he's received praise from both sides of the aisle first decision to seek care. in 2023 is still somewhat revolutionary for senator to own treatment for depression. despite the progress we have made, public figures are still held to near impossible standards. and frankly, we're more comfortable with people talking about their struggles after the fact. too often we live in a world that says save it for your memoir because if you say it loud, especially if you hold public office, you can be labeled unfit to serve. so here on this show we applaud the senators candidate admission and we hope it helps to de-stigmatize mental health issues in this country and we hope that the senator gets the help he needs. coming up on the second hour of eamonn, republicans on the run, no one in the gop wants to take credit for their bad policies, but that's not stopping democrats from going on offense. plus, far-right conspiracies on

the rise, is it possible to reverse the growing support of lies and deceptions? and speaking of lies and deceptions, move over george santos, there is another gop fabulist in town. we are going to explain and our worst of the week's segment. i am ayman wilkie dean, let's get started. we begin this hour with breaking news on former president jimmy carter. carter will begin receiving hospice care at his georgia home following a series of hospital stays. the news was confirmed in the statement by the carter center saying he has decided to spend his remaining time at home with his family. carter's grandson, former georgia state senator jason carter tweeted out, i saw both my grandparents yesterday. they are at peace and as always their home is full of love. thank you -- at 98 years old, carter is both the longest-living and -- living president, as well as the post presidency era. after he defeated reagan in

1980, he worked tirelessly to provide -- advance democracy, human, rights and social justice all around the world. in fact, he was awarded the nobel peace prize in 2002 for, quote, his decades of uniting for -- our uniting effort to find peaceful solutions to international complex on his outstanding commitment to human rights. we're gonna continue to monitor this story as it develops and we send our well wishes to him and the carter family. switching gears back to politics here at home, you can run but you can't hide. that's a lesson republicans are as learning this week. after facing fire from both the left and the right, florida senator rick scott has now amended his proposal to send said all federal legislation every five years. scott playing now specifies exceptions for social security, medicare, national security benefits unquote, other essential services. this new proposal also includes

this fold section that reads, quote, no to president biden, senator schumer, and senator mcconnell. as you know, this was never intended to apply the social security medicare or the u.s. navy. well, the white house quickly hit back. congratulations to the senator for, quote, joining the posted of the union redway but republicans acknowledging that they have in fact been attempting to put medicare and social security on the chopping block. but scott isn't the only republican attempting to distance himself from his parties unpopular policies these week, so far both candidates seeking the republican party nomination have ignored a major issue on the campaign trail, abortion. during the presidential launch speech this week, nikki haley made no mention of the issue that was one central to conservative politics in america. in fact, here's my colleague craig melvin trying to pin down exactly where the former governor now stands. >> let's talk about abortion for a moment. you've seen the senator lindsey

graham has proposed a federal ban on abortion. would you sign that? >> we need consensus on this. we are our goal is -- >> consciousness on? bush would you support a federal ban? >> not a full-out federal ban because i don't think that's been put on the table. i think what lindsey graham is put on the table is 15 weeks. and i think that if we're looking at 15 weeks, what we need to understand is, we are not okay with abortion up until the time of birth. so we should at least decide when is it okay. >> so you'll notice haley never really answers the question, but the truth is she's not alone. donald trump remains the gop's front runner in most polls has also thus far largely avoided discussing abortion at his campaign appearances. now, it's a republic surprised that republicans have been ignoring the issue as the position is highly unpopular. as we all know now, it's part of the reason why the gop hadn't underwhelming, and frankly, embarrassing the term performance.

and nbc news national exit poll found that abortion is the number to issue for voters in november. and those who cited it as their top concern preferred democrats over republicans by a staggering 53 points. but here's the problem, you can't distance yourself from positions you currently hold. so the republican party can try to rewrite history as much as they want, they can talk in circles as much as they want, but their record on this is clear, let's bring in democratic congresswoman melanie stansbury of new mexico, congresswoman, thank you so much for joining us this evening. first, let me get your reaction to what we saw from senator rick scott, his what about phase-ism, his reversal. did he really need a state of the union called out to realize how unpopular promising to gut entitlements is with the american people? >> thanks for having me on tonight, listen, the gop's in total disarray right now they are pandering completely to the extremists in their party and i

think we can see the evidence everywhere that their agenda is so hugely unpopular with the american people. millions and millions of americans depend on social security, medicare, medicaid and just the idea that we would cut these basic benefits that our seniors across the country depend on is a lifeline every day is absolutely absurd. so whether there was a call out at the state of the union or the continued work that we are doing in congress on oversight committee and every day to make sure that the american people know this is their extreme agenda, we have to hold them to account and make sure that they are not able to execute any of these ridiculous plans. >> pummeled enough to remember republicans running on curtailing abortion rights for decades. i think every single election in my lifetime and finally achieving their goal and reversing roe, why do you think there is suddenly running away from the issue on the campaign trail barely even mentioning or celebrating the fact that they're able to achieve it? o>> the running away from it

because of the extremism and the unpopularity of it. the right to control our own bodies is a fundamental right. it's a human right, it's a constitutional right and the roe v. wade upended after 50 years of settled law and as soon as they did it the american people shouted that this is not what we want. in fact, the entire world did so now of course the extreme gop is trying to distance themselves from the very policies that they've spent decades espousing and trying to put forward but i'm lucky enough, i actually represent a state in new mexico where abortion care remains safe and legal, where we are actually helping those states around us and that is what the american people want. that is what they are asking us to do. it's to protect our democracy, to protect our rights and to protect our right to control our own bodies. >> let me ask you about some of your colleagues in the republican party. you said in the house your republican colleagues up

together a subcommittee to investigate the origins of the coronavirus. however, they are not alone. you've got the house energy and commerce committee also investigating that very same topic. do you think when -- does this just doubled the risk of dangerous conspiracy theories reaching the public at this time? >> absolutely. i think one of the shocking things that we are seeing right now with the gop disarray is not only do they not have an agenda for governing, they are using the resources of our congress to espouse conspiracy theories that are not only fraudulent but dangerous for the american people. think about the beginning of the pandemic and the trump administration getting in front of the camera every day telling the american people all sorts of lies, conspiracy theories, and health risks that put americans lives on the line. the continued use of american resources, congressional resources to do that is not

only dangerous i believe it's fraudulent. our job on the oversight committee is to oversee the ways of an abuse of government resources and i think what we're seeing right now is the use of gop congressional resources -- to advance their political agenda. >> and speaking of their political agenda and conspiracy theories, you saw firsthand in your own state of new mexico how these french police can in fact turned violent in december, election conspiracy theories drove a defeated republican candidate to hire gunmen to attack the homes of democratic legislators. how fearful are you that the republicans will mainstream these kinds of ideas over the next two years and democrats have a plan to counter that message? >> yes, listen, speech has consequences. and the continued use, especially of our government resources to continue to put

out hate speech, to use those resources to undermine our basic democratic values is a continued threat to our democracy and we saw that in new mexico, and a candidate who lost his race by significant margin hired gunmen to go and shoot up the houses of elected officials and in particular on the election board that oversaw elections it is dangerous, it continues to pose a danger to our local electoral systems and that continued use of speech to undermine our democracy is a real threat to our institutions, democrats have a clear agenda, we are going to use our time in congress to make sure that we are shoring up and protecting our democracy for democratic institutions passing legislation that actually protects them, we are putting into place the ability to protect voting rights across the country and of course to continue to call out their lies and conspiracy theories and

hold them accountable for the hate speech and the misinformation that they are continuing to put out there. >> unfortunately i was gonna say it doesn't seem like it's trending in the right direction with the republicans continue to pedal these conspiracy theories. democratic congresswoman melanie stanbury of new mexico, thank you for your time this, evening i greatly appreciated. next, we will continue the conversation on conspiracy theories and why far-right republican seem to be more susceptible to conspiratorial thinking. thinngki after advil. feeling better? on top of the worlddddd!!! before advil. advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. when pain comes for you, come back fast with advil liqui-gels. for people living with h-i-v, keep being you. and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low

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period of american politics gripped by paranoid conspiracy and the radicalism of the far-right. and i'm not talking about joe mccarthy's anti communist red scare of the 1940s and 50s, i'm talking about our current political moment as in, kevin mccarthy and house republicans as they pursue an agenda fueled by conspiracies, including one we just spoke about with congresswoman stansbury. covid and the growing fears

that the gop will use the oversight committee to spread medical misinformation. that of course there's election denialism, arguably the biggest conspiracy of our time. donald trump's lies about the 2020 election were so powerful in part because the republican party had four years cast out on the validity of elections shouting nonstop about nonexistent voter fraud. so it wasn't that difficult to make people think that fraud had actually occurred. they were prying to believe it had and we still see the effects of those election lies years later. like in the campaign of failed arizona candidate kari lake. so at a time when it feels like conspiracy theorists are receiving more and more into our everyday existence, it is crucial that we understand how we arrived at this moment of polarized realities and what needs to happen so that we might return to the same spinning globe. in her new book off the edge,

journalist kelly whale offers a definitive and compelling history of the flatter if movement from its origins in the 1800s in an english commune to the spread of that theory in the early 2000s with the rise of facebook and youtube. to the recent disinformation campaign of the 2020 presidential election and the covid-19 pandemic. these conspiracies are more interconnected then you might realize. joining me now is kelly whale. kelly, thank you for joining. as i should note also you are the author of the book off the, edge flat earthers, -- white people will believe anything. also joining us is kyle spencer author of raising them right, and award-winning journalist who focuses on the far-right. it's good to have both of you with us. let me start with you and your book, you argue there's a rather straight line from the flat earth conspiracy that first started floating around in the 1830s to today's qanon and anti vax hysteria, all the

way up to election denialism what is that connective tissue do you think? >> you know, a lot of the connective tissue and conspiracy i believe is a feeling of uncertainty, of doubting yourself and doubting your surroundings. and an inability to grapple with the reality around you and how you personally feel, so conspiracy believes are in a way of coping mechanism. they let people find answers and explanations in a moment when the available information doesn't jive with them. it doesn't feel comfortable. >> kyle, what do you make of the comparison between today's qanon, stop the steal republican party, and the republican party ruled by paranoid mccarthyism in the post war era? >> well i think the thing about conspiracies is they are always theatrical kind of distraction from the work of government. so i think when you see this

happening, now during the mccarthy era, it is always a way to be a kind of circus distraction. and i think nowadays, this is really baked into the gop ecosystem, this conspiracy generation and the reason it works is because it erodes confidence in the kinds of institutions that the gop doesn't like. and its donors don't like, and it also works because it allows the gop to curry favor with its base with it is an embittered resentful group because every conspiracy is really a story of victimization. and the gop base voters are victimized voters who has been taken advantage of by science, medicine, public schools, the woke culture, et cetera. >> kelly writing your book that human beings have always been prone to conspiracies.

that in the face of disaster or tragedies, we will look for simple solutions that don't actually exist, almost like an easy off ramp to explain things, you mention in the confucian and horror of the black played, people simply blamed jews and it seems like people are even more prone to believing and conspiracy theories and nowadays, do you think that's true and if so why? is it simply the rise of social media? >> i don't think people are necessarily more conspiratorial now than they wear during the black. like we still have the same human impulses but what's different is our ability to spread conspiracy theories. our ability to seek out answers and all kind of niche pockets on the internet that weren't previously available to us. so whereas word of mouth and rumor might have spread conspiracy theories hundreds of years ago these things you can sort of pick your own reality and i think that's very alluring to people who are looking for different answers in a frightening moment like

the pandemic. >> and kelly, from birtherism to qanon it seems like every fears is another major conspiracy theory gripping the republican base. what's coming down the pipe? what do you see in the pipeline? are there any new hysteria is that you are watching or tracking? >> there's always one. the big lie about the 2020 elections always huge. i think right now we're gonna see a lot of conspiracy theories about climate change. there's a lot of people angry about the idea that we should take action to protect the environment and i think we're gonna start seeing a lot of backlash against that on the right. >> kyle, is there something about today's republican party that makes their voters more susceptible to conspiratorial thinking? why does it seem like the gop base is always obsessed with rumors or vaccine microchips or jewish space lasers than on the other side? >> i think that what you are seeing is the gop responding to

the shifting demographics in the country and changing economy, things that have made a lot of the gop voters uncomfortable. we're in a very transformative time right now. brad appeared where social justice and issues of the past and reckoning with our history becoming extremely important to many americans and for a lot of people that's very scary it's like the conspiracies become a way to explain away some of that discomfort and again to kind of express the victimization that a lot of people feel it in a world that seems to be working against them. so republicans but their conspiracies are really answering these theories and saying we understand we're gonna feet this beast this conspiracy beast to keep you company, to keep you voting for us. it's a long term strategy and it's working it's definitely working. >> that's a scary thing, it is working to explain so much of what is happening to the republican party. kyle spencer, kelly whale,

thank you so, much i greatly prettier time and insights. coming up, it was a messy week for both donald trump and president biden. but first, richard louis is here with the headlines. hey richard. >> hey, ayman. back to the story that you reported on at the top of the hour, former president jimmy carter started receiving hospice care and a series of hospital stays. his foundation was saying in a statement saturday the cartier center did not specify the reason for hospitalizations. the former president is 98 years old and is the longest left u.s. president. vice president kamala harris says russia committed crimes against humanity and its war with ukraine and that justice must be served. paris made the remarks that the security conference in germany just days ahead of the one year anniversary of russia's invasion of ukraine. and north korea fired a long-range ballistic missile in the sea of japan's west coast saturday. japanese officials say there were no immediate reports of damage to ships or aircraft. the launch comes after north korea warned of a strong

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what these three objects where. nothing -- nothing right now suggests that they are related to china spy balloon program or that they were surveillance vehicles from other of country. >> the biden administration also receive criticism this week for the slow response to the train derailment in ohio which resulted in a massive fire in toxic chemical spill particularly under fire's transportation secretary pete buttigieg who took a full ten days to make a formal statement about the disaster. late this week, the epa promised the administration would get to the bottom of the derailment. joining me now to unpack all of this, caitlin burns, msnbc columnist and josh johnson, comedian and writer at the daily show. you can watch his new comedy special up here, killing myself on peacock. great to have both of you with. us caitlin, i will start with you. and with this trained rail meant in, ohio state secretary buttigieg was quick to place blame on the incident to former president trump.

but he has not yet moved to reinstate the obama era rule safety that would expand technology. what do you make of these two contrasts? >> i think that the derailment should really prompt is a deeper discussion about our infrastructure in this country. we talk about infrastructures and people think of that justice let is add another lane to the highway nearby. or let's rework a dangerous corner of the neighborhood. it also includes rail infrastructures. this country has neglected it for a very long time. i know that's not the leading cause of -- the suspected cause of the derailment in this case. but we also have to remember that just a few months ago, the biden administration forced the train workers union to accept the contract that evolve no sometimes. you have six workers, crumbling infrastructure, and it's an environment that's going to

breed more derailments down the line. >> josh, so former president, trump never missing an opportunity to be political. he has decided to go visit east palestine, ohio. that has race and questions about the current administration's handling of this. no plans there for president biden to go. what do you make of the situation so far? >> i mean, i don't know. unless trump is going to these east palestine just to say sorry since he's the one who was kneecap-ing the epa for so long, you can't put it all on trump because to a certain degree, look, he hasn't been president for a long time now. so biden has a bit, and he has a hand, he can write back executive orders that where trump era policies. but i think that for the most part whether you plan to go there or not, the action taken there or not to some were saying the air or water are safe and they are clean enough to use, they're telling some of the people to test their own well water so until they can come tested. i don't know if i trust anybody

to tell me that it's safe that hasn't tasted the water. you drink the water for us, and then i'll what you drink, and then i'll drink -- maybe. but i might need you to drink extra. you drink a lot and then i will drink some. >> there was some politicians in this country who will do it just for the optics of it and as soon as the cameras, off those fitted to the. side >> no you're gonna, drink are gonna spend the day together. you can't just drink and spit when the cameras. off >> i need eyes on you all day. >> i knew to cook with that, you know what i'm? and make some soup. >> good point. caitlin, we also have to discuss the environmental and health issues that this derailment cause the biden administration. they said that it's deployed federal experts to assess the situation. but they have originally denied ohio's request for fema. why did the -- serious environmental crisis that is in need of federal assistance? what is their explanation? >> it's really confusing why they would, first of, all make the decision to just burn off

this toxic material. just to clear the train line. but also, we should have been supporting those communities from the very start. just dragging fit on something until video start to go viral online does not make for great policy. and i think it might be a cause for concerns for biden and this administration is particularly proud of his record when it comes to infrastructure issues. >> let me ask you, caitlin, about the aerial objects we've been shooting down from our skies in canada. you had the secretary of state anthony blinken who just met with china's top four policy official. over the tensions between the two countries and the downs spy balloon. both president joe biden and vice president kamala harris have said they want to sharpen the rules to address unidentified objects, perhaps maybe different rules of engagement going forward. how do you foresee the biden administration approaching these issues in the future? >> i just hope we have some

rationality to this. i know that everyone had a lot of fun with the sort of, oh no e.t. is here, kind of meme that was going around for a while. i suspect that -- and i'm not an expert in the stuff, but it's probably random. weather balloons. but i think part of the issue -- with a lot of these objects is there was so much pressure on the biden administration to shoot down this chinese balloon that now the military is looking for any random objects to shoot out of the sky. and i think we as taxpayers especially should be concerned about a shoot first, as questions later sort of policy when it comes to things that are in our airspace that we can't identify. >> what do you make of the shoot downs that we've seen? the missing balloons? there's speculation that it might have been private, corporate, maybe some kid floating balloon. >> this is my thing, if china was spying on us with the balloon, that is bad spying,

okay? you can hire spies, right? this is one of those things. you know what you call for customer service and it's the bought and you're, like no i need to speak to a person. spies should be spying. because we have satellite. so i don't know why you would just buy with a satellite? and then you also have tiktok. i feel like every time i get on tiktok -- >> that's my point. my point is that we've been told for years that china's spying on, us listening to, as they have everything they know everything about us all the time and then it's like, the hot air balloon as what we're shooting down for? >> the worst buying that you could do is this guy? i guess it would put me at ease to a great because i'm, like if you are that bad at spy, all my secrets are safe. >> you can get back on tiktok. >> yeah, 100%. >> caitlin burns, josh johnson, stick around, we have a lot more to discuss after the. break which republican ponderous is better at making up stories? we will tell you later. ou later you could see nothing here.

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the weekend today's match of highlights appears to be a growing problem for the republican party. deception and embellishment. and, no, we are actually not talking about donald trump. you won't be surprised to hear that our defending reigning champion is not an other than congressman george santos of new york. you heard know him from such early heads as lying about being jewish, allegedly stealing money from a disabled veteran, and claiming to be

available star at ecology never attended. now though, santos is reportedly contemplating another run for office even as he faces potential sanctions from the ftc relating to his campaign spending. speaking of, the new york times this week duck up more than $365,000 in, quote, unexplained expenditures with no record of where the money went and what it was actually used for. here's the thing, though, not to be outdone, enter our new challenger of the week. sentences colleague, freshman republican anna paulina luna. she's under fire for fabricating and exaggerating stories from her past like surviving a home invasion even though her roommate at the time told the washington post it was a break-in and they weren't even home when it happened. she's also claimed to have had a rough upbringing and that her father spent time in prison, but the post couldn't find any public records a felony charges in the state where her family lived. here is the kicker, luna also

claims to have jarrett which heritage despite the fact that her grandfather, fighting for not see germany in world war ii according to family members. let's bring back our panel. josh, tough pick. who do you got? >> i think it's still sandals for me just because there's so many. there's a ton. >> we like to go with the reigning champ? >> here's my thing, nikki haley talked about how she ones did a mental competency tents for politicians officer. not just have fly detectors tests. >> polygraph test for everybody. >> don't even have a debate. i'm sick of the debate. this is -- the debate is usually a minute and a, half higher gun until the side are gonna fix social security in a minute of a half? just put them both up to a lie detector. >> asked them the questions, let them, sweat and -- so, social security is security. what was the question again? it would just be so much easier than having someone come in because the craziest thing is that there is no formal

background check for the process to be elected to congress. so what was hard for me to get the job at a grocery store putting up grapes than it was for someone to get elected to congress. all i did was stack of the job. and they still want to make sure i was on the up and not. >> caitlin, who do you got? >> it's really hard to follow. josh because that's absolutely hilarious. i think i'm going to agree and go with centers as well. i mean, what are we gonna find out about this guy next? that he's the b cooper or he is involved with the kennedy assists nation? everything that comes out with this guy, every week, is just increasingly ridiculous and over the top. and i think it's becoming a real problem for the republican party. it just keeps happening. especially the lying about being jewish part. especially when your family literally fought for the not sees. so it's a close one honestly but i think i'll still give it

to george because that guy just provides so much entertainment even though he's doing the voters in this district a real disservice. and i'm looking forward to following his reelection campaign if it comes to that. >> you bring up an interesting point. josh, and to kaitlan's point for running for reelection, this is a guy who wants to run for reelection. and with my belief 78% of his own constituents want him to resign. i need to find out where -- how does he have that much confidence? 78, your own party's telling either resign, you have senators from your party who don't want you to show up at the state of the union basically don't want you to -- don't to be seen anywhere near you. i will possibly, run i've got it. >> because you can't listen to the haters, all right? so when people are out here listening -- >> is that what kind of comedians do? >> no matter how much they blew, i just keep talking, you know what i mean? you can't let them stop you just because the right or

something. >> you've gotta do you. >> you've gotta do you all the time. i hope he runs again and, i think we will find out he's d b cooper. i believe in him. i believe that he can come through with even bigger and better lies than last time. >> i was gonna say between now and then he can be many different things. we will see. >> caitlin let me ask you about luna here for a moment. you've got those republicans who, they accused ilhan oman of antisemitism. now they have one of their own members is once again claiming to be of jewish descent while having a grandfather who fought for not see germany. you literally cannot script this anymore. >> it's just another example of hypocrisy of the republican party. so much -- so often these days the republicans will throw anybody who even marginally expresses sympathy for that say a

palestinian or antisemitism these days which is -- a lot of the criticism of omar is along those lines. among other allegations. but i mean, let's be real here, the antisemites of america are by and large footing for republicans. i think the data sort of shows that. i don't expect to see any change of this, they need the numbers to keep the majority and we're just going to have to wait for them to get voted out of office. >> something tells me you're not gonna see the republicans punished either one of these two representatives for their transgressions. caitlin burns, thank you so much. josh johnson, thanks and congrats again on your new special, a pure killer myself. that was a running title for this show. that we were thinking about.

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but we went -- i spent eight hours with him. we went to little morocco in historian, and then we went on a helicopter ride in new jersey. and then we went to some steel welding facility. but that was on him. we got off the helicopter and then he saw these flashing lights and he's, like let's go over. there it's a restaurant. and i'm, like it's not a restaurant. he's like, yes it is a restaurant. and i was actually scared at that point for trespassing. but that was the best. and the best food i think was with a cabby named george, he was ghanaian and he took me to this ghanaian restaurant and papaya in the bronx. and it was amazing. >> this is an incredible universality and all of this, there's obviously a lot of adventure in this. what is it that you want people to know about these individuals but you meet these cabdrivers that for the most people, as we were saying, you get in the cab, you go about your business, you're probably looking on your phone and you're not connecting. what did you take away from this? >> i think everyone's interesting. and i think when we are walking

around, especially new york city, everything become so transactional. and like you go to the delhi, you look to the guy giving you your senate. you go to the coffee shop, you don't even look at the barista. people just aren't looking. and i think at the end of the day, there is so many interesting stories, so many interesting people, and they can honestly change the course of your day if you just give them a minute. so i've been practicing this kind of attitude of not constantly staring at my phone, looking my burst in the, i saying, thank. you just as simple as that. >> you can get in trouble in places like, bro, you are creeping me out. >> i'm from the, midwest from minnesota. when i went back, this -- i remember who it was, somebody was too nice. and it was like, are you messing with me? are you trying to mess with me or ruin my day? and they're just like -- that's what she said, how is your day? and i went, why are you asking me on my day was? do you want some recommendations for thrift shops in the neighborhood? i was, like you've gotten your business. >> new york is rubbing off on.

you let me ask you this, though, is it safe to say most of the people that you meet our immigrants? you yourself as on my are immigrants. how does that experience shaped the way you connect with these cabdrivers, these people? >> shout out egypt, number one. you know, i think it's like this shared experience and a shared connection so i think a lot of people have these hard shows around them, and they're nervous to open up or to become vulnerable. but i think because i'm an immigrant i'm able to kind of take people out of their shells especially but cabbies and once they see how stupid i am, they really opened up. >> they just too early on? when you get in the cabin new york and they say, hey i want to film you and keep paying. do they, say that sketchy of to pay upfront? you build the trust i guess. >> number one, when i say the words tiktok, they're in.

if i were to say hey i'm making a movie, that was i'm not interested. i say tiktok, and they say what's that count? or the call their kids and be like, hey, this guy, do you know anything about this channel? and they're like yeah, we do. so the tiktok thing opened them up very quickly and after they spend five minutes with me i'm very good -- >> they let your their guard down with. you >> i'm a good guy. >> what are you gonna do next? i know you've been approached by production companies. what are you gonna do with? that >> it's under wraps. i think we're gonna do a bunch of patron to support the show on tiktok. keep the meter running on digital. and you know, who knows what happens next. >> send me up, i'm all in on this. >> thanks so much. >> make sure to come back tomorrow night nine eastern on msnbc. i will be joined by wisconsin attorney general josh kaul to discuss the up coming state supreme court decision that could -- and a whole lot more. stay with us. and until then, i'm ayman will

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