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thank you, poland. thank you. thank you, thank you for what you're doing. god bless you. [ applause ] ♪♪ right now on "andrea mitchell reports" -- president biden's keynote speech in poland, reaffirming america's and nato's ironclad support for ukraine, pushing back against vladimir putin. framing the work as a life and death battle for freedom and autocracy and aggression. >> but there should be, no doubt, our support that ukraine will not waive are. nato will not be divided, and we will not tire. >> biden's address following on his widely celebrated wartime visit to kyiv yesterday, appointed u.s. rebuke to putin who delivered his annual address to his nation earlier today. putin announced he's suspending

russia's s.t.a.r.t. treaty with the u.s. >> the announcement by russia that it is suspended the situation is unfortunate and irresponsible. we'll, of course, make sure that in any event, we have posturing appropriately for the security of our own country and of that our allies. >> good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. president biden in warsaw points to the a united nato alliance. and ukraine's remarkable military performance over russia's overwhelming forces can russia sustain this. joining me is josh in warsaw. hi, josh, what are we expecting to hear from the president on this trip today, he's just given a speech which he affirms nato. and pushes back against putin and really delivered a huge

thank you to poland for what it is doing. >> reporter: that's exactly right, andrea. you know, ahead of this speech, white house officials were suggesting that this was not going to be a direct response to president vladimir putin of russia who gave his own major speech, largely focused on the ukraine war earlier today. while i suppose that this was not explicitly a response to putin, it sure felt like, as president biden talked about that fight between autocracy and democracy, as he cast this as a global fight for freedom. he said the appetite of autocrats cannot be appeased. it must be opposed. and he made clear that it is a key goal and really top priority for him, going forward, to make sure that that solidarity stays. that these nations do not let up in their support for ukraine. and for the broader effort to ensure freedom from that type of autocratic reach in the year to come. he said ukraine will never be a

victory for russia, never. and he also alluded to what we have been discussing quite a bit, those concerns back at home about some republicans who are starting to balk at continued u.s. support for ukraine in this war. he tried to cast a level of support in the u.s. for this as significant and bipartisan, sort of glossing over some of those differences there. but he also made a little bit of news, announcing that next year the united states will host a nato summit with all of the members of the alliance, as it marks the 75th anniversary of the nato alliance. and moving forward, andrea, the president, as he wraps up his trip here poland tomorrow, will have an opportunity to meet with the bucharest nine, the group of nato nations that are right on the eastern flank. right on russia's door step. that will be a final opportunity for president biden to try to cast this fight in ukraine, that all of these western nations are

supporting is something that is broader than ukraine. that this is a fight, that the ukrainians, with the help of the west are fighting, so that the rest of the nations don't have to fight it in their own territory including those nato nations who if dragged into a conflict with russia would mean that the u.s. would end up in a direct conflict with russia because of article 5 nato commitments. the president making that argument, as he stood at the same spot where last year in march he gave a speech that he said came at a time when there were real questions about the nato alliance. about its staying power. and about whether it was up to the challenge proposed by russia's invasion of ukraine. today, president biden saying any of those questions about nato have now been answered. andrea. >> clearly, such a stirring audience, the beautiful warsaw castle that we all were at last year, just could not have been better for him. and no front line country as you know so well, josh, has done

more than poland, to take in refugees. to stand firm, to deploy the tanks, the leopard tank, the patriots, i mean the defense -- >> reporter: you're right. >> the defense that poland has provided has just been amazing, right? >> reporter: and poland was one of the earlier adopts of these concerns about russia before the war even started, warning about president putin's intentions. and poland has been at the forefront of pushing its allies within the eu to do more. to step up with more military assistance, with more humanitarian assistance, and it really goes both ways. you know, president biden's popularity at home may be in the 40s according to recent nbc news polling, here in poland, andrea, president biden's approval of his handling of global affairs in this war is at 82% according to recent polling from pew. the highest of 18 countries that they tested.

this is a country that is very pro-americans that feels that alliance with the west and with washington in particular is bay bulwark against aggression from russia. it's something they're appreciative of, but is something always on the minds of people here in poland and in eastern europe that they could use that support. they know americans have lots of other americans domestically and internationally that they're worried about. and the clear message from president biden today, that he's keeping this on the front burner. and that support for democracy here in eastern europe is going to be steadfast from his administration. >> the white house could not -- i'm sure it could not be happier with the reception they're getting there. and that strong alliance and of course, that beautiful, beautiful setting at the warsaw castle. thanks so much, josh. and to erin mclaughlin in kyiv. just one day after president biden's dramatic visit to ukraine. this speech is going to resonate in ukraine next door.

you can see all of the blue and gold flags. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, andrea. and while we have yet to get specific reaction from ukrainian officials to this latest speech, ukrainians are certainly matching the president's conviction. this has been a big week for ukraine, of course, beginning with yesterday, president biden's historic visit to the capital of kyiv. remarkable when you consider what the situation was a year ago. with those dire intelligence warnings that kyiv could fall in days. and the event of a russian invasion. the u.s. embassy shuttered its doors. they packed up their things and moved to poland. and now, a year later, to see the president of the united states shoulder to shoulder with president zelenskyy, outside of st. michael's golden dome cathedral has given ukrainians the confidence to continue on with this very bloody fight, the

cost of which is still unknown. that ukrainian death toll is a state secret. and then you had president putin's speech today, ukrainians were bracing for that speech. wary of a possible announcement, given the way the speech was publicized by the kremlin. they were very concerned in conversations i've been having that president putin was going to make some big battlefield announcement which would change the dynamics of this war. instead, what ukrainians heard was a very inward looking speech that didn't shift anything dramatically. one ukrainian i was talking to, they saw signs of weakness. and we're hearing that confidence. earlier today, i was speaking to a top adviser to president zelenskyy and he was expressing his optimism for the next six months of this war. he said he believes if the ukrainian forces get all of the ammunition that they need, all of the equipment, all of the weaponry that they need, he believes that they could be

approaching the end of this war. so this moment in time, this speech by president biden, this trip to this region seen as absolutely critical and decisive in this fight. andrea. >> and, erin, keir simmons is joining us from moscow, where vladimir putin spoke for i guess well over an hour. that is a typical long putin speech. and he was -- he was denying that they started the war, what they don't call a war, special military operation. kier, what were your takeaways? >> reporter: well, that's right, andrea. in fact, you know president biden and president putin in their dueling speeches today, perhaps agreed on one idea and one word, and that word was war. president biden using that as a

war with the west. both men describes this as more than just a fight over territory. a fight, president putin said over ideas. over ideas and over the future of russia. now, one difference, one notable difference is there you have president biden, referring to president putin by name. pushing back directly on things that president putin had said just today, that the west started this war. somewhat incomprehensible there from president putin. and at the same time, president putin today, andrea, did not once mention president biden or say anything specifically about what president biden has said. instead, just targeted as you like, the west, describing that ukraine is doing the bidding of its western masters. now president putin's speech was well received by the audience that were there. his kind of modern day politburo, if you like. you know, i do wonder, whether

in the hours ahead, as people inevitably compare president biden's speech there with jfk's i'm a berliner, on ronald reagans "tear down that wall mr. gorbachev" on the other hand, no one is comparing putin's speech with anything. it hasn't shifted. it's the same logic, the same justification, just using different words. >> richard engel is in ukraine. richard, how would you compare that one-on-one style of engagement in the groundwork? >> reporter: well, you should have seen where i was today. it very much looked like world war i. we went back out to the trenches. and it is just starting to fall here, so the trenches now are

full of mud and ice. and we were out of the trenches with a soldier who we had met at the start of this war, a young lieutenant. and not to get too deep into his story, but i think his story encapsulates where we are on this conflict. so, we met him, even before the war began. he was getting ready for the war. he anticipated that russia would invade. and he was quite fresh-faced and he was working with his troops. now, we met him a year later. he's been wounded. he was out of service for two months because he had a serious shrapnel wound. and his entire company -- he's now been promoted he's a deputy command. 150 soldiers under his command have almost all been injured or killed including him. and he's back on the front line. he now has a beard. he's a much more hardened soldier. and while we were there, his troops were putting down rounds. they were firing from the

trenches this morning out here in eastern ukraine. so while kyiv, where president biden was yesterday, obviously, is relatively safe. president biden was able to go there and convince his security detail that given months of planning that they could pull this off. we are still in an active combat zone out here in the east. but the russians are launching a new offensive to try and take more territory. but so far they've not been able to gain a lot of momentum. so, what kier was just saying, president putin gave a speech today that didn't really -- his troops on the front line are not really moving the dial. they're dieing in large numbers because they're fighting against dug-in positions. going back to world war i, anyone who knows that if you attack defense, dug-in positions that are well situated in trenches, you're going to take enormous casualties. but that's apparently russia's strategy right now, rush the trenches, at whatever cost.

>> and, richard, does what has happened diplomatically filtered on to the front lines, perhaps not lack of comes -- i don't -- is perhaps that the president was in kyiv -- >> reporter: no, it does. i wasn't sure if it would. but i asked several soldiers there, yes, they knew it happened. they'd seen the images. it lifted their spirits. they saw that president biden had the courage to go there. had the courage to come to this country. that he was making this a priority. so, yes, they knew about it. they liked it. and i was with ukrainians listening to president biden's speech just a few moments ago, and there were smiles on their faces. this is the kind of leadership that they've been looking for from the united states. and they believe they have a friend in president biden, it's quite clear that they do have a friend in president biden. and what's so unique, what struck me about this speech in poland was the timing, of

course. we talked a lot about the timing, one-year anniversary. but also the location. people in poland and the president there lived under the iron curtain. they know what it's like to live under an oppressive political system as does most of the europe. now, they shook offer the dictatorship and they are living better lives. if there are any people until eastern europe who want to go back to the days of soviet domination. so, it was an important speech for the region and it certainly, from what i could tell, was well received here, as well as the visit yesterday. >> richard, one of the phrases that really came to mind, came through to me, was there is no sweeter word than freedom. the president's words in a beautiful setting, surrounded by people waving ukrainian flags. richard engle, keir simmons,

thanks to both of you. richard, stay safe. and joining us now is leon panetta, former defense secretary, cia director, former white house chief of staff. leon, you've done it all. today was a pretty strong day followed up by a dramatic day yesterday. what would you say about the biden white house including what you saw so far? >> well, there's no question that the president has been on a historic trip. and a very historic time. and the trip is not only a total affirmation of the united states and the world leadership at a very critical time for the president to go to ukraine, to take a very risky trip. and then to stand up, not only saying that kyiv is still standing, but also in poland, that this is about freedom. and about democracy.

i think he really has made very clear what a pivotal time this is. this is not just about the war in ukraine. it's about whether or not democracy is going to survive in the 21st century. and i think -- i think his ability to make that clear and to create this bond between our allies and ukraine is extremely important in defining democracy versus autocracy. >> how worrying is putin's announcement, a sharp contrast, of course, to the president's speech here, that russia's getting out of the new stark treaty, is this is symbolic given they've blocked inspections so it couldn't be verified any longer. >> it's certainly not a surprise. they were essentially moving that direction, and it's pretty clear they've now taken this

last step. only confirms in my mind that we are living in a very dangerous time. in which not only are we trying to defend democracy, but we're dealing with the threat from putin who continues to talk about the potential of using a nuclear weapon. in addition, we're looking at the possibility that china might provide aid to russia, which essentially means that the united states is going to be confronting really an axis of evil benefit russia and china, and other autocracies like north korea and iran. this is a very definitive moment in which the united states and the rest of the world has to confront the threat of tyrants

around the world as well. >> how much of -- how much of a game-changer could it be if china does weigh in and ignore antony blinken's very strong warnings on a saturday night in munich and go ahead and cross that line and arm russia for this war? >> well, i was very pleased with secretary blinken's warning to china. i think it was a very strong warning about the serious consequences of doing that. i find it difficult to believe that xi really wants to get into the middle of this. you know, china has usually been concerned about china first. and for them to engage in providing arms and getting in the middle of this war between nato and the united states and ukraine against russia only will

weaken china. it will only weaken china. so, i would think that despite the threats and the tough talk, xi has got to be thinking long and hard about the consequences that china will face if they in fact engage in providing weapons to russia. it is -- it would be a pivotal step for china as well to suddenly get in the middle of this. >> wang yi, the top diplomat ma is in moscow. there's a report that president xi is going to make a trip to moscow. let me ask you about president zelenskyy's appeal for fighter jets arguing -- of course, the white house is arguing the f-16 is too complicated. takes too much pilot training certainly would not be in place

for this current offensive by russia which is misnamed the spring offensive that's already under way. but do you think that the fighter jets should be supplied as zelenskyy is arguing, or is the administration correct? >> i think we're at a stage where, frankly, everything should be on the table and being considerate. i mean, i recognize the issue of training, the issue of maintenance, et cetera. and all of that has to be taken into consideration. you know, we're in it for the long haul. and at this moment in time it is very important that ukraine maintain the initiative in this war. russia's losing. russia's losing. even though they're trying to put on an offensive, they're not gaining ground. and it's clear that ukraine has the momentum. now, we've got to maintain that momentum, we've got to give them whatever they need in order to continue to win this war.

and so, i would -- i'd put everything on the table. i would look at what are the most important weapons they need at this point in time, and make sure that we're providing those weapons, but i would -- i would consider everything that could help ukraine be able to defend itself. and for that reason, and i get this, frankly, from the administration itself, that, you know, even though they may raise concerns that the reality is that they are considering whatever may be necessary to try to help ukraine in this war. >> how important is it, do you think that zelenskyy not push too hard into crimea? would that be a trigger against something horrendous from vladimir putin? >> i think right now, the most important thing is for, you know, ukraine to be able to stop any russian offensive.

and go on the initiative, be able to start pushing russia back in the donbas, and push them out of the territories they gained as a result of this invasion. i think that ought to be the primary focus. obviously, they continue to believe that crimea is part of the ukraine, and it is. and russia obtained it illegally. but i think right now, the main focus ought to be on pushing the russians back. gaining the initiative, and making clear that russia is not going to succeed. the most important thing to maintaining the unity of the united states and nato and ukraine is ukraine showing that it's winning this war. that is what will hold everybody together. and trying to make clear that putin will not succeed. and that -- that needs to be the

focus of our military effort there. >> leon panetta, as always, thank you, mr. secretary. >> good to be with you. and fears and frustrations. we're awaiting an epa update on the ohio train derailment as residents say they're not being told the whole story about the impact of those toxic chemicals. environmental activist erin brockowitz joins me next on her efforts to help east palestine. this is "andrea mitchell reports." a mitchell reports. -i can try. hey, what you doing? oh, just cleaning my trash cans. wow. it's important to build trust. see you put your address and phone number on here. well, you can never be too safe. with trash? progressive can't protect you from becoming your parents, but we can protect your home and auto -when you bundle with us. -don't look at the hedges. -they're a mess. -no one's looking at the hedges. get refunds.com powered by innovation refunds

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it's been nearly three weeks since a train carrying hazardous chemicals derailed in a small town in ohio, releasing toxic chemicals into the air, water and ground. followed by controlled release of vinyl chloride on february 6th. despite repeated assertions by the governor and the epa that the air and water was safe for residents, approximately 3500 fish died in four waterways. the rail company acknowledging

that exposure to the chemicals, direct exposure could cause ear, eye and throat irritation. and some of those chemicals are known carcinogens. the ahead of the epa, michael regan and pennsylvania governor josh shapiro will be there. earlier they toured the home of carolyn brown, told that residents need to feel safe in their own community. >> everybody hears one thing here, hears another thing here. you don't know who to trust, you know, that's a big part of it, you know, the uncertainty. and if you're going to have to move. >> saying the water is safe, dewine poured two glasses of water from brown's tap. >> we believe you're a guinea pig, but we don't mind proving to you that we believe the water is safe. >> okay. >> here's to you. >> thank you.

>> joining me now is consumer advocate erin brockovich. and author of the brockovich newsletter. it's great to meet you virtually again. >> great to see you. >> and you. i want to play for you part of an interview that our colleagues cnbc did with the ceo of north southern, alan shaw. >> if east palestine was your home, would you come back, would you bring your children back? >> yes, yes. i've been back here multiple times. i've drank the water with the families here. i know they're hurt. they're scared. i know they're confused and they're looking for information and who to trust. i encourage them to ask questions. >> you know, erin, you know far more about this than i do. i keep thinking about the epa

after 9/11 on the pile telling all of those firemen, police, first responders, oh, the air is fine here, nothing is going on here. and then they started dying of cancer over the years. >> right. >> and ignored the legislation. what are the people supposed to do? >> they're going to need to trust themselves and their instincts. they're their own eyes and ears. they know what they've experienced. they know what they continue to smell. what they continue to see. the health symptoms that they continue to have. and they need to act on that, and not wait for any well intended or misleading or otherwise statement from the u.s. epa or norfolk. and that's one thing that i've seen in every one of these community that's been critical. they don't need to be gaslit, if you will. and they walk away very uncertain. and i need them to stay together as a community and pay attention, and document and journal what's happening to

them. because, andrea, there's not going to be an immediate overnight solution to this disaster. and they need to hear the full truth. and i watched the u.s. epa michael regan, drinking the water. and in that moment, that condition could have been safe. but that's not going to be how it's always going to be. we're going to have to deal with how all of these chemicals migrate through the water. where they hit the wells. so there's so much more to this to ensure not only in a moment, but for the future. these people, their water and their health are in fact not being jeopardized. >> and the epa has ongoing air and water testing and telling the community residents that it's safe. but as you point out, if it is accurate, that's in this moment.

residents continue to report health problems. they're losing their sense of taste. eye infections. they're having a hard time breathing. we talked about the fish kill. a new health clinic just opened up today, and they don't even have room for all of the people that want to come in. >> well, this is total lack of preparedness or planning for any type of incident like this that could occur. there's been accidents and derailments on this line before and everybody should have been prepared. and that's the thing that's so frustrating to these people. and now they feel like they're being run around. they should be monitoring these people, they should be doing urinalysis, and blood draws. and are they testing and nobody has even mentioned dioxin and how toxic that is. and so, there's so much

misinformation, it's just creating a worse scenario for the community. but they should be there monitoring their health, running tests. what are you looking for? sharing these results with the people. so, i don't want to sit here and say everything that's coming out of somebody else's mouth is a fact or lie. but i think there's a lot of misinformation, mistruths, without a further explanation of how this is going to play out. and just working on a moment, which won't be tomorrow. and as you said so beautifully, what happened in 9/11, that, you know, here it was all safe. but look what we're learning down the line. we can't afford to put another community through that. >> the epa has just today ordered norfolk southern to clean up the train derailment site and pay costs. and they did find some contaminated soil under the tracks today and yesterday. they're going to clean that up. but is that enough? should the federal government be

doing more long term? >> well, i think long term, we have to take a really long hard look on the up front why and how we're letting certain chemicals into the stream of commerce and on to the marketplace -- period. i think we have to look at infrastructure failures. we have to look the arailroads that are carrying these hazardous chemicals coming through town, and how we're going to manage that going forward. so, there's a systemic issue at play here. there's not a quick answer overnight. there's a lot of information that we still need, while we may know a lot, there's still a lot we don't know. and that's what we have to trace. and i think what's so important to these communities is tell them, if you don't know something, i don't know something. but we're going to have to find out. and all of this information just leads to greater frustration. and we need and we should have responded much quicker to the situation and in a three-week lag time is a big deal.

and how much chemicals are seeping into the water, into the soil. and this is a long-term remediation, litigation and monitoring program to ensure the safety of this town long term. >> and you're taking part in a town hall in east palestine on friday, where people clearly have a lot of questions. >> yes. >> we haven't heard yesterday from the transportation secretary -- we've heard from him, but he's not been onsite. so is he not to come and own this, and do we need new regulations? because i've heard reports that this train was not only extraordinarily long, too many cars, but -- >> yes. >> but it's permitted with one car of toxics. i don't know the exact numbers. >> right. >> but, you know, there should be better regulations on how many cars and what kinds of chemicals can be transported across the country. >> right. correct. we should be. and, you know, we've had a lot of good regulations on the book.

part of the problem is they're not enforced. so if we're not enforcing them what good is having those regulations. so, i think we need to look at different regulations. i think we need to look the acorporate models. and the railroad has one that, you know, it's kicked the can down the line. it's profit over safety. and it's profit over anything and that jeopardizes them. so we need to look at these corporate business models. we need enforce regulations of the ones we have on the books. that is certainly a problem. so, as i said earlier, there's a whole lot of things that we have to look at. and right for me, in the moment, in the moment, the most important thing we can do is listen to these people. keep this community intact and normalize quickly to give answers, assurance and testing and oversight for their health

and welfare. they're terrified. i would be, too. and this is a problem that these environmental issues with these incomes. and they play out in a very poor way as we move further into as the contamination moves and we discover what they've really been exposed to. so, i think the most important thing to do is begin to circle and protect them with testing, doctors, information. and assuring that it is safe. and at this point, i think everybody's questioning, did we sound the alarm too early to let them come home? and they're very fearful. and we need to ascertain every bit of information that we can to give them an honest answer. and my gosh, if it's not, look, we have to be honest with people. they can always handle the truth, i've learned that about people. but what they can't handle is the lie. >> erin brockovich, thank you so much. >> thanks, andrea. and right now in east palestine ohio the epa administrator michael regan is

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here day to day. and people who have been inspired to want to tap into the sort of carter experience by having observed him from afar. just as americans. as our 39th president. and so we talked to some people about his life here and how he affected their own lives. and we met a local man from georgia. we also met a father and son who were on a trip and decided to take a detour in order to stop here in plains and see some of the artifacts of the jimmy carter experience here. here's a little bit of those conversations. >> that's kind of what makes him great. he doesn't think of himself as being, you know, this man that had all of this power. he thinks of himself just being an ordinary guy that happened to do extraordinary things. >> that, to me, is something i would hope he would carrying on giving back to the community and being that type of person. >> and that shows what type of

man he is. >> reporter: one of the things we hear here in plains and it is a small town. and so much of its identity is built around jimmy carter as a president. who won a nobel prize. who wrote so many books. who did such good works around the world, to eradicate disease and promote democracy. people are proud of the fact that he and rosalynn chose to remain here at home. yes, they have a home in atlanta, but they could have lived anywhere. and it means a great deal to people that he chose to keep his connections here in the community it's a time of reflecting about his life and a little bit of a sad time as well. andrea. >> indeed, bittersweet. kelly o'donnell, thank you very much. and suspended start, russia is unraveling the last nuclear arms treaty and what this means

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speech to his nation earlier. putin announcing he's suspending the new start nuclear arms control treaty, a 30-year-old treaty eliminating missile deployments by the u.s. and russia, but moscow stopped inspections of missile sites in its country, making russia's compliance with the treaty unverifiable. joining us now, barry mccaffrey and former nato supreme allied commander general admiral james stavridis. well, before you call me out, putin said today russia is suspending its participation in new start but they put out a statement saying in the interest of peace, they're not going to change their numbers of missile deployments. strictly observe the quantitative restrictions. so was that just for effect, for domestic consumption that he's canceling new start, when they're not going to change the number of missiles? >> look, putin is an angry man. he is failing in what has turned

into his legacy activity, invading ukraine. and so he's looking for other targets he can hit. one thing he can is going to do wherever he can is be as annoying as possible to the united states. he's also going to kind of rattle that nuclear saber. he's done it several times. already talking about tactical nuclear weapons, inferring he might -- look, bottom line, andrea, i think it is highly unlikely putin is going to reach for a nuclear weapon because number one there is very little military utility spread out across 800 miles of battle, and secondly, he knows using a nuclear weapon will cause the swing vote in the middle, india, pakistan, china, south africa, brazil, nigeria, all those countries kind of on the fence, they're going to walk away if putin uses a nuke. so, he was, i think, throwing that out for domestic consumption, but then tempering

it with the final comment that he made. i don't lay awake at night thinking about putin and nukes. >> general mccaffrey, what do you lay awake at night worrying about in terms of the battlefield right now? we're in an old-fashioned, what richard engel said looks like world war i trench warfare. >> entirely correct. the nuclear option makes no rational sense at all. not from a military perspective, using tactical nuclear weapons in ukraine, nor the continuing blood thirsty threats of strategic nuclear attack on berlin, paris, london, washington, d.c. i never heard more irresponsible language in my life and i was lead jcf negotiator with the

russians and they wouldn't say that kind of thing in private. it is a shocking situation. i might also add putin in his speech said he was suspending the new start treaty, which confines both sides to 550 nuclear warheads. and he also said he would not start testing nuclear weapons unless the u.s. does. so i think he is putting it out there, it is another point of contention. look, russia is a pariah nation. they are strategically and a disastrous situation. he has no way out except to break the western alliance. so we just better hope that the political leadership and nato and the eu and the contact group is able to sustain ukraine and their brutal battle against russian offensives. >> china's top diplomat wang yi who gave a tough speech in munich this weekend is in moscow today. and there are reports, one unconfirmed report by us that

president xi will go to moscow as well. how big a problem is it if china does what tony blinken was warning this weekend and begins sending weapons to russia? >> it would be very worrisome because putin is burning through his equipment. he is burning through troops. now, china is not going to send troops to support him, but what he needs are military equipment, ammunition in particular, artillery, he needs chips to rebuild a lot of the equipment that has been destroyed. so it would present a real problem. i am hopeful that china will heed the warnings that i'm certain secretary blinken deliver. this would be a bad move on the part of china. it would cause sanctioning, further activities by the u.s. and the south china sea would get closer to taiwan. we have a lot of options to respond if we have to. let's hope china stays out of

becoming the weapons supplier to vladimir putin's rotten regime. >> and, general mccaffrey, i'm afraid we have to leave it there. but i assume you agree that the last thing we need is for china to be involved. i'm not sure, you know, doesn't seem to me, just very briefly that china would want that, you know. they know the risk of getting involved in putin's war, right? >> right. yeah. well, i think, again, the linkage is to taiwan and that's what we got to be concerned about. we're trying to deter war in the taiwan straits, a blockade of taiwan, confrontation with the japanese, australians, indians and us, and this is a good team, by president biden. blinken's on this subject, i think in a very balanced way. >> and sharing intelligence with the allies as well this weekend. general barry mccaffrey, admiral

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