>> all right, that's all the time i have for today. thank you for sticking around with me. tomorrow, michael steele will be here for more american voices. but for now, it's time for ayman, what's up,? >> hey pella, they said, much enjoy the rest of your evening. good evening to you, welcome to ayman. tonight, breaking news on former president jimmy carter, plus new details on special counsel jack smith in 2020 election interference investigation. even more republicans have now

been subpoenaed. and we will break down the findings on the georgia grant special jury report and what happens next in the fulton county da probe. i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. tonight, we begin with some major breaking news, former president jimmy carter has decided to receive hospice care after several short hospital stays. this according to a new statement from the carter center. quote, after a series of short hospital stays, former u.s. president jimmy carter today decided to spend his remaining time at home with his family and respective hospice care instead of additional medical intervention. he has the full support of his family and his medical team. the carter family asked for thoughts during this time and is grateful for the concern by his many admirers. carter, the 39th president, turned 98 in october. nbc news has learned that president joe biden is aware of former president joe carter's decision and the white house is

in touch with the carter family and close advisers. joining me now is peter baker, chief what correspondent for the new york times. he's also a msnbc political analysts. peter, first off, your reaction to the news, what more do we know at this hour? >> well, of course, everybody had come to think of president carter as almost immortal. he is live longer than any president in the history of the united states. 98, passed a george h. w. bush 's record a couple of years back. he has the fight death and illness repeatedly over the last few years. he had cancer and then fought it very publicly and briefly and then announced that he had become cancer free after treatment. he fell several times, broke a hip, was back at his habitat for humanity project quickly after. every time, he seemed like he was taking a hit, he would bounce back. i think that is one of the things that has people, of course, so concerned tonight because this does not seem like he believes he will be able to bounce back.

he's putting the country on notice, in effect, that the end is coming soon. >> the former president obviously redefining what it means to be a former president, unlike any other president in american history, what he's done since leaving office. we know, peter, that the biden administration, as we just reported, that the president is in close contact with the quarters at this hour. can you talk about the long history between joe biden and president jimmy carter. these are two people that overlapped in american politics for many years, when joe biden entered the senate back in 1973. >> that's exactly right. they go back to the 1970s. in fact, joe biden was the first united states senator democrat to endorse jimmy carter's bid for president when he ran in 1976. they have that shared history there. president carter always remember the, always appreciated senator biden support when he was unknown on the national stage. and i think you saw that again in april of 2021, shortly after president biden was inaugurated

as president, he went down to georgia to visit jimmy carter at his home. he became the first sitting president ever to visit former president carter at his home and pay that respect and honor and talk about how important he was as a figure in the u.s. history. president carter had many years where he was something of a unpopular figure. democrats did not want to be associated with him because he lost the 1980 race. republicans used him to bash current day democrats repeatedly. i think the visit from president biden in april 2001 was a way of saying, no, we respect everything you've done, not just what you did in office but everything is done after office, focus on conflict, mediation, human rights, fighting diseases like guinea worm, building houses for the poor, et cetera, set a model for what the post presidency for everyone who came after him. >> indeed he did, peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the new york times, thank you so much. of course, we will bring you

any developments on former president carter's help as we get them throughout the program. tonight, we are also following major developments across the special counsel jack smith's multiple criminal investigations into donald trump. late last night, smith subpoenaed several arizona legislators, including the leaders of these the house and the senate, to testify in front of a grand jury as part of the justice department's investigation and into trump's efforts to reverse the 2020 election loss. the doj is also demanding any relevant documents relating to the election and all communications with trump or his campaign. that news comes on the heels of a new report from the new york times regarding another investigation smith's probe into trump's handling of classified documents. sources say federal prosecutors are attempting to side step claims of attorney client privilege between the ex president and at least one of his lawyers, mr. evan corcoran. the doj has reportedly asked the judge to apply something called the crime fraud

exception, which would compel coren to testify under oath without the protection of that privilege. the exception voids legal secrecy when a client has sought a lawyer's help in the commission of a crime. now corcoran is the attorney who back in january, if you recall, purportedly drafted a letter sent by another trump lawyer, christina bobb, in which she swore that all classified material in trump's possession had, in fact, been returned. but as we now all know, the court order search of mar-a-lago in august proved that to be a lie. this week, we also learned mike pence plans to fight a subpoena he received from smith regarding the doj investigation into trump's election subversion efforts. pence called the demand for's cooperation, quote, unprecedented and unconstitutional. in order to fight that subpoena, pence's legal team is expected to roll out an unusual legal strategy here, one that hinges on his role as the presiding

officer of the senate on january six. since his work that they technically fell under the legislative branch, pence claims that he issued that from discussing his actions under the speech and debate clause at the constitution. now, we will have to wait and see how that line of defense plays out, but pence has signaled he's willing to take the case all the way to the supreme court, and that makes smith's challenge of trump's attorney privilege and those claims even more significant. this week, the special counsel put the ex president and his allies on notice, showing that he is not afraid to fight to get to the truth and get it on the record. joining me now to discuss all of this, is lisa rubin, former leader and analyst for the rachel maddow show, and david rohde, executive editor for news 4.com and msnbc contributor. great to have both of you with us. lisa, i'll start with you. this is not the first time that the department of justice has subpoenaed arizona lawmakers in their investigation into what

happened in 2020, but talk to me about the significance of this, what might be different this time around under jacks mitt? >> you're right to say that this is not the first time in arizona. the last time around, the people they subpoenaed included the then-president -- i am sorry, the then speaker of the arizona house and a prominent arizona legislature. right now, the people that they're asking for help from our people that serve in those leadership capacities now, but more necessarily, leaders in the arizona house and senate then. one area i think jack smith might be trying to get at is what was their involvement in forwarding that arizona audit, that we knew took place for months after the 2020 election? that is also something he is interested in with respect to how trump's money at the same america pack was spent. i know that trump made 1 million dollar donation to the conservative partner institute, where mark meadows is not a partner. many people die at the time, maybe that is a way of paying meadows. we know now that that money was then funneled to the arizona

audit, and the leaders of the audit say didn't expect any money from trump. >> there are two things happening here. if you look at the subpoena for the lawyer and the crime fraud exception, i want you to talk about that for a moment. when you are looking at, he's moving about trucks. i know he has both investigations under his purview, which is the documents of mar-a-lago and 2020 attempted coup. but he is moving aggressively on both of these fronts simultaneously, and i want you to talk about the crime fraud exception and why that is significant. >> i thought the exception is significant because it is really the only way to get a lawyer who has been in attorney client communications to testify before a grand jury. not only does the client have to be -- that would assist them in the commission of a crime, but the communications themselves had to be sufficiently related to and in furtherance of the crime. what is significant there is that you have to ask yourself, what's the crime that jack smith is seeking evidence about? i would venture to say that it is probably obstruction of justice and not just the

unlawful retention of documents for the reasons that you are outlining at the beginning. it's about that june 3rd certification that mr. corcoran drafted and christina bobb signed, in which they said, we don't have any more classified documents here, and lo and behold, months later, the search was executed, and we learned that there were actually dozens more classified documents at mar-a-lago since. >> i would say, implicit in that for him, david, to go with the crime fraud exception, he must believe to some extent at that at the time, christina bobb knew that what she was signing was false, and therefore, compelling that lawyer to come forward. we know that donald trump, he likes to hide behind his privilege, whether attorney-client privilege or executive privilege, it's something that he constantly place. this would be a massive setback and make him legally vulnerable. >> i think this just shows how aggressive jack smith is being. he's pursuing both of the investigations very aggressively, not being differential to corcoran or christina bobb, essentially

saying that i suspect you are participating in crimes. they are all very dramatic developments, including pushing for the testimony of pence. >> how much do you think jack smith has learned from bob mueller in being this aggressive early on, or am i over reading into it? what do you think? i know it is speculative, but what is your take? >> i think it is terrific. obviously, the 2024 election is coming. this is exactly what he should be doing. he should be fact finding and fast. and if he does not find the facts, if he does not bring charges, i think we had to accept that also, just a shout out to jimmy carter, he signed the law that created independent counsels that subsequently became the special counsel that we have today. >> oh interesting, i did not know that. >> carter and ford together created all the checks on presidential power. they created the house and senate intelligence communities to bring in on the cia. they had the ethics and government act to disclose how

much money these officers make, which donald trump ignored. this is a great way a post-watergate reform. that is all jimmy carter. again back to jack smith, how do you hold a president accountable? it seems like jack smith is very aggressively trying to hold donald trump accountable. >> i would say that one way of holding him accountable's first beacon to his vice president, mike pence, who does not want to speak to jack smith. i want to read to you an interesting point from michael luttig, a -- he later testified in front of the house select committee, but here is what he said on a twitter threat, outlining that even if pence is able to proclaim protection under the speech or debate clause, that does not mean he would not have to testify. what do you make of luttig's assessment that mike pence, the former vice president, cannot simply hide behind the speech or debate clause? obviously, for two reasons, it's not just what he did on january the six in his role, but he, mike pence, has acknowledged that he spoke

extensively with the president weeks before he showed up on capitol hill that they about overturning the election. >> sure, he's written about extensively in wall street journal, and a bit, his books. the fact that he won't testify about leaves me strict -- scratching my head a little bit. going back to the judge, the obligation of the speech and debate clause through the vice president is an open question. he acknowledges that in his tweet thread. first, you have to ask yourself, is what mike pence was doing a legislative act? yes, he was on the dais of the senate, but he himself has this repeatedly that that was solely and a ministerial act. then you get to the second part of josh let takes question, which is, does that fall to me in a criminal investigation? there's never been a court case that set the speech and debate claws yields to me in a criminal investigation. then again, there's never been a case like this or never been a case where a constitutional officer sits at the intersection of both executive and legislative branch, as mike pence does. >> really quickly, david, why

do you think mike pence is fighting the subpoena. he's written books, spoken out about it, why does he not do the morally right thing and help the investigation figure out what happened on january six? >> politics, he still hopes to become president, and he should testify. john dean testified, he is a crime witness. he could talk about donald trump's state of mind leading up to january six. did he know he lost the election, these are critical facts for the prosecution? >> lisa, david, cigarette, we have more to discuss. coming up, the most remarkable details of the georgia grand jury report. don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere. he knows he's covered with zero overdraft fees when he overdraws his account by fifty bucks or less. overdraft assist from chase. make more of what's yours. [sniff] ew. gotta get rid of this. ♪tell me why!♪ because it stinks. ♪have you tried♪ ♪new downy rinse and refresh?♪ it helps remove odors 3x better than detergent alone it worked guys! ♪yeahhhh!♪ new downy rinse and refresh when you shop wayfair,

you get big deals for your home - every day. ♪yeahhhh!♪ so big, we'll have you saying... am i a big deal? yeah you are, because it's a big deal, when you get a big deal. wayfair deals so big that you might get a big head. because with savings so real... you can get your dream sofa for half the price. wayfair. it's always a big deal. ♪ wayfair, you've got just what i need ♪ ♪♪ inner voice (kombucha brewer): if i just stare at these payroll forms... my business' payroll taxes will calculate themselves. right? uhh...nope. intuit quickbooks helps you manage your payroll taxes, cheers! with 100% accurate tax calculations guaranteed. age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv

i love it when he strips for me. we strip as a pack. i don't care who sees me strip. josh, you strip? breathe right opens your nose for nasal congestion relief you can feel right away. helping you breathe better day or night, here or there. breathe right. strip on. it's easy to get lost in investment research. introducing j.p. morgan personal advisors. -hey david connect with an advisor to create your personalized plan. -let's find the right investments for your goals okay, great. j.p. morgan wealth management. a lot of new dry eye patients in my office tell me about their frequent dry eyes, which may point to dry eye disease. millions of americans were estimated to have it. they also tell me they've tried artificial tears again and again, but the relief is temporary. xiidra can provide lasting relief. xiidra treats the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease. don't use if allergic to xiidra. common side effects include eye irritation, discomfort or blurred vision when applied and unusual taste sensation. why wait? ask your eye doctor about a 90-day prescription for xiidra today. >> so a majority at the grand

jury believes that perjury may have been committed by one or more witnesses testify before it. that is what a panel in fulton county, georgia, stated in sections of its final report released this week. whomever might they meet, that is the question between last june when the special grand jury began hearing evidence related to possible criminal interference in the 2020 presidential election and the completion of its work in december, it had heard evidence from or involving 75 witnesses, the great majority of which was delivered in person under oath. now, the grand jury also agreed unanimously that no wide spread fraud took place in georgia during the presidential election of 2020 that could result in overturning the election. now, which witness or witnesses does the jury think may have committed perjury?

the guessing game will continue for a while. only a few pages that the report were not released but the rest now in the hands of fani willis, the fulton county district attorney. let's bring back lisa rubin into the conversation. your top line reaction to the grand jury report this week. when you think we should be looking at? >> i think you should look at the number of pages because it continues to stop me -- >> nine -- >> you see the introduction, which is a page and a half, the conclusion, less than a page and a half, but assuming that these things are numbered consecutively, it's no longer nine pages. we know that -- we know that they sent out at least 18 parking letters, and we know that they promise in the introduction that they are going to tell us how each of the grand jurors voted yay or nay with respect to the crimes that they may have considered. that is remarkably short number of pages in which to do that all and so, some people are saying, let's diminish our expectations, maybe we're not

going to see them recommending as many charges as people thing. on the other hand, there are many possibilities here, including multiple chapters there are consecutively numbered. >> why is this happening like this? i think a lot of people who are not legal experts like yourself and not following closely, is this normal? second of all, how long of a time between fani willis decision to indict or not to indict law and the release of the grand jury report? >> let's start with is this normal, because even for legal experts, this is not normal. the georgia process of having a special grand jury to investigate without the power to indict and to issue a report written by the grand jurors themselves, that is extraordinary. that is not something we see every day. your question about what we can expect fani willis to indict, that is a hard one to answer. i think there will be indictments for no reason other than fani willis put up in court to suppress the report, and she told the judge it would

be unfair to potential defendants, plural, to have the entire thing released now. why? because you don't want this kind of information circulating out there, a, if the indictments are going to differ from what the grand jury recommended, but be, they don't have a different way of -- they don't have to process until the real criminal process starts. if that is the concern, that will suggest that we will see some indictments here. >> as a possible we don't see indictments? i understand that some jurors voted against indictments? is that right? >> i am not sure if they did or did not, they just said they would reveal to us how they -- how they broke down in the voting for the recommendations. >> got it, lisa, thank you so much, i greatly appreciate your insights on this as well. up next, breaking news from the fall of the suspected chinese surveillance balloon. stay with us. alloon stay with us

i've got moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪things are getting clearer.♪ ♪i feel free to bare my skin yeah, that's all me♪ ♪nothing and me go hand in hand♪ ♪nothing on my skin♪ ♪that's my new plan♪ ♪nothing is everything♪ achieve clearer skin with skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. in another study, most people had 90% clearer skin, even at 4 years. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. ♪i see nothing in a different way♪ ♪it's my moment so i just gotta say♪ ♪nothing is everything♪ serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections

or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. ♪nothing is everything♪ talk to your dermatologist about skyrizi. learn how abbvie could help you save. ♪♪ what will you do? will you make something better? create something new? our dell technologies advisors can provide you with the tools and expertise you need to bring out the innovator in you. [♪♪] if you have diabetes, to bring out the innovator it's important to have confidence in the nutritional drink you choose. try boost glucose control®. it's clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels and contains high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health. try boost® today. why give your family just ordinary eggs when they can enjoy the best? eggland's best. the only eggs with more fresh and delicious taste.

plus, superior nutrition. which is now more important than ever. ♪♪ because the way we care... is anything but ordinary. only eggland's best. ♪♪

i work hard, and i want my money to work hard too. so, i use my freedom unlimited card. earning on my favorite soup. aaaaaah. got it. earn big with chase freedom unlimited. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours. (woman 1) i just switched to verizon business unlimited. it's just right for my little business. unlimited premium data. unlimited hotspot data. (woman 2) you know it's from the most reliable 5g network in america? (vo) when it comes to your business, not all bars are created equal. so switch to verizon business unlimited today. >> brick in news, china's top

diplomat is offering no apology for sending the suspected surveillance balloon across u.s. territory, according to secretary of state anthony blinken who met with his chinese counterpart on the sidelines at the munich security conference in germany earlier today. lincoln later described that meeting in an interview with nbc's meet the press, here at home, chaos and confusion continued to clot the biden administration to the response of the unidentified objects. news in canada have officially called of the search for the three objects taken down last weekend, so we might never know for sure what they were or where they came from, even though the american intelligence community says they were most likely balloons related to private companies for research or recreational purposes. nearly two weeks after the u.s. shut down the suspected chinese surveillance balloon, the biden administration finally publicly addressed the recent uptick in ufos, but the messaging was a

little muddled to say the least, watch -- >> we don't yet know exactly what these three objects were, but nothing right now suggests that they were related to china spy balloon program or that they were surrounds vehicles from any other country. >> the president said that the three other objects were not a threat to the u.s., so why shoot them down? >> well, we, as the president said, have approach this with the first priority being the safety of the american people. after the chinese balloon incident, as it has been come to known, we wanted to sharpen the rules that apply to these types of incidents. >> but why shoot first if we did not have a policy in place? >> let's be clear, first of all, as it relates to the chinese balloon, we shut it down because it needed to be shut down. >> now, why use missiles that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to shut down what we're

most likely private balloons? is shoot first, ask questions later now established u.s. foreign policy? joining me now is mark -- a former officer and national intelligence analysts and david rohde is back with me. let me start with you, david, if i can. i want to get your reaction to this meeting between the secretary of state and his chinese counterpart. as i mentioned there, no official apology from the chinese government. they have maintained the position that this was a weather balloon a streak of course. does the fact that there was no apology raise the stakes, put more pressure on americans to act more aggressively going forward? >> i hope not, because the danger with national security is that it has become a partisan thing or you have the president trying to show how tough he can be, and republicans egg him on in that way. clearly, the chinese did not apologize today, but i think it's a concrete and positive think that the meeting happened

there. i am not surprised that the chinese would not lose face and amid what it was. let's state the obvious, this was a surveillance balloon. but as he said earlier, i also think the biden administration has not handled it that will. they have been too secretive. there were speculations four days that these were all ufos. it could've been clear that we're talking about balloons. one was clearly a chinese surveillance balloon, the other three appeared to be private balloons are research balloons. >> mark, what is your take away on this? if they are trying to gather intelligence on these balloons, why call off the search now? do you think that with these additional balloons, not the one that was shot off the coast of carolina but the other one shot of canada and lake huron, was that perhaps an overreaction by the u.s. given how january was because of the chinese balloon? >> sure, ayman, i think first and foremost, everyone on both sides want to get past this. david is right, the fact that we are on the diplomatic chart of the chinese is the right

move. there's no doubt about the first incident, which was a chinese surveillance balloon. the other three, look, the pentagon and administration was quickly airing on the side of caution. they were getting beaten up on the hill for. this i think in an after action review, we will understand more. it beat the radar systems, so as to see more. we learn more because we saw more, and they shot down those three objects. i don't think we will see that in the future again. , there will be some revisions on deduction. in general, the idea of shutting something down we don't know about is not a good idea. obviously, you want to study this. study the problem is the best action. i think as we move forward, intelligence, espionage scandals, always have a tendency to model up foreign policy. i think everyone wants to get past this very quickly. >> how much you think domestic policy shaped the administration reaction over the course of the two weeks of incidents?

at the beginning, the administration was critical by republicans for not shutting it down. they would have shut it down over alaska. when he shoots it down over the coast of south carolina, -- they wait to then turn around what we just heard from the president and vice president, we don't know what we shot at, but we had to shoot them. i am wondering, with this have been different if there was not all this up cry by republicans? >> yes, and it showed the effect of this republican voices. i think it makes the initial call which is to let the balloon across the usa right one, and it did get out of hand. it was a strange weekend as we can, where it seemed like there was this alert every few hours, another unidentified object. my line was that i would go out on a limb, and we are not under an alien invasion right now. that is the problem. they could have said much more clearly that these are all balloons, we don't know what they are. i think the administration could've been much more open publicly. i agree, it is great that china and the u.s. are talking. it's great that president biden

will try to talk to president xi. we don't know when that will happen. the military line between the two countries has not worked. the u.s. called but the chinese are not picked up. this is very serious stuff. these two militaries are incredibly powerful, so there will be more dialogue no, the better. >> marc, will you kind of look at americas relationship during the cold war with russia? we had multiple channels, diplomatic, military, i am sure others that kind of prevented nuclear war, so to speak. it does not seem we have those same channels of communication right now with the chinese, am i incorrect insane? >> right, so that is a bit worrisome. look, i was in the cia for 26 years, even during the darkest days of the cold war, the cia and kgb had some of a relationship. we talk. we continue to do so now, amazingly enough. while we have a u.s. embassy in beijing, it seems like from reports at the pentagon, military to military channels are not working. that is something that perhaps the president can discuss when

he has any high level phone call with president xi. that is something that has to be in place, and when you think about the incident now with the chinese balloon. imagine if there was something in the south china sea, imagine if there is something where the two militaries, the u.s. and china, we're facing off. we have a hotline. i think that is something that will be worked on in the near future. >> let me ask you about this reporting from the wall street journal of balloons dating back to the trump administration. the wall street journal says that during the trump administration, intelligence officials were aware of suspected balloons and, quote, harbored concerns that they were related to china, believing beijing was using them to test radar jamming systems over sensitive u.s. military sites. this information apparently was not shared with trump and his staff at the time. a, do you think that is common that something at that level it would not necessarily make its way all the way up to the president for action and what do you make of this report that

china has been using spy balloons for longer than at least the public right now currently knows? do we have a sense of how long they've been engaged in this practice? >> sure, i am not surprised at all. chinese espionage activities is massive. anything we can learn this whole affair is the degree to which chinese spies on the u.s. -- by the way, we spy on china as well. it's also surveillance and reconnaissance, a surveillance balloon program. they also have satellites and extensive human intelligence programming. china is the long term great this threat to the u.s. in terms of the intelligence business, so it's certainly no surprise that this happened in the past. whether or not it was brief to the president, that is something that the secretary of defense or director of national intelligence decides to do or not in the presidents daily brief. i'm not particularly concerned about the. i don't know, frankly, if president trump prepared one way or the other in terms of the degree of interest in the intelligence product.

but, ultimately, china spies on us, and again, they should be the wake up call to the u.s.. certainly, they are focused on. i know in the entire u.s. security structure -- if we get something out of the whole affair, it's the degree to which china -- >> all right, marc polymeropoulos and david rohde, thank you, gentlemen, the both of you, greatly appreciate it. coming up, the long and slow decline of nikki haley. of nikki haley only pay for what you need. with the money we saved, we tried electric unicycles. i think i've got it! doggy-paddle! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ wayfair's president's day clearance is on now. only pay for what you need. save big on area rugs up to 70% off. and score deals on major appliances up to 30% off. shop wayfair's president's day clearance and get it fast before it's gone. ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need ♪ ♪♪ inner voice (kombucha brewer): if i just stare at these payroll forms... my business' payroll taxes will calculate themselves.

right? uhh...nope. intuit quickbooks helps you manage your payroll taxes, cheers! with 100% accurate tax calculations guaranteed. ♪♪ hey dad, i'm almost out. i got you. any questions, chris? all good, thanks maura! there you go, one new inhaler! nice did you get my refill too? maybe [door bell] here you go, sir. you're a lifesaver. have a nice day. healthier is managing all your family's prescriptions in one app. cvs pharmacy. healthier happens together i think i'm ready for this. all your family's prheck ya! with e*tradep. you're ready for anything. marriage. kids. college. kids moving back in after college. ♪ finally we can eat. ♪ you know you make me wanna...♪ and then we looked around and said, wait a minute, this isn't even our stroller! (laughing) you live with your parents, but you own a house in the metaverse?

mhm. cool...i don't get it. here's to getting financially ready for anything! and here's to being single and ready to mingle. who's ready to cha-cha?! ♪ yeah, yeah ♪ meet brett from apartment 2b. he's not letting an overdraft alert get him stressed. he knows he's covered with zero overdraft fees when he overdraws his account by fifty bucks or less. overdraft assist from chase. make more of what's yours. age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv we've stripped all over this mountain. i love it when he strips for me. i strip on sick days. breathe right instantly relieves nighttime nasal congestion. daytime, too. helping you breathe easier for up to 12 hours. breathe right. strip on. after advil. let's dive in. but, what about your back? it's fine.

before advil. advil, dual action bites, pain, two ways. advil targets pain at the source. acetaminophen blocks, pain signals, advil, dual action. people remember ads with a catchy song. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's a little number you'll never forget. ♪ customize and save. ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ >> joe biden was slow -- >> to be fair, madam ambassador, you have to win the primary. you talk about president biden a lot, but there are only two candidates in the republican primary, it's you and your former boss. >> and you guys are obsessed with me talking about him. >> you're the only two candidates. >> that was nikki haley's re-introduction to the world this week as a 2024 presidential candidate, unable or unwilling to differentiate herself from donald trump for

her only current republican rival. >> what would you say are the differences, let's start with president trump, what policy differences do you have with him? >> well, i had a great working relationship with him. i consider him a friend. most of the policies that he, did i totally agree with. >> is there anything specifically of the top of your head that you would do differently, or that you disagree with him on? >> what i would tell you is that we had to look at the fact that mothers can't find baby formula. we have families that could not afford groceries -- >> so here is the thing, how long did nikki haley have to come up with an answer to that question? months years? if she still can't answer a basic question like this, why is she running for president at all? let's take a step back for a moment and go back almost eight years to july, 2015, a time

when nikki haley actually was not a laughing stock that she has become since. in the aftermath of the racist mass murder at the church in south carolina, lawmakers on both side of the aisle, authorize the removal of the confederate battle flag that and ordered over the state capital for decades. that bold, bipartisan move was supported and advocated for by nikki haley, the then governor of south carolina. it was at that moment that pundits started calling her the future of the gop, but the future, it seemed, had other plans. as stuart stevens wrote in the new york times this week, no political figure better illustrates the tragic collapse of the modern republican party than nikki haley. there was a time not very long ago where she was everything the party needed to win. she was a woman when the party needed more women, adopter of immigrants when a daughter needed more immigrants, a young changemaker when the party

needed younger voters, and a symbol of tolerance when they took down the confederate flag when the party needed more people of color and educated suburbanites. the republican party needed so much, but instead, instead of getting what it needed, it got donald trump. quote, i will not stop until we fight a man that chooses not to disavow the kkk. nikki haley made that powerful production in the early years -- excuse me, in the early months of 2016, the announcing trump as she campaigned at the time for marco rubio. that is not a part of our party, that is not who we want as president. those were her words, except at the bigotry is part of the party, and donald trump is exactly who the party wanted as president. once that became clear, governor haley is cute her

principles, she no longer had the courage of your convictions, that was replaced with opportunism. she voted for trump in the 2016 election, months after the decoration that he was not a part of our party, and then on top of that, she accepted a job from him to be his yuan ambassador. it turned out to be the beginning of a long, dark series of moral compromises for nikki haley. while at the united nations, she pivoted further to the right, defending champs pulling out of the nuclear deal, withdrawing from the paris climate agreement and inflaming tensions in the middle east by changing embassies from israel to jerusalem. -- days after the 2020 election, she voiced initial support for trump's attempts to overturn the election results, tweeting out, despite what the media tells us, election fraud does happen. that needs to stop.

so nikki haley is now at a crossroads, and it is clear, she does not know what to do. she is running against donald trump for the republican presidential nomination, but so far, she has refused to separate yourself from anything to do with donald trump. look, can you blame her? she hugged him so tight for so long, that she risk seeming like a disingenuous politician who wrote trump's coattails for her own political benefit. maybe though, that's just what she is, like so many others in the era of trump, as he sacrificed their principles to get ahead, and now that she wants to get even further ahead, she's maybe beginning to realize that she can't, because you can't reclaim the moral high ground when your morals have been in the basement for almost a decade. that brings us to this week, whereas her launch event in charleston, the very city where she spearheaded the effort to remove the confederate flag

almost eight years earlier, we finally saw how far nikki haley had fallen. out of all the people that she could've chosen, haley selected notorious pastor john hagy to perform her campaign invocation. the put this in perspective, in 2008, john mccain refused his endorsement due to a long list of offenses that included claiming the holocaust was a divine plan from job, claiming he was a half breed jew. he said hurricane katrina was a punishment for gay pride parades, and that women were only meant to be mothers and apparent children. nikki haley one said that john mccain was a personal hero to her. now, she is embracing the man that mccain denounced. that is nikki haley in a nutshell. she is not a rhonda scent this are kari lake, leading the way on a radicalize republican platform, she is a follower, a person who knew better and still decided that it was worthwhile to develop

disgusting beliefs just to simply get ahead, and if this week is any guide, it likely won't get her anywhere. she will just be a morally bankrupt also ran, who make it what she deserves, nothing. we will be right back. l be right back. or you could see, everything that could be. go. baker tilly. trelegy for copd. ♪birds flyin' high, you know how i feel.♪ ♪breeze driftin' on by...♪ ♪...you know how i feel.♪ you don't have to take... [coughing] ...copd sitting down. ♪it's a new dawn,...♪ ♪...it's a new day,♪ it's time to make a stand. ♪and i'm feelin' good.♪ start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd... ...medicine has the power to treat copd... ...in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler,... ...trelegy makes breathing easier for a full 24 hours, improves lung function,

and helps prevent future flare-ups. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler... ...for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating,... ...vision changes, or eye pain occur. take a stand, and start a new day with trelegy. ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy... ...and save at trelegy.com.

age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv your heart is the beat of life. if you have heart failure, entrust your heart to entresto, a medicine specifically made for heart failure. entresto is the #1 heart failure brand prescribed by cardiologists. it was proven superior at helping people stay alive and out of the hospital. heart failure can change the structure of your heart, so it may not work as well. entresto helps improve your heart's ability to pump blood to the body. and just imagine where a healthier heart could take you.

don't take entresto if pregnant; it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don't take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren, or if you've had angioedema with an ace or arb. the most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure, kidney problems, or high blood potassium. ask your doctor about entresto for heart failure. entrust you heart to entresto. we got the house! you did! pods handles the driving. pack at your pace. store your things until you're ready. then we deliver to your new home - across town or across the country. pods, your personal moving and storage team. >> signs of light even 12 days

after the devastating earthquake struck turkey and syria. people are suffering day in and day out and yet unimaginable miracles are still a daily ritual. is the day, this man was rescued nearly 11 days after being buried under the rubble and southwest turkey. his first concern as he lay on a stretcher after surviving for 261 hours, how his mother is doing? here he is speaking on the phone to a relative asking about his mother and the rest of his family. his relative responded, everyone is good, brother, we are all waiting for you. over 46,000 people have that across both countries, but that

staggering number is expected to grow for two reasons, one, syria has been slow to report its death figures, and the syrian government mired in a decade long civil war is blocking global release efforts. international aid organizations and at the norwegian -- refugee since area were only able to search 5% of the earthquake affected area, leaving potential survivors trapped under the rubble in the other 95% of the region. let's discuss this and more when it -- mercy corps, that is facilitating release efforts in syria. tjada, it's good to see you again. thank you for your time. describe the situation on the ground in syria begin what you're hearing. >> the situation on the ground is dire, and that's because they are coming to an already dire situation. before the earthquake, we were delivering humanitarian assistance in syria due to the

decades long conflict that you mentioned, so you're already dealing with a population where the infrastructure has already been quite weekend and damage in terms of building quality. there has been an outflow of talent and hospitals and other critical things, and these are citizens that have been on the move that were already receiving critical food and shelter from organizations like that, as we were serving about 300,000 people in northwest syria before the earthquake even hit. while the absolute numbers of people affected in turkey may be larger because it was closer to the epicenter, the death, destruction and devastation is very much going to be much more difficult than for the people of syria. >> can you talk about the obstacles to rescue in aid efforts. what are the biggest needs at this moment? i can imagine that there are both diplomatic as well as

logistic challenges into getting these relief efforts in this area. >> it's a tough situation. the good thing is that relief efforts are coming in, but we have to make sure that that remains in place. in a normal circumstance, turkey would be a first responder for an event like this in syria. however, in this case, turkey is heavily affected. many of the most reliable supply routes in and out of northwest syria -- so, those trucks are having to go through and pass a lot of other trauma to get to the trauma of syria. we also had the situation where syria did not have the same kind of rubble remover and heavy machinery to really clean up as well and to get the people after the earthquake, so it's a little bit more difficult to navigate the terrain on top of the fact that it is a very cold and brutal winter with a lot of snow and rain, so, we are doing things

as basic as even putting down gravel and displacement camps where we were already working. it's very, very difficult. we think that there are about 200,000 people in immediate need of assistance in syria, and in needs that we are giving right now include basics like shelter, tarps, things like jerry cans, solar lamps, blankets, mattresses, people do not have adequate shelter at all. just helping people to get a roof over their head, food and some warmth is our priority. as we go forward, we will continue with food, more durable shelter solutions for people and also just helping, beginning to think about the rebuilding effort. >> can you talk to us a bit about the syrian government in this? the syrian president bashar al-assad admits he needs help. is the government helping or slowing down relief efforts?

what do you know about what the central government in damascus is doing on this front? >> one of the things that we try to urge donors is to really focus on where the eight is most needed and not where is he sees to reach. the assad administration has been open to more border crossings. they have been open. the part of northwest syria where we do our work is actually not controlled by the assad government, but throughout all of turkey, there are very well worn particles and routes that have been coordinated to the u.n. in and out to help us get to the people in need. that has been going on for a decade. those routes are open, and as you said, there is a recognition everywhere that the people of syria really need the support. >> we certainly hope anyone who is watching that wants to help considers helping all the work that you are doing. tjada d'oyen mckenna, ceo of mercy corps, thank you so much to you and everyone involved in your work.

>> thank you for bringing attention, thank you. >> thank you. next, breaking the stigma, a u.s. senator is pushing norms for the better by opening up about his physical and mental health struggles. health struggles d my type 2 diabetes means i'm also a target. we are targets too. millions have chronic kidney disease and 90% don't know they have it. so ask for your kidney numbers and farxiga. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ if you have chronic kidney disease, farxiga reduces the risk of kidney failure, which can lead to dialysis. farxiga can cause serious side effects including dehydration, urinary tract or genital yeast infections in women and men, and low blood sugar. ketoacidosis is a serious side effect that may lead to death. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this bacterial infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. and don't take it if you are on dialysis. take aim at chronic kidney disease--

ask your doctor for your kidney numbers and ask for farxiga. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ [♪♪] if you have diabetes, it's important to have confidence in the nutritional drink you choose. try boost glucose control®. it's clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels and contains high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health. try boost® today. one prilosec otc each morning blocks heartburn all day and all night. prilosec otc reduces excess acid for 24 hours, blocking heartburn before it starts. one pill a day. 24 hours. zero heartburn. you could manufacture a whole new way of manufacturing. blocking heartburn disrupt buying habits before they disrupt your business.

and fuel the search for what comes next. so...what are you waiting for? (cecily) what's up, einstein? (einstein) my network has gone kaput! (cecily) oh, you tried to save a buck on it? (einstein) i got what i paid for. not so smart. (cecily) well, there is a smarter way to save. (einstein) oh?! (cecily) switch to verizon. you'll get a new 5g phone, on them. (vo) yup, get the new samsung galaxy s23+, a watch and a tablet, on us. that's a value of up to $1900 (einstein) oh, i love that math! i'm switching! (vo) switch to verizon and get the new samsung galaxy s23+, watch and tablet all on us the network you deserve. the savings you want. >> senator john fetterman's verizon

team is speaking candidly about him being hospitalized for depression. his chief of staff said that although the senator has

experienced depression on and off throughout his life, it's become worse in recent weeks. you may recall as his high-profile campaign was ramping up, he suffered a near fatal stroke and his public road to recovery while serving in the u.s. service senate for the first-time wasn't an easy one. here's fetterman speaking to nbc dasha burns a month before his victory. >> it's -- it changes everything, everything about it has changed. basically having a conversation with your wife to having a conversation with their children just, you know, things, especially early after the stroke -- >> according to the american strip association nearly one third of stroke survivors experience depression. and senator fetterman isn't the only lawmaker to suffer stroke. in fact, in recent years senator ben ray lujan from new mexico and a senator chris ban colin from their maryland suffered strokes in office. according to a close senior aide, fetterman will likely arbery in inpatient care and

he's received praise from both sides of the aisle first decision to seek care. in 2023 is still somewhat revolutionary for senator to own treatment for depression. despite the progress we have made, public figures are still held to near impossible standards. and frankly, we're more comfortable with people talking about their struggles after the fact. too often we live in a world that says save it for your memoir because if you say it loud, especially if you hold public office, you can be labeled unfit to serve. so here on this show we applaud the senators candidate admission and we hope it helps to de-stigmatize mental health issues in this country and we hope that the senator gets the help he needs. coming up on the second hour of eamonn, republicans on the run, no one in the gop wants to take credit for their bad policies, but that's not stopping democrats from going on offense.