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very much. i enjoy seeing you and have a great rest of your night. >> thank you my friend. >> tonight, on the mehdi hasan show, the long descent into insurrection, january the 6th wasn't a one-off and -- nor the armed groups behind it have gone away. i will speak to a former one sixth committee investigator plus a year on with the war in ukraine, how much american support remains? especially when republicans are on the host too -- and new republican presidential candidate nikki haley is to try and of indian immigrants. exactly where does she stand on the issue of immigration? you might or might not -- good evening. i am mehdi hasan, on saturday, on saturday, the michigan republican party still looking their wounds from an embarrassing midterm defeat, selected a new state share.

having seen the democrats back in november with a trifecta of power back in the state -- of the full legislature for the first time in four decades, we might think the gia -- and go for a more moderate leader. but, don't be silly, they just doubled down on crazy and instead they picked christina crimea as the party chair. -- trump secretary of state who despite a 14 point loss refused to concede, or maybe remember her as claiming demonic procession was we'll could somehow be sexually transmitted. yes, you heard,, that right. the woman who warmed about demon sperm is now leading a major political party in a crucial battleground state. i know it is easy to laugh at people like karamo. i do. or people like kari lay, the -- arizona governor, you remember lake right, or maybe you don't recognize or without her weird soft zoom filters.

just this week, after state repeals court rejected what -- she vowed to take the fight all the way but as much as we want to pretend these clowns are just out of some traveling circus, modern-day republican party is no laughing matter. behind the party, behind them is a dangerous violent and evolving fascist movement. yeah. let's go back to michigan. back in april of 2020, hundreds of rioters, some who were armed, storm the states capitol building demanding an end to coronavirus stay-at-home orders. later, -- members of a militia group conspire to kidnap the -- direction whiton there. so in many ways, what we saw play out in michigan in 2020 was a dry run for the attack on our nation's capital, less than a year later. because, despite what you may have heard january the 6th did not come out of nowhere, that is the point made in a stunning new piece from former january

6th committee counsel jake cub glick. like what describes the months of extremist activity that preceded the attack on the capital is closed, slow burn insurrection and a sudden call to arms. glick was part of a small team of investigative counsel tasked with interviewing him as a proud boy. -- far-right extremist groups. it was during those interviews that glick discovered extremist mobilization in this country did not simply begin with world's words like this from president trump. >> why proud boys, stand back and stand by. fight like hell. if you don't fight like hell, you won't have a country anymore. >> instead, glick and his colleagues uncovered a months long trend towards political violence in this country. their evidence showed that the energy that culminated on the 6th of january had been cultivated months prior,

spurred on by pandemic related health restrictions, like black lives matter protests. some might see that line of argument which somehow absolves the culpability, but glick refutes this, writing that finding organs for political violence with -- doesn't dilute the for trump's call to the capital, actually making him look worse. quote, instead of an american -- against the end of his reign, trump is actually revealing himself as a durable coalition of the authoritarian far-right. whose years of anti democratic rhetoric help to normalize political violence and extremism during the chaos of 2020. by the time he rallied his supporters to stop the steal, he had already successfully transformed himself from a traditional head of state to a far-right, fascist stick cult leader whose promises to tear down multi racial democracy were untrue stir stood by supporters not his posturing,

but his long awaited gospel. we all know there was debate over this very well -- even within january six committee. liz cheney, former republican congresswoman, wanted to focus the panels final report primarily on the ex president -- and all the evidence clearly establishes donald trump as the -- central focal force that but about january 6th, and we must be clear this threat goes far beyond him. since democrats surprising success in the midterms, will -- fight for our democracy is over and it has been one. it is a trap that even president biden seemed to fall into in the state of the union. >> and two years ago, democracy faced its greatest threats as in the civil war today. bruised, our democracy remains on about an unbroken. >> but, as glick rights, and i quote, grappling with this truth, that democracy is still in danger, especially from political to violence, is a course more difficult than isolating in dismissing trump

as a villainous rogue actor. the truth is that the threat to our democracy in our country is still very much alive, he says. because those same groups have now moved on to new targets, i will leave you with this stark warning from jacob blake. quote, we cannot afford to look the other way while trump warns the country that his supporters are locked and loaded to physically fight for him in 2024. oil form investigative counsel -- jacob glick joins me now -- georgetown laws institute for constitutional advocacy and protection. also with us, -- counterintelligence division of the fbi. she is now seen as assistant dean as yale, jackson school of global affairs. thank you both for joining me. jacob, not let me start with you. as you outlined in your piece, this far-right threat to our democracy existed long before january the 6th and it still remains. a lot of liberals don't argue with you on that point. they might say you know, president biden said our

democracy is bruised but it is still standing and we are healing, how would you respond to what i would call that complacency? how serious is the current threat to our democracy from domestic extremism? >> well, thank you so much for having me. and for talking about the peace. i think i would respond in two ways. and i think a lot of -- political spectrum are willing to look at this difficult truth so we should look for first, the evidence that was compiled -- that showed there was witness after witness that told us about a real slow burn to extremism, to insurrection, that focused on, as you mentioned covid safety measures and really -- the most critical point what seemed the black lives matter protests and the way that president trump and his allies were really to demonize them as a front from antifa. to show that first of all this was not a one-off bad day. it should not be swept under the rug. secondly, i say that we need to look at how the -- how they've moved on since

january 6th to look at school boards and focusing on issues like critical race theory and -- in schools and more recently a disturbingly, or as disparate drubbing lee, looking at drag events in the queer community. that has been a target of the proud boys. in the same way that anti lockdown protests and by racial justice protests became the focus of their activity in 2020. i would argue, to anyone saying that the favored moxie's overall lessened is that we did not see an immediate mass casualty event or assault on our democracy and -- we should read the warning signs now. just as we should have read the warning signs in the middle of 2020. we >> asha, as a former fbi agent can you explain to our viewers how dangerous this rise in far-right domestic extremism is and how indeed it is dangerously on the rise, someone on the right is pretending it isn't. >> yes. it is obviously a threat. it is something that has been recognized by the national security council strategy to --

combat domestic extremism. i think, i love jacob speeds because it brings together a number of important points. one is that these groups that i think for a long time have been largely treated as disappear it and kind of, in these discreet events which we characterizes low wolves actually have an alignment of interests. through social media they have been able to really organized and galvanize around common causes that make them even more dangerous. and also, i think that you know, what he is saying in his piece is that it goes beyond trump, meaning that these other politicians who are learning from trump's tactics can also you know, get these people riled up. this is a shadow army that is essentially looking for a greenlight from anyone who is in a position of power. so it is not just trump that could be the person who lights the fire for them.

>> yes. >> so given that jacob, was it a mistake for the january six committee, like reportedly liz cheney the vice chair, to focus so much on the actions of donald trump? to the exclusion of other active years and agents? that minimize the broader threat of the far-right extremism, which is actually points out, can be incited and galvanized and recruited by other politicians on the rise? >> well, i don't want to speak to the work of the committee in terms of those internal baseball, inside baseball political questions. i was really honored to serve as the -- subcommittee, think what is important that the committee accomplished its most urgent tactics, which was it's exposing the danger of donald trump and his enthusiastic allies, trying to overthrow our democracy in early 2021, what is important now is that all the members agreed to make the transcripts public and now it is up to us and people like you and me and now asha, to look at these transcripts and explain them to the american public to

show the sustained threat from authoritarianism that is really exposed, there are a lot of stories in the subcommittee and i do believe that the most important one was to reveal that the sea layer threat to our democracy that donald trump launched as an attack in mid 2020 and now to go on to the next step in his office said this is a pattern that can be replicated by other politicians and another causes and i think that the most concerning when we are seeing right now is the demonization of the lgbtq community. >> yes indeed. and, quick last question to you asha. this week, former vice president mike pence has plans to fight a subpoena from the justice department involving its -- 2020 election. it is an aggressive move, some might say, from special counsel jack smith. you are a lawyer. tell us about the significance of smith's move and pence's claim of privilege. >> my sense is that jack smith would not have taken this move if he had not anticipated all of the possible legal arguments

that could be made against it. and, you know, pence has made i guess, he is now claiming legislative privilege before he claimed executive privilege, i think what matters here is that he really is trying to get out of having to tell the truth about that day. i think in this case, the interests of the criminal justice system will prevail. on this particular claim, mike pence's legal argument is colorable but thin. and i think that in the end, we will see testimony from mike pence. >> yeah. first he was president of the senate. and legislative exception, now he -- will get your argument straight. jacob glick, thank you, asher -- pleased to ground, we will talk to later about nikki haley. coming up, one year later. i will speak with ukrainian mp -- about the upcoming anniversary of russia brutally, illegally invasive in ukraine.

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fighting kerosene for the right to exist. the cost of this war is almost an fathom-able. the united states refugee agency says 18 million people have been forced to flee that country since the war began, and more than 7000 ukrainians salute millions have died and hundreds of children. and associated press investigation estimated the death toll significantly higher finding as many as 25,000 people died in mariupol alone. measuring losses on the battlefield also proves difficult. excuse me, the zelenskyy government says that 18,000 troops have been -- uk ministry of defense estimates as many as 60,000 russians that have died. western countries stepped up their support to ukraine over the past year and in the early

days of the war, americans desire to help and it was unending. blue and yellow ukrainian flags in the window of cars and homes around the country. so far, u.s. has pledged more than $25 million in military aid. but we are a country many familiar fatigue by wars of our own so that support for ukraine have swain did recent months. house republicans cosigned a huge crane fatigue resolution, calling for the ukraine to ed -- and a new ap poll finds that 40% of all americans support providing refunds to ukraine, down from 60% in may of last year. earlier i spoke with key on rudy, a member of parliament saying -- but amir putin stands today. and where she sees it going. >> kyra, thanks so much for coming back on the show. it is almost exactly a year now since russia's brutal and illegal invasion of your country. almost exactly a year since you posted this viral photo of

yourself in your home, holding a kalashnikov. did you think back then that a year on you would still be, thankfully safe, that your country would be on in defeat of the battlefield and can i ask, what is life like in ukraine today for you and for most people on this one year anniversary of the war? yay >> high mehdi, thanks so much for having me. i am indeed so grateful that i am still here. we know that a year ago, it was not a given. we didn't know what was going to happen and it was so, so unpredictable, pretty much as right now but that that time the throughout was very physical and we knew that russians surrounded kyiv. we had to try and defend ourselves. you know, my team training with

me in those days, maybe went to the front and they went to saying that we will go and fight russians there so you will not have to use the gun at all. i am so thankful to all of our armed forces, that they are keeping the promise. no matter how terrifying and complicated it is to we live under constant threat and -- we are still here. there is still a curfew every day since the -- 11 pm to five a.m.. we still are experiencing lx trustee outages and having energy just a couple of hours a day and streets are not being lighted during the night. we still start days when the air radar sirens are on and we go to the nearest bomb shelter. and i still hide under the stairs with my family.

we still are trying not to plan for more than a couple of days because the situation changes rapidly, but the most important is the fact that we are still here and we still have resolve to fight for it. we >> so cure the, chairman of the -- said earlier this month quote, in short, russia has lost. they let lost tediously, operationally and tactically and they are pairing and more numbness price on the battlefield. do you agree with that assessment? and if so is it time there for ukrainian government to also declare victory? and head to the negotiating table, with the defeated russian government? >> russia has not been defeated yet. strategically we do believe they're losing, however they are still getting their forces and using all their goliath strengths to --

yell that they want. we cannot say anything about victory until russian soldiers are under ukrainian land. it is critical to us to physically claim victory. and then think about what we should be, -- so right now we shouldn't get in there -- and should still push forward, putin is playing the game of attrition. he still hopes that a year from now the support of the u.s. will not be as strong as it is now. this is why we need to get forces and we -- all in >> on the subject of support, joe biden is heading to poland on monday. at a time when the american

public isn't -- some of the polling showing that -- 40% now to provide aid. -- the american government for example i just, want to see redo this recent post from the washington post. we will continue to trying to press upon them that we can't do anything and everything forever -- adding that it was the administration's very strong view that it will be hard to keep getting the same level of security and economic assistance from congress. how concerned are you to hear such things from the government? what is your response of that? >> this is exactly what putin is hoping for. that the support would not ask long and that they would be able to do whatever he wants. but the question is, what is the alternative? if ukraine loses, and i do not want to think about that, it would mean that the whole western world cannot unite against russia and they can do

whatever they want. and i don't think that this is the world we all want to live in. we -- will not be afraid for its freedom in the soviet country can hope that the international -- if the united states is not claiming to be a leader of the democratic world, there are responsibilities and responsibilities are to make sure that the world are a bag. we are fighting with their own lives, we are not asking to do everything for us. what we are asking for is with things that -- will >> the american public are watching tonight. we will see if that message gets through. thank you for joining us, ahead of this one year anniversary. please do stay safe. yay >> thank you. the and glory to ukraine.

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campaign to keep it that way and not allow any more immigrants into that area, hence, the drawbridge mentality. you're pulling up the drawbridge and not allowing others to follow the path that you yourself pursued. because you, you were a good immigrant. not like these new immigrants. the bad ones. the child of indian immigrants to the uk, and, now as a british indian immigrant myself to the u.s., i happen to be depressingly familiar with this concept. i've seen people in my own brown community act in shockingly anti immigrant ways. and i've been thinking a lot about the drawbridge mentality in recent weeks because of brown politicians on both sides of the atlantic. here in the u.s., former south carolina governor and ex trump ambassador to the u.n., nikki haley declared herself the proud child of indian parents -- denouncing illegals. >> in the america i see, we stop the surge of drugs and

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children of immigrants wanting to get tough on illegal immigration. their parents came legally. that's a load of bs. number one, the idea this is all about illegal immigration is just false. there are thousands of people trying, but unable to claim asylum at our southern border, and claiming asylum is illegal right under the u.s. an international law. never two, both conservatives in the uk in republicans in u.s. are doing their level best to shut down any legal ways for people to enter and claim asylum, whether sending them to rwanda, when the gop's case, to mexico. number three, but the republican party in the u.s. in the conservative party in the uk claim that they want to reduce all immigration, not just illegal immigration. as donald trump, a president who nikki haley made -- worked for, the plan was to cut legal immigration and a half. which he did. so yeah, the hypocrisy, the cynicism, the selfish drawbridge mentality of my fellow indian americans and indian brits -- nikki haley over here, or suella brave men over there, it

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ambassador -- presidential campaign by declaring that she would -- before the break, denouncing illegals and calling for more border patrol officers. what is it with the conservative children of indian immigrants? back with me is -- senior electorate -- y'all jackson's school of affairs -- msnbc columnist, co host of the democracy podcast, an author of go back to where you came from, he's the son of pakistani immigrants -- i should apologize. i don't start some kind of war with india and pakistan on the show tonight. so, let me start with asha tonight. you are a brown south asian women born and raised in america. how proud were you when you saw a fellow brown asian woman declare her -- candidacy on wednesday? >> let's rewind. i need to say that when nikki

haley became governor in 2011, i was really proud of her. i was incredibly exciting to see someone of south asian descent become governor. at that point, the one that many people representing us. i have to say, fast forwarding, i just found her to be an incredible disappointment. her position on immigration, i think, as he pointed out maybe before the break, as one of the reasons why. and i think one of the things that's important to highlight is that indians in particular have a very dark history in terms of bylaws here in the united states. in 1923, an indian named -- tried to apply for citizenship. he claimed that he was white, because that was the only way to become a naturalized citizen, and the supreme court denied that claim, and so he could not

only not become a naturalized citizen, but many other indians were deported. and indians were banned from becoming citizens in the united states and told the passage of the immigration and nationality act of 1965. nikki haley's family came here in 1966. mine came in 1970. we all our beneficiaries of people who fought to make that happen. and for her -- >> activists? she's a beneficiary of woke activism. >> exactly. >> you mentioned that the guy in the 19 twenties who declared himself white, i mean, there's reporting from a local paper that nikki haley once declared herself white on our voter registration form. your thoughts on this? you wrote a book about growing up around in america. will you be cheering on fellow brown american and child of south asian immigrants, nikki haley, and what she stands for? >> not all skin folk arc and folk. nikki haley instead is the

dinesh desouza of candace owings. she's the alpha karen with brown skin. for white supremacists and racists, she is a perfect candidate. instead of applauding her, i'm just disgusted by people like nikki haley who know better. whose parents were the beneficiaries, as asha side, of the 1965 nationality act, which passed due to those original blm protesters in the civil rights act. her -- black college in south carolina. that's how she became the proud american that she is. yeah, what does she do, like all these model minorities, which by the way, is the strategy of white supremacy, to use asians in particular as a cudgel against black folks. instead of pulling ourselves up from the boot straps, we're told to take our boot and put him on the neck of poor immigrants and black folks. that's what she did in her at. i see her, and i feel sad, mehdi, because she uses her brown skin as a weapon against poor black folks and brown folks, and uses her brown skin to launder white supremacist

talking points. the reason i feel sad, because no matter what she does, mehdi, it will never be enough. they will never let her. if you don't believe me, what did and coulter tell proud american nikki haley two days ago? go back to your country. nikki, they'll never levy. it ain't worth it. >> go back to where you came from, which is the ultimate racist insults, and of course, the title of your book. asha, we know that haley was in support of taking down the carolina -- confederate flag in north carolina after the massacre of black folks. she got a lot of plaudits for that. in fact, she had this to say about the flag back in 2010, when she was first running for governor. she was interviewed by basically a far-right, pro confederate group. >> the scripts that come in and say they have issues with the confederate flag, i will work to talk to them about it. i will talk to them about the heritage and how this is not something that is racist. this is something that is a tradition that people feel proud of.

and let them know that we want their business in the state, and at the flag, where it is, was a compromise of all people, that everybody should accept in south carolina. >> she's never, asha, overdressed or apologized for her previously pro confederate flag stance. at one point -- donald trump. just because your brown, or a child of emigrants, doesn't mean you're not able to kabul and enable white supremacy. skin color, your ethnic background, is in a jail at a free card on this issue, is it? >> no. i think of nikki haley as an amoeba. she shape-shifts to whatever is convenient for her in that moment. and i think we need to really take stock of that, because there's a lot of dismissal of her candidacy that, oh, she's just looking for a vp slot. make no mistake, mehdi, if she had been vice president on january 6th, i 100% believed she would've gone along with this kooky plot that was going

on. she didn't even say a bad thing about trump now, and that's really nothing, you know, that is holding her back. i think she would've absolutely gone along with it, and i think that something that people need to think about, even if what she's gunning for is the second position on the ballot. >> that's a good point about january six. of course, don trump won't make her his running mate, because -- he thinks she has a complexion problem. i keep getting trolled by conservative pundits on this haley issue, saying she's against illegal immigration, not legal immigration. do you buy that argument? are republicans really making that distinction when it comes to the right to asylum? and i mean, i'm pretty sure great replacement theory is about legal as well as illegal immigration. >> let's ask and culture. he knows nikki culture is a proud daughter of indian immigrants who came here legally thanks to the 1965, and what did she say? go back to where you came from. let's listen to donald trump. what did he say to the squad? the women that nikki haley used

to terrify her base in the three minute ad. go back to a country, clean it up. those were all u.s. citizens. they don't care. this is what i want to tell folks who actually have believed this myth of the model minority stereotype. i've allowed themselves to pretend i think that their weight, and be used as a cudgel against poor folks, black folks, brown folks, immigrants. they never love you. i'm not nuanced. they don't care. if you put us on the lineup, they're not gonna be like, oh, you had a legal one, you're good. and you i'm scared of. you're gonna replace me. what's disappointing here, and again, in addition to being sad, nikki haley had an opportunity, as off the side, for south asian woman to become governor. women who took down the confederate flag in 2015. she could've pivoted. she could use this moment to lead the republican party and, what did she say? ron desantis -- >> the problem is, they don't want to be led by her. let's see what she ends up pulling up. asha, wajahat ali, think you

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we'll be right back here next sunday at 8 pm eastern. you can now find the show on the msnbc hub on peacock. a new episode of the ayman show during the week. now, it's time to handed off to my friend, ayman. ayman, good evening, before i go, what do you think the reaction on the right would be if -- began a political speech by shouting, allahu akbar, god's greatest, or glory be to god? people would lose their minds, right? and yet, christian republican politicians have no problem saying the stuff like this. >> let me first of all say, to god be the glory. >> the double standards are everywhere, ayman. i knew pulled from the public religion institute found more than half of republicans

believe the country should be a strictly christian nation, that our laws should be rooted in christian values. again, ayman, if a majority of americans wanted should be at be the law of the land, which we don't, by the way, that would be a huge story. it would be seen as a huge that. but growing christian nationalism in america, it kind of gets a pass. >> mehdi, not only does it get a pass, but christian nationalism has also become a badge of honor among republicans. i mean, if we watched any official in a foreign country speak out about a major foreign policy issue by saying his or her worldview on a national security issue is shaped by religion, or religious texts, we would probably call that official a religious zealot, or an extremist. and yet, this is exactly what mike pompeo seems to suggest about his views on israel's occupation of palestinian territories. watch this. >> it is not an occupying nation. this land, as an evangelical christian, i am convinced by my

reading of the bible that 3000 years on now, in spite of the denial of so many, is the rightful homeland of the jewish people. >> that was mike pompeo in a podcast earlier this week. imagine this guy, probably wants to be president of the united states and conduct foreign policy, not based on international law or conventions or human rights or even justice, but his own twisted interpretation of the bible. and of course, not to be outflanked, who did nikki haley invite to give the invitation out a first campaign event? none other than pastor john heggie, the one who called hitler a halfbreed xi sent by god to get the juice to the promised land by committing the holocaust. he was so extreme, by the republican standards of john mccain, that he rejected his endorsement back in 2008. now, you've got people like nikki haley, maybe even mike pence, basically clamoring for his endorsement. >> it would be the equivalent, ayman, of barack obama launching his presidential campaign by having louis -- as the invocation. in some ways,