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something we already knew, that he's a terrible liar. then he follows that up with more lies. the latest on the embattled republican who now claims he wants to be the most transparent lawmaker in congress. we start with a defining day for the u.s./russian relationship as well as for safety and security around the globe. today, president biden and vladimir putin gave duelling speeches, laying out duelling visions, both of the war in ukraine and what the world order should be. both see huge stakes, democracy and ukrainian freedom on the u.s. side, while in putin's mind, it is his country's very existence and neither man giving any indication they're willing to back down. >> over the past year, the united states has come together with our allies and partners in an extraordinary coalition to stand against russian aggression. but the work in front of us is not just what we're against. it is about what we're for.

what kind of world do we want to build? there is no sweeter word than freedom. there is no nobler goal than freedom. there is no higher aspiration than freedom. americans know that, and you know it. and all that we do now must be done so our children and grandchildren will know it as well. >> translator: elites of west are not hiding their goals. they are, as they say, trying to inflict a strategic defeat on russia. what does that mean to us? that means they want to end with russia, they want to turn the local conflict into a phase of global conflict. >> and nbc's chief white house correspondent kristen welker is in warsaw with the president and ben rhodes served as deputy national security adviser in the obama administration and is an

msnbc political contributor. president biden's speech today was a powerful indictment of russian tactics, both globally and specifically on the battlefield. but what did we learn about the u.s. position and frankly the u.s. strategy to find a way out of this conflict? >> well, chris, we didn't learn a whole lot about the strategy to find a way out of the conflict, but what we did hear as you say is this strong condemnation of vladimir putin and his tactics. the president, again, accusing him of crimes against humanity. that was a charge that was first leveled against the vice president over the weekend. the president building on that allegation, accusing him of brutality, russians of rape, of other horrific crimes, and saying that there should be accountability. i also thought it was striking, chris, president biden made the decision to take on part of what president putin said today head on, where putin said he was

forced into this war because russia was potentially going to come under attack by the west, the president called that out as patently false, saying that was just never going to happen. and then notably he said here we are, as we're just days away from marking the one-year anniversary of russia's war in ukraine, putin has failed at every turn. the president saying kyiv stand strong, kyiv stands proud, kyiv stands free. and making the case that democracies have gotten stronger, nato has gotten stronger, and really a call to action, chris. so if you think about strategy, that continues to be the strategy of the united states to keep nato unified, to keep its global allies unified in this fight, to isolate russia, to end this war in ukraine. it is a challenge abroad. it is a challenge at home because, of course, with the sharply divided congress, you have some republicans who are saying they don't want to write a blank check for ukraine. that is going to be the challenge for president biden moving forward to actually

execute on that call to action to keep allies and members of congress at home unified behind this fight. >> kristen welker traveling with the president, thank you for that. so, ben, listening to vladimir putin, he is not going anywhere. he seems intent on escalating this fight, in part because suspending the last nuclear agreement we had with russia, the new start treaty. i want to play part of what secretary of state antony blinken said in response to that. >> the announcement by russia that it is suspending participation is deeply unfortunate and irresponsible. we'll be watching carefully to see what russia actually does. we'll, of course, make sure in any event we posture appropriately for the security of our own country and that of our allies. >> what do you make of what we heard putin say today, ben? is it gamesmanship or does it actually increase the threat to u.s. national security and international security?

>> well, it certainly makes things more dangerous, chris. what you lose without a new start treaty is any verification regime or transparency or insight into russia's strategic nuclear forces. so obviously we would benefit from having that kind of arms control in place. that's why the united states and russia and the soviet union had arrangements like this for decades. what it shows you is the degree to which vladimir putin is cutting the cord on any way back to a relationship with the united states and the west. obviously the invasion of ukraine was the most extreme manifestation of that. the sanctions have been put in place have further driven russia away from the west, and now here he is tearing up the last piece of the arms control regime between the united states and russia. and i think it signals the era we're in, which is an era of direct competition and confrontation between russia and the west, and putin, you know this is the only place left for him to go, but it is a place he's relatively comfortable.

>> the white house really didn't want this to be a split screen, but it is almost impossible not to make those comparisons because of the diametrically opposed views of what we heard from the two men, views of reality, but also forward-looking. that's what i want to ask you about, ben, this big picture that i think was maybe summarized by what the president said when he said what kind of world do we want to build and he framed it, you know, five years from now, your children, your grandchildren, is that what's at stake here? >> yeah. i think it was smart of them. look, the split screen, you can't avoid it. an anniversary is not a time where people are laying out new detailed plans. it is a time when you're reminding people what this is all about. what are we fighting for? what is at stake here? and both putin and biden are doing that. i think they're also very smart to go to kyiv yesterday because a year ago i think very few people would have bet that a u.s. president joe biden would go to kyiv before vladimir

putin. and that's the ultimate symbol of his failure. he does not control ukraine. he does not control kyiv. he's been humiliated and his military has, however, to your point, they're still there. russia is a big country, putin shows no signs of going anywhere. not uprisings against him. he's entrenched in power. he's find something work around to the sanctions. so the positive story is what ukraine can achieve. if there is some area of concern, putin is just as entrenched as ever and as dug in as ever and there are a lot of people dying. i think what president biden is trying to do is signal a message of endurance. we're in this for as long as it takes and it may not get better before it gets worse. there is a lot of violence, there is a lost suffering that is taking place. he wants to create that horizon. this is about big things like whether nations can make their own decisions for themselves. this is about the survival of freedom in this world and if we stick to this now, through difficult days, the payoff five

years, ten years from now, in ukraine and around the world, is going to be more freedom, more democracy, and a message that people do what vladimir putin did in ukraine, fail and are punished for it. i think an anniversary is the right time to pull back the camera and show people that picture of what we're doing and why we're doing it and where this is all going. >> this leads me perfectly to ukraine. if you can stay with us, i want to go to erin mclaughlin in kyiv. this does bring us back to the question, erin, of what ukraine is willing to do, right, and do they have a plan, is there a vision to end this war? we heard kyiv security chief say this week that ukraine would end the war by parking its tanks in moscow's red square. what should americans know about ukraine's willingness to fight for months, even years if necessary? we have seen their resilience in this year one. >> reporter: hey, chris. well, earlier today i sat down

with a top zelenskyy adviser and he told me and was quite clear that they have no intention of sending ukrainian tanks into russian territory. they have no intention of seizing russian territory. what they want is the ukrainian territory that is currently being occupied by russian forces and in his view, that includes crimea. that is the definition of victory in the eyes of ukrainians. i asked him what the next six months will look like from his vantage point. take a listen to what he had to say. >> translator: we get the necessary types and quantities of weapons, primarily shells and missiles, because this is a very intense artillery and react to artillery war, i think in six months we will be approaching the finalization of this war. >> reporter: i also asked him about those fighter jets that

ukrainian leaders have been repeatedly asking for. he told me that they're currently in talks with the biden administration for those fighter jets and they are confident, confident that the biden administration will eventually sign off on fighter jets for ukraine. again, what ukrainians see as absolutely essential for pushing russian forces out of their country. quite optimistic view here in kyiv tonight, especially on the heels of the president's visit yesterday, that is being seen as a big boost of confidence for the entire country. >> erin mclaughlin, thank you for that. ben, the administration has tried to be judicious about the decisions that it makes. there have been some delays and critics is said too long delays in deciding to do things like, yeah, let's get germany to get some tanks in there. but the f-16s are something much bigger. do you see that happening? do you -- i don't know if share the optimism is the right word,

but believe that's likely to happen? and what needs to happen, if even six months is going to be realistic? >> i think that f-16s are very difficult for the biden administration because that's a weapon that could be used to directly attack russian targets inside of russia. i think it is prudent to be talking to the ukrainians about it. one thing you have to bear in mind, ukrainian pilots have to be trained to fly those planes. this could take six months a year from a decision to have a capacity for ukrainian pilots to fly those planes. i think you may want to be having those conversations now, in case you want to make the move to that kind of capability. i think the bottom line is they're being judicious in that you don't want to start a war between the united states and russia. that's been one of president biden's principles from the very beginning of this policy. and so they're going to be calibrated and when they provide certain weapons systems and how they provide them, i think they're somewhat cautious about crimea as well.

they think that i think probably rightly vladimir putin, you know, in his own wrong and warped world view sees crimea as a part of russia, not just in terms of the annexation he passed, but in some kind of deeper way. and so they have been careful about that. i think what is going to happen now is you have this kind of grind it out artillery battle taking place. as the weather improves, you'll see offensives by both sides. we'll see if the additional tanks and weaponry provided to ukraine makes a difference or whether the russian manpower advantage from the call-ups being done makes a difference. and then they'll be constantly reassessing. where does this war look in three months, six months? are the ukrainians making rapid advancements and suggesting they can push russia out of all of their territory or is there a stalemate settling in and what kind of diplomacy do we want to bring to bear to help the ukrainians? right now we'll go through the next chapter of this war, the offensives that take place through the spring. and they'll continue to be

making decisions about heavier weapons based on how things look on the ground, what the needs are from the ukrainians, and what the momentum is on the battlefield. >> ben rhodes good to have you on the program, thank you for coming in. appreciate it. in the next half hour, i'll speak with someone who negotiated face to face with vladimir putin, former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfall. at this hour, we're getting a live look at the show of force in ohio. you see there to the left of your screen, we saw the governor, the epa administrator, governors of both ohio and pennsylvania, all in east palestine to continue to address the toxic train derailment there. with anxiety increasing and residents complaining of rashes and headaches and nausea and other symptoms, a new health clinic opened its doors just about an hour ago. i want to bring in nbc's george solis from ohio. set the scene for us, both in terms of that show of force and the response to the health

concerns. >> reporter: that's right, the head of the epa michael regan announcing that norfolk southern was going to be held accountable for all cleanup associated with the derailment site, the soil contamination, water contamination, any costs incurred by the epa. if they go into people's homes and they address any of the concerns, health concerns related to that, they're also saying that the epa will charge norfolk southern three times whatever costs they incur if they find the company is not doing what they said they're going to do. they're also asking the company to go to any public meetings that the epa requests. they're putting them in the hot seat. as far as the health clinic goes, a few residents upset with how this is playing out. they were understanding this might be a clinic where they might be able to see a doctor, get some tests done. turns out this is more of a place where they can go to get some information, maybe sign up for insurance and find out which doctor they can go to, including their primary care doctor.

to maybe furtherancer some health concerns they had here after the train derailment. i want too play you a little bit of what the epa said moments ago. take a listen. >> we're not going to leave this community behind. we're not going to leave this community to manage this aftermath alen. we're with you. norfolk southern will pay for cleaning up the mess they created and the trauma they inflicted on this community. >> reporter: part of this tour, the head of the epa and the other officials are going to some residents' homes showing them they are testing the air and water and there is concerns about their health are still being listened to. >> back to the health clinic. i read a number of local news reports in ohio, and they indicated that there were going

to be doctors, nurses, other professionals like folks who understand about toxic chemicals, none of that is available there? >> reporter: so the last information we saw from the ohio department of health is they have nurses there and a toxicology expert, but no mention of doctors there. they're not doing any blood analysis there, not prescribing any kind of medication or anything so that effect. this was not about physical exams. today is about assessing and recommending where people should go. >> got it, okay, george. thank you for that. appreciate it. transportation secretary pete buttigieg wants the nation's freight and railroads to improve safety immediately. today, we just heard george allude to some of this, buttigieg announced a new package of reforms. his department will begin tracking the inspections of routes used by trains carrying hazardous materials, he's also proposed electronically controlled brakes on certain trains carrying hazardous materials.

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new signs of a republican shift away from donald trump, with donors and key trump supporters taking a good look now at a potential 2024 challenger, ron desantis. desantis is targeting trump territory, just off a one-day, three-stop visit with police unions, in new york, suburban philadelphia and suburban chicago. he's got a pro police message to

a group that donald trump has owned his first run for president in 2016. then there is campaign cash. desantis traveled south from tallahassee to trump's own backyard this week. they'll both be in palm beach to meet with republican donors. those events just four miles and one day apart. i'm joined now by kimberly atkins store, columnist for "the boston globe" and msnbc political analyst. and with us, allyse. ron desantis is definitely get ing donald trump's attention. he's been going after him on truth social. he talked about having a bigger crowd than desantis, he's been calling him a rino and went after him on fox news. what are you hearing, though, about the trump campaign overall? how worried are they about desantis? >> well, clearly, just from the evidence that we're seeing,

there is some worry there because desantis, of all of the 2024 hopefuls so far, seems to be the one going most directly at trump's base. he's been the one that has been fomenting the same sort of like culture war issues that donald trump is known for, whether it is over education, and his attempt to stop the african studies ap classes or shipping immigrants who cross the border to blue states and now going to the cities and having this very pro, you know, anticrime, pro police message. he's really trying to aim shagt straight for the same playbook as donald trump to be the heir apparent. he claimed credit for desantis being elected as governor in florida, now feeling pretty steamed he seems to be trying to be his biggest competitor in the primary now. >> so, allyse, what do you make ofesantis strategy?

he's going after some of his base, like the police unions. >> he's trying to lay the groundwork for presidential bid clearly. his book is going to come out on february 28th. while he can try to shore up the crowd, donald trump pretty clearly dominates. it has been his thing since 2016 and he has really hammered home the crime message. so, kind of tough to make inroads there, but i would argue that ron desantis is doing really well with the republican donor class. and i don't necessarily see trump supporters moving away. i think that there is going to be, you know 30 to 40% of republican voters who are going to vote for donald trump, no matter what. and of that percentage, how many of those would be willing to vote for anyone else or will donald trump convince them that

any other nominee would be illegitimate? there is a strong possibility that even if donald trump lost, he's going to pull so many voters from whoever the republican nominee would be. and i -- i don't actually think that donald trump would lose the republican nomination to desantis at this stage in the game. >> well, democrats seem to be taking desantis seriously. at least to the extent that illinois' governor j.d. pritzker slammed him saying actions speak louder than words. if ron desantis had his way, florida would have had the resources to deliver for the law enforcement community. you got the mayors of new york city, chicago, also going after desantis. does this suggest, in spite of a lot of them saying, well, he hasn't been tested on the national stage, that they are worried he could be a strong

opponent to joe biden? >> well, i think they are doing what they can at this juncture to go after who seems like they may be the front-runner. and desantis has -- i agree with allyse, it will be very hard to pull trump's most core base away, but we have seen some polling that there is not just among the establishment republicans, but among voters, there may be some trump fatigue and we don't know the extent that is yet. so democrats at this point are trying to go after whoever may be the front-runner for now or for the future as best as they can. and we have seen someone like pritzker going point by point countering what desantis is talking about. i think we'll see more of that and that will shift as more people get into this race and the race shakes out a little bit more. i think democrats aren't taking anything for granted now. >> let's talk about a few -- the other people who might get into the race.

i wonder, allyse, if you think there is room for a more moderate republican. "the new york times" profiled chris sununu who says you can be a conservative and not be an extremist. can that message resonate with republicans who vote in primaries? >> chris, it is a message that i love, but, no, i don't think it will resonate in a republican primary. i think we're really seeing a repeat of 2016 shaping up, and possibly donald trump isn't even going to be challenged as much as he was in 2016 when other candidates would at least criticize him. you see how most candidates really just shy away from attacking trump directly because they know that the counterpunch can really wound them. and so they're still walking on eggshells a bit. this year, he, as of now, if he stays out of legal trouble, he's still in a pretty strong

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right now, wisconsin voters were casting their ballots in a high stakes race with national implications. the primary battle is for an open seat on the state supreme court. and already it is attracting a lot of eyes and millions of dollars. the runoff in april will decide the political makeup of the currently conservative court, that will hear cases that range from abortion rights to election access. i want to bring in nbc's shaq brewster from wisconsin. the milwaukee journal sentinel puts it this way, they say the race is, quote, unmatched in its consequence to policy. talk a little bit more about what's at stake here on both sides. >> reporter: you hear that description because this conservative court has been at the center of some really controversial rulings over the past couple of years. we're talking about rulings that struck down covid restrictions, forced an election just weeks into the pandemic, made drop

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>> this is from a pro-life perspective the most impactful election that we have had in decades. >> the future of reproductive freedom hangs in the balance of one person's election. >> reporter: both sides running massive voter engagement operations. >> we have been involved in supreme court races in the past. the goal is to be much more involved in the supreme court race. >> reporter: from in person events and door knocking to text messaging and digital outreach, groups going beyond november's efforts. >> to my knowledge we have never done a program registering folks to vote in the way that we're doing now. we have never had such a large grassroots effort. >> reporter: the race nonpartisan in name only, two conservatives and two liberals competing in february's primary. the top two overall finishes will advance to the general election in april. >> the race will affect certainly policy immediately in wisconsin. the. >> reporter: winner will set the ideological balance of the

conservative cart through at least 2024, a potential flip would allow the court it revisit recent conservative wins that block the use of ballot drop boxes and projected gerrymandered legislative tracks. >> abortion policies, election policies, the rights of unions, the power of the governor, educational issues, all of those thin things are ending up before the state supreme court. this court will have an immediate effect. >> reporter: we have seen a steady flow of people going into the polling location behind me. it is important to note here that it will be the top two overall candidates who will advance to the general election. so while it is not likely, it is possible that two of the conservative candidates or two of the liberal candidates will win tonight, meaning we may know the ideological makeup of the court for years to come by this evening. >> you don't usually see a lot of people going out to vote in february, especially in a primary. given the amount of money spent on this and the stakes, this

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election meddling investigation. the associated press spoke to a former jury member who said she knew it was a major case, when they were led down a staircase into a garage beneath a downtown atlanta courthouse where officers with big guns were waiting. from there, they were ushered into vans with heavily tinted window and driven to their cars under police escort. we also got some colorful details about the case's biggest witnesses, from rudy giuliani to lindsey graham. let's bring in shan woo, former federal prosecutor. let's start with this, the juror, can't talk details, of testimony, but i was struck by a revelation about an unnamed witness. here's what they said. at least one person who resisted answering questions became much more cooperative when prosecutors offered him immunity in front of the jurors. how often does that happen? >> it is very unusual, chris to have the immunity offered on the

spot like that. normally that would be arranged ahead of time. it is possible that maybe it appeared that it was spontaneous to the grand jurors, but perhaps there was discussion ahead of time. if they sort of like dropped it on that witness at that moment, that would be unusual because it is a pretty heavy lift to decide to grant someone immunity. i have no doubt that the offering of immunity would tend to open the lips of some recalcitrant witnesses because that's the protection you're hoping to have and if they give you immunity, you no longer would have a fifth amendment privilege against self-incrimination. the immunity would destroy the ability to use that privilege. >> we don't know the specifics, but it was enough that this grand juror noted it. right. so obviously it was a dramatic moment. what is usually the bar, especially in a case like this, for offering someone immunity? >> it is a pretty hefty high set

bar, usually as a prosecutor, you want to have what is called a proffer with a defense counsel where they are going to lay out for you what the likely testimony would be, and to show how valuable it is so that the prosecutors are comfortable giving that witness immunity. the worry, of course, for the prosecutors, you give somebody immunity and it turns out they really have done a lot of wrongdoing that you're not aware of. and now you're kind of stuck with this immunized deal, which is not only unjust, but can greatly hurt the case because other people who may be charged may say, look, that person was the real bad actor, not me, and you gave them immunity. it is a very careful decision they have to weigh before they do that. >> so the juror also shared some thoughts on key witnesses. again, she couldn't talk about what they said, but she said rudy giuliani was funny and invoked privilege to avoidancer answering many questions.

and she described georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger as a really geeky kind of funny. how much are jurors in your experience influenced by either famous face oz or just the personalities of people who are on the witness stand? >> i think they are influenced by that a great deal. sometimes a grand jury might even choose to decline to indict somebody if that person, the target has appeared and made a good impression. it is rarely done because it is a big gamble obviously to expose that witness to that sort of sworn testimony because they could create further problems for themselves. with these particular folks, i thought what was really interesting was graham being a good politician, folksy with them after putting up a big legal fight, the sheer amount of privilege issues this grand jury had to deal with is pretty

unusual. but it does reflect the normal process to assert a privilege where you go question by question, rather than using a broad shield where i don't even have to show up. you have to show up and take it question by question. >> shan woo, thank you so much. embattled congressman george santos calls himself a terrible liar. but does that even matter to gop leadership? the son of a prominent south carolina attorney accused of killing two members of his family takes the stand to testify. what he says about the nights of the murders. that's coming up in the next hour of "chris jansing reports." stay with us. e next hour of "chris jansing reports." stay with us a private 5g networ. so you can do more than connect your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. (foreman) nice work. (vo) and retailers can get ahead of the fashion trend of the day with a new line tomorrow. with a verizon private 5g network, you can get more agility and security.

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i ran in 2020 for the same exact seat for congress and i got away with it then and i guess -- >> that's honest. >> stupid. >> so you thought actually they're not going to find out. >> no, i didn't think so. >> let's talk an it with elise jordan, former aide to george w. but, and white house and state department and now an msnbc political analyst. so he got away with it and you can make the argument that at least with kevin mccarthy, he seems to be correct. does none of this matter to the gop leadership? >> chris, kevin mccarthy wants to keep his five votes and he can't afford to lose one of those five votes. george santos helps get him to 218. then that's what it is at the end of the day. he has to watch his republican votes and with such a thin margin, he is going to look away from george santos and let

justice roll its course. by so many different entities though right now, chris. like, this isn't tenable for the long-term. >> but would you think or maybe it's happened and he's justnot listening. that mccarthy or someone in republican leadership might say to him, look, we're not getting rid of you, but you've got to stop talking about this all the time. keep your head down. do the work. >> do you think that someone who has lied the way that george santos has lied is actually going to be willing to not draw attention to himself? it's almost as if he somewhat enjoys the scandal that surrounds him. going and doing an interview like that and putting himself up for interrogation when he knows that he has told so many lies. it really is just incredible and he needs to get help if not in

prison. >> he says he doesn't like the attention. but he also said that if he had to do it again, he wouldn't run again but he hasn't made a decision about whether he actually will run again. it does get a little hard to follow. >> for now, he's in a good position. he's making six figures in a legal way. he has all of the benefits of having a seat in congress. he has a large staff. he has some nice perks. why wouldn't he just wait it out? he probably is less exposed even almost when he's in office. but these investigations, the sec filing, it's just a disaster. he had so many expenditures just under $200, which you don't have to provide receipts for. there's just so much there there you wonder when is it going to

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at united just as spring break travel season is ready to take off. we get the money saving details from nbc news correspondent from tom costello. >> reporter: it's a travel hassle familiar to any family traveling with kids. either shell out the extra cash for seat selections up front or try to wing it at the gate. now united airlines is rolling out a new seating policy to make the skies a bit friendlier. allowing accompanying parents and adults to sit next to children younger than 12 without paying extra. that's a big deal for parents like nathan and his family of four. >> it takes away one of the most stressful parts of flying, which is you know, what am i going to do with my kids on the flight. >> reporter: along with the ticketing policy, united says it's unveiling new technology that would open up more seats to automatically keep younger children next to an adult in their party. giving access to regular economy seats and preferred seats if

needed. no extra fee. >> it's not uncommon to see seat selection as much as 50, 60, or $70 per person. and so if you're talking about a family of four, that can run well over $200 just to reserve your specific seat. >> reporter: it will be available to families purchasing regular or economy tickets, which have more restrictions. the move comes as regulators, lawmakers, and the white house, have taken sharp aim at so-called junk fees that airlines charge. >> we'll prohibit airlines charging $50 round trip for a family just to sit together. baggage fees are bad enough. >> reporter: the airline industry says carriers try to seat families together often at the gate, but families sometimes buy seats together that cost more. experts say united's new boarding tool should remove some of the boarding stress for families. >> it's going to be better for

airline gate agents who don't have to try to play musical chairs. >> tom, thank you for that report. and we've got a lot to cover in our second hour of chris jansing reports. let's get right to it. tough talk. president biden in poland says ukraine will never be a victory for russia ahead of the first anniversary of the war. watching wall street and your wallet. stocks are tumbling this hour on new worries about inflation that won't seem to go away. and at the supreme court, arguments in a case that could change the internet and social media as we know it. we're also in jimmy carter's georgia hometown where there's an overwhelming show of support for our 39th president and his family after his decision to start receiving home hospice care. our reporters are here to cover all of the latest developments. let's s