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tonight on the reidout . everyone i talked to is sick and tired and fed up of being bullied. the last thing i ever want to see in america is a civil war. no one wants that, at least everyone i know would never want that, but it's going that direction. >> everyone you know? you want a national divorce? will indulge her twisted fantasy and played out. spoiler alert, it does not and wear well for red state. guess where yours deep state ends up in the custody battle? ron desantis to cuddling conservative. pathetic and frightening. anything that makes conservatives feel uncomfortable should be illegal. things like black history and drug shows. tonight, barbara lee of california who just do that for candidacy joins me on what is

shaping us to be quite a clash of democratic. we begin the reidout with the one thing republicans really hate , 20th century. from sitting back the clock on women's reproductive rights to trying to ban the mere act of learning about black history and the civil rights movement, to zeal for banning books about anything related to the advancement of the last century. books by black authors, authors and any book questioning the rose-colored view of america's path. in fact, it is clear. why they don't want you to read a book, because if you did, you know how the future they want is in return to the frequently very unpleasant history that they don't want you to learn. for example, upton sinclair's the jungle. it exposes appalling conditions in the meat-packing industry in the early industrial area. it portrays how children worked in plants processing rotten or contaminated meat and earning pennies per hour for dozens of

hours a week. sinclair led to federal safety laws, one of the pesky 20th- century regulations republicans love to hate. new child labor laws. setting limits on the minimum age of employment and restrictions on work conditions that are hazardous to safety. another one of those regulations they would love to strip away. in iowa, republican legislators are trying to pass a bill to allow 14-year-olds to work in potentially hazardous industries like mining, logging and meat-packing. the department of labor has already shown what that could look like as one of the largest food sanitation companies in the country with illegally putting migrant children to work. 102 children and is in is 13 years old are working hazardous overnight jobs cleaning slaughter houses in eight states. the children were employed by

the company packers sandra tatian sanitation encourages ink. nbc news spoke to the manager who described the conditions. how does that strike you when he saw someone working so young? >> it makes me sick. he walked through the plant and you can't walk there without getting animal parts on your blood all over you. >> the department of labor finds restaurants in cincinnati, ohio and more than $30,000 per child labor violation. pushing a bill to extend working hours for teenagers with parental permission. ohio republicans called on congress to adapt the same robot. why not return to a world where children are the solution to your labor shortages? the reality is a future with no regulation is the future that republicans want. remember this from donald trump? >> nobody has gotten rid of so many regulations as the trump

administration. 13 resolutions to eliminate intrusive federal regulations, the most ever signed in our history. for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated. regulations are killing our country and jobs. if the opposing party had won the election, you would have had tremendous new rules and regulations put on everything. >> well, he divided do whatever he said he was going to do. killing every role change would have required faster brakes on trains carrying flammable material. ending regular rail safety audits. today, trump visited the scene of the disaster he helped create. visiting the deregulated world called ohio were residents of these palestinian are afraid to wash the clothes, drink the water for shower after the toxic train derailment there.

make no mistake, this deregulation is far preceding donald trump. >> i always felt the nine most terrifying words in the english language are, i am from the government and i'm here to help. >> in the case of east palestine, the government is here to help and outlined by epa administrator michael regan. >> we will not leave this community behind. we are not going to leave this community to manage this aftermath unknown. we are with you. let me be clear. folk southern will pay for cleaning up the mess that they created and the trauma they inflicted on this community. >> it was announced today that transportation secretary will visit on thursday, the same day the safety board releases a pulmonary report on its investigation into the derailment. in the meantime, pennsylvania governor has made

a criminal referral in response to the disaster. ohio governor said his state is preparing to take legal action. joining is robert wright, secretary of labor in the climate ministration and professor of public policy at the university of california at berkeley. it's always good to talk to you. i just want to go through with you, because republicans do constantly say their goals are deregulation. this is what the trump administration did as far as real deregulation. he reversed this obama rule, which would have required braking system upgrades for flammable liquid. they change the safety rules to allow transport of highly flammable liquefied natural gas that ended the regular safety audits i mentioned, suspended pending role requiring freight trains to have two crew members that placed a veteran of the chemical industry in charge of the epa's chemical safety office where she made industry friendly changes to how the agency studied. this is one of 240 significant deregulatory

actions in this. it's a ratio of 2.5 to one. this is the future they want and they got in ohio. >> that is absolutely right. the problem is that the corporations put in a lot of money into campaigns. those lobbyists and the money are designed to get what? tax cuts and regulatory so- called relief. when you are dealing with health , safety and environmental regulations, you are playing with people's lives. if you get rid of those. we see this, whether it's a train derailment or children working in meat-packing plants or wherever you look in america. they corporations who have been relieved, which they use relief. labor regulations are exposing the public. consumers and workers are exposed to more hazards.

these are a direct redistribution of income and wealth from average working people to the biggest investors and billionaires in america. >> this literally happened in ohio. mike dewine, the governor received for his inaugural and many and support. it was a bipartisan effort. point folk southern has been pumping money into the politicians in ohio and fight against additional regulation. this has been the theme across the republican party, which is constantly saying that if you do want deregulation, it will make things cheaper and better for the consumer. they tried to make it sound like a good deal for the consumer, but i just want to show you the map of where norfolk southern goes. it is not just carrying chemical -- hazardous chemical to ohio.

they are in florida, and ecological disaster in terms of the climate crisis. this could derail anywhere and what republicans are saying is, no, you don't want the federal government to regulate it. they need to come and fix it after the chemicals are already in the water. >> is a trickle-down economics. basically, they are saying, let companies make as much money as possible when billionaires who are investing in these companies make huge amounts of money and eventually they will trickle down to everybody else. the reality is that they don't trickle down to everybody else. if you deregulate and get rid of health safety, labor and environmental regulations, you are exposing more people to corporate greed. one of the things that republicans love to do is accuse democrats of being socialists or communists. the real choice is between socialism and capitalism. capitalism requires guardrails.

greed requires some constraints . regulation for the last hundred 50 years is the way we in this country has said to big corporations, make as much money as possible, but protect the public. we ask you and demand that the public be protected. >> during republican administrations, you see things like the epa administrators from the chemical industry. each of these agencies get handed over to somebody who came from the industry and they are the ones were supposedly doing the regulation. even when they are doing some form of federal regulation, it is the bad guys policing themselves. >> that's right. you can't do that. whether it comes in the form of a campaign contributions or a revolving door in which the company needs executives and temporarily overseeing

regulations, it is the same result. the result is the public is sacrificed and public interest is being sacrificed. >> is there ever a time when a state alone on its own could handle something like what we see in east palestine? in the end, this comes down to the federal government is the only one who can actually do the fixing. what you are seeing is that the epa has to come in. the company did some water quality tests. it does feel like the federal government actually has a purpose as much as republicans seem to despise. >> yes, when ronald reagan said 40 years ago, the government is your enemy. don't trust the government. unfortunately, that abuse seeped into american consciousness to the point where we don't really feel that the government is on our side. every time republicans in particular -- democrats share

some of this blame, but every time republicans are in control, they justify that distrust of government, because they do a bad job protecting the public. that is why we got to get into the vicious cycle, reverse it and make sure that the public sector private sector is working for america and making us better off. not just the top executives and the biggest shareholders, but all of us. whether we are buying products, in the communities or these products are being created. whether we are consumers or workers. it doesn't matter. we all need some degree of protection. >> voters have to be smarter, too. when you are voting, you are not voting for a friend or somebody to do means for you, but you are. you are voting for an emergency manager. they manage emergencies. think about what parties think the government can do that.

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of national embarrassment. things are different. she is part of the house majority and a member of the homeland security committees majority. a member who wants to split the homeland apart. >> the last thing i ever want to see in america is a civil war. no one wants that, at least everyone i know would never want that, but it's going that direction and we have to do something about it. >> those comments doubled down on her call for secession. she tweeted, we need a national divorce. we need to separate by red states and blue states and shrink the federal government. everyone i talk to says this. from the sick and disgusting local culture issues shoved down our throats to the trader is him in america. we are done. the risk of taking marj variously is intellectual hazard. let's plan for a hot minute. first of all, the last time

southerners like marj proposed a national divorce was because they were holding 4 million african-americans hostage and they didn't want to let them go. today, half of have been americans to live in the 11 southern states that comprise of the federal sea, so if this happens, they would be trapped in a house gave of a new country with zero healthcare, copy public schools, barely a right to vote and a full return to ownership by someone else of their bodies. this time, it wouldn't just be black women, but all. their leader would be someone like the girl who said, if i were black people today and i want to buy one of those statutes -- confederate flag -- i would be so proud, because look at how far i have come in the country. you are not black. status quo preacher and the tournament. yeah, that is a no. you are not locking our folks in a rubber with you, lady. that doesn't mean america isn't divided, but it is and has been for most of this nation's history. red america and blue america are in many ways two countries. the political strategist

explained, the united states is more like a federative republic of two nations. nation and red nation. it is a geographic and historical reality. that divide is very similar both geographically and culturally to the divide between the union and confederacy. here is where things get interesting. being a pro-confederate red state isn't just bad for the soul, but also bad for the economy. based off of the analysis, the blue nation country with more of the total u.s. gross national product. 46% versus 50%. on its own, the blue nation would be the world's second- largest economy trailing only china. red nation would rank third. if there was a national divorce , what would red america do for industry? given that many of its economies are dependent on blue state manufacturers who utilize red state nonunion labor to manufacture their goods. if red america was really a competitor to low-wage

manufacturing countries, they would have to continually reduce rages in order to compete. based on red state economies like mississippi, kentucky and west virginia, they would be a nation of largely impoverished workers ruled by a small oligarchy of the very rich with no healthcare and no autonomy for women. they would likely be largely dependent on oil and national gas revenue, which diminishing supply. that would mean there would be an ecological disaster. they would probably need lots of national aid from blue america. as evidence, currently, most red states pay less into the federal tax then they take out. with the new red republic expect the blue states to pay alimony in child support and to this national divorce? just a few reason why the whole idea is implausible. we are not divided by state. i will explain next.

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institution showing that biden winning base in 500 counties encompasses 71% of america's economic activity, while trump losing base of 2500 counties 29% of the economy. that is because blue states tend to be urban and suburban with large population. red counties can be smaller or rural and sometimes with more cows and corn stock than people. economically, it is not a fair fight. joining me are msnbc political analyst matthew and corey. i remember sarah palin's husband was indulging in it. these red state folks keep saying it, but they don't understand the economics of it would really be awful for a red state. the states that are most dependent on the federal government and to keep their colonies alive. west virginia, montana, louisiana, indiana, and alabama.

new mexico is a blue state. blue states are the donor states. colorado, delaware, new jersey et cetera. why do they keep indulging in this. >> because they don't care about the economic implications of it. i think it is fundamental to what they are doing and what they have not done in washington. what they care about is the cultural implications of this. that is what they care about, because they have a singular culture that they want to establish. since they can't do it in the u.s. as a whole, they want to do it state-by-state. the other thing i found peculiar that she used this term divorce in this process and sometimes as we know, in a divorce, sometimes the person falls in love with somebody else or another individual and wants out . i think marjorie taylor greene has fallen in love with another country. that happens to be russia in the course of this. she likes is going on in russia far more than what she likes

going on here. she likes britain's brand of leadership far more than she likes joe biden's brand of leadership. it is a cultural -- this is not an economic concern. this is a cultural concern. it fundamentally doesn't understand what it means to be in the u.s.. united states of america. they have no concept of what this means in history. to me, what started the civil war, we are long past that here in the country, because they have jumped to the place where they want to separate countries , so they can establish cultural way they want in america. >> there are a couple of ironies. they would be rolling a country that would be substantially black. what would they do with those four people stuck there in their world if you really separated? by their own definition, their states are takers. they claim they don't like the

federal government and don't like takers. their own estate is dependent on federal for survival. by their metrics, they are the ones in the moral wrong. >> well, it is absurd. what they would have to do is what they are already doing in many of the states, which is making it harder and harder for people of color to vote and have political power. my father and families from rural north carolina -- one thing my father always talked about growing up is that in the south, blacks and whites can get along, but it's a problem when blacks want power. i think that continues to be true right now. you would have to be margaret kony and measures to disenfranchise and take away black political power even more so than you do right now.

let's push this out further. marjorie taylor greene and many of her friends with all due respect are not republicans anymore. they are confederate. i worked with the state of the union and looked at the speeches by president and even ronald reagan talked about the ideal of republicans and democrats getting together to move legislation that benefits all-america and puts a bipartisanship. this is not a party of ronald reagan or no longer what i see as a legitimate republican party. when you start talking about dividing the country up and breaking the country, you are a confederate and no longer republican. >> i feel like there is a coddling of the conservative mind. the conservatives don't have the confidence that their ideas

can be sold on the basis of presenting them as ideas. they have decided that we can't convince people to do what we want and live by our religious, so we will tell the federal government to enforce it. i don't like this book or truck shows. the thing that i feel uncomfortable with, i don't feel confident that i can convince people to come to my side, so i need the power of federal government to ban the things that make me uncomfortable. that strikes me as an intellectual collapse and sense of defeat. >> i am really glad you brought this point up, because i have been thinking about this a lot having been observers or in politics for decades. i can't remember a time when one political party or the leaders of the political party abandon persuasion. they abandon persuasion as a mode of leadership. what they decided is just like you said. they can't persuade the

majority of america to move in a certain direction, which is where they want to go. i have said this as a form of christian nationalism, they want to establish that. they no longer want to persuade. they go to fours. every single leader that has emerged, donald trump, decembers and others, it is not an art of persuasion, but for us. when you no longer -- when you abandon persuasion and go to fours, democracy is afraid and broken. major political party no longer believes in persuasion. >> it is like missionaries or religious missionaries is torture as their form of conversion, because they actually don't have --. >> they are like crusaders. >> it is one way to turn more people away. >> when she said that and when

republican leadership did not come out and condemn it, i thought -- i hate to think this way, but it would political opportunity. there is a lot of research that i have been involved with that shows americans are actually really concerned about another civil war in the country. they don't want another civil war and the majority of americans still hold onto the hope that even as divided as we are, we have more in common than not that we are stronger together. i like the ideal of joe biden going into re-election in standing -- his speech they gave in europe was brilliant, because he talked about democracy and standing up to democracy. he talked about taking on. this confederate party that is

emerging on the right will be the party of and autocracy and anti-democracy against democracy, then they are handing joe biden and republicans an issue. >> her state would be union. has she been to atlanta? it isn't a red state no more. >> she will be one of the children's that is divorced and left without a home. >> matthew dowd and corey , thank you. these conservatives are very hard these days. with all the history books, gender identities and free- speech lying around. thank goodness, ron desantis is here to protect their delicate little feelings and offer them the ultimate cuddles. the abuse of state power to force everything to go their way. we are back in a second.

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one full sign substitute teacher was fired after posting a video showing the empty bookshelves in their classroom. he also adds restrictions in schools about what can be taught about race and gender and white children might feel that if they find out that not all white people were heroes and that there were trenton people long before rupaul. yes, there is the obsession over drag shows that causes irreparable harm to conservatives and their kids , though they have yet to explain how generations of young minds survived in bugs bunny costumes were he dresses up as a girl bunny. now, an example where the bill filed this week to make it easier to sue journalists for defamation, something ron desantis was pushing earlier this month. it would open up defamation laws, so if a journalist reports on a racist, misogynistic, anti-gay incident, there were subject to the reporting can to the journalist. that is not how it works, but they wanted to work that way.

florida's house minority leader describes it to me that they are literally trying to make it illegal to make conservatives feel bad in any way. the representative of driscoll joins me now, professor of law school. i do want to start with you. you are the one who alerted me to this. describe what the law -- this law is being pushed by who? is at the governor and legislature? >> thank you for having me. this is being pushed by the governor. as an elected official, i was speechless when i read the bill. it does so many things, including presumption of law, but anonymous. we know that anonymous is something critical , so it's astonishing to me that they are trying to overturn literally 250 years of american law when it comes to that. >> can you walk through this?

in a defamation case, there has to be deliberate, but what they are saying is that if you do a story about somebody accused of racism, that it dons things of racism and anti-lgbt, then you can be sued by the person and all of the presumptions go to the person who has been accused of racism and not to the person who is being accused of libel or defamation. >> i think you are exactly right to talk about presumptions. in her last segment, you talked about conservatives wanting to use the federal government to protect them, because they couldn't win an argument. they are basically trying to state law to protect them against the press. this is an anti-price piece of legislation if it's past and when it comes to defamation law, there are two worlds. one is if you are a private figure and sue for defamation, then it is easier for you to win and there is good reason for that, because you haven't

availed yourself and you don't necessarily have. you can't come on air and clear name. when it comes to public figures, what we have said based on the first amendment is there has got to be harder for them to win defamation cases. you mentioned the actual standard. if you are a public figure, you have to show that you knew the statement was false or that you recklessly disregarded it. that is what protects the press. this bill would really, as you said, underlying those presumptions in favor of the press and it would turn the first amendment protection on their head. >> this feels like an attempt by people who want to get away with racism. i hate to be blunt, but they want to be able to -- everything is deemed to be racist, they want not anyone to report on it or be afraid to report on it. is that the sense you are getting? >> i do get the sense that it is trying to shield more

conservative viewpoints. that is what i am getting. there is something in the bill that as i read and understand it and as my team does, it actually impacts private citizens, as well. if you are accused of discrimination based on race, gender or sexual orientation or gender identity and if you are accused of discrimination on one of those grounds, it is presumed to be defamatory per se. you can be sued for automatically up to $35,000 in statutory fines and fees, so journalism, public figures and private figures. i am concerned that we live in a world in florida, but moving forward, the 1984 and maybe it is a new world. it is a very scary, because we know that journalism and lawsuits are important to exposing the truth about things. the u.s. constitution started

the truth is a form of complete defense for defamation, so what are we doing? we are contradicting our constitution, u.s. law and all in the name of pursuing political agenda. it makes no sense. >> you know, there is an actual defamation case going on right now in which the voting machine company is suing fox news, because they made up things about them that simply were not true. they were not a publicly known entity until they were made famous by fox news. that is the classic understanding of defamation. this means organization made of things about them that they were telling were false. not to stop that kind of activity, but to stop the government the state government

in florida attempting to cross speech, because conservatives don't like it. you are exactly right to point out that the first amendment protects us against the government trying to force us to speak or silence our speech. it gives concern, because it is the state court judge saying that you can't say that, but we discuss it for a good reason, because defamatory speech doesn't promote that broad and robust debate. set the standard that governor dissenters and others are frankly trying to undermine. they talk about the need for the press to be able to alert us and the people. to be able to hold our elected representative's account about, so that is why you talk about the dress press.

if they worry based on this bill, it becomes legislation and if they worry they can't use anonymous sources or report based on certain issues, we all lose and we don't want to have a press particularly local outlets who do not have the money to fund the defense, then we don't want them constantly saying, it is too expensive and we can't publish it. >> that is what they want. they want to silence the press and terrify people into standing up to them. they don't want anyone to stand up to them. for the state representative and minority leader, thank you very much. jessica, thank you, as well. up next, newly announced senate candidate is here to tell us why she is running to replace. then work with profess to assist your business with its forms and submit the application. go to getrefunds.com to learn more. hi, i'm tony hawk, and like many of you, i take a statinrms andto reduce cholesterol,n.

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dianne feinstein, the oldest most senior democrat in the senate announced that she would not seek reelection next year. the move clears the way for what many expect to be a costly and extremely competitive race for a seat feinstein has held for 30 years. representatives katie porter of, orange county, and adam schiff of los angeles, have already tossed their hats into the ring. on tuesday congresswoman barbara lee, representing oakland, announced that she too would join her colleagues in the race. lee, who was born in el paso, where she had to drink from separate water fountains and was forbidden from entering certain theaters, went on to become a fierce advocate for

abortion rights and lgbtq rights. lee was the only member of congress to vote against the authorization for the use of military force after 9/11 that gave george w. bush sweeping anti-terrorism war powers, which those of us will oppose the iraq war, said to which we said, here here. i will note that there has not been a black woman in the united states senate since vice president kamala harris vacated her seat in 2021. california's primary is a free-for-all, which means that voters can pick any candidate regardless of party in the top two vote getters advance to the general election. congresswoman barbara lee joins me now. congresswoman, thank you for being here. tell me why you jumped into this very crowded race. >> hi, joy. glad to be with you. well, first of all, i just want to say, it's important that people understand that i am running for them, not myself. i am running for people who really haven't had a voice in

the senate for many years, and you mentioned the fact that there have only been two african american women serving, but let me clarify one point. since 1789. there have been two african american women serving for a total of ten years. just think of the loss of perspective, the fact that black women live in an intersection all manner, in the areas of discrimination, racism, gender inequality, lgbtq discrimination. all of those issues we bring to the table, and you know, what we have fired and we've been successful in beating back as part of the resistance and we fought to get the job done. so black women deserve a seat at the table, not only for our communities but to lift everyone up and to make sure that everyone has a seat and to make this country stronger. >> so let's talk about this political, race or there's

gonna be a challenge, and there are now three, political heavyweights, yourself included. adam schiff, congressman adam schiff who people really guttural through the impeachment trial as well as the january 6th hearings. he is running with the endorsement of former speaker nancy pelosi. she has endorsed him. he and katie porter have raised a lot of money. adam schiff has raised 20 point $6 million. katie porter is sitting on about seven point $7 million. you are at a financial deficit of about 54 point $9,000. how do you overcome those deficits in terms of support by people like speaker pelosi, and the money? >> first of, all the people speaker, like anyone, have their own rights to decide who they would like to endorse. they have the right to do that. but secondly, it was interesting to see that chart, because you know what? there are many barriers, of

course, you know, for a black women and women of color to raise money the way that others raise money. but having said that, i have raised money over the years to support our party, to pay their dues, to help women and women of color, black women, to help candidates who were frontliners and people who are having a difficult time winning their elections. i have raised money and i've contributed to money. when i when you understand the way we're going to run our campaign, i'm gonna raise the money to win, but it won't be the way that others raise their money, and i'm asking for small donations, recurring donations. i'm asking for the public to support me, barbara lee for california, that's ca.com. and we're going to win this. when you look at how karen bass won her race, 9 million to 100 million. l.a. county is not the state of california. but believe you me, there are strategies and ways that we win races by talking to the voters,

sharing my life experiences with the voters, and making sure the voters know that i am with them and that i have a history of working together with my colleagues as a progressive black woman to make sure that i get the job done. i've got the job done on many issues for the community and for the state. >> one quick issue, you addressed it in your video, your launch video, and you said that those who might question -- united states anett, the average age in the united states senate is something like in the 60s or 70s, late 60s. a bit younger in the house. you are two opponents are not that much younger in terms of adam schiff, but katie porter is. how do you address the question of people who say the democratic party needs to really start looking at a younger generation of candidates? >> well, joy, first of all i say experience does count. where in a moment now where we're dealing with really forced our democracy, the maga

republican extremists. you need somebody who's going to stand there invited not back down in who can bring people together. when you look at the fact that i have experienced many call me yogi, i've been a progressive all my life, and i know how to get the job done. when it comes to age, when does making change ever go out of style? i don't accept that. i'm going to continue to fight for california. i'm going to continue to raise money in this race. we're going to continue to speak directly to the voters, like i did during my video. and we intend to go to voters, have them understand that i see them, that are going to work with them, that i have experience or they can trust me because all they have to do is look at my record. >> congresswoman barbara lee, thank, you and wish you best of luck. we look forward to having representatives adam schiff and katie porter on as well. that's tonight's read out. all in with chris hayes, with

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