good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. more inside information on the fulton county, georgia, grand jury investigation looking into possible election interference by donald trump and his allies. in her first television interview, the grand jury forewoman talks to nbc news about what happened behind the scenes and whether that list of recommended indictments includes the former president. bracing for a major winter wallop, 42 million people from california to maine under winter weather alerts. we're talking brutally cold temperatures, snow storms and blizzards. we'll get a live report from minneapolis where they could see the largest snow totals in more than a decade. and is there a plan b?

new reporting on the hush, hush planning by democrats just in case president biden decides not to seek a second term. but first, we begin with that rare look inside the inner workings of the georgia special grand jury investigation. the forewoman, emily kors sharing a lot of insights and facts with our blayne alexander. some names will be recognizable to many, others may not be. she wouldn't confirm whether the list includes former presidents, but says potentially it might. she says about 12 people were granted immunity for their testimony. we're also learning for the first time that former trump chief of staff mark meadows appeared before the panel, but she says he didn't share much. these new developments after fox's tucker carlson confirmed that speaker kevin mccarthy gave

him 41,000 hours of capitol surveillance footage. nbc's blayne alexander is in atlanta with more of her interview. nbc's ali vitali is on capitol hill with reaction, and we're also joined by tim miller, writer at large for the bulwark, and former communications director for jeb bush's 2016 campaign. blayne, i want to start with your amaing and informative interview. tell us more. >> yeah, this was certainly a fascinating conversation, chris. we talked for about 45 minutes. this was a very wide-ranging interview. a couple of things about emily, she's somebody who told me she didn't vote in the 2016 or 2020 elections. she volunteered to be foreperson and seemed to have a very -- an equal sense of duty about this, but also to be very excited by different things including meeting some of the more high profile witnesses who came before the grand jury, but as for the facts of this, i asked her certainly about the

recommendations of indictments that were made. she would not give me specific names, but here is what she did have to say to me. take a look. >> there definitely are some names you expect. >> did the grand jury recommend an indictment of former president trump? >> i'm not going to speak on exact indictments. i would not expect you to be too shocked, no. >> and that includes of the former president potentially? >> potentially it might. >> one of the big questions that i asked her, chris, is why are you speaking out about this? that was actually how i opened the interview. why are you speaking publicly? a couple of things she said. she said that she really wanted to kind of help control the flow of information, the stream of information. she says she believes it was going to get out anyway and she'd rather have at least some sort of say as to how it gets out rather than sitting back and

watching people talk about her. she said she was not concerned about threats, knowing this is a very polarizing situation. obviously that was not enough to stop her. she said she did not have a concern about receiving threats after speaking out like this, chris. >> so much there. after parts of that grand jury report were released, trump declared total exoneration on twitter. here's what the atlanta constitution writes, which picks up on the sound. when ajc reporters on tuesday told cors about trump's reaction, she rolled her eyes and burst out of laughing. did he really say that? she asked, that's fantastic, that's phenomenonphenomenonal. tim, do we dare read into that? >> it sure seems to me like someone who is speaking on an

indictment of the former president. i hope there is an indictment. people are being held for the january election. hopefully the district attorney in georgia does the right thing. putting on my former pr representative hat, i don't know if it's really helping the case for the forewoman to be out there giving all of these interviews. i guess i understand the motivation of wanting to control the information, but you already see on conservative media this morning, if you're watching that, you know, she is being lambasted. she's being, you know, criticized. it's being made about her and her performance and her looks and other misogynistics elements. and i just don't know how much that helps the cause here and i think the district attorney in fulton county has done really a wonderful job and i'm hopeful that she goes forward and does the right thing and we can make this case about the merits of it. >> i wonder if you're hearing anything, blayne, about whether or not this complicates fani

willis's very consequential decision. i mean, it was 29 days ago i had one of our producers check that she first said that possible indictments were imminent. what more do we know about all of this? >> yeah. well, chris i have reached out to the d.a.'s office to see if they have any comment, any feedback on the fact that the foreperson is speaking out. we've not heard back from them on that. what's interesting about our interview and our conversation, she very clearly appeared to be walking a fine line. she wanted to talk, she wanted to give information. but throughout our conversation it was clear that she wanted to respect the judge's ruling, which is that deliberations have to remain under wraps. that's something that the judge rules when deciding whether or not to release parts of the report. it was clear she wanted to respect that. we kind of saw her in some cases hesitate, in some cases give answers and say that goes into deliberations. i'm not going to touch on that. certainly i talked to some legal experts about this and heard others weigh in on this, and some would say that, yes, even

though she kind of follows that specifically that some of the other things that did come out that may not have crossed that specific line may have future implications, chris. >> there's another big story that's out there, ali, because while all this was going on on capitol hill, kevin mccarthy apparently and tucker carlson says it did happen, gave him massive amounts of footage from january 6th. it's getting some pushback. what are you hearing? >>. >> reporter: yeah, chris, we're trying to get this footage ourselves, but what trucker carlson confirmed is that they now have over 40,000 hours of footage from the capitol police regarding january 6th, and you're right to have pointed this out in the introduction to the show. tucker carlson, of course, someone who has regularly and routinely down played what happened during the insurrection and the days leading up to it as well and certainly in the aftermath of it, but there's concern here not just on a partisan basis. certainly democrats have concerns right now and former

january 6th committee chairman bennie thompson is actually speaking about that with his democratic colleagues on a call that was already scheduled today talking about the ways that the january 6th committee when they accessed this information were much more careful and deliberate in terms of who even had access to it. they were really into the idea of a chain of custody. there was a lot of coordination with the capitol police, when it actually came down to what footage they were going to show during the committee hearings. there were a limit number of people on the committee who actually could view this footage. a lot of concern around security, and just kind of making sure that everyone was looped in during that process, as the committee accessed it. clearly now that's not what's happening with tucker carlson's show. of course capitol police didn't provide this directly to carlson. they made that clear to us as well saying when congress asks for something, they give it to congress. and in this case congress is speaker mccarthy and mccarthy gave it to carlson's show, and so they have no control over that footage now. it will be out there and we'll

see the way in which it's used. carlson has said they're kind of spending the week with it. obviously it's thousands of hours of footage. it's going to take a while to go through. when you see it come out, ultimately we'll see the way that carlson present it is, but look, it is a moment where you're going to start seeing the right try to politicize january 6th well after the date of it, but b, the committee's work over the last year and a half. >> yeah, tim, i mean, some people were saying, why is speaker mccarthy putting his hand on a hot stove, and "axios" framed it this way. i'm going to quote them. house speaker kevin mccarthy has made an audacious bet by reopening the debate over january 6th, thrilling the gop's right wing base but horrifying moderates who see the insurrection as a political albatross. let me take the question one step further and tie our first story to the second story. if you have the potential for the former president or even many of his associates and former associates to get indicted, this gets you ahead of

it with the narrative about what january 6th was or wasn't. what do you make of kevin mccarthy's decision? >> look, i understand it from the tucker carlson perspective, right? from the donald trump perspective, they would have muddied the water about january 6th as much as possible. you have 41,000 hours of video, i'm sure you can find, you know, dozens of hours of video of people kind of looking silly and making the insurrection, you know, minimizing it, not showing the attacks on the police. kind of showing the idiots wandering through the halls, right? there are ways to paint this, you know, using that much footage in a way that makes it look differently. the kevin mccarthy question is much more interesting, why is he doing this? i think it's a caucus management thing. we were together just a month ago when kevin mccarthy had to go to umpteenth ballots in order to get elected speaker. the threats. not from the moderates in the caucus but from the right. he's trying to appease his right flank by doing this. i think broadly it's a big political mistake.

and in politics you want to fight on good turf for you. the republicans, the merits of immigration investigations, immigration politics play well for republicans, you know, investigaing the department of homeland security would at least make political sense, even if the way they went about it wasn't exactly appropriate. investigating january 6th is a big loser. that puts us in the news. we're talking about this right now. other people will continue to talk about it when tucker puts out the video. it's as if they didn't learn anything from 2022 when the candidates who most wanted to relitigate the 2020 election did the worst. i think it's a bad political move for mccarthy in that sensuous but he's doing it as part of caucus management. >> tim miller you're going to stay with me. i want to say we are going to have much more on the legal impact of these revelations from inside the grand jury's deliberations when harry litman

joins me. another huge story we're following, weather conditions that are brutal across the rockies, the plains, and the midwest right now and only getting worse. this is what you would see if you were on the road in south dakota right now, just horrific whiteout conditions. one of at least 27 states under a weather advisory with the national weather service warning of an historic cross country winter storm that might make travel in some places potentially impossible. in minneapolis, the state patrol colonel says this is not the tame to tempt fate. in other words, stay off the roads. that's where we find nbc's niala charles who, well, if i can say i'm cold just looking a the you, i can only imagine how cold you are. tell us what the forecast is and how cold is it? >> reporter: well, luckily i have a lot of layers on here, chris, so that helps me in this 17 degree weather, but for the minnesotans that live here, they say they don't need all of that.

if you ask them, they're born ready. take a look at the conditions. you can see the roads, most of them in the state are completely covered. that's despite the snowplow workers working 1 hour shifts to get this out of the way. right now we have a slight break in the snow after several inches of snow came overnight, about a foot is expected later today and what officials don't want people to do is take this for granted, go out and then get stuck later. but like i mentioned, the minnesota mentality a little different. so look, this is pretty bad for both you and i, chris, but for the people who live here, they've been taking walks all day. also running, and a lot less of what i have on, just like tennis shoes, leggings and a sweatshirt. so listen to ryan, i spoke to him, he lives near here, and for him it's just another wednesday. >> you don't even have any gloves on. you don't have half the layers i have on, how do you do it? >> well, snow is one thing, but cold i guess is the other thing,

so it's not that bad. >> it's 17 degrees. >> it's in the teens. i'm not planning on being outside long, so if i was i'd have some cute ear muffs like you did. >> reporter: so minnesotans that we spoke to not too worried about it, but that's the mentality that officials are against because if this does reach historic levels, that's going to be dangerous. if people get stuck in the negative windchills that are expected, then that could be potentially dangerous. what officials are telling people is not to go out unless they have to, only in the cases of emergencies. the governor even issued executive orders. it has the national guard on standby here in case they need to make rescues for the people that are stranded. chris. >> i hope you have a car or a building where you can go in and get warm. niala, seriously, thank you, we appreciate it. well, no rest for the weary. the major diplomatic challenges for president biden as he heads

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air right now and he'll arrive back from eastern europe to a washington where the reviews on his three-day diplomatic push urging allies support for ukraine have been largely positive, but his comments before leaving poland reveal the stakes and challenges still ahead. here he is talking to leaders of nato nations that are closest to the war zone. >> today as we approach the one-year anniversary of russia's invasion, it's even more important that we continue to stand together. article 5 is a sacred commitment the united states has made. we will defend literally every inch of nato, every inch of nato. >> this show of strength coming as vladimir putin rallies support for the war effort at home. thousands in a stadium today waving flags and chanting russia, russia. earlier today, putin also hosted china's top diplomat, the strongest signal yet of their deepening ties. nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons is

following all of it from moscow for us. so look, the u.s. we know has accused china of giving russia non-lethal military aid, of considering sending more weapons, beijing denies both. but this meeting today and some reports that xi may actually be planning a meeting with vladimir putin, what does that tell us about this relationship and where it's going, keir? >> well, you know, chris, i thought the meeting today between china's top diplomat and president putin was the most interesting thing today, much more interesting than that rally with president putin. of course there was the messaging that the relationship between china and russia is strong, but something that china's top diplomat said i thought was fascinating in that meeting. he said that from crisis comes opportunity. now, as american tries to understand what china is doing, think of it this way. manage yourself as that chinese diplomat in that meeting. what china wants to do, it wants

to try to keep president putin in power, and the presidents to keep russia together but it doesn't mind if russia gets weaker and president putin gets weaker because that just makes china stronger in its relationship with russia. equally, it doesn't mind if the conflict continues and america and europe get weaker continuing to pour military equipment into ukraine, but it doesn't want it to escalate to the point of being -- really rocking the world. china at the same time wants to try to sustain its economic relationship with europe and with america. so what does china do with all of those ambitions? it does exactly what it's doing right now and what that diplomat was doing, it's talking about trying to see if it can negotiate some kind of a peace deal. another thing i thought was fascinating was that president putin again and again in that meeting talked about that president xi will come here, but the date for that meeting hasn't been set, and it has actually

been talked about for some months. what does that tell us? i suspect that president xi will be hoping to come to russia with something to show. he may not want to come here and show that that relationship with china and russia is strong, potentially making it more difficult with europe, that crucial economic partner with china, and also with that crucial economic relationship, that trade relationship with america despite all the rhetoric between america and china. to put it simply, china is walking a very difficult, diplomatic line. there is all that rhetoric about the strength of the relationship between the two countries, there's a lot more going on beneath the surface. in washington, they'll be looking at that closely, than trying to figure out the best approach for the u.s. diplomatically seeing that relationship between these two countries. >> all of that punctuating what a really key and complicated time this is, keir simmons, thank you as always for your reporting there. i want to bring in jonathan

lemire, msnbc political analyst and "politico's" white house bureau chief. let me first do some background here. there was a group of house republicans who after biden left ukraine met with president zelenskyy in kyiv, and they promised continuing support, but back at home, speaker mccarthy has vowed there are no blank checks for ukraine. talk about the challenges the president faces back here at home when he arrives to keep that support going. >> president biden wheels up from warsaw just a short time ago. it was a pretty triumphant visit to eastern europe, of course the surprise trip to kyiv and that show of solidarity with president zelenskyy, and then yesterday the full-throated defense of the alliances and the vow to stand up to putin, whatever it takes, for how long it takes, that he delivered in poland, and a few more meetings today before heading back to washington. you were right, there's still a lot of hard work ahead. they did secure the administration, a lot of new funding for ukraine at the end of last year in a lame duck session of the last fully

democratic controlled congress. now, of course the house is run by republicans narrowly, though, and there are some loud voices, minority, but loud voices to be sure, the marjorie taylor greenes of the world who think that u.s. aid to ukraine should either stop entirely, at least be dramatically scaled back. now, to this point republicans writ large still support the effort and that trip yesterday as evidenced as is the comments from senate minority leader mitch mcconnell who's made very clear that ukraine needs to be funded. there's a looming fight here, months from now, and that funding from last year runs out, there will undoubtedly be a clash and even administration officials tell me, chris, they anticipate that it will be harder to get money to ukraine going forward. they don't think the funnel will shut off completely. they do think it will be slower and less of it. >> and jonathan, you also have some pretty compelling new reporting in "politico" on president biden's decision ors i guess from some people's perspective indecision about running for re-election.

take us behind the scenes. what's going on with the president, his decision, and democrats who maybe are thinking, well, if he doesn't get in i will. >> yeah, now, the president has said that he intends to run. >> repeatedly. >> are operating that he will, but he has not officially declared his candidacy yet. now, look, there are reasons to delay. first of all, he's occupied with other matters like this trip to ukraine as well as their campaign finances reasons why it would make sense to officially announce come march or april, but aides have indicated to us that he had telegraphed he might announce his candidacy, that has not happened. they're now looking at perhaps april. most democrats we spoke to for the piece believe that president biden will indeed run again, but he is famously indecisive. he's also famously slow moving when it comes to major decisions, a habit born of the senate, the world's most famous deliberative body. and just in case, that void here, that void, the silence

from biden has left a void, i should say that some democrats are starting to ask questions like is there a chance that biden won't run. and a few in his own party are taking steps to be ready just in case he doesn't. california governor newsom, illinois governor pritzker, a few senators including klobuchar of minnesota have all quietly laid some ground work for possible presidential candidacies, were biden not to run. which goes to show you the field wouldn't clear for vice president harris in the case of president biden opting against seeking a second term. the most likely outcome, he will. but as he waits some in his party have begun to wonder. >> so interesting, great stuff, thank you, jonathan lemire, always great to have you. prosecutors in the club q shooting are required to come up with a motive. the new evidence we're expecting from it next. from it next boost your team's productivity with samsung's fastest processor yet.

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today for a key three-day hearing. nbc's maura barrett is covering this story for us. take us inside the courtroom and are we any closer to understanding a motive for this shooting right now? >> reporter: well, chris, testimony is ongoing as we speak. remember, the suspect facing charges including first degree murder, assault, and bias motivated crimes or hate crimes. what we've heard so far is both from the police officer, the first police officer who entered club q at the time of the shooting and one of the detectives who's been investigating the crime. we've seen several images from the surveillance video inside as well as photos that detectives have taken from inside club q, we're not at this time able to rebroadcast those images. what we're able to see is pictures of shell casings littered across club q, a lot of details of what they found in terms of the firearms that the suspect allegedly brought in to the club when he entered for the shooting, as well as images of

the bodies of some of the victims. as you can imagine, a lot of gasps and tears from members inside the courtroom as well as what appeared to be the suspect themselves visibly shaking. members of the defense team handing them a tissue at one point. it wasn't clear whether or not they were crying. we also heard from the detective who's investigating the crime more broadly, and he detailed what they found inside aldridge's apartment. they said that they found several shooting targets that had bullet holes through them. one of them had an image of a silhouette of a person with rainbow flags, stripes around that. they also found other parts of firearms, parts that are used to assemble ar style rifles as well as some other shooting targets found in his mother's room, and so the point of this preliminary hearing is to see whether or not there is enough evidence to go to trial. again, we expect this to last about three days through the end of the week, and at that point the judge can decide whether or not to dismiss some charges or to move forward with the case as is.

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that also left more than 100 people wounded and reduced a building to rubble. it's one of the bloodiest days of the last year in the occupied west bank, and east jerusalem as tensions continue to rise. joining me now from london nbc news correspondent molly hunter. molly, what more can you tell us about this raid? >> reporter: chris, good to be with you, you've already laid out why this is so different, why this is so important. more than 100 civilians, that is a huge number we saw in nablus today. i'll walk you through what we gnaw from the health ministry. around 10:00 a.m. this morning in a rare daytime raid as you mentioned in your introduction, dozens of armored vehicles stormed into nablus. it's north of jerusalem, south of janine. 120,000 people live there. they stormed into the old city at 10:00 a.m., chris. lots of civilians would have been around. there's a market there. lots of people would have been out, and lots of people live there. the israeli military says in a

statement they were targeting known militants, some of them had been involved in a shooting of an israeli soldier last year. now, once they got to the house where they say the militants were hiding out, there was a shootout. israeli troops say -- the israeli military, excuse me, they shot -- neutralized is the word they used, the death toll is ten. as you mentioned, more than 100 civilians, 100 palestinian civilians were injured and more than 80, according to the palestinian health ministry were injured with live ammunition. we have not seen this number of casualties in the occupied west bank since the second, as far as what's next, all eyes are on gaza and whether hamas or the islamic jihad will respond. hamas says their patience is running out and the islamic jihad promises retaliation. president trump this hour set to tour the site of the train derailment debacle in

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at this hour, the politics surrounding the toxic train derailment in east palestine, ohio, has escalated so high, even donald trump is planning to make an appearance. just moments ago, the former president did land in ohio to tour the site of that massive train derailment. the visit coming as a major grocery chain this the state giant eagle stopped selling bottled water that was manufactured at a plant about 25 miles away from the scene, even though tests came up clear. and criminal charges could be coming. pennsylvania's governor pursuing a criminal referral in the case. he credits the epa with forcing the rail company to pay for the cleanup. >> the norfolk southern wasn't going to do this out of the goodness of their own heart. there's not a lot of goodness in there. they needed to be compelled to act, and that's exactly what administrator regan and the federal government combined with the authorities in ohio and pennsylvania are taking steps to

do, and that is to hold them accountable. >> and just a short time ago, we learned that secretary of transportation pete buttigieg will make his way to east palestine tomorrow. nbc's jesse kirsch is on the ground there. jesse, a busy day there. it's going to be a busy day tomorrow, but busy today between donald trump and that criminal referral. tell us little bit about what's happening on the ground. >> reporter: yeah, and chris, there's even more news that's coming in just a short time ago. we now know that the ntsb, which is investigating the cause of the train derailment, will be releasing its preliminary report tomorrow. we're expecting that sometime after 10:00 a.m. eastern tame, so hopefully some answers to the myriad questions in this community right now. people continue to have health concerns. you mentioned that criminal referral from the pennsylvania governor's office. we expect potentially there could be something similar coming from across the border in ohio. state officials in ohio also talking about this being looked

at, being investigated. lots of unanswered questions here. for the railroad's part, the ceo of norfolk southern in an interview with cnbc stressing that they are working with government officials, will be taking care of cleanup, and also making clear that the railroad is not planning to pack up and leave town tomorrow. they say that they are here to try to make a difference and positive difference in this community and help them, already pointing to the fact that the railroad says it has reimbursed or committed $6.5 million already to the efforts here. but just a short time ago, minutes ago, chris, i just spoke with a priest who says he's bringing a lot of water, bottled water to a church nearby for people, and that speaks to the fact that there is still this demand for water apparently here, even though officials have said that the municipal tap water is safe to drink even though officials say that private well water testing continues, so people who are waiting for testing results from private well water are being recommended to continue to drink bottled water. so this is the kind of messaging

that is out there. people wondering if this is a safe place to be and also a place that can continue to be a place to make a li a livelihood. a man earlier told our team he is in the middle of building a facility here and isn't sure if people are going to use it for business presumably because he doesn't know if people are going to be comfortable here, it seems in the aftermath of what has unfolded. lots of unanswered questions. hopefully some answers in the hours ahead. as you mentioned, former president donald trump is on the ground in ohio, and tomorrow the biden administration sends another top figure here, we're going to have transportation secretary pete buttigieg making his first visit to this community, which is clearly in the middle of something that is not going away anytime soon, chris. >> that's for sure. i think you should settle in, jesse kirsch, thank you so much for that update. donald trump's appearance in battleground, ohio, has some gop officials wondering why he hasn't paid a visit to the first state on the calendar. iowa.

the 2024 caucus train is already starting to roll. nikki haley and mike pence have been there, senator tim scott is set to speak there in just a little more than an hour. as the "associated press" puts it, in the three months since he announced his bid for a comeback, trump has not set foot in iowa. the first place his claim of party dominance will be tested early next year. yamiche alcindor is in des moines, ahead of senator scott's appearance and tim miller is back as well. lots of action in iowa from 2024 republican hopefuls, but not donald trump. so what's happening there, and any sign that he's even started to organize in the state? >> well, good afternoon, chris, i've been spending my time here at a diner tim scott's going to be there today. nikki haley who's an official

contender in this race. they have all been here, former president donald trump, the person who's presumably the favorite in the race leads for now. he has not been here. he has already started hiring staff members. that being said, i have been talking to voters who say they're a bit worried but the future of the republican party, some of them saying trump at the top of the ticket might hurt the party in the general election. take a listen. >> it worries me how the republican party has shifted so much to the right. >> we need to start working together instead of splitting the party and some of them going to the democratic party. >> i would like to see it move back to the center and some of those on the fringe tend to be moved away from the party, lauren boebert. those type. >> so there you have it, voters really sounding off about what they think about the upcoming gop presidential nomination. i should say that tim scott is

going to be speaking in a couple of hours. he's going on a faith tour at drake university. he's going to be talking about abortion, and. he's opposed to to abortion rights, he's the son of a working class mother who chose life. tim scott has been doing a number of other things, including leaning in on border security. america isn't a racist country and we should be focused on that. going after democrats in the key culture war issues. >> tim, you know iowa, you spent a little time in iowa, i'm guessing. look, we know this. voters are akus -- he likes the

big rallies. so important is iowa to him? he did lose the caucus before, but i also wonder if his old play book is going to work this time around. >> i think iowa is a tough one for former president trump, as you said, he lost to ted cruz last time. you have a highly evangelical base there out in western iowa in particular. it's kind of the strength of where the party is. might be the ted cruz voters from last time turn to someone like a ron desantis possibly, and you know, like you said, these caucuses are very different than getting people to a primary, getting people out on a cold night in iowa. it's not the core donald trump base. the core donald trump base is the working class voters. and that's why he's going there. i think if you're donald trump and your running this campaign, trying to think about a strategy, you have to think about, man, do we down play iowa, do we focus more on the

new hampshire and south carolina and some of these upper midwest states and trump on tuesday. that's how donald trump won last time by bringing new people in. bringing working class in. not your traditional republican activist types who might be a little more attuned to a more traditional candidate, you know, like one of the other ones in the race. i think that iowa is a big conundrum for him right now. i think that's why you see him going to east palestine, and iowa is more of a wait and see type game. >> tim miller, yamiche alcindor, thank you very much. 50 years in the making, how love of the ski slopes is helping to break down winter sports stereotypes. we've got that great story next. . your business needs on the 5g network it deserves. boost your team's productivity with samsung's fastest processor yet. switch and save up to $1000 on the new galaxy s23 ultra. now that's epic. on the network america relies on.

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. now to a 50-year-old quest that's resulted in extraordinary success with a national summit for black skiers, expanding access to winter sports and fostering olympic dreams. nbc correspondent steve patterson has the story. >> watching a troop of talented young skier, shred up the trail. realizing they're all black is a vision. this is still a rare sight. the national ski areas association said 89% of visitors to u.s. ski areas identify as white a problem ben finley and art clay set out to solve half a

century ago, starting the national brotherhood of skiers to advocate for greater representation in winter sports and dispel the idea that black people don't ski. >> we are skiers who happen to be black. people sometimes get us confused, you're black people who happen to ski. no, we are skiers who happen to be black. >> reporter: every year they bring thousands of black skiers together. >> what we try to do was make it all a party, you know, just hey, while we're out here partying, why don't you try some of these skies, and it worked. . >> it's a brotherhood, sister hood. it's all good. >> reporter: groups from denver to detroit. >> it's wonderful. we love it. >> reporter: even as far away as london. >> we ski. we ski hard. >> reporter: their goals are growing. they hope to see black athletes on olympic podiums. 20-year-old free style skier, keegan seple is the dream. what's it like to fly through

the air like that? it looks crazy. >> it's the most freedom you'll ever feel. >> reporter: he's one of several athletes with u.s. team ambitions and talent. >> i didn't have any role models growing up. >> reporter: now he's surrounded by them, proof that finding serenity on the slope has never been skin deep. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it. >> at this hour, we are keeping a close watching on the monstrous path of what is expected to be an historic winter storm, putting millions of people under advisories. and from freezing snow to dripping sweat, the extreme heat down south. plus, after today's key meeting abroad, the work president biden must now do back home, russia just launched