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mr. president, for as long as it takes. >> president biden's bold and historic visit to kyiv. coming at the end of the first year of putin's war of aggression. >> also tonight, fox's own lawyers argue that viewers should not believe what tucker carlson says. now, kevin mccarthy has given tucker exclusive access to 41,000 hours of january 6th security footage. so that tucker can feed his audience more january 6th disinformation. >> plus, the final days of a good and decent human being. as jimmy carter, the 39th president of the united states, begins hospice care. we begin "the reidout" tonight with presidents day, a federal holiday that technically only celebrates the birthday of america's first president, george washington. which is why it's written with an apostrophe s.

america's 46th president, joe biden, spent the wee morning hours of this president's day pulling off an unprecedented visit to ukraine, something the white house spent months planning. biden's visit to kyiv was a highly symbolic demonstration of solidarity with volodymyr zelenskyy and with the ukrainian people, and it was historic. the surprise visit was the first time in modern history that a u.s. commander in chief visited a war zone where the u.s. or its allies did not control the air space and where there were no american troops on the ground. a highly guarded and grueling trip that included a ten-hour train ride for the famously train loving biden into the heart of the country. in kyiv, the president insisted that the u.s. will remain steadfast its in support of ukraine and announced an additional aid package. >> together, we have committed nearly 700 tanks and thousands of armored vehicles.

1,000 artillery systems, more than 2 million rounds of artillery ammunition. more than 50 advanced rocket launch systems, antiair and ship systems all to defend ukraine. that doesn't count the other half a billion dollars we're announcing with you today and tomorrow. >> the american president was one of the last western leaders to make this journey. president zelenskyy sitting shoulder to shoulder with biden, praised the trip as historic, timely, and brave. >> thank you very much for coming, mr. president. a huge moment of support of ukraine. >> biden's visit came just two days after vice president harris attended the annual munich security conference in germany and announced that the u.s. had determined that russia has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity during its now year-long invasion of ukraine.

>> i say to all of those who have perpetrated these crimes, and to their superiors who are complicit in these crimes, you will be held to account. >> as the president and vice president affirmed the united states's commitment to ukraine's freedom and to the nato alliance, the pro-putin faction in america held a weekend rally, complete with a pro-russia demagoguing. the rage against the war machine rally went about how you would expect. russian flag and all. >> proxy war that we're fighting against russia right now could turn at any moment into a direct conflict between the united states, nato, and russia. >> i think that we can deal with the war issue very simply, and believe me, and i'll explain it

more why i believe this, that the answer is end the fed. >> you and antony blinken and victoria nuland and jake sullivan and the rest of the warmongering neocons at the heart of government here in washington along with the vassal states in nato are the principal provocateurs. >> yes, that was ron paul and roger waters. wow. meanwhile, over on fox news, clearly showing zero signs of embarrassment or self-reflection after having been exposed as knowingly lying to their audience about the 2020 election, things went about how you would expect as well. >> we have entered into this mad max era of foreign policy because we have no leadership at the white house, and of course, putin has taken advantage of this, china has eyed taiwan, and we pushed them closer together. but i think the question for a lot of people of the audience is how long does this go on? what is winning look like?

>> over in congress, the maga party led by marjorie taylor greene continued not to care about ukraine's independence. and what that might mean for the rest of the world. she also tweeted a call for parts of the u.s. to secede from the union. a little throwback to her state and region's confederate past. joining me now from kyiv is ali velshi host of velshi, also joining me, michael beschloss, nbc news presidential historian. both of you good friends of the show and of mine. ali, i want to start with you. i'm going to join nicolle wallace. i agree with whatever nicolle wallace says anyway, but i want to join her in commending your incredible coverage. it's been so personal and so moving. and you know, because i know that you have made a lot of friends there and talked to a lot of people, i wonder if you could give us a sense of how the president of the united states visiting today, how did that read in kyiv to folks you spoke with? >> thank you, first of all, for

saying that. there's a piece of my heart that's here in ukraine after the time i spent meeting these amazing resilient people. i guess, as i was saying to nicolle earlier, ukraine's been fighting this war with one hand tied behind their back, or as i said earlier, a quarter tank of gas. really in the last six weeks or so, the world took stock of this and said maybe we need to think about everything we're prepared to give ukraine and give it to them now, because if they lose their footing at this point in winter where russian missiles and rockets rain down on critical infrastructure and takes the power out and makes people cold and increases suffering, if they lose their footing now, this thing could end. and the president of poland, who is going to be speaking about this tomorrow with president biden says if this thing is still going on a year from now, russia may become emboldened. when you say what does victory look like, it is not having kyiv taken in three days. victory looks like the fact they're still fighting.

russia has not taken more land since october, which is why we're all very closely watching what happens this week. this was always going to be a kinetic and active week here in ukraine because by the end of the week, vladimir putin has to have something to show for a year of fighting in this place, and he doesn't. now he's had a sharp poke in the eye with joe biden standing right here with the president of ukraine today. this is a meaningful and historic trip. >> and michael, it's a trip that could not be the more opposite of the previous president who treated volodymyr zelenskyy with disdain and tried to bribe him and extort him. but i wonder if you could sort of give us the stet back on what this trip means not just for the ukrainian president but for the american one. joe biden has put a lot of the stake of his presidency into the defense of democracy around the world. this feels like the most sort of potent message in that regard. >> yeah, i think what biden did today goes straight through two

centuries of proud american history. just what you said earlier, joy. presidents -- let's say lbj and nixon used to go to vietnam, but they would appear on an american air base that was pretty well controlled. to find a day of this kind of presidential bravery in a war zone, you have to go back to 1864, july, when abraham lincoln as president went to see confederate soldiers were firing on washington, d.c. on the brink of taking it over, and literally, lincoln got up and some guy behind him who didn't know it was the president said, get down, you fool. and lincoln turned around, and i wouldn't have liked to be that guy seeing the president's face of disdain. asking who the guy was. but lincoln was there to show determination, to see the civil war through. 1814, james madison is president. this is how rare this is. went to bladensburg, maryland,

an area that we both know pretty well, joy. and there was a battle of bladensburg. the brits were just about to conquer washington, d.c., just as they were as an enemy soldier, group of enemy soldiers was in 1864. so james madison went on the battlefield and said, you know, i'm president. i'm showing how determined we are to resist that. it goes back to one other thing. george washington in 1754, before he was president, long before, was in the french and indian war of all things and he was in danger of being killed himself. he wrote to his brother, the bullets whistled past me, and i found something charming in the sound. that's what presidential bravery in wartime is. joe biden goes all the way back to that. >> that is incredible. this is why we love to have you on. it's like the best dinner party ever. we hear all these wonderful stories from history.

and ali, this was, to the point that michael just made, this was a trip with tremendous risks. we're not obviously at war with russia, but had anything happened to that train or had he flown in or anything, there were deconfliction procedures taken where the sort of back channels had to be issued to make sure that president biden was safe. can you talk a little bit about the complexity of getting this particular world leader into kyiv? >> well, i encourage everybody to read the accounts of it that were given by the pool reporters who were on it because it reads like a wartime thriller, which is remarkable. first of all, joe biden might be the only guy with a smile on his face after getting off a ten-hour train ride because he really likes the train, but remarkable. got on this train. you say deconfliction. it's really important. people are saying by telling the russians a couple hours earlier he was going to be in ukraine, wouldn't that actually maybe cause more problems? well, the russians i don't think are prepared to do what would be

done by attacking the president of the united states on ukrainian soil. there were american planes and nato planes right on the border of ukraine and poland, unsafe for american or nato planes to come into ukraine because they could be targeted but they were ready to go. they were in the air if anything went wrong. i'm telling you, it was wild. they were on this train. everyone knows where the train line goes. there was a convoy that came here, a very small footprint that was with president biden. of course, once he's inukrainia security that joined the train. the train stopped a few times on the ten-hour journey and at least one time it was to add more local security, more people, might be military members. that was a great risk. by the way, we knew joe biden was going to poland. now he's in poland on the same schedule. he's added 40 hours to his schedule and he's still going to go to poland and deliver a speech tomorrow in which he commits american resources and

nato resources to defend ukraine. this is truly, if you watch today, you watched history. >> yeah, if you were concerned about joe biden's age, you probably don't know joe biden because he's a fairly determined character. he's going to do what he needs to do. >> i got tired reading about what he's done. >> i love trains but i'm not sure i could do tep hours. let's talk about vladimir putin. because he also is an historic figure in the opposite direction. he's going to give his own address. he has to somehow account for this year of failure as ali has been doing brilliant reporting on, the people of ukraine are not going down. they are not going to allow him to absorb them, period. but what he's doing, some of the things that putin is doing, i mean, russian troops are kidnapping ukrainian children, carting 18 to infants back over the border, forcing them into re-education camps. these are some of the war crimes. essentially stealing them and

trying to re-educate them as russians. this is barbaric on a level that feels historic to me. >> sure is. and the vice president talked about that when she was in munich the other day. the fact that there may be an effort to prosecute members of the russian administration for that. and that has a big historical lineage too. crimes against humanity is a term that was used even in the 1700s to describe european atrocities in africa. and also slavery. all the way up to the present time. what we're doing in ukraine, we americans, yes, we're trying to protect ukraine. yes, we love a fellow democracy. but there's something larger here, and that is that if a powerful country like russia can just grab another country because it feels like it, and attack it and have no penalty, that's going to happen all over the world. so another part of that is not only to help the ukrainians and their noble struggle against the

russians, but also send a message to leaders around the world, you do this in other countries, not only might you lose the war as russians might in ukraine, but also, you may be prosecuted in an international criminal court, and you could be sent to prison or worse. >> yeah, indeed. this is why you all should -- if you haven't read presidents of war, you need to read it. ali velshi, i know you're going to be hosting at 8:00. we'll be watching because we watch everything that you do. you're brilliant. thank you so much. and the wonderful and brilliant michael beschloss. thank you both. >> up next on "the reidout," speaker kevin mccarthy gives putin and the insurrectionists chief propagandist tucker carlson exclusive access to a treasure trove of january 6th footage so he can, i don't know, like o.j. before him, find the real killer or whatever. "the reidout" continues after this. people remember ads with a catchy song. so to help you remember

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if there was one main takeaway from last week's reles of court filings from dominion voting's lawsuit against fox news is that's many are remorseless liars. remember, fox's own lawyers have argued you should not believe the words coming out of the mouth of their top rated primetime host, tucker carlson. so it ought to concern you that as we learned today, nominal house speaker kevin mccarthy has

decided to give tucker exclusive access to more than 40,000 hours of capitol surveillance footage from the january 6th insurrection. this is kevin fulfilling a promise that he made to the extreme far right members of his caucus who demanded the footage as a condition of eventually supporting him for speaker, 15 votes in. and beyond the quizzing nature of the gift to the far right, let's not forget that the person who now has exclusive access to this footage has described january 6th this way. >> of all the things that january 6th was, it was definitely not a violent terrorist attack. it wasn't an insurrection. an outbreak of mob violence, a forgettably minor outbreak by recent standards. you see people walking around and taking pictures. they don't look liar terrorists, they look like tourists. >> there is a bigger issue here. the justice department and

capitol police had previously pushed back on the release of this footage as a security risk, as it would include things like where safe rooms and security cameras are located. now, we don't know what tucker will choose to show, but we do know who will be watching. so giving him of all people free reign over such footage cannot be in america's best interests. joining me now is congressman jamie raskin of maryland who is a member of the january 6th select committee. thank you for being here. i will go on, this is a man who made an entire documentary called "patriot purge" which in he alleged january 6th was a false flag. it has been called deranged by rolling stone. it's pushed baseless conspiracy theories, this thing that he created. off the rails, npr has called it. the only expectation i can have is that he's going to use this footage, comb through it and create some sort of alternate

narrative to january 6th. can you talk about, you as somebody on the january 6th committee, how do you feel about that and what do you fear based on what he's going to do? >> well, joy, thank you. of course, we spent a year and a half studying this, and we found no evidence of antifa's involvement at all, no evidence of this being a false flag operation. but even if you're paranoid and watching fox news all day, you don't have to believe us. just believe what kevin mccarthy said on january 6th himself to donald trump when donald trump tried to float that to kevin mccarthy, when he called him desperate, saying call off the dogs. and trump told him, these aren't our people. this is antifa. mccarthy said no, they're right here in my office. these are your people, mr. president. that prompted the reply from trump to the effect of, well, maybe they just care a little bit more about a stolen election than you do, kevin. look, all of this is not in search of the truth. with kevin mccarthy.

or with tucker carlson. it's in search of a conspiracy theory. it's in search of corroborating disinformation and propaganda. we know that from his three-part miniseries that he put together, patriot purge, which asserted it was a false flag operation run by antifa and the fbi. we found no evidence of that. our bipartisan committee that operated for more than a year and a half. so really what it demonstrates is the absolute stranglehold that the maga right, that marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz are exercising over kevin mccarthy now, as they work overtime to try to put donald trump back in office. >> well, they have also said, people like paul gosar, marjorie taylor greene, the purpose of having this footage is they want to help clear people who are charged with crimes. for having broken into the capitol. they have all tweeted something to that effect, gosar, gaetz, and greene. are we in danger of not just that, of them trying to twist

this footage, cut little pieces of it that they think will help criminals get out of jail or out of trouble, but also i'm concerned that these are the people that the russians listen to. including tucker. that he can put on something that is false, not real, but that he's very useful to our enemies, including knowing where the security cameras are on capitol hill. >> look, tucker carlson is a pro-putin, pro-orban, pro-autocrat propagandist. while we have the president of the united states in ukraine expressing solidarity with the forces of democratic freedom, kevin mccarthy is releasing these tapes to one network, not making it public for everybody, not giving it to cnn and msnbc and "the new york times" and "washington post." giving it to fox news and to tucker carlson so he can forward his propaganda theories. as you say, this is a serious security risk.

i mean, there's thousands of hours of footage that are out there already, but the reason all of it wasn't released is precisely because it lays out flor design, it lays out evacuation routes. it lays out where the vice president went. it lays out where the senior members of congress were evacuated. and so on. i hope that kevin mccarthy at least has planned for that. at this point since he's made it available to one network, he may as well make it available to all networks because we know as you suggest they are going to be cherry picking it in order to corroborate however they can their absurd conspiracy theories embodied in the patriot purge series. >> one can only hope that all of the networks will insist that everyone can get it. i have never heard of one network getting exclusive access to what is essentially government information. yeah, if you're going to give it out, give it to everyone. it concerns me. >> it's really out of putin's playbook. you pick your propaganda mouth

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on this president's day holiday, well wishes are pouring frin the american president with the greatest post presidency of them all. it was announced over the weekend that jimmy carter is now under hospice care at his home in plains, georgia, at the age of 98. a true man of the people, the peanut farmer turned politician dedicated his life to service, including his post-presidential work with the carter center, advancing democracy, social justice, human rights, and peace. which contributed to him earning the 2002 nobel peace prize. in nearly 40 years as a hands-on volunteer building affordable housing with habitat for humanity. the longest living president served just one tumultuous term despite major accomplishments including his central role in negotiating the camp david accords which the nobel committee said was in itself a great enough achievement to earn the peace prize. president biden posted a heartfelt message saying he and first lady jill are praying for carter, his wife, and family.

on instagram, former obama white house photographer pete sousa shared a snap of the presidents club. every living former president, minus the one who incited an insurrection. joining me now is former senator, doug jones of alabama, who is currently a distinguished senior fellow at the center for american progress. senator jones began his political career as a staff counsel to alabama senator hal heflin during the carter administration, and we have a photo. we're going to show young you. there you are. talk a little bit about this president, jimmy carter. a southern governor turned president and somebody who i understand had some influence on you. >> well, joy, that's absolutely right. they didn't tell me you were going to show that picture. >> we never tell you in advance, doug. >> you know, look, to me, we learn and we know so much about jimmy carter and his presidency. and the ups and downs of his presidency. but clearly, the post-presidency. but the thing that i like to remember most about jimmy carter

is his humanity and his record on civil rights. he was a new south governor at a time when we were trying to turn the page on jim crow in the south. he got defeated by a segregationist in 1966 but did not let them deter him and won the governorship in 1970 and really led the nation. a southern governor leading the nation for civil rights and civil liberties and social justice. appointing african americans to boards and agencies both as governor and president. that had never been done before. the first two black federal judges in alabama were appointed by jimmy carter, and in fact, we still only have two in alabama. so it's a remarkable accomplishment for those days that i think we ought to really truly reflect on today because some of those pages, joy, as you know, some of those pages have flipped back over. and we got to make sure that we go forward. >> my mom got her naturalization

in time to vote for jimmy carter for re-election. she didn't live long enough to see barack obama but he was her favorite president. let's talk about that. you talked about his strength on civil rights. i feel like he was our really truly most christian president in the sense that he lives the creed. he pushed to desegregate his plains, georgia, church, and ushered would not seat a black man in his church, he fought back against that and he spoke about the role of women in the church and said the southern baptists were wrong to not allow women to have positions of leadership in the church, eventually trying to form his own, he and his wife, creating their own sort of version of the southern baptist convention because he didn't agree. in this era where you have christian nationalism that is so cruel, talk about the legacy of a man who does crist an taw right. >> you know what, it's a cliche, but he practiced what he preached. and he preached every sunday at that little church in plains, georgia.

and he preached love, and he preached equality, and he preached reconciliation. and he lived it. in those days, people were a little taken aback with his faith that he so openly expressed during his public career. as a born again christian in those days. today, called evangelical, but you really can't compare. evangelical today is more of a political term. they don't practice what they actually preach. and that is that unconditional love, that equal justice and civil rights that jimmy carter lived every day. and that is, i think, the true strength of his character. and it is a strength of his public service. he's a public servant, as you said, in the finest sense of the word. always has been. >> i love the story of people who went to the plains, georgia church, in the last couple years and went and saw this little guy gardening and were like, isn't the where president carter goes to church, and he turns around and it's jimmy carter, yes, it

is. he's such a regular, ordinary guy. he did express concern in recent years over the shift in our country to authoritarianism, particularly due to donald trump. as he is in hospice care and we're trying to give him his flowers while he can hopefully receive them, talk about his ongoing push for democracy. >> jimmy carter moved from civil rights to human rights into the greater democracy experiment that we have in this country. what he has seen, as you said, he was a man of the people. the people are the ones who are supposed to be in charge of this country. he never lost sight of that. that he was just the servant of the people. and what he sees is now people, public officials, whether it's trump, whether it's desantis, whether it's others in that maga faction of the republican party, trying to divide people as opposed to unify people. jimmy carter had his moments where he did not unify, but at the same time, most of

everything he did was trying to bring people together from all walks of life. and he truly believes in people and the control of this government and the people's hands, not autocrats. >> i have to tell you one more story. my mom got solar panels on her house because jimmy carter put solar panels on the white house. she thought this is the right thing to do. if we listened to him, we would be further on the climate crisis. former senator doug jones, thank you very much. >> up next, florida governor ron desantis takes his anti-woke campaign on the road but encounters pushback from some surprising sources. we'll tell you what those are when we come back. when you stay at a vrbo the host doesn't stay with you. because without privacy in your vacation home,

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today, florida governor ron desantis crossed state lines to tout his anti-woke agenda at a pro law enforcement rally in staten island. his first stop on a three-state tour of blue cities. >> why is crime a big issue in new york or chicago or all these other places? the reason why you have what you have in some of these other jurisdictions is because they're putting woke ideology ahead of your safety. we fight the woke when they go after our law enforcement. we do not surrender to the woke mob. our state is where woke goes to die. >> you know it, we know it. this whole war against wokeness is really a war against freedom. and you know what, some

conservatives and libertarians know it too. >> i'm number one in personal freedoms. i'm sorry, ron. you're number two. i'm a principled free market conservative. for others out there that think that the government should be penalizing your business because they disagree with you politically, that isn't very conservative. >> desantis is always talking about he was not demanding to do things but he was telling the cruise lines what to do. >> desantis is raising his profile every week, putting himself in a better position to potentially win the presidency, and he's doing it through indiscriminate use of state power. >> what's been a problem for florida is now a problem for america. it isn't just about the cruise ship companies or disney or even your woke gas stove. desantis is determined to stamp out intellectual freedom. it's causing other red states to scrutinize a.p. black studies. he's also threatening to withdraw state support for

advanced placement courses altogether. the miami herald reports top florida officials are exploring alternatives meeting with the classic learning test. it focused on the, quote, great classical and christian tradition and the, quote, centrality of the western tradition. pretty much on brand for desantis who clearly wants to be president and who is on tour to signal to the nation how he would govern. and that is by replacing a multitude of ideas with the one idea he holds dear. the centrality of white christian thought, and who, let's be clear, is using woke to mean any notion that brown, black, lgbtq people, and women are citizens rather than subjects whoork whether they live in red states or blue states would in his american dream be forced to shut up and do, think, read, and say only what ron desantis tells them to. >> up next, this is going to be fun. we're celebrating visionary black fashion past, present, and future. a fabulous take on black history

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well, today for black history month, we wanted to do something a little different and focus focus on the enormous impact that black americans have had on the history of american fashion. starting with the harlem renaissance in the 1920s, the iconic -- it was a really worn by black artists like josephine bigger. jazz musicians like louis

armstrong cemented this suit as the mail fashion statement in the 1940s. it was a black woman, zelda, who created the original playboy bunny costume. a black woman designed jackie kennedy's iconic wedding dress. she didn't get the credit at the time. the first lady referring to simply as a colored dressmaker. designer stephen barrels helped ushered in the disco era with his bold designs. dapper dan was one of the creators of luxury street where populists by hip-hop artists in the 19 80s and 90s. and more recently, politicians like vice president harris and former first lady obama have made a point to boost black designers. with mrs. obama wearing a sergio hudson ensemble to president biden's inauguration. joining me now is the fashion designer suture hudson, omar salaam, fashion designer and founder and creative director of sue keno. and jay manual, tv host, makeup artist, and former creative director of america's next top

model. one of my favorite benches of all time, thank you all for being here. i really appreciate you. i do have to go to you first, sergio. michelle obama was such an icon in so many ways. but she really stood out for the way she dressed. talk a little bit about dressing michelle obama. >> i think definitely dressing michelle obama was the honor of a lifetime. working with her stylist, meredith kook, she is a really good friend. we just vibe. actually, i addressed her a couple of times before that inauguration. she called me because they work really far in advance. they are very organized, very uncommon. i had made it two months before negotiations. she was going on a month vacation. i kind of forgot about it. and then on a day, we got the call. she's wearing it and it was like history. i really wasn't expecting --

it was from my collection, we turned into pants. it was very simple. it was definitely faith, but she likes to look good and she likes to support. >> first ladies in fashion, i can tell you by the way, i was texting her, who made that? i need to know who made. that she was the one who hit me to the one. i'll go to you jay, two wheel back. first ladies were the fashion icon, starting with jackie oh. a lot of people didn't know, that was a black designer. you go even further back, a lot of the iconic looks and styles from the era, even before that, they were down to black people. >> you know, it is so interesting, we talk about the contribution of black culture. we call it like that, black aesthetic in fashion. it has been around for so long. my mind is blown when we think about, you have to think about this? no, you really don't have to. it has always been there. that is the thing that i think

most people don't realize. but then there are collections like one of the most celebrated, the or collection, you think about the john kelly ono, the victorian look. some people, at the time were saying is that cultural appreciation? no, i felt it was something somewhat of a celebration. melding these two cultures together. and really preserving the colors and detectors that the mossad had worked on for years. that was something that was very demonstrative of how to cultures can come together. but really when it comes to fashion, you brought up dan. you and i can talk about this forever. but you know, with doctor dan i feel like at that time as a makeup artist, i was working so many styles like june. she was in charge of creating these looks for jay-z, missy elliott, accelerate. we talk about with doctor dan was doing and there was that famous class action suit which we don't need to get into right now.

they stopped down this luxury street fashion. you guys know all about this. the main legacy houses started doing this logo fashion, which to this day is what cells in the stores. we are just talking about gucci, what do people go in for? >> they want that could she felt. there has been this question of appropriation. designers like yourself who were in the major houses, worked in the major houses and then broke out. talk about how the major designers have appropriated the looks that come, not just from african americans, but from the black people around the world. from africa, from the u.s., from everywhere. >> thank you for having me. i think when we think fashion, we tend to think that all the focus tends to be on the creative. in reality, it is a business, whether you're dancing dresses, wearing white at the people, long calls, you realize that

fashion really is everywhere. in serious setting, i keep hearing feeling powerful, looking beautiful. fashion really does support the range of emotions that happens in a lifetime to an average day. feelings powerful and beautiful, that is not limited to that. in black history month, talking about fashion, and i'm glad that we are having this conversation which could hopefully be a little bit deeper than just the surface because the surface is there to support what is happening inside. and being of a community that is together. that community, it baffles me that in 2023 we are playing a rule that is expiring, intriguing, inspiring, and it is a precursor to a lot of things happening. and yet, the world seems to be

okay with not having us be in a position where there is enough infrastructure and structure where we can make decisions that can really push at a level where it can elevate humanity as a whole. they should not be a problem that is just a black problem. it's a human problem. i call my little interns, kids that are so smart. imagine at orchestra that decided to muffle in instrument and put it aside. when the symphony or song is done, the loser is not the instrument, it is the orchestra as a whole. >> indeed. talk a little bit about that, it is a business. it is a business that needs the infrastructure support of a larger industry that sometimes likes our aesthetic but not

necessarily want us. >> absolutely, i will give you a little bit story. i want my first boutique to show my collection, this was seven years ago. i walked in and you know my clothes, this is american sportswear. to comparison to my core collection, that is one of my favorite influences. i went in the store with suits, dresses, skirts, trousers and the buyer looked at me, very famous boutique in l.a. and said, these are nice but clothes should be more urban. i just looked at her and that was the first time i realized oh, i'm not supposed to design clothes like this because i look like this. it was the very first time. i never saw fashion through the lens of urban or street where because i want to dress women. that's not what i grew up being influenced by. it is still a barrier that needs to be broken down for us to be able to not be a monolith

in the industry. there are certain things that are expected of us as black people in the fashion industry. we are supposed to make hoodies, we are supposed to make -- we do it very well, we do at the best, but we do other things as well. i think the biggest obstacle that we still have to overtake is not being categorized as a black designer. i was just telling women's daily the other day, you don't tell my friends, you don't say when you describe jason and a category, asian designer jason. every time i'm written up it is a black designer sergio hudson. i'm a proud black man, but i'm a designer. it is who i am as a person. it is nothing to do with who i am in my blood and my history. >> you are a creative as well. what ukraine what you see. one of the interesting things that i've heard many times is, when we are trying to take a

collection or we are talking about the business of it, bringing it to the masses. what if we give it more spice, what if we make it a little more black. this is what they say behind the door's. we have all heard, it were not going to call out who and what. you can also look at one of the big trends going on right now, the collaboration. where does the cooperation start? they start with street where. let's talk about one of the famous houses that louis vuitton -- they did the louis baton supreme collection. do you think that the women on madison avenue living on madison avenue are running into by the louis vuitton supreme bags? no, they were counting on the kids and it is coming from the kids, that is what is happening right now. all these collaboration's, adidas is collaborating. it is -- this is what we are going to see. >> i wish we had much more time, but i appreciate all of you for being here. always appreciate you, omar, oh my god, you're so brilliant,