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it was actually 108 people in the heavenly hundred. the youngest of them was just 16 years old. it all happened as the combination of protests that had started the previous november. people are protesting in ukraine. because the government of that country had had the chance to sign on to a big trade deal with europe, a deal that was expected to have big economic benefits for ukraine, just episode bring ukraine closer to europe, and closer to the west. people in ukraine bought weird forward to it. this is a popular thing that they're very much wanted. but the president of ukraine at the time he decided he wasn't going to do it and he basically decided that because russia didn't want him to do it in 2014 the president of ukraine and i know this sounds rude to
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say but he was basically a -- a puppet of russia, of vladimi russia had paid for his political rise and for his political party. they had worked to install him in power. they totally controlled him. he was theirol guy. that was how russia controlled ukraine. they controlled the ukrainian president. they installed him in power and they told him what to do, and he did it. and russia, of course, didn't want ukraine to have better economic ties to the west. they didn't want ukraine to have any ties to the west. they wanted ukraine to only be tied to russia. and so when ukraine had the opportunity to sign-on to this pro-european trade deal russia didn't want thempe to do it, an russia's guy in ukraine, this very corrupt, very compromised pro-russian president he said he
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didn't want to sign that trade deal with europe. he wanted to sign a new deal with russia. instead of that decision by him they started protesting in november of 2013. andin a few months into it by february of 2014 the protests and the protesters were still there, and they were not showing any signs of going away, despite the cold winter and how long they'd been out in the streets protesting already, by all accounts by february 2014, four months plus into these protests moscow had started putting increasing pressure on their guy, on the pro-russian president of ukraine that he needed to end it, he needed to get these protesters off of the streets of ukraine. and so by this time of the year, by mid-february, ukraine's then-president, russia's hand picked guy, he gave the order.
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and security forces started using lethal force without restraint against their ownce citizens in the streets. they started using live fire. over february 18th and february 19th and february 20th between 2,000 and 3,000 citizens were injured by security forces and police operating in the streets of kyiv. people also started dying in considerable numbers. dozens of people killed. on february 20th alone more than 50 people -- more than 50 protesters in one day murdered in the streets, some of them shot by snipers, shot from a distance by military snipers using live ammunition to kill teenagers, to kill 83-year-olds, to kill these people who were protesting. by the end of that extraordinarily bloody day of february 20, 2014, it was more than 100 people who had been
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shot dead in the streets in total. and their corpses were lined up in the street, and those were the people who they called the heavenly 100. but the history of ukraine took sort of a 90-degree turn that day, on this date, february 20th. after all those people were massacred overnight on february 20, 2014, the following day, february 21st that pro-russia, pro-putin president of ukraine, he got intoa, a car and he fled he left ukraine. he was the president of ukraine and he fled the country. he fled naturally to russia where he is still in exile today. and that series of events, february 20ofth, and february 2t when the21 president fled, that started the story effectively where we are now. after their pro-russia puppet president oversaw the murder of dozens of protesters in the streets and then fled the
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country, russia for their part they freaked out they no longer had their own guy running the country next door. russia, of course, in 2014 soon invaded ukraine and started taking over parts of that country by force, parts of eastern ukraine and crimea. ukrainians, meanwhile, started learning about how exactly their pro-russia puppet leader had been living while he'd been in charge. i meann they knew he was corru. that was part of what they'd been protesting against, but after he was gone they found his private zoo he'd been seekiately kept for himself. they found his gold toilets carved to look like animal feet, his secret car collections, found his private restaurant on a boat made to look like a spanish galleon he used to float around on on a private lake he'd made for himself at taxpayer
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expense. and at the time what seemed like just a bizarre sideshow american connection to all that was the fact it was actually a high dollar american political consultant who had been paid to be the top political advisor to that wildly corrupt pro-russian ukrainian president. the american political consultant who had been paid to getns this pro-russian guy inton power, who had run his campaigns, who had overseen a personal makeover for the guy, wrote all his speeches, who got the guy installed in power, the american political consultant who did that is a man named palm manafort. paul manafort got paid millions andt millions of dollars to install the pro-russian puppet as ukraine's president. until he oversaw a massacre in the streets of kyiv a and had t flee to russia. after years and years paul
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manafort soon popped up a few years later to work on his first american campaign in decades. after what happened in 2014 in ukraine paul manafort was soon back in america all of a sudden for the first time in years to become campaign chair for the donald trump for president campaign in 2016, and interestingly he said he was happy to do that one for free. he didn't ask to be paid for that one. president biden today going to ukraine, going to kyiv on february 20th. it's a surprise and an astonishing thing for us to see, for people in ukraine to see. at base level this is an active war zone in a part of that country thatf gets hit by russn missiles the time. seeing the american president there walking the streets of kyiv while air-raid sirens literally sounded in that moment about possible incoming fire from russia, it's just not
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something you ever expect to see. we've never seen an american president in an active war zone where there wasn't an american military presence there, not before today. president zelenskyy of ukraine put outky this statement, this terse to the point statement about president biden's visit today. he said historic, timely, brave. i think this image in particular from getoday, this image of president biden at st. michaels cathedral in hakyiv, not his overall trip to the cathedral, but this singular image of him there i think is going to be seen one of the photos of his presidency if not one of the photos of his life. but for ukraine i mean it's one thing for us to see this as americans. this is landmark thing, a historb thing for an american president to have done. the ukrainians also recognize the historic nature for what
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president biden did today, but for him to have done it on this day, february 20th lands with a different weight than it does forff us. every year on february 20th they lay wreaths, commemorate the murders of those heavenly 100, those protesters who died. and we do have an odd american connection to the violence of thoseo protesters, to the snip sasination and murder of those 100 plus people. there really was an american political consultant who had put thatho pro-russia leader in pow, who put in power the leader who did that. i think that's still a sort of hard thing to wrap our heads around.ur what was our connection to a pro-russian leader taking over inn ukraine? well, there was an american connection toth it. and the american connections to these politics, they can be hard to tfollow. for example, this weekend there was a random and i mean truly random rally on the national
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mall in washington, d.c. a rally in support of russia, i guess,ru given all the russian flags.si at least a rally against supporting ukraine in trying to stand up against the russian invasion of their country. this was a tiny event, it was small.t it was a weird assemblage of americans, proud boys there and unite the right rally groups in charlottesville years ago also represented, there were a lot of people withte russian flgs, als the occasional flag of the former soviet union. also at least one person who guest hosts for tucker carlson on the fox news channel was there as n a featured speaker. there were anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists, a lot of them. there were crypto currency promoters. it was a really weird group. it was a small rally and a weird
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one. but that's what it looks like. that's the assemblage of short straws and splitem ends and loo change and loose electrons that's advocating in this country that russia's in the right in this war and america should be on putin's side as he keeps invading other countries. i mean no disrespect to the americans who turned out as part of this small event this weekend but it's not like they represent a big constituency that is arguing for this pro-russia point of view. but while this happened this weekend, meanwhile president biden was heading to kyiv secretly, and once he got there today and we all found out he'd made the trip to kyiv at least one pro-trump republican member of congress who happens to have a seats on the homeland securi committee called for him to be impeached for having gone to ukraine. other pro-trump american members of congress today said it was a disgrace and a shame and how
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dare president biden go to ukraine today. florida governor ron desantis who wants to runor for presiden apparently he went on the fox news channel this morning and said that president biden was wrong to go, and we shouldn't be supporting ukraine in this war because whatever russia's doing, it's nothing to worry about. again, it's not clear in political terms what the big constituency is for this stuff, but that is where at least the trump and trump-ish wing of the republican party says they are on this issue and good luck to them with it. with republicans in control of congress now and with the trumpy part of the republican party being a little -- or at least a little unpredictable on this issue, it's not clear yet whether in our domestic politics there are going to be complications ahead and how much and howd well we'll continue t support ukraine as this war startshi its second year this
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week. for his part in ukraine today while he was meeting with president biden, president zelenskyy went out of his way not only o to thank president biden for making the trip, which again he called historic, and timely and brave, he thanked president biden forve making th trip, thanked president biden for supporting ukraine, thanked president biden for making the first call to him from a foreign leader when the russian war started, the first call he said came from president biden. president zelenskyy also today shrewdly i think thanked the american congress for its bipartisan support, which at this point isn't a forgone conclusion that it will remain. president biden for his part went onto say america's support for ukraine will lasts as long as it takes and also said russia cannot win in this fight.
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>> russia's aim ozto wipe ukraine off the map. putin's war of conquest is fail. russia's military has lost half itsha territory it once occupie. young, talented russians are fleeing by the tens of thousands not wanting to come back to russia. not fleeing from the military, fleeing from russia itself. because they see no future in their country. >> president biden is right that russia's military did fail in its initial objectives in this war, and i its military performance has beenil shocking bad compared to expectations for what the russian military was capable of these days. on the other side of the ledger, ukraine's resilience and their military performance has been shockingly good compared to the urld with's expectations for how they would stand up against such an assault. even so it's not like anyone cac
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clearly say that ukraine is winning or indeed it's not at all clear anybody can say with any real clarity, with any confidence how this is going to end. as bad as russia's military has performed in traditional combat thus far, russian infrastructure attacks punishing ukrainian civilians have been quite effective. i mean they're finding shooting power plants and shooting water infrastructure is easier than fighting opposing forces, and they're focusing on that to an intensifying degree and that imposes immense cost tuesday the civilians of ukraine. today while president biden was in kyiv the top foreign policy official in the chinese government traveled to moscow amid warnings from the u.s. government china is ramping up its help to the russian side in this war. china materially propping up russia in this war would, of course, change the arithmetic about how long it would take for
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russia to exhaust its efforts and resources and will in fighting all these losing battles. even beyond that, even as president biden announced another half billion dollars in military aid to ukraine today, the ukrainians are nevertheless pressing further for the u.s. to deliver f-16 fighter jets as well. andet that is something preside biden has thus far said, no, he'll not do, but there is some influential bipartisan support for him to go ahead and do it even as the republican party continues to cleave, some of them saying not only continue to ramp up support and send them f-16s others saying we should be on putin's side on this war, we have no issue with putin, why are we helping ukraine? we're going to get some expert help tonight talking about those political concerns and practical concerns, the opennd questions that, remain about how this wa is going to go and for how long. but todayis as a first principl matter, today was history.
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it was the american president surprise in the war zone in kyiv, the first u.s. president in a war zone abroad where there wasab not a u.s. military presee there to support miz presence and protect him. and now tomorrow looking ahead it's going l to be a split scre as president putin in russia will give his equivalent of the "state of the union" address with the kremlinen and on the same day president biden will give a speech on war saw, a speech open to the public, a speech about democracies to stand together and do so for as long as it takes. joining usit now is presidentia historian, pulitzer prizewinning author of many books. including one that looks at the
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leadership of roosevelt, lincoln, and fdr. thanks for being with us. >> i'm so glad to be with you on this historic moment. >> it does feel historic. and i wanted to ask you sort of if that is a fair characterization. we doai know in just sort of ra statistical terms it is the first time in modern u.s. history an american president has gone to a war zone, is there anything else you have in mind as an analogous situation, any time an american president has done something like this? >> well, certainly i mean abraham lincoln went to the active battlefield more than a dozenie times during the war, a there was a moment actually he was at fort stevens when a bullet went rights by his side hitting a surgeon who was standing next to him and he said get down, you fool.
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i think the extraordinary thing when iin look at this moment it brings back echoes for me of the partnership between churchill andp fdr. i think of zelenskyy as a modern day churchill. he's been able with the power of his words give power to the ukrainian people, similarly churchill stayed in london, had the power of his words. and there's a sense in which fdr had to do what biden has had to do, which is go step by step in ratcheting up his support for britain because this was in 1940, '41 before pearl harb, and we didn't have enough weapons to give to britain. when we were only 18th in military power, we went up in powerhouse then. he gavepo 12 fighter planes at which point the military said you can't do that, if germany conkkers europe and they find our weapons there you'll be hunb by a lamppost. so that same concern biden has
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had how to move forward, at the same time we've become hostages to fortune right now in terms of how ukrainian democracy works. that's the question biden will need to present even more weapons to them in order to let this war be won because if it's lost then his presidency is courageously built on it. that means the ukrainians have to win their battle and we have to helpe them do it. >> on the point of the domestic politics around this thing, i feel we're in a state in the opposition of this party and this f war. obviously we've got some messaging, but i think it's confused messaging and not particularly cogentng messaging from the right side of the republican party not wanting to support ukraine anymore, talking about ukraine fatigue and in some extreme instances being quite pro-putin, suggesting we
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might support the other side in the war. but it doesn't seem coherent and there are a lot of republicans who support president biden and the democrats in standing by ukraine on this. i wonder if you describe as the churchill and fdr dynamic affords any lessons to president biden thinking about isolationism atbo home and peop trying to score political points on him at home by prioritizing bipartisan support for ukraine? >> i think the important thing to i realize is that roosevelt d have to face a dominant mood of isolationism before he took those steps in 1940 and '41 in pearl harbor. he gradually educated britain.
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i think the challengete for president biden is going to be he's going to g have to persuad the american public. he's going to have use that bully pulpit, and maybe that's what tomorrow's speech is partly about. but he's going to have to keep doing that and educate the public. it passed and by a good majority because through g his fireside chats he'd already educated people why this was necessary. so that's going to be the continuing battle i think for biden to use that public u persuasion and make su that theio country and bipartisanship that's there right now and these other people remain as you said a weird group of people out there, and not the pro-russian people but the people who don't want us to necessarily use our energy, time, andus money for something over there then we've got a problem here. >> when president biden goes and gives that speech tomorrow in
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warsaw, it'll be early morning here because of the time difference. it's at a landmark location in warsaw, at a castle that overlooks the city. it'll be open to the public. but i think it will be in the eyes of the national media certainly or international medit certainly a sort of split screen between him giving that address within hours of president putin giving his state of the union, sort of the state of the state address in russia. and i think we expect russia to talk about the ukrainian government being nazi and nato wanting to invade russia and being imperialist and all the other things he says about nato and the west and the united states. i think president biden will make the case democracies needs to stick together and authoritarianism needs to be opposed in a democracy.
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that head to head contrast with two world leaders telling opposite stories about one another, that itself is powerful just as a dichotomy, isn't it, for the world? >> oh, absolutely. and again it's a historical moment. maybe you knowis i've loved history for all my life so i love to bring it in when i can, when roosevelt gave a fireside chat, that very night the germans specifically bombed london, the heaviest attack they've ever done destroying a big chunk of the old city and they thought thatit would undo e remarks of fdr, but churchill went around to the bomb sectors next day and told roosevelt they're even more spirited than what you've done before and this is going to be interesting having these two, i think the timing of this was incredible. the part you brought up is what many people may not know about, and in addition to that you've got the timing of this war year
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coming on friday and people talking about this for attention. it's so interesting and so scary. >> it is. i do feel like -- i mean, i've said this before but i do feel like history is here to help when we talk about things being unprecedented too easily. i think a lot of things have precedent, but when things are historic knowing how they fit into even vaguely analogous histories i think it really does help us appreciate the enormity of the moment, and nobody helps us do that better than you. it's great to see you. thank you so much for being here tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> all right, we've got much more to get to tonight. stay with us. e got much more to get to tonight stay with us
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the most powerful nuclear reactor in the whole world used to be in canada, in ontario, at a place called chalk river laboratories. the reactor was built in the
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summer of 1947. it was used mainly for research purposes. and one day, about five years into the life of that reactor, in december 1952, the reactor exploded. a combination of human error and mechanical failure caused the the reactor to melt down which then set off a series of explosions. it is a miracle that no one was hurt, but in 1952, this was still uncharted territory and it was still very dangerous. you have to keep in mind, this was before fukushima, before chernobyl even. this meltdown at chalk river was the world's first nuclear reactor disaster ever. so even though the explosions of the meltdown didn't kill anybody, they were very concerned about what they would do with all the radiation and the ongoing threat of the still decomposing reactor. there was no model, no instruction manual for how to clean this up. radioactive material had escaped into the atmosphere. the rest of the plant was
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flooded with radioactive water. the reactor itself was still very, very highly radioactive. but the whole thing needed to be addressed. they couldn't just leave it. it needed to be shut down and taken apart and then removed from the site so it wouldn't cause any more destruction. well, how do you do that without subjecting the people working on that to a deadly amount of radiation? to figure it out the canadian government enlisted help from the u.s. government and specifically from the u.s. navy. the u.s. navy by that time had an elite nuclear submarine program. they therefore had a lot of trained engineers who are experienced with nuclear technology. even so, they knew that anybody working on this shutdown effort could only spend about 90 seconds inside the reactor before they'd be hit with what was considered to be the limit for radiation exposure.
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so what they did, back in 1952, they assembled these crews. they thought they were the best people on earth to be able to handle this kind of a crisis. but then they had to make a very specific plan that would take the whole task of taking apart the nuclear reactor until 90 second steps. because no one would last inside the reactor for more than # 0 seconds. so the way it worked is one man would run in and unscrew a bolt and the next guy would run in after his 90 seconds was up and the would unscrew the next bolt. in order to plan this they actually built a full-sized reblicca of the reactor at a nearby playground and practiced every single step of the break down of this reactor, they practiced it all on the replica.
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that's how they took it apart one bolt at a time. it was a success that came at great risk to the men who had to run into that reactor to take it apart bit by bit, the man who was in charge of this incredibly risky, incredibly innovative operation was just 28 years old. he was a lieutenant in the navy with nuclear submarine experience. he was one of the only men on the entire planet at the time who had the skill set to develop this kind of a plan to himself go down inside a melted down nuclear reactor. again, a young man at the time, a young man from georgia. his name was james earl carter, went by jimmy for short.
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before jimmy carter became president, before he became a politician of any kind he was in the navy. he was actually the only american president to have graduated from the u.s. naval academy at annapolis. he served for seven years. that's how he got chosen for the prestigious nuclear program and how he ended up part of the elite team that saved ontario, the team that saved canada after the world's first scary nuclear disaster. he himself spent 89 seconds, 1 minute and 29 seconds inside the reactor unscrewing his bolt or whatever his one piece of the task was. these days the recommended radiation exposure would be well below what jimmy carter endured. he said later that in testing after the incident his urine tested positive for
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radioactivity for six months. today at 98 years old, almost 70 years since he walk into that nuclear reactor jimmy carter is home with his family. he's on hospice care. in these which are likely to be his final days to mark president carter's service to the nation the u.s. naval academy has announced its renaming a build on campus in his honor. the building was previously named of a confederate navy chief. that hall has been officially renamed carter hall. people gathered in the auditorium of a high school where the former president and his wife roselen both attended school. a historian asked the crowd to take the carter challenge. he said do something nice for somebody who needs it. if you have someone who needs a phone call, make the phone call. if somebody needs a visit, go make that visit.
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straight to kyiv, i think most people in the west thought that if that's what russia wanted to do that's what russia would do. i think the expectation was that russia will be toppling the national government in kyiv if not taking over all of ukraine in fairly short order. thaf not the universal expectation, but i would say that was the broad expectation in the west. russia, in fact, never got anywhere near doing that. at a more granular level i think most expected russia would at least control the skies over ukraine, russia would effectively eliminate ukraine's ability to operate in the air, control's ukraine's airspace thanks to the vast capabilities of the russian air force. that also has not happened at all despite the fact russian dominance in airspace in this war would be inevitable. now with ukraine having held off russia for a year i think the
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dominant expectation is that a long grinding war in the long run benefits russia, however inspiring and resilient the ukrainian people have shown themselves to be ultimately russia is much bigger country and per capita paying a much smaller cost for this war. i think it's fair to say it's a wildly held western expectation. given how badly widely held expectations have fared over the course of this past year when it comes to this war, i think perhaps it's worth looking at that one, too. on the occasion of president biden's surprise trip to kyiv today to meet with president zelenskyy in ukraine, argues in the atlantic that actually in this case part of what president biden's trip to kyiv says is that time isn't on russia's
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side, time is on ukraine's side. and that's a message that everybody including russia should now get. how could that be? joining us now is anne applebalm. thank you so much for being here. really appreciate it. >> delighted. >> first let me ask you if you agree with that framing that there have been some big western expectations about how this last year would go that have been wrong, proved wrong at a pretty fundamental level? >> look, we got almost everything about this war wrong. a year ago today most people expected the capital kyiv to fall within a few days. they thought zelenskyy would flee the country, the president of ukraine. if he wasn't going to flee the country they thought he'd be almost certainly assassinated or very quickly arrested or eliminated. there were lists circulating of
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ukrainians due to be arrested. that didn't happen. we were very wrong both about the russian military and about the ukrainians. we didn't factor in the corruption of russia when we heard how much money had been spent on the russian military we thought it had gone to buy weapons, turns out actually quite a lot of it had gone to buy villas in the south of france or apartments in london. we missed the resurgence of ukrainian civil society. it's a society that's really built from the ground up and not the top down. a lot of young people run it. it's -- you see many ministers and deputy ministers who are in their 30s and 40s. they really replaced the generation of kind of post-soviet leaders who led the country up until -- up until, you know, 8 or 9 years ago. and we misread how the war was going to go. i think it's worth continually asking ourselves whether or not
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we're misreading what's going to happen in the next few months or couple of years as well. i think your framing in that sense is absolutely right. >> and all of those mistakes or false assumptions or things proven wrong all sort of go in one direction, all lend us to overestimating russia's capabilities and underestimating ukraine's. is it possible after a year we're in danger of overcorrecting for that and overestimating what ukraine can stand, underestimating particularly what the russian military is capable of? >> so the russian military most people who are watching it don't think that the russian military is capable of anything extraordinary or incredible. they're not capable of any breakthrough. they have a lot of people they're willing to sacrifice and proved their willing to tolerate really an extraordinary number of casualties, unimaginable, for example in the united states we could have up to 200,000
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casualties and there would be no public outcry or objection especially in a war that most people aren't interested in or don't feel -- don't feel strongly about or really are afraid to discuss. you know, so, of course, i don't want to -- i don't want to indicate that russia is to be somehow discounted or ignored. as you've said earlier in the program president putin is going to make a speech tomorrow which may well call for demobilization, call for a warchy, might close the borders, all things are possible. i think we should keep in mind ukrainians have been working very hard to think about new and different ways to fight. they are good at reinventing weapons, changing the way they work whether it's cheap drones or more expensive american equipment they use it in unusual ways. i know they're thinking hard
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about what advantages they can have, you know, against a large military russian force, and i think it's important not to underestimate them again either. you know, it's also a war in which i think we have to take into consideration the possibility of black swan events. we don't really know what's going on inside the kremlin. we don't any way of finding out. many things could change very quickly. public support for the war in russia could crumble very quickly. public support in the sense of a small number of people around putin could change rapidly once it becomes clear that the war can't be won. so there's lots of strange and unexpected factors that, you know, i'd hate to sit here and make bad predictions one year into the war as i said a year ago people got almost everything wrong. >> but as you say i think it's wise to say watch out for the unexpected, and i think that actually includes watching out
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for what we're going to hear tomorrow from president putin in his sort of state of the state speech, those potential priviews you gave there in terms of what people would be looking for, other extreme measures like that could put things on a very different footing for him domestically. it'll be really interesting to watch. staff writer at the atlantic, i really appreciate you making the time to be here tonight. this is late at night. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> all right, we'll be right back. stay with us. ou >> all right, we'll be right back stay with us less sick days! cold coming on? zicam is the number one cold shortening brand! highly recommend it! zifans love zicam's unique zinc formula. it shortens colds! zicam. zinc that cold!
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if you were looking for a succinct summation of the state of one of the two major political parties right now you could do worse than the opening line of this "the washington post" report from this weekend. dateline lansing, michigan, quote, republicans here reeling from a mid-term election route many blamed on the influence of former president donald trump responded saturday by spurning trump's choice for state party chair and choosing someone even more extreme. of course they did. after a chaotic party convention this weekend, yes the michigan republican party has elected as a new chair a woman his relevant experience having just lost a statewide election for secretary of state by a whopping 15 points. she describes herself as a christian nationalists. people who are christian nationalists believe only
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christians should be citizens, and the core of her pitch to become chair of the michigan state republican party is she believes the 2020 election was stolen from donald trump but the 2020 election was also stolen from her as well. her opponent in the race for state party chairman he also lost a race for statewide office in michigan last year. but his unforgivable sin after he lost that race was that he conceded that he lost. she never conceded that she lost. she still denies that she lost, and so they picked her over him because the more election denial the better. if there was any question as to whether or not there was any lessening of election denying radicalism in the republicanp party, it would seem that actually the opposite is true at least in michigan. but it's not like michigan is an out liar here. take, for example, the state of georgia. we've now learned in georgia their state republican party is
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paying the legal bills of most of their fake electors. these are the people who are facing potential criminal prosecution now for having signed forged documents that were then sent to congress and the national archives, forged documents claiming that trump won their state even though trump didn't win their state. the state party is apparently behind them all the way for having done that, and we now know thanks to the atlanta journal constitution the state party has always paid out over $200,000 for their legal bills. perhaps that's because one of the fake electors is the state party chairman of the republican party in georgia. then there's one other of these that i think goes with it in washington, and it concerns republican speaker of the house kevin mccarthy. today axios was first to report that speaker mccarthy has decided to hand over all the capitol security camera footage from the january 6th attack, this 41,000 hours of footage, he's handed it all over to the
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fox news channel, which has devoted hours and hours and hours of airtime to conspiracy theories about january 6th being a liberal deep state plot that only seemed like it was caused by trump supporters but really it was the liberals. so the speaker of the house just gave them all the security camera footage from the actual capitol for them to play with, to see what they can do. here you go fox news prime time, hopefully you can use this official government material to concoct an alternate narrative to give us a more convenient revisionist history about what happened on january 6th. these things all have one thing in common, as time goes by the republican party's devotion to the stolen election lie, the republican party's devotion to denying the results of elections they don't like, the republican party's devotion to rewriting their history of their attempts to overturn previous elections, that fever is not breaking. this problem they've got is not
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it's good to have you here with us tonight. oats going to do it for us for now. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is up next. these are live pictures from russia where vladimir putin continues to push propaganda about his invasion of