good to be with you, i'm katy tur. could the east palestine

derailment have been prevented? if so, how? the answer to that question will eventually come from the ntsb, which is currently investigating the crash, but we can and should take a look at the conditions of rail freight across this country and the allegations that across the industry safety is being sacrificed for profit. we spoke with one 40-plus year veteran railroader and certified accident investigator who told us what happened in east palestine was the logical outcome of precision schedules railroading. and that without change it will happen again. we're going to explain what that means in a moment with greg reagan, the president of the transportation trades department of aflcio. it's important to understand the operating conditions because the crash itself is becoming a political football. donald trump is touring the derailment site, and the mayor of east palestine who told us on

this show the other day that he didn't want president biden to visit because the security detail president biden would have around him would be too burdensome is now publicly slamming president biden for visiting ukraine and not east palestine, as if it was one or the other. we've also seen a lot of back and forth in washington. senator marco rubio is going after transportation secretary pete buttigieg and buttigieg is heading back by taking up past rubio votes or at least acknowledgments. we're going to show you those arguments in a moment. we're also going to talk to folks who are caught in the middle of all of this, the mother of two small kids is joining me in just a moment. she says her kids have developed weird rashes and that she is getting headaches. joining me now from east palestine is nbc news correspondent jesse kirsch. as i said, it's becoming a political football. talk to me about what you're hearing on the ground and how they feel about politicians finger pointing?

>> reporter: yeah, so katy, i think there's some skepticism in the community just around if and when and how things will play out here. we're looking at a situation where we're nearly three weeks out from this detailment. as cow mentioned, president biden has not made an appearance here. former president trump is here today. we have seen biden pointing the finger at the trump administration. the biden epa administrator has been here. transportation secretary is coming here tomorrow, and amid all of this, the epa saying that it will make sure that norfolk southern railroad pays for the clean up. in fact, it says that it will be reimbursing the epa for any cleaning that the epa does for homes and businesses in this community. and there's some skepticism from residents. we heard from one resident saying if it's left to the politicians, he thinks there will not be this accountability on the part of the railroad, and amid all of this, we're waiting for the results of a preliminary

investigation by the ntsb. the preliminary findings will be released tomorrow morning as to why this derailment happened. we're waiting for those answers. residents continue to have concerns about their health, the skepticism about the safety in this community, and i want to give you an update on the clean up at this point. according to the ceo of norfolk southern, who did a sit-down interview with cnbc, one of the few interviews we have seen from the ceo, he said they have removed about 450 cubic yards of contaminated soil and secured 1.1 million gallons of contaminated water. amid that, the pennsylvania governor said his office made a criminal referral on this matter, and the ohio governor has hinted out the possibility of legal action by that state as well. so a lot of different sectors of society intersecting in this small community which is dealing with a very challenging and concerning situation, and there

are people here who have questions about what their future will look like. safety aside, will this be a place that they can live, they can have a livelihood because of what happened here and the possible stigma surrounding it. >> a criminal referral is quite a big deal. jesse kirsch, thank you very much. and unions and major rail companies have been at logger heads for years fighting against what workers describe as poor conditions and grueling schedules made worse by an onslaught of labor cuts. one ohio rail worker described his day-to-day almost a year ago. he said we feel stabbed in the back, completely demoralized, fatigue is a chronic issue with almost everyone we know and work with. we even have no chance to even catch our breath. joining me now is the president of the transportation trades department of the afl cio, greg regan thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to start with what i referenced at top, this veteran railroader described as precision scheduled railroading, and said that was a real problem

here. what is that? >> it's really a business operating model that's designed to maximize the profits of the railroad systems. that's pretty much all it is. it's not precise, and not necessarily scheduled. what we have seen from a tangible outcome is 30% of the work force caught in eight years. we have seen record profit was in the industry. >> so record profits and not hiring new employees or paying new employees more, is that what you're saying? >> yeah, just drastic cuts across the crafts and classes in the railroad industry. the result of it is we have people essentially on call 24/7 to do their jobs. they do not have an opportunity to catch their breath. sick leave became an important issue during the bargaining unit. people did not have the opportunity to take their allotted leave. they're expected to be on call all the time. >> when you add more cars to a

train. this train had 150 cars in it, does that affect the safety of how it operates? does it affect its ability to stay on the tracks? >> yeah, it certainly, look, if you add more and more cars to these trains, you're introducing more and more points of potential failure. and that's why it's really alarming that the railroad industry wants to cut back the number of people operating on a train from two, as is the current standard, to one. thankfully, the administration is moving to require two-person trains, but it just shows you where the priorities are from the railroads right now. >> i'm sorry. hold on, are you saying as of now, a train with 150 cars that is carrying hazardous material, vinyl chloride, as a standard only has two people operating it, two for that entire train? >> that's correct. one conductor, one engineer. this train had three people on it because there was a trainee but the standard is two people across the board. >> and they want to cut it down

to one? >> yes. >> all right. i'm wondering, what is the solution here. you've seen, i'm sure, senator rubio, and transportation secretary pete buttigieg are getting into on twitter over who's to blame for this. i'll put the tweets on the screen. rubio is saying to secretary pete that he was mia on the derailment, that he lies to the media claiming his letter calling for track inspections was a letter calling for deregulation. he says he's incompetent. the 2021 letter you signed was obviously drafted by railroad industry lobbyists. it supports waivers that would reduce visual track inspections. now, will you help us toughen rail safety accountability and fines. can you explain what these two men are talking about, what letter? >> there was a letter in 2021, signed by rubio, and 21 other colleagues, republican colleagues, asking the federal railroad administration to issue a waiver from a safety requirement of in-person track

inspections. we were vehemently opposed to these waivers. it is the railroad's tendency these days to try to get individual waivers from safety inspections, whether it be on the track or the cars, and i got to be honest, i think the secretary is right here, the letter reads exactly like the filing that the railroads have centered into the federal railroad administration. >> so is the solution here more federal regulations? >> i think we need to enforce the regulations we have in place. we need to stop having -- playing defense on the waiver requests that the railroads are putting in. i think we should be looking at things like minimum inspection times. i think that the railroad should be participating in the confidential close call reporting system that is in place, but none of the railroads are actually participating in. i think there are a lot of opportunities in addition to crew size and really hiring more people to make the entire system safer, and it's not about, you know, we may not know for a little while what exactly happened on this derailment.

my members have been saying for years now that the safety culture seems to have degraded at the same time that these profit numbers are coming in and we need to take a holistic work, legislatures, railroads and unions about how do we fix this and make it safer. >> politics is at play. a lot of politicians finger pointing, former president donald trump is there today. i had the mayor of east pal palestine a couple of days ago. if he wanted to see president biden take a tour. i'll play you what he told me, and what he has since told another reporter. >> i think if the president came, it would actually just be more harm than good. you know, there's a lot of security details that need to be around him, and, you know, ambulances calling him and stuff, and i think it would be a burden on residents. if he would like to come, i'm

not going to stop him. >> the president being in ukraine, did that surprise you? >> absolutely. that was the biggest slap in the fats face. that tells you he doesn't care. i found that out this morning, in one of the briefings that he was in ukraine, giving millions of dollars to people over there, not to us, and i'm furious. >> and if i'm not mistaken, i believe i spoke to him on the same day we knew the president was in ukraine. if you're one of the residents of east palestine and hearing your mayor say the president's slapping us in the face, who should you really be looking to right now to, one, to solve the issue, and, two, to blame for this derailment? who's the problem? >> i think the real problem is with the railroad itself. let's be clear, it was not the secretary. it wasn't the administration who caused this derailment. something went wrong with the operations of the railroad, and we'll find out what that is, but i really do find the political opportunism to be appalling in this regard, whether it be from

the former president or from senator rubio. these are not new issues, the ones we have been raising about safety. we have been screaming from the mountain top for years about some of the problems we've seen here. and all of a sudden people are paying attention to it, and it's convenient because, you know, now they have a way to make a hit on one of their political opponents. >> i talked to the mayor on friday and biden did not get to ukraine on monday. my bad. it's hard to keep the days straight, and what happened when. greg, thank you very much for coming on and being pretty clear about what's the problem here and what the solutions are. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. and joining me now is east palestine resident, ayla anotiazzi, thank you so much for being here. you sent us photos. you live near the crash site, and you have been staying a few miles away at your parents' house. you sent photos of your kids, you have a 2 and a 4-year-old, and you say they developed rashes after going today care. can you talk to me about what

you have been experience something. >> my oldest, the picture of the hands that you can see she actually developed that rash. she attends the east palestine preschool. i sent her back on the 13th and 14th when she developed that. she has been kept home since then, and we have no longer had any problems. the photo of my other daughter that you see right there, she actually developed that yesterday. we stopped at the house for about 30 minutes total, and that's what she left with was a rash on her face. that was their first time back to the house since the day after the evacuation order was lifted. >> and you have been getting headaches when you go back and try to clean things up. describe that. >> yeah, i go back often. they're actually very very strong headaches. tylenol doesn't touch them. ibuprofen doesn't touch them. the only way i can get them to go away is by leaving and coming back to my parents for a while

or leaving town in general. >> so what sort of answers are you getting when you ask these questions about is it safe, how you explain these rashes, this headache, what are you being told? >> it depends on who you ask, honestly. if you're asking people that are working in the area between the rail companies, professionals or outside professionals, you hear, oh, you're safe, you're okay. go home. one day they told us the water is not safe, and the very next day they're telling us it is safe. you've got people from outside the situation saying absolutely not, nothing about this is safe. they need to be taking better care of this problem. >> what are you going to do? what's your next move if you're not getting the answers you nood need to feel good? >> my husband and i are considering moving. we have been discussing it, and we feel that not getting the straightforward answers are the

scariest part of all of it. we don't know what to expect. we don't know what long-term effects are going to be. it just doesn't feel like a safe environment at the moment. >> are you getting the support you need to make that decision to move? i mean, the rail company has said it's giving a thousand dollars as an inconvenience fee, is that enough to help you? >> not to up and pack up and move our lives. at this point, we don't even know what areas are safe to move to in the surrounding areas due to the chemicals getting into the waterways. and traveling to other cities where they're having problems. it feels like the whole area in itself, all of the county and then some just don't feel safe. >> what sort of change do you want to see from the federal government about this? >> i want straightforward answers. i would like for each company, each area with the epa and the government and the rail company to all have the same answers,

not one thing here, one thing there, and another thing over here. we just -- we want to feel safe, and for that to happen, we're going to need the same answer from every organization involved in this. >> complete understandable, of course you want to feel safe, you want to make sure your young kids are safe, and a straightforward answer would certainly be best. ayla, thank you very much for joining us, and we wish you good luck. >> thank you. and still ahead, more from the forewoman in the georgia grand jury investigation about potential indictments. what she said that could make the case harder to prosecute. plus, an ally of the former president with ties to the fake elector scheme is one step closer to getting a seat on wisconsin's supreme court. results from the election we previewed yesterday are in. we will lay them out. and big tech is back in the supreme court today, this time it's twitter, accused of aiding in terror attacks, what was said

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there are names you expect. >> did the grand jury recommend an indictment of former president trump? >> i'm not going to speak on exact indictments. i would not expect you to be too shocked. no. >> and that includes of the former president potentially? >> potentially, it might. >> yesterday we led the show with interviews from the forewoman, you saw her on the grand jury. she just gave one to us on camera with nbc news, and correspondent blayne alexander. the forewoman did not name any names, a lot of our legal guests are argue she wasn't exactly vague and that right there could be a problem for the georgia

d.a. joining me now from atlanta is nbc news correspondent blayne alexander. blayne, has fani willis made any mention of this interview? >> reporter: she has not. her office has not. in fact, we reached out to the d.a.'s office to ask them about that very thing today, and a spokesperson said they're declining comment for right now. yes, certainly would be interested in their response to what she told us in her first tv interview and also what she told a number of outlets yesterday about this. it was very interesting during our 45 minute conversation, she really seemed to be kind of trying to walk a line. of course she wanted to talk and give information. she was very clear in that in wanting to sit down with us. she also wanted to respect the judge's ruling in that deliberations must remain private. that's why we saw a couple of answers that you ran just now, different exchanges where she went up to the line but didn't get specifically into deliberations. i did ask her about things made

public in the report that were released last week, chief among them, the grand jury saying they believe they were lied to, believe several people committed perjury. >> what made you and the fellow grand juries believe you were being lied to? >> i remember at least one and probably more than one moment where an answer made me pause because it did not match something that either i had heard previously or something that i had seen. we had documents. we had, you know, piles of things to look through. we had all of our notes, and there was more than once where something made me hesitate because it did not seem to match up. >> reporter: so there was that answer to that question, she also gave insight about some of

the bigger names we know that testified. lindsey graham saying that he was very personalable, and she enjoyed talking to him. rudy giuliani, calling it one of the biggest honors to shake his hand, and she found his testimony truthful. i asked her why speak out, and she talked about the fact that she knew this information, this kind of stream of information in her words was going to come out, and she wanted to be part of that, rather than sitting back and walking people talking about her, she wanted to play a role in getting that out there. >> blayne alexander, thank you very much. let's figure out more of what this could mean. joining us now is msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance, it's an interesting interview. for what she did reveal in her facial expressions and words she chose. she's a person who didn't vote in 2016 or 2020. said she had never heard the brad raffensperger call where donald trump was asking him to find the votes to overturn the

election. talked about how it was an honor to shake rudy giuliani's hand. it's not so easy to pigeon hole her as someone who's antitrump if an indictment ends up coming from him, if that's what the trump team wants to try to do. >> for those of us who are news junkies and who have followed the election and what has happened in the after math of it, this is a little bit of a rude awakening to learn that there are americans out there who don't follow the details in a way that's very good news. it suggests that it will be possible if there are indictments to get a jury that will be objective, that will hear the evidence for the first time in the courtroom, that won't walk in with any sort of bias that would prevent justice from being done. and so while these kind of interviews are something that you never want to see as a prosecutor, i'm sure that fulton county district attorney fani willis is not happy about these developments, ultimately this would have little to do with the

outcome of any charges she may decide to bring. this is the foreperson from the investigative grand jury. willis's decisions are not cabined by any of the recommendations that grand jury may have made. she will make independent decisions about who to indict and what crimes to indict them for, and then it will be a separate grand jury, a regular grand jury that will vote on those charges. so while i'm sure we'll see the former president bring motions and object and say that this taints the process, ultimately this is just a flash in the pan. i don't think this is something that will have lasting consequence for a potential prosecution. >> let me ask you this because this is one thing that unless you're following closely, you might be confused by. a special grand jury versus a regular grand jury. why did fani willis have to call a special grand jury and need the recommendations before she has to take the same information, i guess, to a grand jury. can you sort that out for us? >> sure. this is an unusual nuance of

georgia criminal process, but when you have a more complicated case, a case that requires you to issue, for instance, grand jury subpoenas for witnesses and spend a longer period of time than a regular grand jury might sit to hear from them, here she used this investigative grand jury for something close to ten months, and so that grand jury doesn't have the power to indict anyone, it is purely an investigative tool. the subpoenas are issued and the grand jurors named. that's how the identity of the foreperson had came to light. she signed off on some of the subpoenas. a news agency tracked her down, and that's why we hear her say she wanted to tell her story, rather than have others tell it for her. it's a reminder that grand jurors are people and that like the rest of us, they have a very personal stake when they're involved in events. we'll hear a lot of criticism about her i suspect, but at the end of the day, she was briefed by the judge on what she could and couldn't say.

it sounds like she's tried to heed that line, talking about her personal beliefs, not the grand jury's deliberation. it's of great interest to all of us waiting to hear the outcome of this grand jury, but this is something that happens when you use this sort of an investigative long sitting grand jury to develop evidence that's then presented to a regular grand jury to consider for indictment. >> joyce vance, thank you very much for clearing that up. i know i certainly had a question about that, and i wasn't adequately explaining it to my husband last night, so now i can take this clip and send it and forward it to him as a best explanation. what's happening in israel east west bank, raising the chance of conflict. and spreading terrorist ideologies, what could happen to the internet as we know it if twitter is found liable. interne twitter isou fnd liable. ...will remain radioactive for years to come. well, thank goodness.

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for the second time in two days, the supreme court is hearing oral arguments in a case that could change the internet forever as we know it. today's case, twitter poses an important question before the course. did twitter play a role in the growth of isis. joining me now is nbc news senior legal correspondent, laura jarrett. yesterday in the other argument

before the supreme court about google spreading propaganda for terrorists, allegedly, the justices didn't really seem to be siding with the plaintiff. they seemed to be very skeptical of the argument. did we hear anything more along those lines today? >> reporter: yeah, if i were twitter i would be breathing a sigh of relief this afternoon. the justices poured a whole bunch of cold water on this argument that twitter should be held liable for essentially aiding and abetting an act of terrorism. for our viewers' benefit, a little bit of background is necessary here because the act of terrorism in question is specific. it's a terrorist attack on a nightclub in turkey that happened back in 2017. a jordanian man was killed, along with dozens of others and that man's family brought suit against twitter saying that the social media giant has allowed the growth of isis, used as a recruitment tool for young men who want to join isis, and

twitter knows about that and essentially dropped the ball and not cleaned up the platform. the problem here is there's no evidence, and this is undisputed that the terrorist in question actually used twitter or that he actually planned the attack on twitter or anything actually happened on twitter. this is all sort of a generalized theory, and it's something that obviously twitter has latched on to. the justice seemed focused on twitter is a legitimate business. the purpose is not to radicalize. it's used for legitimate purposes. what would be the line drawing here? how are we supposed to do this when normally it's not used for those purposes, and so the justices raised a whole bunch of hypotheticals, like would you, for instance, hold liable the taxi driver who drove the terrorist to the nightclub, the phone company that provided cell phone service to the terrorist, they were trying to find the limiting principle. >> laura, thank you very much. and joining me is nyu professor of law, former law clerk to judge sotomayor, and legal

analyst, melissa murray. the lower courts struck down the cases repeatedly. why would the supreme court say, yes, they would take it up if they're going to be as skeptical as they so far have been? >> well, i think the court was looking for a limiting principle here, and the case that was heard today is about a more limited procedural question, whether the anti-terrorism act actually shields internet service providers like twitter from liability for aiding and abetting. the broader case that was heard yesterday on section 230 is about the bigger question of whether internet service providers can be held liable under section 230 simply because they are a medium for which other users can share material that may be unlawful or can incentivize. what you saw is a strange coalition of odd bed fellows where individuals who were arguing that conservatives were being silented and people who are arguing that the internet

was becoming accessible are banding together, there needed to be a broader principle for content moderation. the court intervened, hoping to identify a limiting principle, but it doesn't seem they were able to do so. >> section 230 is something a broad specter of people are frustrated with on the right and on the left. people with a lot of differing opinions, my dad has brought a case against i think it was you tube for copy right infringement, saying they're liable for copy right infringement. it never went anywhere. a lot of people have said this is way too broad and there has to be a change in the rules. section 230 was done in the 1990s. it's 2023, things have changed so much. the justices feel there should be something that changes with the rule, they just don't know what yet? >> they definitely think something is different here. as you say, the communications decency act was promulgated well before the rise of algorithms

and the use of algorithms to direct certain content to users who would be amenable to it. again, in some way, the law has not kept pace with the technology and the justices recognize that. i think yesterday's oral arguments made clear that the justices really wonder if they themselves have the institutional competence to make this decision about where the line should be, and justice kavanaugh put the question very squarely to the litigants, isn't it really a question for congress. >> all right. so congress has yet to take it up. i guess my question is if they're going to try to kick it down the road to congress, is there anything that the litigants can do to get the ball rolling there? is it just kind of up to them to decide? >> i want to be really clear. i don't think it's necessarily a question of kicking it down the road. i mean, there may actually be strong concerns that this court filled with justices who are, you know, well above the age of 50, may not necessarily have the expertise to draw the line --

>> didn't sonia sotomayor draw that today? >> she said i'm no expert on technology. there is a live question about institutional competency and about whether or not there is another body in government that is better equipped to draw these lines, and again, congress famously gridlocked, polarized at this moment, maybe they are in a better position with input from both sides to identify a line as opposed to letting this court do it. so what we're really seeing here is this court, perhaps uncharacteristically restrained and unwilling to take a broad step that could take the internet. >> it's a really interesting case, and the implications could be huge, breaking the internet. melissa, thank you very much for being with us. i appreciate it. ten people were killed during a daytime raid by israeli troops according to palestinian officials. the israeli military said in a statement that it entered the city to arrest three wanted militants who they attract to a

home, triggering a fire fight that spilled out into the street. you can see an edited video released by the israeli defense force. according to the palestinian health ministry, more than 100 people were injured in the raid, six are in critical condition. there were no israeli casualties. it is the latest deadly incident in a turbulent start to israel's right wing government under once again benjamin netanyahu. joining me now is nbc news foreign correspondent molly hunter. so molly, it is just the latest in a series of violent incidents. i know there are prominent voices in israel right now who are worried about this escalating into something much bigger and more problematic. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. it's been a very deadly start to this year. more than 60 palestinians have been killed since the beginning of this year, we have a new death toll since i think we wrote your intro recently. 11 palestinians.

you have prominent voices who say this has gone too far. this cannot continue without repercussions. we are seeing more frequent raids. we spoke about the raid in janine a few weeks ago that saw ten palestinian killed in that raid, what is different about this one is that it happened again in broad daylight. it happened in the old city, and when israeli security forces, special forces went into the city, they went in with dozens of armored vehicles. they closed the entrances to the old city. the old city has a big market. there would have been hundreds of civilians, people live right there. on their way to their target, these three militants, and they did kill the three militants, they injured more than a hundred civilians. what's different, and we haven't seen casualty numbers like this in the occupied west bank since the 2nd is that many of them, more than 80 according to the palestinian health ministry were live ammunition injuries.

so taking the last several weeks since the beginning of the year in context, you have a very right wing government. you also have more frequent raids like this. you have a succession crisis in the palestinian government because mahmoud abbas is so weak. you have the rise of these younger militants like we saw killed in today's raid that the israeli military is targeting. and jerusalem, anger is really building because under the national security minister, you are also seeing housing demolitions, expulsions at their highest levels in years, so there are voices on both sides warning that this could lead to an escalation, and almost immediately. >> molly hunter in london. thank you very much. up next, who does iowa want in 2024? republicans are making the rounds. does anyone have a leg up on donald trump, though? first, though, the wisconsin supreme court primary election results are in. who is one step closer to making a big decision on abortion and elections in a key battle ground state. elections in a key battle ground

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what are iowans telling you? they will be the first ones to cast a ballot? it's a key question, what you hear is that they're open to someone that is not donald trump, nikki haley or liz cheney, and the same time, haven't settled on a name that could possibly beat for president donald trump, at drake university, tim scott, the republican senator just finished speaking, leaning into a lot of issues the republicans speak about, culture were issues, america is a land of opportunity, not oppression, democrats were feeding the people the drug of victimhood and causing crime by being soft on crime, and critical race theory and teaching the consequences of slavery, as an african-american man he understands the challenges but he also believes that his very existence as nafta american senator has proved that america is a great country and we

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what he saying about entitlements, are voters telling you that they think entitlements should be marked with?>> it is a key question, voters i've talk to sounds like they don't have their social security and medicare cut, that being said when you hear mike pence say that he does sound like the republican party of the past, before donald trump, you had a lot of republicans, cutting social security and medicare, republican senator rick scott saying maybe it should be sunset as part of other federal legislation after five years, he's now pulled away from that, different lanes and carving out the lanes of the republicans of the past.>> thank you very much, deadline white house starts next. to learn more visit treatted.com. that's treatt-e-d.com.

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