tensions between the two nations. given that, i think something would expect to take place. but nothing is planned imminently. that is why you're going to have some more diplomatic dialogue right now. that's something the white house suspects and it depends on what level is actually going to take place. they would like to keep that channel open if even if it's not open militarily. this is something that we heard a little bit more of the rationale from the white house these last couple of days. the president coming out and defending his actions, saying that whatever he feels any americans, whether that be in

the aircraft or otherwise are threatened, that he is going to take action to protect them. that is the rationale for shooting down the original chinese spy balloon, the massive one that is 20 stories tall with regional jet attached to the bottom of it. we are told now that the debris recollection of that, that process has been completed so the military is hoping to provide a lot more answers. we also learned a little bit more into why the white house took this action from vice president kamala harris in exclusive interview with andrea mitchell. here is a little bit more of that conversation. >>,, we were confident that it was used by china to spy on the american people. we will maintain the perspective that we have in terms of what should be the relationship between china and

the united states. that is not going to change but surely and certainly, the balloon was not helpful, which is why we shot down. >> so the white house is always saying that this is a conversation that continues strategic on petition, they don't seek to be in conflict with china. for everyone else wondering what is the deal with these other objects, are they still going to attempt to recover them? we are just learning overnight that the military has recommended not to continue those efforts into the object that was shot down over the arctic. those alaskan waters, and one shot down over lake huron. simply because it is been too difficult, at least so far, to recover any debris from their. the object of course, because the harsh winter conditions and lake huron, because of the death of the water. it is really possible here that we won't get any kind of picture as to what those objects ended up being. though it is possible that can officials will still try to cover what landed over the yukon in northern canada. they work on the avenue in

partnership with the united states, alex. >> we have said it is been hard to stop any debris and maybe it is because the objects were smaller and they may have been blown to smithereens. that may be part of it as well. monika, thank you so much for the white house. let's go to new jersey and the developing controversy there. there's new demand for change after a case of high school bowling ended in a suicide of a 14-year-old girl in new jersey. adriana killed herself days after videos posted online of a group of girls attacking her in school. on thursday, hundreds of angry and grieving students and parents spoke for hours about the change that they wanted to see. emily was there. see. emily was there. >> the meeting started with a moment of silence honoring the late 14 year old adriana who took her own life just two days after being attacked in the school hallways of central regional high school in new jersey. emotions quickly spilled over,

boiled over after that. the families of the communities first opportunity to address borders face to face since her death. we heard about fear, anger, so many emotions from students and parents. even former students and parents and members of the community. i was there thursday night and every single seat in the auditorium was filled. the crowds spilling out into the hallway. the public comment period lasted a stunning more than five hours. we heard a lot about this ongoing culture of violence from parents, something that the acting superintendent denies, take a listen. >> i've had people try to jump me because i am gay in the school. >> we are scared to walk in the hallways of central. we are terrified we are going to get picked on and bullied and jumped because that is always going to happen. >> she told me today, i can go back to school, mom. my mental health is taking a toll. it shouldn't be like that. school should be a fun, safe

place for these kids to learn and want to go. [applause] >> four students have been commonly charged in connection to the attack on adriana. the superintendent has since resigned. we heard from the acting superintendent for the first time earlier this week. i pressed him on what the school district could have or should have done differently in the wake of the attack on adriana. he would not comment anything in relation to that incident. he says it is an open investigation, but we did hear from some of the perspective changes that the school is considering to implement, including a change in a cell phone policy. remember, the attack on adriana was recorded and then posted and circulated on social media. they also are considering establishing a toll free hotline. and also working more closely with local police and the county prosecutors office. michael, adrian his father, he was not in attendance at the board meeting. and the board of education meeting on thursday, but we heard from his attorney in a statement that says they are exploring all potential legal matters and legal actions

including potentially against the school. he says to nbc news in a statement, they are investigating the administration's lack of intervention and supervision. and its failure to engage law enforcement immediately after the attack. a heartbroken community desperately seeking answers. back to you. >> for sure, thank you only for that. turning now to memphis and the ongoing developments after got not guilty pleas from five officers charged with killing tyre nichols. the officers appeared in court yesterday six weeks after nichols was stopped and four weeks after they were fired in connection with the stop. three weeks after they were charged in connection with tyre nichols death. nbc's priscilla thompson is in the courtroom yesterday, she can join me right now. i'm curious, priscilla, thank you for being here, what was it like inside that courtroom and is there any indication how the defense team will approach this case? >> alex, this was a very brief hearing, but absolutely an

emotional day for the family of tyre nichols. while it was incredibly difficult for them to hear those five former officers pleaded not guilty, they called it a glorious day. saying that this was the beginning in their fight for justice. >> do you have anything to say? >> five police officers charged in the brutal beating of tyre nichols. silent as they appear in court for the first time on friday. [inaudible] >> not guilty. >> not guilty. >> not guilty. >> the arraignment lasted less than five minutes, all pleading not guilty to charges including second-degree murder stemming from the january 7th beating. nichols died three days later. attorneys for the officers called for a fair trial. >> it must be based on the facts and the law and not the raw emotions that our country is experiencing. >> he urged against a rush to judgment. >> there is 20 hours of video, we have seen five-minute

snippets of a video. i don't think you can do that. >> you believe there is more to see. >> i believe there is more to see. >> those in the courtroom, nichols family. >> i am waiting for this nightmare that i'm going through right now, i'm waiting for somebody to wake me up. >> coming face to face with the man accused of murdering their son. >> they didn't even have the courage to look at me in my face after what they did to my son. they are going to see me at every court date, everyone. until we get justice for my son. >> the hearing comes after to shelby county sheriff deputies were suspended for five days. >> an internal vest again found that they did not notify the dispatch they arrived on scene after the beating and failed to keep their body cameras on. six memphis police officers have been fired the city says, and seven more remain under investigation.

now, the family of tyre nichols finding reason to hope amid so much grief. >> is the glorious day, this is the beginning of the process. >> and attorneys for those five former officers have filed their motions for discovery. they should begin receiving that material and reviewing that material as they prepare for trial. the next hearing in this case is scheduled for may 1st, alex? >> that mom, that is one strong, courageous mom sitting in a courtroom every day. bless her for doing that. okay, thank you priscilla. erin brockovich is going to join me next, she will talk about the long term impact of all of those chemicals that burned at the site of that ohio train development. train development. can feel rough on your skin? for softer clothes that are gentle on your skin, try downy free & gentle downy will soften your clothes without dyes or perfumes. the towel washed with downy is softer, and gentler on your skin. try downy free & gentle. (woman 1) i just switched to verizon business unlimited.

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says it is sending a team of federal agents to areas affected by the ohio train development. right now, experts from the department of health and human services and the cdc are

conducting a risk assessment while members of fema on the ground offer aid to a community that has been begging for help for more than a week. >> we are a community, we don't know how to respond to it. >> all i know is our town needs help. >> don't forget about the people that live outside of east palestine. are we supposed to use jugs of water? it is ridiculous. >> meanwhile, in norfolk southern, the rail company behind the ohio train development released clues of toxic chemicals in here. it is now facing massive legal blow back. according to a new federal lawsuit, the derailment and controlled burn of chemicals released, 1.1 million pounds of cancer causing vinyl chloride into the surrounding environment. joining me now is erin brockovich, consumer advocate and author of the brockovich report newsletter. so glad to have you here, you have 30 years of experience

given what launch you into this career. are you left got your headed thinking, how are we here again? >> yes, i've been watching for 30 years how this does continue to happen. we are really scratching our heads on this particular trained really meant. the delayed response, the misinformation, the inconsistent information on top of a disaster that is really concerning this community. they still don't trust if it's safe, they don't have the answers about how dangerous it is and what they were supposed to, what is happening with the water. i have never, in 30 years, seen anything like this where there has been such a slow response. >> this delay may play into what is happening on top of the federal action with the newer caution lawsuits being filed. talk about what these lawsuits are alleging and what they're looking to get from norfolk southern?

have we heard from norfolk southern about this? >> well, i think you have heard from no fork but again you haven't. it is very interesting. i start getting emails as soon as february 4th, this incident occurred on february 3rd. on the fourth and fifth, we were hemming and hawing about what to do. on february 6th, they decided to dig a hole next to the train cars and they took all of those chemicals out of the rail cars and dumped into this whole. and then they lit it on fire. so norfolk to train jerome and that is their fault and turned it into a way bigger disaster than it ever had to be here to pump those chemicals into a tanker truck and got another area. so no folk is still there, i understand the going door to door, they're offering $1,000 if you sign away your rights.

they are saying they're going to be going to meetings. they are going to be giving people information. then they don't show up, they are involved but again, the same message is coming from no folk as it is from agencies to these people. evacuate, come back, it is safe, it is not -- it is so confusing, no one seems to know what to do. >> so hang on, you say that they could have put the contents of these derailed cars into some sort of a tanker and moved it out of the way. they chose to do the controlled burn. why? is that the safest choice? you are suggesting, no. >> a lot of people are suggesting no. in the governor's press release on the sixth, this was in charge, no fork was in charge and how they limited on fire was not because it was a real car, it is because they dubbed

an online hole and put the liquid chemicals in their. and then they lit on fire, that is the plume you're seeing from. this is where we are going to see into the future, probably a lot of water contamination. it will take time for all of those chemicals that have been dumped in this hole to migrate into the water. and norfolk needs to be monitoring, they should have soil vapor monitors out there. they need to have ground monitoring out there to see where this ultimate plume of contamination is going to move through. >> immediate reaction has been this. we heard a little bit earlier from a lot of these residents that are concerned. there is burning of eyes, burning the back of their throat, there is livestock that is killing, over pets killing over. we have that currently, but how much are you concerned about the long term effects, will they result from this? what could happen?

>> we still need to see raw data. i think there should be a public access page for all the testing that is being done. if norfolk is the one doing the testing, you should have independent testing out there. but what are the actual levels of what they are finding and what they are not finding? we could even gauge what the future is. vinyl chloride is very toxic, the beautiful has an additive that is called benzene. benzene is very toxic. that cloud of smoke created dioxin, that is very toxic. what levels are they finding. even doctors, toxicology,'s epidemiologists could look at those numbers that might begin to give them a potential idea of a future impact. how big was the dose response ratio, was a huge, was a little? is it long term? this is information, this committee still doesn't have and that is absolutely the

biggest concern. what will the future healthy? >> look, there are reports that the ceo of norfolk southern is in ohio right now. but when we look at what happened wednesday with the campers flaring at that town hall, where dozens of the affected people, they expect to get answers from norfolk. representatives don't show up. listen to the reaction. >> [inaudible] [inaudible] >> so how you think no folks southern is handling this crisis. should the company be doing a better job or, not their defense, but at least in terms of an exclamation, is the magnitude of this instant hindering its abilities to do what needs to be done?

>> i feel so bad for this community. it takes me all the way back 30 years ago to people of every community a rock with. you never get the straight answers from no folk or from the corporation, however the insignia kurd. it caused a natural disaster. this is where we will turn to our agencies for information when they are still not getting it. it is starting to trickle in, we are going to be pushing three weeks into this. i understand that frustration, you are not going to get a straight answer or the truth from norfolk. this is their fault and they know it's coming. they're going to be liable for this. but this community isn't going to get the truth from norfolk in life in you, ever. >> that is stunning. let me ask you this the, we

have governor dewine's office and they made the call wednesday to lift evacuation. they said residents can safely return home, the water safety drink. but he is now calling on the white house to find federal assistance, agents to go there. we do have the white house pulling fema as well. let me ask you this, when they say it's safe to return, we are two days prior governor dewine had said he done not evacuate and you have a child in your residence. you will be arrested. that is how serious it was, 48 hours, guess what? they had to go back. really? >> that is the a consistent message at this point it is trusting anyone to believe any information that they are hearing. i share with you and epa letter that came out on february 10th to norfolk. the last line of the first

paragraph as they're talking about the cars that derailed containing a vinyl fluoride. they stated these chemicals are known to have been and continue to be released to the air, the surface oils and surface waters. that was february 10th. we get an all clear, don't drink the water, then it's safe, then you read something like this from u.s. epa launching at norfolk. this continues to be. yet, nobody is there for these people and i feel terrible. i feel like they are the frog sitting in the boiling water. they need these answers and we need, our agencies can give them assurance that they are safe. we are not getting that information to conclude for certain that they are safe. they are scared, they are reaching out to me in numbers,

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the air. joining me now is former deputy assistant attorney general and host of the talking heads podcast harry lippman and political consultant and radio host michael singleton. welcome you both. michael, you first hear. i want to talk about what struck me about these conversations from all of this. the fox host being tucker carlson, john hannity, or ingram, and others. it wasn't that they repeatedly insulted and mocked claims by city powell or rudy giuliani or even donald trump. but it seems that they tried to silence some of their own reporters who are pushing back on some of the lies. what does that indicate to you? what are key takeaways from this communication? >> alex, look, i know people who work at fox news and many of them are very hardworking producers and bookers, executive producers, writers, et cetera. i want to be very clear about that. what that said, what it indicates is internally, even the host that you have on the

screen, they knew that the election was over. donald trump lost, joe biden was elected, they knew that. for the most part, it appears from the documents made publicly available that they all agree to share that consensus. publicly, they did not -- it went from 50,000 580,000 views of the week, i completely understand. from my perspective, i think the network should have just been honest with people. i think they have more than enough time to regain those viewers. at this point alex, i don't even know if any republicans knew don trump would be president. look how time is changed. i think the network made a drastic mistake on this. >> i'm gonna come back and get a little more granular in the cami just made about that. but here, if you first, when it comes to the burden in this case, it falls on dominion to prove that fox acted with actual malice when it claim that the voting machines were designed to rig elections. that burden is typically a very

difficult to meet, but how far does this filing go towards meeting it? >> pretty far. actual malice is lost, they knew that they were preventing lies, or least they were in reckless disregard of it. as you suggest, very rare to win that kind of lawsuits since the supreme court put that standard in place. typically, in a defamation suit, you maybe have a rogue reporter or a system. allegedly, and the allegations are really backed up with documentation, a rogue network. a network all the way up to the ceo that, at least based on the documents we have seen, knows completely and is just continuing to send stuff out that they know is false and only for ratings. if a jury believes that, fox is in a world of hurt. it is very unusual because

there is a whole corporate mode of corporate operations here. it shows that truth, normally the realm, isn't what mattered most. but it was actually -- >> hear something, let's get into this. you touched on this michael, the means argument was motivated by competitive pressures because they saw its viewers begin switching the channel to other conservative cable news networks. it happened after fox called arizona for joe biden. that indeed made fox concerned about the financial impact it would have on the network's bottom line. in this court file, tucker carlson is quoted as saying in response to a reporter fact-checking trump and calling him out, here's the quote. please get her fired, it needs to stop immediately like tonight. it's measurably hurting the company. the stock price is down. not a joke. what is your response to that? >> he was talking about, i believe, a reporter who said that there is no evidence that

the election had gained fraud. again, this goes to the point that i made, alex. eternally, there is one thing, and publicly individuals are putting on a different face because they were indeed concerned about the ratings. for my perspective as a strategist, it's a three, months later, and ron desantis is moving in the polls. haley has announced, jeff scott may jump into this thing, mike pence, mike pompeo. it is clear that the republican voters are moving on and looking for someone else. again, back to that fundamental question, was any of this really necessary, alex. i would go to say that it wasn't. probably, more than likely regret the decision that they made. >> harry, in its defense, fox has argued that by covering trump's fraud claims, the network was doing what any media organization does, report and comment on a matter of undeniable newsworthiness. i'm going to play now some of

what fox news host have said i'm here, here it is. >> if you are trump voter and you suspect this election was stolen, was rigged, you are on to something. it is the tech companies above all that did it. >> i assume that you're getting to the bottom of exactly what dominion is, who started dominion, how it can be manipulated, if it is manipulated at all, and what evidence do you have to prove this. >> the dominion software, i know that there were voting irregularities, tell me about that. >> i want to ask you to tell me about the law here. we know that is shields journalists from liability if they report or false statements. however, not as i understand it if they promote them. does it seem like that is what is happening based on these messages. if that is true, will there be any repercussions for fox news? >> without a doubt. they will pass the big hurdle in the law, that move on to

sentiment or even a jury. dominion is spoiled to get foxes misconduct revealed. look, necessity might be the watch word for a consultant. i don't doubt that, but the word for consumer for me and you is truth. the supreme court has made clear, there is some value in reporters getting it wrong in a fast-moving news cycle et cetera. there is zero value, social value for any of us in knowing lies. that is what they are accused of doing with unusually strong proof. they're looking at a genuine verdict or settlement and a huge reputation will hit. >> well, we will be watching this closely. >> and i say something very quickly? i just got to say, i'm not certain that this lavish of can impact on the existing fox viewers, i think folks who don't watch fox will already be skeptical and cc, we told you so. i think because there is a democratic office, fox will continue to be fine once this

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from washington to talk about this. marissa, welcome. what is nikki's saying about this? >> let the campaign trail begin. we have this town hall in new hampshire, this is just days after nikki haley announced her 2024 campaign. she has been a decent out of time talking about education, something that she clearly wants to make part for platform here. as she was talking about that, she took an opportunity to take a soft jab at governor desantis. saying that she doesn't think florida's parental rights and education law, we are talking about this bill that is going to be referred to as the don't say gay bill, goes far enough. take a listen for yourself. >> here, they're trying to talk about gender in schools. there was all this talk about the florida bill, the don't say gay bill. basically what is it was unique should not talk about gender for their great, i'm sorry, i don't think that goes far enough. that is a decision for parents to make. that is not a decision for

schools to make. >> the comments make sense when you look at the rate east pool, take a look yourself. out of a field of potentially 14 republican candidates, you have donald trump, former president leading by 42%. and then governor desantis who has even announced that he is running coming in at 36%. and then haley coming in at just 5%. that seems an abysmal number. of course, murder in the scope, she is still third. she still has a lead on pence and these are still early days. remember, trump is her former boss. she was the u.n. ambassador under the trump administration. she has been really careful so far not to name former president trump by name when she makes any sort of comment or attack. clearly when it comes to desantis, after she made those comments, she was also trying to thread a needle and not polarized and important base here. >> she's walking a tightrope right now, that is for sure.

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georgia grand jury's investigation into election interference by donald trump that could lead to criminal culpability for the ex president and his allies, after part of the panel's final report released this week recommended indictments be handed out to one or more witnesses it believes committed perjury. joining me now is atlanta constitution reporter, greg bluestein. welcome back, greg. you've been covering this case extensively. so, what have we learned, and what have we not learned, with what was voice to the public? what key questions went on to dressed in that report? >> we know now for certain the grant to his recommend the perjury charges against at least one witness who testified before the panel, and there are

75 or so witnesses. that's a pretty big pool. we also know the grand juries were unanimous in rejecting trump's false claims that the election was stolen or fraudulent in some way or another. that is what we know, but there's a lot, as you mentioned, we don't know for certain, the fulton county da is going to bring charges. she suggested she will, but we don't know that for certain. we don't know who she will target if he does, we don't know when they will come. this is some pretty major questions still unanswered. >> so, i'm going to get to witnesses in just a sec. for now, this is a pretty narrow look at the grand jury's work, perjury being the only criminal charge brought up. how is donald trump implicated in the report, with the ball moved at all, in terms of forward motion, in potentially charging him? >> you know, we only got a few portions of the grand jury, the special grand jury's final report. so, there's a lot we don't know. donald trump is out there falsely saying that report exonerated him. it did. not we still don't know whether or not the fulton county da will seek charges against trump tower any of his allies and

even if the grand jury doesn't suggest that, she still could take that step. the grand jury works under unique rules, it's a special grand jury. it will recommend charges. it's up to the fulton county da to make that final termination. so, there's still a lot of balls in the air we don't know where they will land. >> you make the, 0.75 witnesses testified before the grand jury. that includes several key trump allies who were subpoenaed. senator lindsey graham, for, one this week stood by his testimony. take a listen. >> yes, i'm very confident. i have no idea what they are going to do. i will leave that to you. >> you're confident you or not -- >> i went in, honest testimony, that's the bright. i don't know what they're gonna do. >> do you see this as a closed chapter from your end? >> i hope so. let's put it this way. i did what i was asked to do, i asked what i was asked, i -- they were very perpetual. >> i'm curious, greg.

is it possible that individuals who could be indicted have not appeared before the grand jury yet? i mean, can we rule out witnesses not been indicted, except possibly for perjury, since witnesses aren't the target of a criminal investigation? >> that's a really good point. you know, could it be looking at cross referencing testimony from the january six committee or other sworn statements these witnesses could face? you are right. look, the pool, we know, it's 75. it could be even larger. there's not much we still don't know, because the fulton county da has not said much yet, beyond this report. we know, though, it should be -- contest the release of this report. she was okay with these three sections being released to the public. >> okay, greg bluestein, there's a lot to come. that means we look forward to seeing you again, my friends. many thanks. and for all of you, that is a wrap for me on this edition of alex witt reports. we'll see you again tomorrow from los angeles, at noon

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