♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening, and welcome to politicsnation. tonight's lead -- trials and tribulations. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> right now, it's been another busy week for me and the country, including the mass shooting that claimed the lives of three young people at

michigan state university, naming several others, most of whom remain in critical condition. today, funeral services were held for two of the slain msu students, and in just a minute, i will talk to a michigan congresswoman with her reaction to this tragedy, which was on my mind even as i was marching in florida on wednesday, joining a peoples protest against the state's governor, ron desantis, and his escalating war on black history. it was while i was on the ground in florida that i got word that the shooter who massacred nearly a dozen black shoppers at a buffalo supermarket two years ago had been sentenced to life in prison without parole. later, i learned that all five of the former memphis police officers charged with murder, murdering tyre nichols had pled

not guilty. i thought about tyre's mother and her grief, and i also thought about so many grieving mothers in other parts of the world right now. as turkey and syria recover from the massive earthquake that has now killed more than 40,000 people. a humanitarian organization move in to provide relief to the thousands injured, and millions left homeless. chef josé andrés will be here in a moment to tell us how he's feeling the -- a lot on my mind this week. a lot to cover tonight on politicsnation. so, let's get started. joining me now is congresswoman debbie dingell, democrat of michigan and how senior wet with. congresswoman, i want to quickly start with some breaking news this afternoon, former president jimmy carter has elected to begin receiving hospice care at home. according to a statement released by his foundation this

afternoon, carter is 98 years old. i know that you and your late husband had many dealings with president carter over your years and public service. i've encountered him several times. can you give us your thoughts about him? >> you know, post presidency, his legacy, he cared about our community. giving so much back to the world of politics. the significance of humanity -- and you know, i'm gonna look back -- [inaudible] he defeated jerry ford. i think jerry ford and jimmy carter were two men that believed in public service. and we need more people that understand the importance of public service. and we pray for the carter family and for the former

president. but we try to learn from these great men, as we look forward for future generations. >> well, i join you in praying for him and his family, and certainly over the years, when i would encounter him, he was always kind, and had great advice, fatherly advice, to me. let me also, say congresswoman, let me go to this, and i want to offer my condolences to the families of three michigan state students who lost their lives in this week's mass shooting, as well as the five students wounded. now, governor whitmer has called on fellow democrats and the state legislature to use their slim authorities to pass new gun safety laws, announcing policing the alleged gunman used to firearms, he was able to obtain legally despite a prior weapons conviction. do you think this tragedy can be a catalyst for change? >> you know, reverend, i have

to tell you. i believe it will be a catalyst for change in michigan because we do have slimmest ortiz. but how many times have we seen these kinds of senseless, these mass shootings? how many have we had let alone this year? [inaudible] i thought that was gonna be the turning point. i thought our young people were gonna be the voices that somebody could listen to. at the federal level, we'll come back to washington. we will make a lot of noise. but i don't know what it's gonna take for the people to understand this has to stop. there is no other country like this, in america, or in michigan -- we need background checks, more stricter gun laws -- [inaudible] but at the federal level, i'm not gonna lie. i don't know -- what we can give up. i say to young people, be our

voices. be your faith. get out there and demand change. someday, i hope we will get that. >> no question about it. we cannot give up our lives are literally at stake. congresswoman, i want to get your reaction to this. the vice president at the munich security conference in germany earlier today, joined by secretary of state anthony blinken, addressing that gathering just a few days ahead of that one year anniversary of russia's invasion on ukraine. take a listen. >> in the case of russia's actions in ukraine, we have examined the evidence. we know the legal standards. and there is no doubt these are crimes against humanity.

[applause] >> congresswoman, what do those charges, crimes against humanity -- what does it mean for russia on the world stage, and what do you make -- what do you make of nbc reporting that the u.s. believes china is giving nonlethal aid to russia's military to use in ukraine? >> reverend, i am worried about the world right now. i know that many of our countries and allies are deeply disturbed by what they've seen happen in ukraine. and i think many of our allies all recognize that we are fighting for democracy everywhere, but i think this security of the world, our own national security, we need to be very concerned about what's happening. i think we all want to use diplomacy. we do not want to see violence

escalate in any place in the world. but i think we are living in very dangerous times where i would hope people could learn from history. we need to pay attention to what's happening. and by the way, in america, we should not be divided. a michigan senator said many years ago, politics should stop at our borders. and this is a time that we need to be united in the united states of america, in protecting our national security. >> let me get your thoughts on this, a train operated by norfolk southern derailed outside of detroit thursday, just two weeks after another one of the companies trains derailed in in east palestine, ohio, resulting in a fire and a chemical spill. thankfully, there is no evidence hazardous materials were released in the detroit incident, but the cdc officials

are headed to ohio to assess the possible harm to people in that community. as a member of congress, sitting on both the energy and commerce and the natural resources committees, how should private companies be held responsible for these recent accidents, and what should the government be doing to prevent future accidents? >> so, there are a number of issues here. first of all, that train that you saw, it wasn't the heart of my district this week. on the phone, i was speaking -- i didn't even know that it had happened. there have been one cart in that train that ended up not derailing, but had had liquid chlorine in it. it did not escape. but i immediately had questions about why didn't happen, how do we make sure our communities are safe. and it can't keep happening. here is the reality, we, in our country, have ignored our infrastructure for far too long,

our roads, our bridges, and train tracks, they're part of our infrastructure. we have to maintain them. i do believe that the train companies have got a responsibility here. and by the way, the zone impacted by the company, and then the train itself that was on it. we, in congress, have been looking at this, asking questions. i was asking a lot of questions, though, i got asked if i would put my pressure on hold because of what was happening in ohio. now, the community i represent was safe that day, but i've had more than ten chemical spills at my district in the last couple of years, ones that have been close to being in flammable like this one in ohio. our communities are at risk. if we've got different agencies with different responsibilities, the epa has gone into ohio, and is trying to manage what's going on there. but d.o.t. and the railroad administration have got to be overlooking these train companies. we have to ask questions and stop these kinds of things that

have been happening. and it's a bipartisan infrastructure bill, that we need to start investing in our infrastructure. but we're not investing in train infrastructure. >> all right, thank you, as always, congresswoman debbie dingell. for michigan to arizona, joining me now is the governor of arizona for katie hobbs. governor, let us start with your states budget. there is day, you vetoed a so-called skinny proposal for the republican legislature. instead, you're calling for a plan that is roughly 1.5 billion dollars larger and includes money for housing to homeless, child tax credits, and other social spending programs. when, where does this fight go next? >> well, the budget has always been a negotiating process in our state. and that republican led legislature this year decided they didn't want to do that. their budget did not do anything to reflect the

priorities of our state. the issues that we are facing right now, like my budget does. i understand, i'm not gonna get everything i want in the budget. but we need to come to the table together to address the issues we are facing as a state, making arizona more affordable, investing in our public schools, and addressing our housing housing crisis. so, i vetoed the budget bill last thursday, and again reiterated my invitation to come to the table and negotiate, so we can tackle the issues we are facing together. >> on wednesday, you told a group of undocumented students you want to allocate $40 million of the states budget to create a promise for dreamers, scholarship program, that would help them pay for tuition and in any of arizona's three public universities. why is this such an important issue to you? >> well, this is right in mind with the will of voters, in

passing a ballot measure this last election in 2022 that would give dreamers instate tuition at our colleges and universities. and there already is an existing promised scholarship program for arizona students. our budget proposes an increase to that program that would provide opportunity for 10,000 additional students. and then, we added this promise, promised scholarship for dreamers, which would provide those dreamers, who are also arizona students, the same kind of opportunity and accessibility for higher education. even with the instate tuition, we still experience multiple barriers, and don't have access to the same kind of financial aid that students, who are arizona students born in arizona, have. so, this levels the playing field, and gives them those opportunities. >> arizona is still dealing with the fallout from the big lie, including conspiracy theories about dominion voting machines, which we used without incident in many states,

including yours. court court filings in the case dominion has brought against fox news and fox news shows, it shows the network were privately skeptical about many of the 2020 election fraud claims, even as they were promoting them on the air. you saw the impact of the stolen election narrative in arizona. what is your reaction to these revelations? >> well, at the very least, it is utterly irresponsible for folks who are in a position that holds public trust, such as a national news anchor, knowingly spreading false information. and this is -- this is false information that has undermined the integrity of our elections, undermined our democracy, lead to attacks like the january 6th insurrection on our capitol, and lead to threats against

election workers. for the past two plus years, those of us who are focused on governing and moving forward, we need to move on, and we need folks to stop spreading the big lie. and those who know better, and those who are in positions of public trust in need to be held accountable for doing this. >> before i let you go, the formal fellow governor nikki haley, this week going for campaign for president, during an announcement, haley's called her record as governor of south carolina touched upon her indian american heritage, and talked about the need for generational change in politics. of course, we all so know about the republicans connections to former president trump, including serving as his ambassador to the united nations. what is your take on haley's candidacy? >> well, we are coming off of a

tough election, a very short transition period to get my office up and running, and i am focused on governing for the state of arizona. i have not -- who we thought about the presidential election. and so, really don't have any other comments about that. >> why do i get the feeling he was expecting that question? thank you for being with us, arizona governor katie hobbs. coming up -- a teachable moment with an unspeakable tragedy. what the buffalo shooting can tell us about the hidden dangers of raising black history. but first, my colleague richard lui, with today's top news stories. richard? >> rev, a very good saturday to you. some of the stories we're watching. former u.s. president jimmy carter saying he will start hospice care at home. the 90-year-old former president have put out a statement through his foundation, saying that after a series of short hospital stays, he wants to spend more time at home with his family. we're watching that. nbc news reporting exclusively

though as believes china may be providing non lethal military assistance to russia in the war with ukraine. this could include the offensive like uniforms or even body armor. next week marks the one year anniversary of russia's invasion of ukraine. and the first funerals for the students killed in the week's mass shooting at michigan state university were held today. 20-year-old sophomore brian fraser and 20 year old junior alexandria verner were both later rest in the suburbs outside of detroit. a funeral for the third victim was killed set for next week. the alleged gunman himself was killed following the shootings on monday. more politicsnation, with reverend al sharpton, right after the spray. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ rgies don't have to be scary. (screaming) defeat allergy headaches fast with new flonase headache and allergy relief! two pills relieve allergy headache pain? and the congestion that causes it! flonase headache and allergy relief. psst! psst! all good!

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traveled to florida to protest efforts by governor ron desantis to erase black history. i prayed alongside reverend dr. holmes junior, state senator shevrin jones, and the bishop rudolph mackenzie junior, and hundreds of marchers to push back against republicans canceling a proposed high school level course, for daring to include discussion of the movement for black lives, intersectionality, and structural racism in its curricula. meanwhile, in upstate new york, a life sentence was being handed down to the gunmen who murdered ten black people at a buffalo grocery store last may. during statements from families who are still grieving for the loss of their loved ones, i heard something that made a powerful impression on me. take a listen. >> she was intelligent.

she was a teacher. she was my best friend. you decided -- you don't know a thing about black people. we're human. how can we let our kids go to school. we love our kids. >> that was barbara massey, the sister of 72-year-old katherine massey that, killed while shopping for groceries. kathryn dedicated her life to teaching, and in a different world, she might be preparing lessons in black history for her students today, and as kat 's sister makes clear, it was a lack of understanding that contributed to the buffalo shooters of violent acts. we know from his lengthy rant online that the gunman was driven by the kind of wild conspiracy theories about a racial or ethnic group, that

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chef josé andrés, head of world central kitchen. chef josé andrés, it is past when i am where you are in turkey, some very thankful for you to join us at this late hour. you started your relief response into cities near the epicenter of the earthquake, with a simple delivery of just water and sandwiches. and i know that you just returned from a visit in syria. how has the operation changed since you first arrived in the area? >> well, let me tell you very quickly, we expanded to more than 17 cities, and many other small towns. we are distributing more than 250 different distribution points. we are in the main ten cities where it has been total destruction. and right now, we are doing

around 300,000 meals per day. we are about to reach 2 million meals. and what i can say is one thing, the people of turkey thrown in the middle, restaurants, anybody that could cook, they have been providing meals to every single person that lost their home. i think the wall every country has to learn about how well the turkish people tried to take care of people after an emergency. i'm very proud that we have been able to join hundreds of turkish people that are working with us, being our eyes, because who better than the locals to know where the need is. for world central kitchen, that is very valuable. after the last 13 years -- i'm very, very blessed and proud that we've been partnering with them, on top of for many days now, expanding our effort inside syria, which

i will say that community as a whole has somehow forgotten those poor people that after this lengthy war that they've been having for years, they've been badly affected by an earthquake, and with no help. right now, we are doing around 30, 000, 40,000 meals a day inside syria. that's why i went today to visit the operations, and ihh, our partner, an amazing ngo, has been taking care and providing relief efforts in syria. >> and that's what you do -- on that point, you and i have worked together in the past, for example during the coronavirus pandemic, distributing food to the needy in harlem, new york. i mean, your organization, known to have a system where everywhere you go, you identify local restaurants and community partners, like you did with us. you support local products, work with local chefs, local food providers, and local

organizations. but how difficult is it when this case, when the whole cities have been wiped out? >> really, it's been difficult because we need to make sure the our teams are safe. and that's why we were always getting help from different people, engineers that were making sure that the buildings we were trying to activate as kitchens. we have 40 restaurant partners, but on the top of that, we have eight kitchens that the world central kitchen has been able to open with different partners and different cities. we needed to make sure that those buildings were safe. those hotels where we are sleeping, sometimes living in a car or in a truck, or sometimes living with ten other people in a university dorm, places that were safe for us to know that even as many aftershocks -- we just received an email from

a group of our team members that they were staying in a place that had a 5.4 aftershock. and we're always careful to make sure that everybody is safe. but, again, we've been taking this very seriously, with a lot of precautions. and the buildings we are operating from, we can say that they are safe to perform our humanitarian duties. >> i must ask you as well about the crisis in ukraine, as we mark the one year anniversary of the war, how is your operation they're going? what is the main challenge a year into this conflict? >> well, once again world central kitchen has sent many operations. one day, within hours of the war, beginning in the invasion of russia in ukraine, we began performing our duties. very quickly, we saw that the help was needed inside ukraine. since then, we have already reached 205 million meals.

we are not at the same level of meals we were in the first six months. we reached 1.5 million meals per day, with 550 restaurants, and many warehouses that were able to do food bags to deliver to people in rural areas, in the absence of supermarkets and others. right now, we are doing roughly around 150 to 200,000 meals a day, mainly near the cities and towns here, near the front lines, which is still one of the most difficult areas. i'm very proud of world central kitchen, with an army of chefs, were able to provide food relief to those committees, communities that are somehow in the limbo. and we make sure that people who cannot leave, for a number of issues, we make sure that food is not an issue. and hopefully, this war ends, and russia leaves ukraine, and the green people can celebrate their freedom and democracy. >> yes, i'm gonna let you go to get some sleep, but i have to

ask you this, because i know that you do such good work. we are proud of you and the world central kitchen, what you've done in harlem and the other places during the covid-19 pandemic, and buffalo after the massacre over there. and so, i know on the ground what you do. what can people watch, watching around the country, due to help with what you're doing in syria, as well as in ukraine. what could people do to help aid world central kitchen? >> well, obviously, donating to world central kitchen through wcc dot org, food is something of interest to you. but there are many other needs. for those organizations, very often, local organizations who are amazed, sometimes people are unaware, so we tell everybody, if you need support in health, hospitals, just find those organizations that are doing a good job inside turkey or inside syria.

like i mentioned before, the ihh, that for me right now is one of my favorite ngos to support those people that have boots on the ground, and every day they're showing you what they're doing in realtime. those are the types of organizations. but at the same time, reverend, we know it's a lot in our own homes, and our own country, in our own neighborhoods. in the end, i don't believe we need to take care of our own, but i think it's very important, too, that we take care of those other people around the world very often have much less than us. so, you know, in many ways, there's many ways to collaborate, sometimes volunteering, sometimes sending $1 is one of the many ways that we can all be part of creating a better tomorrow. >> thank you so much, chef josé andrés. blaise, go get some sleep there in turkey. coming up, residents in eastern ohio are looking for assistance

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democratic congresswoman donna edwards. and former republican congressman david jolly. let me start with this, next week, former president trump is expected to travel to east palestine, ohio, to meet with community members weeks after a train derailment that led to a fire and chemical spill. now, many in the area have complained of coughs and chest pains since the accident. and at least half a dozen class action suits have been filed. david, since trump announced his third campaign for president, and he's largely ignored other tragedies, such as the death of tyre nichols at the hands of memphis police, or the mass shootings in monterey park, or half moon bay, california. why is he going now to the district? >> apparently, out of an abundance of bad faith, but rev,

he also knows that he will be able to grab a headline because there is some scrutiny right now of the biden administration from republicans and democrats. ironically, though, it is not actually around the failure to respond. the department of transportation, the epa, the ntsb were on the ground within hours after the accident. i think the void that donald trump is looking to fill is perhaps seen in the administration wasn't public enough and the response, realizing this was becoming a political issue in addition to his administrative and regulatory issues. so, and that vacuum, you see other candidates, statewide, out of the safety concerns of the residents, wanting to ensure the federal resources and state resources can actually be applied without political distraction. donald trump doesn't play by those rules, and in an abundance of bad faith, he's gonna show up in town, and try to create a political story around his campaign. >> donna, as david mentions, the epa administrator has visited ohio to surveil the

scene. and experts from the cdc and health department are headed there next week. that hasn't been enough for some local law makers and residents have criticized the administration's handling of the crisis, and especially transportation secretary pete buttigieg, who some say has been lackluster in his response. in your opinion, has the white house handled this situation appropriately? >> well, look, i think in most instances, when there's a natural disaster, or in this case, a human made disaster, half of the battle is in winning a public support because you show up. and so, i do think that the administration, while it's had people on the ground, that that is not entirely clear, even to the people in east palestine, or to the rest of the nation. and so, i think it's incumbent to make sure that that happens.

it looks like cdc and hhs, epa, any number -- even fema, which doesn't really have jurisdiction here, but giving some support to the local community, all of these things are important in making sure that you address the real concerns that citizens have over the quality of their water, their air, and their health. and i think it's important for the administration to continue to step up for the people in east palestine, as well as the surrounding area. but this is a really tough one because i think it's gonna take a long time to get two answers, to get to the bottom of this, and to make sure that in the long run, that people are not suffering health and other long term consequences, as a result of this disaster. >> david, former south carolina governor and ambassador to the united nations, we nikki haley,

announced this week she is running for president. the republican kicked off her campaign by trolling president biden and her former boss donald trump, with a proposal that cognitive test be given to politicians over age 75, what do you make of the haley campaign so far? >> i think age discrimination is a non wind to kick off your run for the presidency. what i will tell you about the republican primary, though, in my estimation, is the candidate who eventually gets the nomination is not the candidate that will be able to speak to college educated, middle to upper class white, suburban voters. it's going to be the candidate that can speak to the populist middle class, rural flyover state voters. nikki haley screams the former and not the latter, so i don't think she is going to find her place, her footing within the republican primary. however, that being said, if she proves herself to be a

viable candidate, she is a natural for perhaps a vp pick or cabinet pick. so, i think nikki haley knows she will make a run for it. maybe she's convinced she can move the party in her direction. i doubt that happens, but she will do so with so political viability, as she bows out,. >> not donald, on the democratic side marianne williamson -- poised to announce her second bid for the white house. -- put out a statement today, teasing a, quote, important announcement in march. so far, she's the only democrat openly talking about challenging president biden. should we take her potential candidacy seriously? >> well, look, i think that president biden already has the overwhelming support of the democratic party. marianne williamson, in my recollection, she didn't even finish in the new hampshire primary or iowa caucus. so, i'm not really quite sure what her starting point is or

what her rationale is, to run as a democrat. i think democrats have been incredibly united, both on capitol hill, but also around the president, and i don't see any problem to him walking towards the nomination, and i think marianne williamson or any other democrat who might challenge the president is going to be a blip on the screen. >> donna, before we go, i wanted to get your thoughts about jimmy carter, the 98-year-old former president who announced through his foundation he has decided to receive hospice care at home. i know the former president helped inspire you to get into politics as a teenager. can you share your thoughts about him? >> well, i love jimmy carter. i think, i was part of the peanut brigade as a freshman, and i think my professors at whitehorse university had a little bit of a consternation that it didn't spend as much

time in class, and spent a lot of time volunteering for the carter campaign. and he inspired me. he really helped me to frame my thinking about international issues, whether it's middle east peace, u.s. cuba relations, and i had the privilege of being able to meet him and share with him that i read one of my favorite books to my son, which was, a little baby snuggle flicker, which he wrote with amy carter. and it was about differences. and so, i really respect the former president, and he really defined what it means to have a post presidency. >> truly a gracious man whenever he would talk with him. thank you both, former congress members, donna edwards and damien -- up next, my final thoughts. we will be right back. we will be right back. we will be right back.

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and welcome to american voices. i'm polite ramos in for elite shipment and as. we start tonight with breaking news. the united states formally going there, accusing russia of committing crimes against humanity in ukraine. the bombshell was dropped today by vice president, kamala harris, during her address at the munich security conference. harris, a short time ago, saying that justice must be served. >> the united states has formally determined that russia has committed crimes against humanity.