- this is "the more you know" like you've never seen it before. - these are real talks... - real experiences... - used to spark real action. - join me and others... - as we get personal about making an impact. >> all right, that's all the time i have for today. thank you for sticking around with me. i'm paula ramos in firm at least tamanend is. and tomorrow michael still be here for american voices, but for now, it is time for a man what's up eamonn. >> hey paula, thank you so much. enjoy the rest of your evening. good evening to you, welcome to ayman. tonight, breaking news on former president jimmy carter, plus new details on special counsel jack smith in 2020 election interference

investigation. even more republicans have now been subpoenaed. and we will break down the findings on the georgia grant special jury report and what happens next in the fulton county da probe. i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. tonight, we begin with some major breaking news, former president jimmy carter has decided to receive hospice care after several short hospital stays. this according to a new statement from the carter center. quote, after a series of short hospital stays, former u.s. president jimmy carter today decided to spend his remaining time at home with his family and respective hospice care instead of additional medical intervention. he has the full support of his family and his medical team. the carter family asked for thoughts during this time and is grateful for the concern by his many admirers. carter, the 39th president, turned 98 in october. nbc news has learned that president joe biden is aware of former president joe carter's

decision and the white house is in touch with the carter family and close advisers. joining me now is peter baker, chief what correspondent for the new york times. he's also a msnbc political analysts. peter, first off, your reaction to the news, what more do we know at this hour? >> well, of course, everybody had come to think of president carter as almost immortal. he is live longer than any president in the history of the united states. 98, passed a george h. w. bush's record a couple of years back. he has the fight death and illness repeatedly over the last few years. he had cancer and then fought it very publicly and briefly and then announced that he had become cancer free after treatment. he fell several times, broke a hip, was back at his habitat for humanity project quickly after. every time, he seemed like he was taking a hit, he would bounce back. i think that is one of the things that has people, of course, so concerned tonight because this does not seem like

he believes he will be able to bounce back. he's putting the country on notice, in effect, that the end is coming soon. >> the former president obviously redefining what it means to be a former president, unlike any other president in american history, what he's done since leaving office. we know, peter, that the biden administration, as we just reported, that the president is in close contact with the quarters at this hour. can you talk about the long history between joe biden and president jimmy carter. these are two people that overlapped in american politics for many years, when joe biden entered the senate back in 1973. >> that's exactly right. they go back to the 1970s. in fact, joe biden was the first united states senator democrat to endorse jimmy carter's bid for president when he ran in 1976. they have that shared history there. president carter always remember the, always appreciated senator biden support when he was unknown on the national stage. and i think you saw that again

in april of 2021, shortly after president biden was inaugurated as president, he went down to georgia to visit jimmy carter at his home. he became the first sitting president ever to visit former president carter at his home and pay that respect and honor and talk about how important he was as a figure in the u.s. history. president carter had many years where he was something of a unpopular figure. democrats did not want to be associated with him because he lost the 1980 race. republicans used him to bash current day democrats repeatedly. i think the visit from president biden in april 2001 was a way of saying, no, we respect everything you've done, not just what you did in office but everything is done after office, focus on conflict, mediation, human rights, fighting diseases like guinea worm, building houses for the poor, et cetera, set a model for what the post presidency for everyone who came after him. >> indeed he did, peter baker, chief white house correspondent

for the new york times, thank you so much. of course, we will bring you any developments on former president carter's help as we get them throughout the program. tonight, we are also following major developments across the special counsel jack smith's multiple criminal investigations into donald trump. late last night, smith subpoenaed several arizona legislators, including the leaders of these the house and the senate, to testify in front of a grand jury as part of the justice department's investigation and into trump's efforts to reverse the 2020 election loss. the doj is also demanding any relevant documents relating to the election and all communications with trump or his campaign. that news comes on the heels of a new report from the new york times regarding another investigation smith's probe into trump's handling of classified documents. sources say federal prosecutors are attempting to side step claims of attorney client privilege between the ex president and at least one of his lawyers, mr. evan corcoran. the doj has reportedly asked the judge to apply something

called the crime fraud exception, which would compel coren to testify under oath without the protection of that privilege. the exception voids legal secrecy when a client has sought a lawyer's help in the commission of a crime. now corcoran is the attorney who back in january, if you recall, purportedly drafted a letter sent by another trump lawyer, christina bobb, in which she swore that all classified material in trump's possession had, in fact, been returned. but as we now all know, the court order search of mar-a-lago in august proved that to be a lie. this week, we also learned mike pence plans to fight a subpoena he received from smith regarding the doj investigation into trump's election subversion efforts. pence called the demand for's cooperation, quote, unprecedented and unconstitutional. in order to fight that subpoena, pence's legal team is expected to roll out an unusual legal strategy here, one that hinges on his role as the presiding

officer of the senate on january six. since his work that they technically fell under the legislative branch, pence claims that he issued that from discussing his actions under the speech and debate clause at the constitution. now, we will have to wait and see how that line of defense plays out, but pence has signaled he's willing to take the case all the way to the supreme court, and that makes smith's challenge of trump's attorney privilege and those claims even more significant. this week, the special counsel put the ex president and his allies on notice, showing that he is not afraid to fight to get to the truth and get it on the record. joining me now to discuss all of this, is lisa rubin, former leader and analyst for the rachel maddow show, and david rohde, executive editor for news 4. com and msnbc contributor. great to have both of you with us. lisa, i'll start with you. this is not the first time that the department of justice has

subpoenaed arizona lawmakers in their investigation into what happened in 2020, but talk to me about the significance of this, what might be different this time around under jacks mitt? >> you're right to say that this is not the first time in arizona. the last time around, the people they subpoenaed included the then-president -- i am sorry, the then speaker of the arizona house and a prominent arizona legislature. right now, the people that they're asking for help from our people that serve in those leadership capacities now, but more necessarily, leaders in the arizona house and senate then. one area i think jack smith might be trying to get at is what was their involvement in forwarding that arizona audit, that we knew took place for months after the 2020 election? that is also something he is interested in with respect to how trump's money at the same america pack was spent. i know that trump made 1 million dollar donation to the conservative partner institute, where mark meadows is not a partner. many people die at the time,

maybe that is a way of paying meadows. we know now that that money was then funneled to the arizona audit, and the leaders of the audit say didn't expect any money from trump. >> there are two things happening here. if you look at the subpoena for the lawyer and the crime fraud exception, i want you to talk about that for a moment. when you are looking at, he's moving about trucks. i know he has both investigations under his purview, which is the documents of mar-a-lago and 2020 attempted coup. but he is moving aggressively on both of these fronts simultaneously, and i want you to talk about the crime fraud exception and why that is significant. >> i thought the exception is significant because it is really the only way to get a lawyer who has been in attorney client communications to testify before a grand jury. not only does the client have to be -- that would assist them in the commission of a crime, but the communications themselves had to be sufficiently related to and in furtherance of the crime. what is significant there is that you have to ask yourself, what's the crime that jack smith is seeking evidence about?

i would venture to say that it is probably obstruction of justice and not just the unlawful retention of documents for the reasons that you are outlining at the beginning. it's about that june 3rd certification that mr. corcoran drafted and christina bobb signed, in which they said, we don't have any more classified documents here, and lo and behold, months later, the search was executed, and we learned that there were actually dozens more classified documents at mar-a-lago since. >> i would say, implicit in that for him, david, to go with the crime fraud exception, he must believe to some extent at that at the time, christina bobb knew that what she was signing was false, and therefore, compelling that lawyer to come forward. we know that donald trump, he likes to hide behind his privilege, whether attorney-client privilege or executive privilege, it's something that he constantly place. this would be a massive setback and make him legally vulnerable. >> i think this just shows how aggressive jack smith is being. he's pursuing both of the investigations very aggressively, not being

differential to corcoran or christina bobb, essentially saying that i suspect you are participating in crimes. they are all very dramatic developments, including pushing for the testimony of pence. >> how much do you think jack smith has learned from bob mueller in being this aggressive early on, or am i over reading into it? what do you think? i know it is speculative, but what is your take? >> i think it is terrific. obviously, the 2024 election is coming. this is exactly what he should be doing. he should be fact finding and fast. and if he does not find the facts, if he does not bring charges, i think we had to accept that also, just a shout out to jimmy carter, he signed the law that created independent counsels that subsequently became the special counsel that we have today. >> oh interesting, i did not know that. >> carter and ford together created all the checks on presidential power. they created the house and senate intelligence communities to bring in on the cia. they had the ethics and government act to disclose how

much money these officers make, which donald trump ignored. this is a great way a post-watergate reform. that is all jimmy carter. again back to jack smith, how do you hold a president accountable? it seems like jack smith is very aggressively trying to hold donald trump accountable. >> i would say that one way of holding him accountable's first beacon to his vice president, mike pence, who does not want to speak to jack smith. i want to read to you an interesting point from michael luttig, a -- he later testified in front of the house select committee, but here is what he said on a twitter threat, outlining that even if pence is able to proclaim protection under the speech or debate clause, that does not mean he would not have to testify. what do you make of luttig's assessment that mike pence, the former vice president, cannot simply hide behind the speech or debate clause? obviously, for two reasons, it's not just what he did on january the six in his role, but he, mike pence, has acknowledged that he spoke

extensively with the president weeks before he showed up on capitol hill that they about overturning the election. >> sure, he's written about extensively in wall street journal, and a bit, his books. the fact that he won't testify about leaves me strict -- scratching my head a little bit. going back to the judge, the obligation of the speech and debate clause through the vice president is an open question. he acknowledges that in his tweet thread. first, you have to ask yourself, is what mike pence was doing a legislative act? yes, he was on the dais of the senate, but he himself has this repeatedly that that was solely and a ministerial act. then you get to the second part of judge let takes question, which is, does that fall to me in a criminal investigation? there's never been a court case that set the speech and debate claws yields to me in a criminal investigation. then again, there's never been a case like this or never been a case where a constitutional officer sits at the intersection of both executive and legislative branch, as mike pence does. >> really quickly, david, why do you think mike pence is fighting the subpoena. he's written books, spoken out

about it, why does he not do the morally right thing and help the investigation figure out what happened on january six? >> politics, he still hopes to become president, and he should testify. john dean testified, he is a crime witness. he could talk about donald trump's state of mind leading up to january six. did he know he lost the election, these are critical facts for the prosecution? lisa david, sticking around. we have a lot more to talk about. coming up next the remarkable details of the georgia grand jury report. don't go anywhere.

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jury believes that perjury may have been committed by one or more witnesses testifying before it. that is what a panel in fulton county, georgia, stated in sections of its final report released this week. whomever might they meet, that

is the question between last june when the special grand jury began hearing evidence related to possible criminal interference in the 2020 presidential election and the completion of its work in december, it had heard evidence from, or involving, 75 witnesses, the great majority of which was delivered in person under oath. now, the grand jury also agreed unanimously that no wide spread fraud took place in georgia during the presidential election of 2020 that could result in overturning the election. now, which witness or witnesses does the jury think may have committed perjury? the guessing game will continue for a while. only a few pages of the report were released but the rest now in the hands of fani willis, the fulton county district attorney. let's bring back lisa rubin into the conversation. your top line reaction to the grand jury report this week. when you think we should be looking at? >> i think you should look at the number of pages because it

continues to stump me -- >> nine -- >> you see the introduction, which is a page and a half, the conclusion, less than a page and a half, but assuming that these things are numbered consecutively, it's no longer nine pages. we know that they heard from 75 witnesses we know that they sent out at least 18 parking letters, and we know that they promise in the introduction that they are going to tell us how each of the grand jurors voted yay or nay with respect to the crimes that they may have considered. that is remarkably short number of pages in which to do that all and so, some people are saying, let's diminish our expectations, maybe we're not going to see them recommending as many charges as people think. on the other hand, there are many possibilities here, including multiple chapters that are consecutively numbered. >> why is this happening like this? i think a lot of people who are not legal experts like yourself and not following closely, is this normal? second of all, how long of a

time between fani willis'decision to indict or not to indict law and the release of the grand jury report? >> let's start with is this normal, because even for legal experts, this is not normal. the georgia process of having a special grand jury to investigate without the power to indict and to issue a report written by the grand jurors themselves, that is extraordinary. that is not something we see every day. your question about what we can expect fani willis to indict, that is a hard one to answer. i think there will be indictments for no reason other than fani willis stood up in court to suppress the report, and she told the judge it would be unfair to potential defendants, plural, to have the entire thing released now. why? because you don't want this kind of information circulating out there, a, if the indictments are going to differ from what the grand jury recommended, but b, they don't have a different way of -- they don't have to process until the real criminal process starts. if that is the concern, that will suggest that we will see some indictments here. >> as a possible we don't see indictments?

i understand that some jurors voted against indictments? is that right? >> i am not sure if they did or did not, they just said they would reveal to us how they -- how they broke down in the voting for the recommendations. >> got it, lisa, thank you so much, i greatly appreciate your insights on this as well. up next, breaking news from the fall out of the suspected chinese surveillance balloon. stay with us.

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continued to cloud the biden administration to the response of the unidentified objects. news in canada have officially called of the search for the three objects taken down last weekend, so we might never know for sure what they were or where they came from, even though the american intelligence community says they were most likely balloons related to private companies for research or recreational purposes. nearly two weeks after the u. s. shut down the suspected chinese surveillance balloon, the biden administration finally publicly addressed the recent uptick in ufos, but the messaging was a little muddled to say the least, watch -- >> we don't yet know exactly what these three objects were, but nothing right now suggests that they were related to china's spy balloon program or that they were surveillance vehicles from any other country. >> the president said that the three other objects were not a threat to the u.s., so why shoot them down?

>> well, we, as the president said, have approached this with the first priority being the safety of the american people. after the chinese balloon incident, as it has been come to known, we wanted to sharpen the rules that apply to these types of incidents. >> but why shoot first if we did not have a policy in place? >> let's be clear, first of all, as it relates to the chinese balloon, we shot it down because it needed to be shot down. >> now, why use missiles that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to shoot down what we're most likely private balloons? is shoot first, ask questions later now established u.s. foreign policy? joining me now is mark -- a former officer and national intelligence analysts and david rohde is back with me. let me start with you, david, if i can. i want to get your reaction to this meeting between the secretary of state and his chinese counterpart. as i mentioned there, no official apology from the

chinese government. they have maintained the position that this was a weather balloon that strayed off course. does the fact that there was no apology raise the stakes, put more pressure on americans to act more aggressively going forward? >> i hope not, because the danger with national security is that it has become a partisan thing or you have the president trying to show how tough he can be, and republicans egging him on in that way. clearly, the chinese did not apologize today, but i think it's a concrete and positive think that the meeting happened there. i am not surprised that the chinese would not lose face and admit what it was. let's state the obvious, this was a surveillance balloon. but as he said earlier, i also think the biden administration has not handled it that will. they have been too secretive. there were speculations for days that these were all ufos. it could've been clear that we're talking about balloons. one was clearly a chinese surveillance balloon, the other three appeared to be private

balloons or research balloons. >> mark, what is your take away on this? if they are trying to gather intelligence on these balloons, why call off the search now? do you think that with these additional balloons, not the one that was shot off the coast of carolina but the other one shot off of canada and lake huron, was that perhaps an overreaction by the u.s. given how jittery everyone was because of the chinese balloon? >> sure, ayman, i think first and foremost, everyone on both sides want to get past this. david is right, the fact that we are on the diplomatic chart of the chinese is the right move. there's no doubt about the first incident, which was a chinese surveillance balloon. the other three, look, the pentagon and administration was quickly airing on the side of caution. they were getting beaten up on the hill for. this i think in an after action

review, we will understand more. it beat the radar systems, so as to see more. we learn more because we saw more, and they shot down those three objects. i don't think we will see that in the future again. , there will be some revisions on deduction. in general, the idea of shooting something down we don't know about is not a good idea. obviously, you want to study this. study the problem is the best action. i think as we move forward, intelligence, espionage scandals, always have a tendency to model up foreign policy. i think everyone wants to get past this very quickly. >> how much you think domestic policy shaped the administration reaction over the course of the two weeks of incidents? at the beginning, the administration was critical by republicans for not shooting it down. they would have shot it down over alaska. when he shoots it down over the coast of south carolina, -- they wait to then turn around what we just heard from the president and vice president, we don't know what we shot at, but we had to shoot them.

i am wondering, with this have been different if there was not all this up cry by republicans? >> yes, and it showed the effect of these republican voices. i think it makes the initial call which is to let the balloon across the usa right one, and it did get out of hand. it was a strange weekend as we can, where it seemed like there was this alert every few hours, another unidentified object. my line was that i would go out on a limb, and we are not under an alien invasion right now. that is the problem. they could have said much more clearly that these are all balloons, we don't know what they are. i think the administration could've been much more open publicly. i agree, it is great that china and the u.s. are talking. it's great that president biden will try to talk to president xi. we don't know when that will happen. the military hot-line between the two countries has not worked. the u.s. called but the chinese are not picked up. this is very serious stuff. these two militaries are incredibly powerful, so there will be more dialogue now, the better. >> marc, will you kind of look at americas relationship during the cold war with russia?

we had multiple channels, diplomatic, military, i am sure others that kind of prevented nuclear war, so to speak. it does not seem we have those same channels of communication right now with the chinese, am i incorrect in saying that? >> right, so that is a bit worrisome. look, i was in the cia for 26 years, even during the darkest days of the cold war, the cia and kgb had some kind of a relationship. we talked. we continue to do so now, amazingly enough. while we have a u.s. embassy in beijing, it seems like from reports at the pentagon, military to military channels are not working. that is something that perhaps the president can discuss when he has any high level phone call with president xi. that is something that has to be in place, and when you think about the incident now with the chinese balloon. imagine if there was something in the south china sea, imagine if there is something where the two militaries, the u.s. and china, we're facing off. we have a hotline. i think that is something that will be worked on in the near

future. >> let me ask you about this reporting from the wall street journal of balloons dating back to the trump administration. the wall street journal says that during the trump administration, intelligence officials were aware of suspected balloons and, quote, harbored concerns that they were related to china, believing beijing was using them to test radar jamming systems over sensitive u.s. military sites. this information apparently was not shared with trump and his staff at the time. a, do you think that is common that something at that level it would not necessarily make its way all the way up to the president for action and what do you make of this report that china has been using spy balloons for longer than at least the public right now currently knows? do we have a sense of how long they've been engaged in this practice? >> sure, i am not surprised at all. chinese espionage activities is massive. anything we can learn from this whole affair is the degree to which chinese spies on the u. s. -- by the way, we spy on china as well. it's also surveillance and reconnaissance, a surveillance balloon program.

they also have spy satellites and extensive human intelligence programming. china is the long term greatest threat to the u.s. in terms of the intelligence business, so it's certainly no surprise that this happened in the past. whether or not it was brief to the president, that is something that the secretary of defense or cia director of national intelligence decides to do or not in the presidents daily brief. i'm not particularly concerned about the. i don't know, frankly, if president trump prepared one way or the other in terms of the degree of interest in the intelligence product. but, ultimately, china spies on us, and again, this should be the wake up call to the u. s.. certainly, they are focused on it on the hill. i know in the entire u.s. security structure -- if we get something out of the whole affair, it's the degree to which china -- >> all right, marc polymeropoulos and david rohde, thank you, gentlemen, the both

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>> to be fair, madam ambassador, you have to win the primary. you talk about president biden a lot, but there are only two candidates in the republican primary, it's you and your former boss. >> and you guys are obsessed with me talking about him. >> you're the only two candidates. >> that was nikki haley's re-introduction to the world this week as a 2024 presidential candidate, unable or unwilling to differentiate herself from donald trump for her only current republican rival. >> what would you say are the differences, let's start with president trump, what policy differences do you have with him? >> well, i had a great working relationship with him. i consider him a friend. most of the policies that he did i totally agree with. >> is there anything specifically off the top of

your head that you would do differently, or that you disagree with him on? >> what i would tell you is that we had to look at the fact that mothers can't find baby formula. we have families that could not afford groceries -- >> so here is the thing, how long did nikki haley have to come up with an answer to that question? months? years? if she still can't answer a basic question like this, why is she running for president at all? let's take a step back for a moment and go back almost eight years to july, 2015, a time when nikki haley actually was not a laughing stock that she has become since. in the aftermath of the racist mass murder at the church in south carolina, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, authorized the removal of the confederate battle flag that and ordered over the state capital for decades. that bold, bipartisan move was supported and advocated for by nikki haley, the then governor of south carolina. it was at that moment that pundits started calling her the

future of the gop, but the future, it seemed, had other plans. as stuart stevens wrote in the new york times this week, no political figure better illustrates the tragic collapse of the modern republican party than nikki haley. there was a time not very long ago where she was everything the party needed to win. she was a woman when the party needed more women, a daughter of immigrants when the party needed more immigrants, a young changemaker when the party needed younger voters, and a symbol of tolerance when they took down the confederate flag when the party needed more people of color and educated suburbanites. the republican party needed so much, but instead, instead of getting what it needed, it got donald trump. quote, i will not stop until we fight a man that chooses not to disavow the kkk. nikki haley made that powerful

production in the early years -- excuse me, in the early months of 2016, denouncing trump as she campaigned at the time for marco rubio. that is not a part of our party, that is not who we want as president. those were her words, except that the bigotry is part of the party, and donald trump is exactly who the party wanted as president. once that became clear, governor haley eschewed her principles, she no longer had the courage of your convictions, that was replaced with opportunism. she voted for trump in the 2016 election, months after the decloration that he was not a part of our party, and then on top of that, she accepted a job from him to be his yuan ambassador. it turned out to be the beginning of a long, dark series of moral compromises for nikki haley. while at the united nations, she pivoted further to the

right, defending champs pulling out of the nuclear deal, withdrawing from the paris climate agreement and inflaming tensions in the middle east by changing embassies from israel to jerusalem. deradicalization on domestic issues was even greater days after the 2020 election, she voiced initial support for trump's attempts to overturn the election results, tweeting out, despite what the media tells us, election fraud does happen. that needs to stop. so nikki haley is now at a crossroads, and it is clear, she does not know what to do. she is running against donald trump for the republican presidential nomination, but so far, she has refused to separate herself from anything to do with donald trump. look, can you blame her? she hugged him so tight for so long, that she risks seeming like a disingenuous politician

who road trump's coattails for her own political benefit. maybe though, that's just what she is, like so many others in the era of trump, as she sacrificed their principles to get ahead, and now that she wants to get even further ahead, she's maybe beginning to realize that she can't, because you can't reclaim the moral high ground when your morals have been in the basement for almost a decade. that brings us to this week, where at her launch event in charleston, the very city where she spearheaded the effort to remove the confederate flag almost eight years earlier, we finally saw how far nikki haley had fallen. out of all the people that she could've chosen, haley selected notorious pastor john hagy to perform her campaign invocation. the put this in perspective, in 2008, john mccain refused hagy's endorsement due to a long list of offenses that included claiming the holocaust was a divine plan from job, claiming he was a half breed jew.

he said hurricane katrina was a punishment for gay pride parades, and that women were only meant to be mothers and bear children. nikki haley once said that john mccain was a personal hero to her. now, she is embracing the man that mccain denounced. that is nikki haley in a nutshell. she is not a ron desantis or a kari lake, leading the way on a radicalize republican platform, she is a follower, a person who knew better and still decided that it was worthwhile to develop disgusting beliefs just to simply get ahead, and if this week is any guide, it likely won't get her anywhere. she will just be a morally bankrupt also ran, whomay get what she deserves, nothing. we will be right back. for severe eosinophilic asthma. nucala is not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face,

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john adornment korean ceo of when it -- mercy corps, that is facilitating release efforts in syria. it's good to see you again. thank you for your time. describe the situation on the ground in syria begin what you're hearing. >> the situation on the ground is dire, and that's because they are coming to an already dire situation. before the earthquake, we were delivering humanitarian assistance in syria due to the decades long conflict that you mentioned, so you're already dealing with a population where the infrastructure has already been quite weekend and damaged in terms of building quality. there has been an outflow of talent in hospitals and other critical things, and these are citizens that have been on the move that were already receiving critical food and shelter from organizations like ours, we were serving about

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go through and pass a lot of other trauma to get to the trauma of syria. we also had the situation where syria did not have the same kind of rubble remover and heavy machinery to really clean up as well and to get the people after the earthquake, so it's a little bit more difficult to navigate the terrain on top of the fact that it is a very cold and brutal winter with a lot of snow and rain, so, we are doing things as basic as even putting down gravel and displacement camps where we were already working. it's very, very difficult. we think that there are about 300,000 people in immediate need of assistance in syria, and in needs that we are giving right now include basics shelter, tarps, things like jerry cans, solar lamps, blankets, mattresses, people do not have adequate shelter at

all. just helping people to get a roof over their head, food and some warmth is our priority. as we go forward, we will continue with food, more durable shelter solutions for people and also just helping, beginning to think about the rebuilding effort. >> can you talk to us a bit about the syrian government in this? the syrian president bashar al-assad admits he needs help. is the government helping or slowing down relief efforts? what do you know about what the central government in damascus is doing on this front? >> one of the things that we try to urge donors is to really focus on where the aid is most needed and not where it is the easiest to reach. the assad administration has been open to more border crossings. they have been open. the part of northwest syria

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