with me here in ukraine. that does it for me. thank you for watching. casting back here next weekend as our velshi coverage from ukraine continues in our brand-new timeslot, and am to noon eastern. joining me this week through the week evening hours tomorrow 4 pm eastern. tomorrow at 8 pm eastern, i'll be sitting in for chris hayes and all this week. i'll also be in on tuesday at 4 pm eastern for my friend nicole wallace. stuart where you are. alex witt reports begins right now. now. >> a very good day to all of you from nbc news here in los angeles. welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. developing this hour. diplomatic tensions are rising between the u.s. and china on multiple fronts. the newest, accusations china maybe supplying russia or may in future supply russia with

lethal aid in its war against ukraine. it comes the secretary of state anthony blinken met with china's top diplomat this weekend. exchanging strong words two weeks after the u.s. shut down a chinese spy balloon off the carolina coast. earlier today, and i see spokesperson john kirby stress the importance of repairing the u.s. china relationship. >> the president said he billing to dock to president xi in the future. and he will. we still have lansing on occasion open with china as you saw yesterday in munich. that's important. particularly when there's times of tension like this. you want to avoid the risks of misunderstanding and miscalculation. >> secretary blinken issued a warning to china about its spy craft to. key house republicans today amplifying their concerns over the blue and being able to fly across the u.s.. >> the reality is that the administration admitted that after it had shut down the balloon that it should've been more proactive. in the three subsequent

shutdowns that it did of what appears to be harmless objects over north america. the administration does have nato -- a shift in the city can taking all of this a lot more seriously. being more forward also over the american public of what china's toward are facing or there has -- espionage plans for. >> meantime, safety concerns are growing east palestine, ohio, after two weeks after the hazardous train development there. community members are demanding answers as the federal government deploys more resources to help the area. earlier today, democratic senator sharon brown promised the railway company, nor folks southern, will be held responsible. >> these things are happening because the railroads are simply not investing the way they should in car safety and in the rail lines themselves. we are working together on this, to make sure that nor focus southern lives up to everything and he said do. it's way more than 1000 dollar check per person. all the cleanup, all the drilling, all the testing, all

the hotel stays. all of that is on nor folks other. they caused it. >> breaking news. former president jimmy carter is now receiving hospice care at his georgia home following a series of hospital stays. according to a stephen from his foundation, the 98-year-old has decided to spend his remaining time at home with his family. instead of having additional medical intervention. we're gonna have more that certainly in just few minutes for you. first, retired nbc's monica alba who's at the white house with new words today on those tensions between the u.s. and china. what are we hearing about how the president plans to address some of these issues? >> tensions on a couple of different fronts here, alex. good to be with you. we did hear from secretary of state anthony blinken. first on this major issue we've been talking about four weeks for the u.s. shooting down that chinese spy balloon over the atlantic. this is something that was a topic of conversation. when he met with his chinese counterpart in munich last night.

he told our own shocked out that he received no apology from the chinese for sending that surveillance capability balloon over the united states. that he delivered a very serious message saying that there was simply unacceptable and i think that is helping to ease the current tensions with china. this is now a broader conversation about what happens next in the communication between these two nations and the president has said he would like to speak with chinese president xi jinping in the future. i'm told that no call has been set yet and sometimes those take weeks to set up. the secretary of state is also dealing, of course, which -- in another serious issue but here is a little bit more of his conversation earlier on meet the press before we dive into the other major topic on the other side. >> this is, obviously, among the most consequential but also complex relationships that we have. we have a strong interest and try to manage relationship

responsibly. and to make sure, to the best of our ability, the competition doesn't fear into conflict or into cold war. i don't think that's an interest. >> that is been the main line from the white house in the last couple of weeks. this is all about strategic competition but the president said in his own exclusive phone call with our peter alexander just a couple of days ago that he doesn't think that president xi wants to tear this relationship. there is another issue now complicating that matter. that is that secretary blinken said that he believes china is considering providing lethal aid to russia in its war against ukraine. the reason that that is significant is because we learn from our own courtney kube yesterday that u.s. officials already believe china is supplying nominally filet aid to russia from in that battle against ukraine. that is another big part of the conversation. as president biden heads to poland tomorrow to mark the one year anniversary of russia's

war in ukraine. where he will be emphasizing the strategic alliance with our european allies and talking about this and the role again the china potentially could play in this war and conflict as well. >> definitely gonna be a dominant part of this week's conversation. thank you so much, monica alba. on the heels of that, let's bring in peter baker, msnbc political analyst and chief white house correspondent for the new york times. welcome, my friend. here we go, peter. in your new article. biden tries to calm tensions over chinese aerial spying. you say that the president wants to have a conversation with president xi to register his objections to the chinese surveillance machine. also to see the lines of communication open. you heard there's been no apology yet in that balloon being flown by china. how would you characterize this balloon battle and who's winning? >> there are domestic politics and there's international politics. the domestic politics for president biden are that he has to look tough about chinese

encroachment on u.s. airspace. he is repeatedly saying -- acceptable, of all -- blinken repeated the message to the chinese directly. the international politics of it are or that they don't want this to blow up into a bigger issue than it already is. you heard secretary blinken say that to chuck todd. they want to manage this responsibly. that's the key phrase there. manage responsibly. not allow it to blow up in two months-long crisis that means they can continue any kind of a conversation. black and council is here to beijing after that spy balloon was forced to take it over american airspace. in talking to him at munich, reopening that communication. what president biden wants to do next to talk to president xi directly. >> do you have any intelligence whether or not diplomatic or conversational tides have been reestablished between the pentagon and its counterpart in china? so far, they weren't taking the defense secretary's calls. >> that's exactly right. defense or terry lloyd austin culturally after the bloom

became public. to speak with his counterpart in china. chinese counterpart would not take his call. that's not obviously a good sign for communication. we don't know that's been established since then. any kind military to military conversation, that's an important thing to avoid misunderstandings. to avoid accidental escalations that can happen in a front relationship like we have with the chinese. pretty important priority for this ministration to try to reopen those lines. >> yeah. so domestically, peter, president biden is facing criticism from republicans for being too soft on china. in your article, you said the pushback has forced the white house to recalibrate its public message in response to both the domestic politics that home of the diplomatic challenge abroad. in what way? is biden's cautious approach to china being misconstrued as weakness? >> well, look, that's a possibility. that's always a worry. you have to make sure that your response to provocation is --

firmness that your adversary overseas since the perceived to be weakness. we've seen again and again with russia how a response to various provocations of henri putin has engaged in over the years did not deter him from invading ukraine fully. almost zero go this next week. i think that's an important calculation. you're right, he's also suffering ordering a lot of criticism at home for republicans who want him to be tougher. you saw him come out of public to address this for the first time this week. that's a response to the public for capitol hill. which does beto include some democrats as well who are demanding more transparency. i think you southern grove with east of their objects. you've known turns out we don't think that there are a spy object after. all they did she come down relatively quickly. without knowing what they were. at least there's some suspicion domestic politics came into those decisions. what they've done that had they not been under criticism? we don't know for sure. >> they also say that they could potentially in a feud with commercial airspace. that was legitimate reason for shooting those down. let me ask you about your

paper's reporting which is that american officials are warning china's far along developing military technology that operates in this unregulated high altitude zone of near space. how critical should china's growing presence in it near space be? how important is it that the u.s. get on top of it? >> obviously, it is important. you don't want to have unregulated airspace up there. we have normally regulated to the altitude that commercially a liners typically fly in. this sort of in between sewn between that part of the atmosphere and the actual space has been sort of -- a wild west, if you will. that's one thing that president biden is a fine senator blinken to take on to look for rules, regulations he can negotiate with international partners around the world to try to see if they can't come up with rules of the road if you, will for, that part of the atmosphere. that doesn't seem like something that china is going to agree to anytime soon. they complain that the united states has put spy craft over

their territory. something that the administration has denied. demonstrations gun around the world now telling countries and allies in various parts of the globe that chinese have had these balloons over 40 different countries. in recent times. that's obviously a much bigger problem than a single balloon over montana. >> listen, that includes over the united states airspace. new reporting from the wall street journal as you know says the trump era officials were aware of suspects was at u.s. airspace. small circle of intelligence officials at the pentagon tree determinants ration monitored a series of mysterious objects now suspected to be balloons. the incidents were never reported to the white house. it wasn't clear what they were. there's my question. where were they not tell donald trump? are you hearing anything about that? it's impossible they feared his response? >> i haven't heard that. i think there is a lot of things that get detected by the system. that we don't know what they are. they don't appear necessarily to be an immediate threat that only later on we have more

information. we reevaluate. that's clearly what's happened here. in those three instances that one report of the trump era, when we're told now anyway is that they were over u.s. airspace for much shorter period of time the net balloon we saw a couple of weeks ago. they were not going over the entire continental united states. there was more over i think it was over pacific islands, the pacific coast. i think that meant they did not take it seriously. they didn't seem to be a -- sustained threat. obviously, in hindsight, they're gonna go back and look at all these records now and try to reevaluate. >> okay, peter baker, hope to see you next sunday again. meantime, thanks for the sunday. appreciate you. meantime, the new reaction today to the tire situation in east palestine ohio. where residents are demanding answers now two weeks after that hazardous trainer element. ohio senator sarah brown placing the blame for the disaster on north to southern's safety practices. >> these things are happening because the railroads are simply not investing the way they should. car stave tv and in the array

alliance themselves. >> nor folks southern ceo alan shaw made his way to town yesterday. meeting with community members, local leaders, in some railroad workers according to the company's senior communications manager. meanwhile, the federal government is also deploying help to the area. sending medical personnel from both the cdc and hhs. joining me now from east palestine, we've nbc source elise. george, welcome, give me the latest and tell me how the town is continuing to monitor air and water quality. >> good afternoon, alex. the town continues to have air and water quality throw today. we've noticed a number of water giveaways giving a sense that people here still don't trust that messaging from officials that the water is safe. those still on well whatever concern if they haven't had their well water tested. many still concerned that the ceo, while anton yesterday, met with a few people, -- a town of people that's where

the expectation was. we actually got a glimpse of a water testing lab connecting some very important research that's going to impact a lot of people in this community. >> this collection of jars and vials in akron, ohio, it may hold the answer to what is safe to drink for hundreds of thousands in the coming days and weeks. >> we have been working nonstop. >> and our mental engineer -- and his team -- >> have been testing water from near the norfolk southern train development and east palestine. >> what are your findings? >> the results are kind of still confidential between us and the client. we are not supposed to discuss the results. with anybody. >> those are the results you are waiting for. some east palestine residents even waiting to get a test. >> nobody's come in a road untied with anybody to see the need the water tested. >> of a contract at the county where the crash occurred. at the one next over to analyze water samples collected from

residents wells. >> this from right here is where all the samples are brought in. sorted before they're tested. >> complex machinery testing for more than 175 compounds including the hazardous chemicals and where the derailed train that maybe seeping into waterways well beyond the wreck site. >> it takes time for pollution from the source of contamination with individual work. >> for those of using water, ohio's governor has stressed test show water in the area is safe. >> you do not need to drink bottled water if you're on municipal water. >> and new developments on the ground and east palestine today. >> where are you here? >> fox news coming across the ceo of norfork southern. >> here to support the community. >> the rail company confirming to nbc news, allen charlottetown meeting with community members and crews working at the crash site. alston allen's palestine, representatives from fema working with other government agencies, trying to help this

community get back to a sense of normal. >> we know now that the ceo is back in atlanta, no word yet if you returned east palestine to meet with more residents, men on the coming days we're expecting clinic here to open to address the residents health concerns a little further. alex? >> okay, duly noted, he's been there, he's left, appreciate, that george. heading back to class after bullets fly on campus. what students at michigan state are saying about returning to east lansing tomorrow. later, reaction to the lawsuit against fox news. ep, so when our windshield cracked, we needed it fixed right. we went to safelite.com. there's no one else we'd trust. their experts replaced our windshield, and recalibrated our car's advanced safety system. they focus on our safety... so we can focus on this little guy.

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three weeks from now, even more proof this election was stolen. do a? s stolen do a >> right now, former president jimmy carter's that home receiving hospice care, according to a statement from this foundation, the 98-year-old has decided to, quote, forego any further medical treatment and will spend his remaining time at

home. nbc's priscilla thompson is in the presidents hometown of planes, georgia. priscilla? >> alex, this was a decision that was made by president carter himself after a series of short hospital stays. that's according to the statement that was released by the carter center. they said the former president ultimately decided that he wanted to live out his remaining days at home with his family surrounding him. and we heard from his grandson late yesterday, after this announcement came out, saying that he had visited with his grandparents, just a short while ago, and that the carters were, quote, at peace and as always, their home is full of love. and at 98 years old, the former president carter has lived a remarkable life, and certainly a long life. he is the longest-living former president ever, outliving the two presidents who served after him, and his own vice president.

during that time, after the presidency, he has worked tirelessly on issues like peace and human rights. he continued to volunteer every year for habitat for humanity. and this is not the first time that he has faced a question of the end of life. he was diagnosed when he was in his 80s with melanoma that wasn't his liberal, timothy spread to his brain. he received treatment for that. was able to relate to fight the odds in that situation. i want to play some of what the former president said at that time about how he was feeling about the end of life. take a listen. >> i just thought i had a few weeks left. but i was surprisingly at ease. you know, i've had a wonderful life. i have friends, and i've had an exciting and adventurous and gratifying existence. >> that is the sentiment we've

heard echoed in this community with one person describing it as getting this news about a grandparent where you know that they're getting older and you know that this time will come, it is still a very difficult, but it's also a celebration of all that he has accomplished. as he continues to live out his remaining days here in planes, georgia, the place where he was born and the place he has called home everson's leaving the white house. alex? >> all, right priscilla, we all certainly which the former president well, his family as well. meanwhile, there was this, the secret service sent a moving message to the former president, writing on twitter, rest easy, mister president, we will be forever by your side. after his announce carter would be returning home for hospice care. very touching. well, students at michigan state university return to class for the first time since three students were shot and killed on the campus last week. on saturday, students remember the victims during a moment of silence at the women's

basketball home game. >> it was overwhelming, the victims names and faces going through my head, just all of the trauma, hearing the screams. it was, it was a lie. we are moving forward, we are not living in fear, we are not just bound by the actions of some evil person. we are -- a community. >> nbc's just encourages in east lansing. that is one brave kid right there, or not this haunt him. overall, jesse, how are students coping with this return to campus? it is hard to imagine, campus life ever returning to that same normal for the students who did live through such a nightmare. >> yeah, alex, it's hard to imagine what people are going through as they make their way back to campus to get ready to restart class. you heard from that student there, we have talked with some people who are ready to come back to class. i know that some of those students who had spoken with last week, at least one was unclear exactly when that

student would be ready to come back. i think everyone is probably going to have their own, right, their own pace as they get ready for these things. one of the things that stood out to me was this professor that i spoke with, he said he was teaching seven of the eight students who were shot monday night. he said if the school wants him to teach the class, he will teach it because he thinks that might be something supportive for his students. all of this as this community continues to grieve while moving toward, as you put, to a new sense of normal. >> the final goodbyes have begun. 19 year old, arielle anderson, 20 year old brian frazier, and 20 year old alexandria verner, on it saturday, after police say gunman opened fire at michigan state university monday night and killed all three students. >> taught us to love, taught us to live, and taught us to have great hope. >> werner and frazier memorialized at funeral masses. >> brian, thank you, thank you for all that you have given to us through your short life.

it is packed with love and goodness and serenity. >> anderson robert at a vigil, heartbreak still raw on -- saturday. more tributes last night as the men's team played instate rival, michigan, classes resuming monday for the first time since the shooting. >> so, all of this unfolding, as we know, turkey hall, where the shooting, one of the shooting locations, we are told it will not reopen again, at least through the end of this semester. that was the scene a very harrowing and unfortunately deadly scenes. alex, we expect an update from officials here within the hour, as we get ready, again, to bring students back to campus. this is the university of more than 50,000 students, alex. >> yeah, that particular building, the classroom with the professor with whom you've spoken to those students that were killed there, i can

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heads explode. the reason as they cannot stand minority female conservative being, not being a democrat. what i will tell you is, the reason that bothers them, they know it bring in independents, they know i pull in suburban women and minorities. >> joining me now is -- calloway, democratic strategist who founded the national -- fund. we have susan bill purcell, republican strategist. and david jolly from the republican congressman from florida, -- nbc political analyst, otherwise known as my sunday family. hi, guys, good to be reunited. here we go, don. give me ear response to what you heard from nikki haley. do democrats fear and nikki haley? remain, i think -- >> no, not at all, that was an incredibly arrogant response. here is the deal about nikki haley, all democrats have to do is run against her record. if you talk to the people who are there in south carolina, the -- law and once he writes, they'll tell you she kept the party

line on everything that is anti that occult democrats. frankly, that are losing issues in the american populist. she's battling portion writes, she's bad on voting rights, nikki haley will run around for the next two years telling us that she took the confederate flag down from the south carolina state capitol. but guess what? it took a massacre of nine people at mother emmanuel church for that to happen. there is no general appeal that nikki haley has. certainly not black folks. and she does not scare democrats one bit. she is gonna have to tow the republican party line as their nominee. >> listen, i hear you say that there is a level of arrogance there. any chance to just trying to display confidence, don? >> yes, and i want to make allowance for that to make sure that i'm not saying something that's holding women to a double standard. >> it can be both. >> it can be both. she is confident, she is right to be confident, she's never lost a race. there are very few people in america who have served as governor. she has the credentials to run. she doesn't scare democrats. >> okay, what about, you susan? ron desantis is not even in the

race yet. yet, nikki haley already appears to be taking him on. in fact, take a listen to what she said while out campaigning. >> it was all this talk about the florida bill, don't say gay bill, basically what it said is that you should be able to quit jenner before third grade. i'm sorry, i don't think that goes far enough. >> here is my question. first of all, what do you make of that? the question, as is the republican primary gonna end up being a battle of extremist ideas? >> yeah, you know, i was hopeful that nikki haley could maybe take a new lane with republicans as the center-right candidate option. but the more you listen to her -- >> hang on. susan, would she get anywhere if she did that? in the republican party? >> being the first person in the race and being that new hampshire will be still the first primary of the republican party's nomination process, and

that independents can vote in that primary, they won't be voting in the democratic primary because there won't be one, there was a lane for her. but right now, her focus seems to be on talking about generational change of hate. it is just passing on from one generation to the next within the party. that's what she's really focused on. to don's point about the confederate flag, she wouldn't bring it up until after the primary. notice, she hasn't brought it up in any of her conversations because she is afraid it may make her seem to mainstream. so, i do think, unfortunately, she is gonna go in the culture wars. as far as taking on desantis, now, that i think was a smart move. guess who's gonna really like that? donald trump. >> well, good point there. so, david, as we look at the big picture here, pull of a potential gop primary field has trump leading right now 42%, ron desantis comes in a 36, nikki haley is in third at 5%. mick romney made the point.

the more people who jump into this race will splinter republicans and then likely hand trump the nomination. do you agree with that? >> yeah, very much so. you know, there is a question, who catches momentum? that is a great unknown right now. theoretically, a head to head race between attempt -- probably beats the former president. in a wide open field, you have donald trump's really solid 30, 35% on the party. the rest gets diluted among a lot of candidates. and i think watching nikki haley's posture, as you and susan were just discussing, it is very informative about how competitive it might be for ron desantis, and ultimately benefit donald trump. nikki haley passed on the opportunity to do the reasonable, and instead, she will be no, in her opening remarks we know for two things. it will be the cognitive test, age discrimination position that she took. it will be don't say gay didn't go far enough. that's an indicator for this

primaries going. it makes it hard for desantis to stand out, frankly. >> okay, guys, we're gonna have been turned to the new accusations against fox news. as you, know the newly--- court documents in voting systems, 1.6 billion dollar lawsuit suggest, fox personalities privately blasted donald trump's false claims of a stolen election, and yet continue to promote many of those lies on their shows. so, let's take a listen together to some of what fox news hosts have said on the air. fox news hos>> if you are trump votd you suspect that this election was stolen, was rigged, you're on to something. and if the tech companies, above all, that did it. >> i assume that you're getting to the bottom of exactly what dominion is, who started dominion, how it can be manipulated if it is manipulated all, and what evidence do you have to prove this? >> the dominion -- i know there were voting irregularities. tell me about that. >> okay, fox news says that it

stands by its election coverage and it's broadcast are protected by the first amendment. it is also said in a statement, dominion has mischaracterized the record, cherry-picked quotes, stripped of key context, and spilled considerable ink on facts that are irrelevant under black letter principles of defamation law. so, don, give me your reaction to these new revelations. and if dominion wins in court, big if still, but if it does, how might that affect news organizations across the board? >> yeah, you know, i think it's a pretty damning piece of evidence from a trial lawyer prospective in favor of dominion. if i'm fox news's lawyers, i have to be thinking about settling. we would hope that that would set some level of precedent. but the reality is, for the folks who are deeply -- let's be clear, that's what this is about. fox making money off of this division and misinformation. folks that are deeply profiteering, they'll find ways around whatever federal court precedent says. what worries me is that the

show is not only, these behaviors have had not such a profound effect on our elections and our politics, sure, but they have fundamentally altered the way we treat each other as americans. that is going to be a problem that really contextualize foxes effect for generations to come. >> let's drill down a look at some of the tech specific, i'm gonna get to the financial aspect you got two in just a second. but these text between fox news host, tucker carlson, laura ingraham, were quoted in the court documents. carlson told ingram, quote, sydney powell is lying, by the way, i caught her, it's insane. ingram responds, sydney is a complete nut, no one will work with her, data with moody. so, here are fox's biggest hosts, saying they don't believe donald trump's big lie. the question to you, susan, will this change the minds of fox news viewers? >> absolutely not. i think that they will follow these host, even if they were to leave fox, which i'm not suggesting that they will. it is up to fox to decide who

runs their network. is it the personalities and talent or is it donors and management? because this is clearly an example of letting, you know, the lunatics around the asylum, as far as i'm concerned. and it's extreme. and this lawsuit in itself is very significant. the fact that it's proceeded along this route, it is incredible. it is so hard to make this, to prove this case. and yet, time and time again, fox has not been able to get it dismissed. >> well, david, to susan's point, proves who is running the network. there is something, aside from mocking these claims from sydney powell or rudy giuliani, it also appears that at least one fox host tried to silence some of their own reporters who were legitimately pushing back on some of the lies. in the court file, tucker carlson was quoted as saying, in response to porter fact-checking chomping called him out. here's a quote, please get her fired. it needs to stop immediately,

like, tonight. it's measurably hurting the company. the stock prices down. not a joke. what does the cedillo? what is your reaction all the allegations round these fox host coast? >> you don't wanna pay everyone out fox news with a broad brush, there's three journalist there. i think most general interpretation of all, this largely their primetime host entertainers and not journalist. the journalist would be fired in this moment, should that have been coming out, if there is doing one thing privately, presenting another story to the public. they would be fired. so, the most generous interpretation is that they're not journalist, there entertainers. i think the more true assessment of carlson, ingram, and the others, their absolute frauds. i mean, they're entertaining an audience with lies every night. it goes back to some of the most controversial televangelist stories from 20 and 30 years ago. that's who they are. so, from a corporate standpoint, as john pointed, out it's all about profit. it is working. but i do worry, the end user effect here is outside of the

courtroom. it's half of the country that actually believes they lied. and it demonstrates the culpability of fox news hosts in the events of january six from the big lie perpetrated by donald trump. >> don, as the lawyer here on the panel, i'm just gonna ask you, with fox knowing what was going to be figured out and revealed, why would they not have settled this thing before letting all of this dirty laundry get out of the public domain? >> well, two reasons, first of all, they make too much money being based upon exactly who they are. the second reason is that they probably enjoy the chaos that it spurs. there is a certain base that -- people pay to, you know, subscribe to, they receive advertising dollars for catering to that base. and i think that they enjoyed being the mechanism for that section of society. >> okay, don, susan, david, you guys, thank you. interesting chat. appreciate you all. approaching one year since the start of russia's war on

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them in their efforts to uphold their territorial integrity, their independence, their sovereignty. it's really important, whatever happens, in terms of our own interests, that there be adjusted durable peace. >> but this comes as public support for providing funding to ukraine could be slipping. a new poll shows 48% of americans approve of providing weapons to ukraine. that is down 12 points from may of 2022. and today, the libertarian party and the peoples party are holding a rage against the war machine rally at lincoln memorial to protests billions and funding for ukraine. joining me now is nbc's marissa. welcome. what are you seeing at this rally? what is the tenor of it? >> so, i'll start first with what we're hearing. you can probably hear it as well. they just started the speaker section. the march is not supposed to start for another couple of hours here. but before that, we were hearing music blasting on the speakers, all of the stereotypical anti-war, or anti

government songs you can imagine. but it is with the posters, the signage that this is where you see a little bit more -- there are those who are here because they're anti-war as a whole, because of the cost of human life, those are the ones that are carrying the anti-war or world peace like signs. then there are those who say that we should not be involved in this war. perhaps some of them, as we've spoken to a number of them in the crowds here, some are pro russia. others are saying, we should not be involved, as the united states, because it will cost, whether it's dollars and cents, or just the cost overall. some of them say, in general, when it comes to u.s. involvement, it's two great of a toll, take a listen. >> this is the fate of humanity, right here. we have to avoid a nuclear war. that's what it comes down to. >> we have too much we need money for here. we have gone through korea, vietnam, afghanistan, iraq, all of these wars. we have lost every one of them.

we have spent trillions of dollars, thousands of lives. you know, why don't we have them take care of america first? >> so, this is a non partisan presence here. it we see a number of libertarian, independent sided here. we're expecting to hear from speakers like -- paul and -- as we mentioned, as we're approaching the one year anniversary of russia's invasion of ukraine, regardless of the reasons for being here, the people that are here, that is a diverse array of opinions. they believe that we, as the united states, should not be involved. alex? >> okay, marissa, thank you for keeping us updated there. from annexed our, a pennsylvania member of congress with important perspective on john fetterman's battle with depression. also, wrapping it up, making new science from the doj about the probes into the former president.

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battle. special counsel, jack smith, into the mar-a-lago documents case in the january 6th insurrection, appears to be intensifying. this comes as to close former donald trump allies have been subpoenaed. those being former vice president mike pence and just this past week, former chief of staff, mark meadows. joining me now, civil rights attorney and former brooklyn prosecutor, charles coleman. charles, welcome. both pence and meadows are very high-profile witnesses. so, what does this tell you about where the investigation stands right now? >> well, alex, what i've been saying from the very start is that mark meadows, for me is, likely the linchpin in terms of any doj investigation turning into a prosecution. the reason i say that is because, as the chief of staff, he had unfettered access to donald trump. in many respects, he is not gonna be able to rely on some of the executive privilege exclusions that mike pence and others have claimed when they are trying to evade prosecutors in their investigation. i think that mike pence being

subpoenaed is an important sign. what they're trying to do their is to ultimately get information and possible testimony from a witness that -- credible in front of a jury. for me, again, because mark meadows has been so quiet. he's the real important witness that people need to be watching. >> interesting. let's take a listen to what some of what penn said in his excuse for why he's not gonna comply, at least try not to without subpoena. >> i am gonna fight the biden doj subpoena. to prepare before the grand rapids. unprecedented. it is unconstitutional. my fight is on the separation of powers. my fight against the doj's subpoena, it's simply on defending the prerogatives that i had as president of the senate, to preside over the joint session of congress on january 6th. we're prepared to take this fight into the court and if need be taken to the supreme court of the united states.

>> let me help you get the whole story though. as you know, pence is expected to launch a 2024 presidential bid. so, how much do you think his aversion to testifying isn't only about constitutional principles, but also getting on the right side of donald trump's base of supporters? >> listen, alex, you hit the nail right on the head. this is of course politically motivated. as someone who has presidential aspirations. if anything, he's positioning himself as a political martyr, someone who, as he will ultimately be forced to testify, or at least cooperate the doj investigation by federal courts and federal judges. he's positioning himself as someone who can basically say, look, i'm a victim of the biden doj's agenda. this is even more reason why we need someone fighting for me. this ultimately is nothing more than a political play. i would like to think that most lawyers advising him have already instructed him that this is going to be a losing battle in the long run. >> i want to get a question and to you about mar-a-lago and trump's attorney and the probe, that being evan corcoran.

jackson says that he is not protected by attorney client privilege in this case. a source familiar with the matters says, so that wants corcoran to testify before a grand jury. what is this tell you, charles, about doj and how vigorously they're still pursuing this despite president biden, the, now having a document issue of his own? of course, he cooperated willingly. >> well, i think it's important to understand those things are apples and oranges. for the raise money just mentioned, and a number of different other ones, including the volume in the scope, as well as the national archives and the fbi attempting -- before the execution of a search warrant at mar-a-lago, attempting to cooperate with former president and donald trump. to get those documents. these are very different. that being said, i think because of the fact we are such an intentional space when you're talking how donald trump acted with respect to trying to give back the documents or avoid getting back to documents, what he is trying to do is basically, how do we solidify who can establish the intent

that donald trump displayed when he kept those documents away? so, what they're doing, and why they're going after the witnesses that they are. >> listen, it's pretty simple, donald trump said, quite plainly, these things are mine, these documents are mine. so, take that for what you will. thank, you my friend. good to see, charles. coming your way in the next hour, a -- from a high-profile republican expressing fears that donald trump cannot be stopped in his effort to be the next gop presidential nominee. we'll get reaction to that. plus, a headline near east palestine ohio, here's how it reads. ground zero, residents fear for their health, search for answers, a report next on the dire situation. dire situation

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