>> hey, everybody. big show for you today. good afternoon, i'm yasmin vossoughian, it's good to see you. a dangerous new provocation for north korea. firing a missile capable of reaching the entire u.s.. it is coming as vice president

kamala harris gives a major speech overseas with her focus squarely on the war in ukraine, taking him directly at the russian president. >> the united states has formally determined that russia has committed crimes against humanity. >> and federal help on the way to the site of the ohio train derailment, despite the governor suggesting he didn't need it. the latest on what's going on there, and breaking news out of mississippi that we have been following a shooting rampage. it left 60 pulled dead. then, a very difficult day for michigan state university community. memorial services for all three students killed in this shooting. all of that, plus in our next hour, senator john fetterman and when he needs help for clinical depression. i'm going to look at his prognosis and the reaction to his hospitalization. that is coming up on -- as well. we want to start with that breaking news. secretary of state tony blinken,

just a short time, ago calling for the global community to step up sanctions on north korea after a provocative new missile launch. for the first time since new years day, the isolated regime test launched a missile overnight. it landed in the sea of japan, but we now know this one have the capability of hitting anywhere in the u.s.. nbc's monica alba is on this for us and at the white house. monika, good to talk to you. give us the reaction, if you will, from the administration. i understand also, this launch comes just days before joint military drills between the u.s. and south korea. >> exactly, yasmin. these are annual and routine military exercises, and it was north korea that said that they viewed this as a threat so they were going to come out with a show of force and apparently, this is what it was. the u.s. has strongly condemned this move and they have also said in the same statement that there was no immediate threat. they were very quick to point that out, that they still say

this underscores the recklessness with which north korea has been acting. last year, they fired off an unprecedented number of missiles. you are right. there hasn't been won since january 1st. so, this was notable. again, the u.s. assessing this as a moment to really stand with allies, and that is why you saw secretary of state blinken, who is in germany right now, for the munich security conference, standing alongside our counterparts in south korea and japan, speaking about the three of them would like to continue to call on countries that could do more to sanction north korea in response to this. the secretary of state saying country sat have influence with north korea should use it to move it from the course has been on now for the last couple of years. what is notable here is that of course, the u.s. has done its own sanctions enforcement, they would like other countries to step up to the plate. this does come at a moment where the white house is closely monitoring all of this kind of activity. again, it says there is no necessary cause for alarm, even

though, of course, in japan and south korea, when those close allies feel this potential threat, it's a very different conversation. so, the u.s. is going to do everything it can, it's, has to assure them it will help provide any strategic partnership here as they continue to deal with this issue, gaza. >> all right, monica alba with us. i do want to go to munich and the security conference happening there. nbc news national correspondent, courtney standing by for us. you heard monica's reporting there. of course, you heard from secretary of state tony blinken. with that, as i mentioned, earlier, japanese defense minister saying, based on calculations, the entire u.s. could be within range of this latest missile test for north korea. talk more, if you will, courtney, about the reaction we're hearing from leaders at that conference beyond, of course, the united states. >> so, it's been widespread condemnation. the reason there is that estimate it could reach somewhere in the neighborhood of 14,000 kilometers as because when they fire off a missile,

testing this was likely, and icbm tests. they will also -- often fire it up high in the sky, and it comes back down. it is an analysis that how long could it have actually flown, if it went in a different trajectory? also, they factor in the factor of the warhead, how much could it way? when you factor all that in, the fact it could have flown 14,000 kilometers, as the japanese defense ministry said, is quite alarming for an icbm launch. as -- a, say it's a couple of hours since this happened, i saw the number of officials here, and there's been widespread condemnation. there is an assumption or assessment among the officials i spoke with that this is probably something that was done because number one, there are a lot of leaders here in the world stage right now, and north korea tends to do these kinds of things when they want some attention. number two, because of these coming join u.s. and south korean military drills. those often elicit a response, or even a preemptive response,

before they start from north korea. those seem to be the two most likely scenarios people here are talking about, yasmin. >> absolutely right. can we talk about vice president kamala harris and her address, as well? we played a little bit earlier, at the start of the show, i do want to play a bit more if we can. and her warning, really, to moscow. >> the united states has formally determined that russia has committed crimes against humanity. and i say, to all those who have perpetrated these crimes, and to their superiors, who are complicit in these crimes, you will be held to account. >> held to account, crimes against humanity. those are some pretty harsh

words there from the vice president on this world stage. it's their teeth behind it? >> yes, there seems to be. i will say it was an extremely dramatic and emotional speech that she gave. you could hear a pin drop at points when she was talking, particularly what he was talking about some of the more graphic and really brutal and difficult to hear details about some of these crimes that russian soldiers have been perpetrating, not against ukrainian military, even, but against ukrainian civilians. including women and children. so, i looked around, that one, point when she was talking, and there were people who were visibly emotional. she was speaking. but, this declaration, you may remember several months ago, last, year there was that he was declared that russia was guilty, or they believe russia is guilty, of war crimes. this is a step beyond that. basically, this is saying that russia is guilty of war crimes on a systemic, widespread level. i will say another theme we

have been seeing here since the beginning of this conference is the need for accountability. kamala harris is not the only one who has been speaking about it. allies, including here in germany, and others have been saying there needs to be some accountability. we have definitely been hearing that from the ukrainians, as well. so, the question is, is the really going to be any teeth behind this? it still is undetermined. but i will say, there's a lot of motivation here. to hold russia accountable for these things. >> as we talk about the accountability, and we're looking at a year here we have been inside this conflict that ukraine has been at war with moscow, and it does not seem that putin stopping despite the hundreds of thousands of people he have lost. he left in this war, within his own military, and losing also, it, seems domestic support is being reported. se ems domestic support i bewhat are the conversations tht are happening in order to get him to stop? we're, does that seem kind of out of the realm of possibility

at this point? >> there doesn't seem to be any motivation for him to stop. on the contrary, he is moving into this new enormous offensive. it's already underway right now. u.s. officials are saying they have been seeing mass troops on the other side of the border, and russia. there are some other officials and pretty but he -- may be a massive some of his air force. that could be a potential game-changer if he brings in his air force in any real way. that's not something we've seen since the invasion last year. you remember, early on, there was a briefing he was going to bring the air force in, he was going to take out ukrainian air defenses early on, and russia with on the skies. ukraine has been able to very ably move around their air defenses, move around their air forces, or their air force assets in ways that has not enabled russia to take the skies. it has been a contested airspace since the invasion. the concern here among a number of officials i've spoken with is that if they are able to employ their air force and any real way, that could be a

game-changer on the ground, now, that being said, the ukrainians still have a very effective air defense and that is one of the big topics here. continuing and in brussels, where i was earlier this week, continuing to supply air systems that need to defend, not just against ballistic missiles and drones, but also against any kind of potential, real use of their russian air forces against ukraine. >> all right, it's always good to see you, courtney. let's turn now, if we can, everybody, to ohio, where fema officials are now arriving on scene us the community of east palestine continues to cope with the after effects of the massive trained the relman and resulting chemical fire. it's a real -- from republican governor mike twine, who didn't need any federal assistance. -- it standing by for us there. george, good to talk to you. senator sherrod brown tweeted that he was the one who asked the white house for fema assistance. what more do we know about this team, and how in fact they plan

to help? >> yeah, so fema officials have been arriving. we have not seen -- it appears they are looking for a place to set up. a senior response official we on the ground and look at some of the roman sites, and as you mentioned, it was thought i wasn't going to happen. that was not that governor michael white has said fema did not say that the town qualified for any assistance and as you mentioned, it is sort of an about face not two weeks after the derailment, you have this federal agencies here. the governor during the press conference yesterday did note that even though they did not qualify for federal assistance they have filed some documentation with fema, so for whatever region, they're at least some documentation, some paperwork, so people here of east palestine will not be left hanging. here, behind me right now, i'm actually at a site operated by that train operator. people have been getting texts

from them, about $1, 000, we're, told the committee is saying they are committed to helping this community, so far they are saying they have shelled out somewhere in the neighborhood of $2 million for the residents. they expect to pay out a whole lot more. i don't know if you could see it here, there is that door with the assistance center earlier this morning. this building was packed with people, even before the doors opened yesterday the real people lined up around the building. we expect more of those scenes to play out during the coming days. i want you to take a listen, some of the concerns of the residents here. two weeks after the rail meant, what they are feeling and what they are feeling. >> i'm very concerned. it's very dangerous. it isn't okay. there is a lot that's happening that's not going on that tv. we're now following over dead or anything like that, by animals are getting sick, fish are dying. >> how -- healthwise, cancer? i mean, is this going to be a big cancer cluster? in 5 to 10 dials, will i walk

my daughter down the aisle? bill i see her get married? what's going to happen? >> wow. wow. >> as we can hear, you can hear the fear. you can hear a lot of residents are still concerned. many of them still worried about their water quality again, officials are saying it is safe, yasmin. >> it's probably not necessarily having the resources to move elsewhere what it's happening against their own community. that specific fear the last one we heard, front was just astounding to think that is the reality right now and that the serengeti answers they need. george soliz, thank you. coming up in our next hour, everybody, we are going to talk about who should be held accountable in this disaster, with representative andré carson of indiana, who serves on the house transportation committee. plus, later on, epa edmund sir michael regan joins symone sanders-townsend, that is today on simone, at 4 pm, at eastern. still ahead, though, this hour. >> they didn't even have the courage to look at me in my face at what they did to my son.

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let's start in mississippi. six people are dead after the nation's latest mass shooting. it happened in a small, rural town, just south of the state border from memphis. the president releasing this short statement of her time ago while he and the first lady are mourning the victims, thoughts and prayers are not enough. congress must act now on gun violence. nbc's morgan -- is standing by with more on this. good to talk to you, walk us, will if you -- walk us through what you are learning this afternoon, and they understand the gunman filed shots in multiple locations. >> yes, that's right. investigators say that makes part of this ongoing investigation difficult to piece together as they try to build out this tragic timeline. we do know that 52 year old richard crime is in custody, and he is being held without bond. he has already been charged with first degree murder. more charges could follow, and authorities say, however, this all began friday around 11 am, yasmin. that is where they sacrum

approached a convenience store in that small town of arkabutla, and opened fire, killing a man inside a pick up truck. from there, they went to another location, that they are still investigating, where four people were found dead. among those four victims, yasmin, were the gunman's stepfather and stepfather's sister, and two other men, a third location was also involved here, yasmin. that's where authorities say this 52-year-old gunman killed his ex wife and wounded his ex wife's current husband, who had this to say following that encounter. >> he pulled right up, her, he busted into the house, her front door. and i wrestled with him, i lost, as you can see. but my wife lost more. >> this town, only a few

hundred strong. you can imagine the impact the shooting is having their. we are told that this gunman was armed with a shotgun and two handguns. as of last check, yasmin, his motive is still unknown. >> wow. morgan chesky, thank you. we want to go now to michigan. memorial service there are happening today for three students shot dead at michigan state university earlier this week. funeral services for sophomore, brian fraser, and junior alexandria verner were held this morning, while a vigil for arielle anderson also it's set for this afternoon. their funeral is scheduled for tuesday. having been laid to rest, these three young people, jessica kerch and -- in the campus of michigan state, east lansing. also joining us, democrat when -- i want to start with you, jessica. talk about the community. how are they dealing, especially today, as they have

memorials and ra these young ones who lost their lives so tragically? >> yeah, yasmin, beyond those three events you just mentioned, there are people gathering here on campus. you have seen this throughout the day. they have been standing silently, paying their respects. some people even flowers. you could see the memorial here at the spartan statue growing. that is the university mascot. this is a notable location. i have seen people here taking graduation photos in the past, which gives you an idea. i think everyone can relate to that. that spot on their campus where you take a photo. graduation, that is something you hold on to for years, decades to come. that's what here on this campus has become a growing memorial, excuse, me growing memorial to the lives lost. there are still five students in the hospital, at last word, four in critical condition. one, however, operated to stable condition. that is promising news. in this community, while they continue to be morning, it's moving more towards some sense of a new normal. there is a women's basketball,

excuse me, a women's basketball game tipping off within the hour. we will be looking for tributes there. the, and the men's team visits instate rival, the university of michigan, for a basketball game tonight. more tributes are expected there. all of this is happening as classes are set to resume here on monday, yasmin. >> wow. all right, jesse, coach gonna let you go. thank, you. jesse senator banks, thanks for joining us on this. we appreciate it. i cannot stand to see the faces of those young people who lost their lives so tragically yet again in this country, at another mass shooting, which it's happening, it seems, on a daily basis. it's not personal to me necessarily. i know it's personal to you, though. you have a daughter at michigan state university. how are you dealing in the aftermath of this? how is she doing? >> she's doing really well. all things considered, it was a really, really rough night on monday night, just having that sense of dread for hours at a time. the whole incident lasting so

long, not really knowing where the gunman was. everybody was feeling pretty vulnerable. >> i can only imagine, especially when you are a parents of a student on that campus. so, i think the question now is especially when you are a lawmaker, what are you going to do about it? what can be done inside this legislature? in michigan right now, you've got the democratic governor, a democratic legislature, as well, and we've seen consistent report from the public going back to last year. a statewide poll, i want to push this up there from november, two thirds of michiganders say they approve of stricter gun laws. two thirds! that is pretty consistent with what we are seeing across the country on a national level. will this time be any different? >> yes, it absolutely will. this is the first time in 40 years we have controlled both houses of the legislature, and as senate majority leader, i get to set the agenda of what gets a vote in the state

senate. this will most certainly get their vote. we introduced bills on thursday and there is a set of ten bills that would establish universal background checks. we would implement extreme risk protection orders. and there is a multitude of other policies that we could pursue in the future, but we are going to start there. they are both incredibly well supported among our constituents, and the urgency of this situation has really created an environment where we think we can get votes done immediately. we're hoping for bipartisan support, but if we don't get it, at this, point in our history, we don't need it. we will get it done. >> talk to me about that. when it comes to bipartisan support, i know there is always this hope of getting things like this past in a bipartisan manner, so you can come forward and say both republican and democratic legislatures support this. have you been speaking to folks on the other side of the aisle to try to get with an, as you

talk about the timing of it and having it be quite? what does that look like, and what does it mean if, in fact, you get this ten bill package passed when they will actually be instituted? >> we have been talking to republicans about supporting common sense, changes to the law regarding to impacting gun violence for ten years. the entire time i have been in the legislature. so, this is not a new topic. they know where we are going with this. we asked for cosponsors on those bills, just on thursday, we did not get any. but we will continue forward, having hearings next week, and we will move through the process to get those into the agenda to vote on. they will have an opportunity to show their support. we know they are hearing from constituents in their districts that are very interested in seeing them support this. so, maybe some will come around. if they don't, again, we will move the bills and we will be able to get them to the governors desk. >> if you are looking at these ten bills from the universal

background checks to gun storage safety, which of these ten bills, if you had 2.2, are the most important to get across the finish line? >> so, those three topics are, you know, impacted by all of those bills. i think they are all equally important in some ways. we believe that the safe storage policy, for example, could have made a difference in the shooting that occurred at the high school 15 months ago, in oxford, right here in michigan. but these bills are not just about the incident that happened on msu campus or about oxford. they are about all of the ways that gun violence impacts people, and we believe these can make a difference in a very broad way. so, we are going to start with those three policies. there's a lot of other things we can do. we will use the full power of all the policies that we can impact, as well as the state budget, to make sure that we can keep our kids safer. >> yeah, at michigan state senator, winnie brinks, we gotta stop seeing those pictures of those young people

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the florida bill, the don't say gay bill. basically, what it says when you shouldn't be able to talk about gender before third grade. i'm sorry, i don't think that goes far enough! [applause] >> okay, i want to bring in nbc's marissa carr as well -- republican strategist an msnbc political analyst, basil smikle, democratic strategist and former executive director of the new york state democratic party. welcome to. all i want to start with the one on this. haley seems reluctant to take on her former boss. apparently, she has no problem going after rhonda santa's, who seems to be number two in the polls right about now. painting him as being soft on the culture war. what is behind this strategy, from what you're learning? >> we are only a couple of days into her campaign trail,? right on make sense when you look at the polling. you just referenced it. take a look at the latest from quinnipiac.

when you look, he is 42% for former president donald trump. and then 36% for governor ron desantis, not far behind. he has not even running yet. and haley, a dismal 5%. listen, she is still third. she still has a lead on. pence these are still early, early days, but i think those polling numbers are so telling here, because she is trying to be careful. she is the first republican to challenge trump, something she originally said she would not do. remember, he is also her former boss. she was the united nations ambassador under the trump administration, and so she has made comments about the need for a competency tests for any candidate over the age of 75, both president biden and former president trump, both are over the age of 75. she has been really careful not to attack trump by name. in fact, in an exclusive interview with craig melvin, she spoke very highly of her former boss. >> i think he was a good president. i think there were a lot of

policies he did the i agreed with. there was so much that he did that was good. what i'm talking about -- >> why not support him this time? >> because i think we need to have a new generation! i think we have to leave the status quo. i think we have to lead the old issues behind and four republicans, we have lost the last seven out of eight popular votes for president. it means republicans need to do something different. >> and yasmin, you had mentioned that soft jab at governor desantis during the town hall just a couple of days ago. even after that, in an interview with fox news, she still said she thinks desantis has been a good governor. so, clearly, trying to thread a very fine needle here. you saw that poll. she is trying to differentiate herself. she is talking about how she is an indian american woman, how she says may the best woman when, while also not trying to polarize women. very clearly and important basis. >> marissa parra for us, thank you. great to see you, guys. >> oh my gosh!

>> it's like old times. >> get the game back together again. >> exactly. it seems to me with nikki haley, and i'll have you on on this. she doesn't necessarily no which lane to pick. he knows she's a republican,? right? she knows where she's running. she doesn't know what issues she is running on. >> yeah, it's really fascinating. i actually understand, i think why she picked on ron desantis a little bit, because she thinks she wanted to look good in front of donald trump. donald trump will be happy another candidate's picking on ron desantis. so, that could have been her little way of answering against donald trump, well, we'll see. i'm still not convinced shall actually be on the ballot, that's another story. that's the thing about nikki haley's her lane should be that center right lane. the republicans who gave up on trump in 2020, certainly did not support his candidate c in 2022, that is where she should

be. new hampshire is still the first state that republicans are going to, and there may not be a democratic primary, which means all of the independent voters in new hampshire are only going to be able to vote in the republican primary, if they choose to vote. that is where she should make her lane for a strong finish in new hampshire, that will help solidify her candidacy. however, it seems like she is dialing into the hate wars and the culture wars, it is really hate wars. she is fighting for a new generation of hate! i don't get it? >> it's like hate to point. no senator right,, though with that you can do it? let's bring up those poll numbers. i believe this is the second's poll take. and she was at 3% in another poll that we showed early on in the week, hello, i believe, it was the former vice president. she is not in a good spot, sure. she is at 5% now, above some other folks. compare that to former

president donald trump around desantis. 42 and 36. center right. is that really going to give her a bump? >> i think, to susan's point, that is why she should. there's a point, to, about the primary schedule in new hampshire. i would add to that, i think about two very basic things. authenticity and differentiation. she is moving very far to the right. why not for somebody who is already there? tell me why i need to vote for you, if there are other people who are already there, including ron desantis, who actually, as governor, implemented a lot of those policies and got elected, rewarded by voters for it. number one, and number, to differentiation. who are you relative to donald trump and ron desantis? that lane, that susan talks about, i would say is wide open. why not be a republican actually chooses to stake oppositions, were a good putt chunk of the country's? but she's not doing that. this awkwardness on race that she raised, so early in the campaign, i don't know that a

woman will see her and says, i'm very clear about where you stand, and you are a clear alternative. i just don't see it. >> can we talk quickly about mitt romney? over the last week or so, he has essentially said, i'm not going to be in trump's camp. he has made that perfectly clear. when also asked, okay, are you going to vote for president joe biden, if he runs again? he says, not really going to do that. he has also gone on to say he feels like a foreign -- former president has a better chance of winning the nomination if it is a bigger field. with all of what mitt romney is saying, and i'll have you both weigh in on, this is there a chance romney could get back in? >> i don't think romney is going back in. i don't think he would want to, because i think he hates this type of hateful politics. he wanted to be in governing. he wanted governance. that is what he's doing. now, he's a legislature, which is great for him. that's the way he wants to be. and he does not want to go back into the harsh political fray.

>> why do you think donald trump is not going to be on the ballot, and you you agree with her? >> i'm skeptical as to whether or not he will be on the ballot. you could see it more purple, which you could see -- on the ballots. >> that's different! that's a whole another segment. >> he makes a realistic point! [inaudible] it's absolutely, it could happen. and the reality is, if he wins a president, the entire campaign, the entire republican party, is going to be a wash. awash in donald trump scandal. i don't know that the party, imagine, the party doesn't want that. they already know what a drag he could be on the ticket. do you want another year and a half, two years, of that? you are trying to get other candidates on the ballot, trying to get the senate back. i don't know if you want. that >> the only way the senate doesn't flip in 2024 to republican is if donald trump is on the ballot. >> i wonder if we are underestimated how much, if an effect, the midterm elections has had on the bus republican party. what effect --

>> probably legal concerns. my number one guess. he makes a deal that he won't necessarily get prosecuted for things if he doesn't seek federal office, that's possible. or, he knows you can only lose. if he knows he will lose, then he is not going to run. >> that's a risk. >> susan del percio, basil smikle, free to see you guys always. i hope you guys come back soon. i hate being alone in the studio. thanks, guys. all right, up next, the mother of tyre nichols calling out the five former officers charged in her son's death for what they would not do, in court. we are live in memphis. we will be right back. l be right back.

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of her son, tyre nichols. nbc's priscilla thompson is standing by for us with more on this. talk us through. i was watching this court proceeding live. you saw all the five officers lined up there. you saw benjamin crump along with tyre nichols's mother and father behind them. it must have been incredibly emotional for them. >> yeah, yasmin. i was in that courtroom. it was very emotional. we saw the family of tyre nichols come in. they were very stoic. the entire time, they sat near the front of that courtroom, and asked those five officers came in, they were all wearing masks. so, you weren't able to see a lot of emotion in their faces. they all entered those not guilty pleas through their attorneys. so, we didn't hear them speak at all. this hearing only lasted about five minutes. so, after five minutes, it was all over. what we did see us after the hearing ended, the family, the parents of tyre nichols, came out and spoke to reporters about what it was like inside

that courtroom for them. his mother said she felt numb as she sat there and came face to face with the man accused of murdering her son. i want to play a little bit more about what she had to say about that moment. take a listen. >> i want each and every one of those police officers to be able to look at me in the face. they haven't done that yet. they couldn't even do that today. they didn't even have the courage to look at me in my face after what they did to my son. so, they are going to see me at every court date, every one. >> exactly. >> until we get justice for my son. >> while we didn't see any emotion from those five former officers, while they were in court, we did hear from their attorneys after the proceeding. one of their attorney saying

yes, there should be justice for tyre nichols, but there should also be justice for his client and calling adventure that this would be a fair trial. i also had an opportunity to speak with the attorney for type areas -- who told me he feels like there is more to see in this case, there is more that is going to come out, and he urged the public and others against a rush to judgment. he feels there has been a rush to judgment, and some of these charges may not have been warranted. of course, we are now waiting to see how all of that is going to play out in the criminal court process. all five of those attorneys did file their motions for discovery yesterday. so, they should be getting their hands on all of the investigative materials, they will begin reviewing as they work to prepare this case for trial. and all of these officers are expected back in court on may 1st for the next hearing. yasmin? ma 1st for the nextso a thompson f. do you still ahead, the latest on the devastation in turkey and syria.

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this week's georgia special grand jury, possible evidence and perjury by one or more witnesses. who testified before. it's a special grand jury was investigating election interference by then president donald trump and his allies. the 2020 election results in georgia. the report had extensive redactions as the judge wants to protect the due process rights of under investigation. we got this, glenn welcome to you by the. a nine-page report introduction

summation very redacted. and then evidence of essentially what seems to be the grand jury predicting one of the witnesses live under oath. what were some of your major takeaways from this as we look to expect an answer from fulton county da fani willis about possible charges? >> yasmin, as you say, this is a highly redacted report and yet there are some pretty important justice bread crumbs for us to follow. there are actually three pretty significant revelations. the first is that the grand jury concluded as a factual manner that there was no fraud undermining the georgia election in 20. 20 that's good because it does put the lie to the donald trump's ask of donald raffensperger's just signed the 11,780 votes. the second is, as you, mentioned the grand jury said one or more people we believe lied to us. that is important because it

gives fani willis elaborated. she gets up to those witnesses and potentially indict them for perjury. for obstruction of justice, lying to the grand jury and accessory after the fact. because those lies made the effect of having donald trump get away with his crimes. that is the ex-very definition of excess we have the. back then probably the most important reveal and the one that is most ominous for donald trump is as one sentence in the grand jury report. when they say, we set forth through the corridor recommendations on indictments and relevant statues inferential relevant statues violated. and then that there is page after page after page of redactions. what does that tell us? well. those pages probably contain that names and the statues filed of all of the people, at the grand jury found enough evidence to indict. so, it feels like this really is a pretty significant step in the direction of indictments.

>> so, we don't know the direction of honeywell. as we know about a month or so ago, and we kind of tease this and talked about a lot about this. that she had said she was gonna have an announcement eminently. it's one of the reasons why the judge in this case essentially said, you can release these nine pages. fully redacted but nothing more or a very redacted but nothing more. especially because we have not heard the decision from the fulton county da on that. i want to read for you though some expectations that new york times put forward word about how possibly that da might go about this. saying it is time to prepare for a possible trump indictment. fani lewis, the fulton county da may present the case as a simple and streamlined one or in a more sweeping fashion, success is more likely assured in the simpler approach. but the fact that the redact data port has eight sections, suggest a broader approach is conceivable. what do you make of that. >> i have my own opinion.

about whether it is smarter to bring a narrow focused tailored case, and easy charge for example, of soliciting election fraud in violation of georgia law. based on that corrupt phone call that we have all heard. or, a larger more comprehensive case, the more complex case, more difficult to prove perhaps. like a rico case. racketeer influence and corrupt organizations. i would urge the district attorney, who is very experienced and successful in bringing the larger rico cases, to bring that kind of a case. why, because that gives the jury the power of context if you bring all of the crimes and all of the defendants who participated in those crimes before the jury rather than having them just focus on one that narrow sliver of donald trump's potentially criminal conduct. the power of context can be overstated. >> gwen kershner, thank you. good to talk to. you all right, coming up in our next hour, everybody.

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