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>> it's another reminder to never, ever, ever, give up on yourself. and on that beautiful note, i wish you a good night. from all our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. tomorrow >> we start with breaking news about president trump's eldest daughter ivanka trump and her husband, former senior adviser to the president jared kushner. there are times reports tonight that both kushner and trump have been subpoenaed by special counsel jack smith as part of his investigation into former president trump's role in the january 6th attack. now, if you watch the house january six committee hearings last year, you might remember that one of the signal moments was a piece of video they played featuring ivanka trump. a big question the committee was trying to answer was, was how much people in the white house believed the lie they

were pushing, that the election had been stolen. so, it mattered when the committee asked trump's opinion of attorney general bill barr's statement which was made on december 1st of 2020, that there was no widespread fraud in the election. it mattered that this was how the president's daughter responded. >> how did that affect your perspective about the election when -- attorney general barr made that statement? >> it affected my perspective. i respect attorney general barr. so, i accepted what he was saying. >> the former president's daughter testified that more than a month before january 6th, she knew the election had not been stolen. ivanka trump is also a key witness to the events on january 6th itself. not only did she accompany her father backstage at the rally at the ellipse, where president trump encouraged his followers to mark to the capital and

fight like hell, but ivanka trump was also with president trump in the oval office, and in the white house dining room during some of the key 100 days ivan 187 minutes that day. the minutes between the attack started and when trump finally urged supporters to go home. as the january 6th committee wrote in its final report, ivanka trump repeatedly returned to the dining room to counsel her father throughout the day. each time that ivanka trump thought that she made headway through her father, the chief of staff mark meadows would call to say that the president still needs more persuading. it was a cycle that repeated itself over several hours that afternoon. and that at one point, it led to ivanka trump leaving to kushner's office next to her, because she needed to regroup and collect herself. so, there is a lot to ask ivanka trump about. it appears also from the january 6th committee's final report that trump has thus far not been as transparent as you she might have been. late in the morning of january 6th, president trump made a call to vice president pence.

trump tried to pressure pence to block or delay the certification of the electoral college results. ivanka trump's chief of staff testified to the committee that ivanka told the staffer that president trump was so upset on that phone call that president trump called pence the p-word. this is something you would think he would remember. but when the committee asked ivanka trump if they were any particular words that she remembered from that call, she responded, no. as for jared kushner's utility as a witness, he was not personally at the white house for most of the day on january 6th. but he was there as a top trump advisor throughout the attempts to steal the election. kushner has thus far been decidedly dismissive about those efforts, and their effects. here he is describing how trump's white house lawyers reacted to trump's efforts to stay in power. >> jared kushner, are you aware of instances where pat cipollone threaten to resign?

>> like i said, my interest at that time was in getting as many pardons done. and i know he was always -- him in the team were always saying, we are going to resign, we're not going to be here if this happens, that happens, and so i kind of took that to just the whining, to be honest with you. >> you know those white house lawyers, always whining about threatening to resign. so, it is news tonight the special counsel jack smith has subpoenaed both jared kushner and ivanka trump for testimony before a federal grand jury. and while special counsel smith plows ahead on january 6th, republicans in congress are already hard at work on the counter offensive. both of the clips that i just showed you tonight of ivanka trump and jared kushner's depositions, both of the clips came from the house january 6th investigation primetime hearing, which aired on june 9th. both of them were played during the 8 pm hour of those hearings. but if you watched fox news at

8 pm that night, you wouldn't have heard those depositions. instead, you would've heard this. >> good evening and welcome to tucker carlson. it tells you a lot about the priorities of our ruling class that the rest of us are getting yet another a lecture about january 6th tonight. it's from our moral inferiors, no less. an outbreak of mob violence, a forgettable minor outbreak by recent standards that took place more than a year and a half ago the. but they've never stopped talking about it. the whole thing is insulting. in fact, is deranged. and we are not playing along. this is the only hour on an america news channel that will not be carrying their propaganda live. >> fox news host tucker carlson has been literally leading the pack in trying to whitewash the events of january 6th. he produced a three-point three part documentary series called patriot purge to try to suggest that it was all a false flag operation. which is why it's such a big deal at that house speaker kevin mccarthy has now decided to give tucker carlson

exclusive access to 44,000 hours of january 6th security camera footage. and it's not just incredible that speaker mccarthy gave this footage to this specific fox news host, but that he gave it to any journalist at all. politico reports that the chief of the capitol police and house sergeant at arms, both of them, it did not know that this footage was going to be given to fox news until it was reported this week in the press. every piece of footage from that the january 6th committee aired was cleared with the capitol police in advance to make sure that they were not compromising the security of the building by either showing where security cameras are, or how security responded on that day. and now speaker mccarthy has just handed all of the security footage is over to a fox primetime host. to be foxified or whatever happens over there. mccarthy certainly seems a lot less concerned about the safety

and security of the capital building these days, which is a very far cry from the way that he felt on january 6th. at least according to jared kushner. >> i heard my phone ringing. i turned the shower off. i saw ways leader mccarthy, who i have a good relationship with. he told me it was getting really ugly over at the capitol. he said, please, i need your help, i would really appreciate it. i don't recall anything he specifically asked, just, anything that you can do. again, i got the sense that they were scared. >> they meaning leader mccarthy and people on the hill? because of the violence? >> he was scared, yes. >> in addition to releasing these 44,000 hours of security footage to a right wing propaganda machine, speaker mccarthy is now fundraising off of this decision. he is soliciting money by declaring that america requires truth and transparency over partisan games. senate leader chuck schumer today, blasted speaker mccarthy

for the move, saying that it posed grave security risks for anyone in the capital, and this afternoon, congressman benny thompson, the former chair of the house january 6th committee he gave a private presentation to house democrats about what this means but. joining us now is benny thompson, democratic congressman from mississippi, and former chairman of the january 6th committee. -- i just would love to get your first thoughts and reaction from inside the democratic caucus and on the decision from the part of the speaker of the house. >> thank you very much for having me, alex. let me just say that the democratic caucus in its entirety was absolutely flabbergasted that the speaker would make 44,000 hours of video available to any news media without any standards, any protocols, or any notifications of leader jeffries, or house

administration, or anybody. democrats -- just like others -- heard about it in the press. so, that's not how you do it. we put ourselves at risk as a country, as congress persons in the capitol. there were a number of items that hour committee put together as we viewed all of this material. we set up a separate section to be viewed by individuals who have been cleared. each one of them had passwords to look. we worked out with capitol police to make sure that we did not compromise security at any point. it is clear now, as far as we know, there is a possibility of security risk because cameras are located in a lot of areas.

as you know, a lot of us had to be marshaled out of the capitol during the insurrection. all of that is on footage. and it compromises the integrity and security of the capitol. i think speaker mccarthy has some explaining to do, quite honestly. >> it is awfully strange behavior from a party that purports to be the party of law and order to directly compromise the safety of those who are charged with keeping everyone safe. i wonder if you think that this is part of the bargain that speaker mccarthy made for the right wing members of his caucus who were publicly asking for this footage to be released in advance of the speaker's election. do you think this is part of the devils bargain that he made in early january? >> there is no question about it. i think we'll see some other things over time also that that

say it's in order for him to get the speakership. he had to give up everything. as you know, fox news was one of the major networks promoting the big lie. it's coming out in the dominion voting case that they knew specifically that the election had not been stolen, but they kept repeating the big lie. and so now you give the footage to the big lie station, so they can do the damage that they have been talking about all the time. look, the men and women who protected us, alex, they did an enormous job, over 150 absolutely hurt. some are still off work. someone lost their lives. and the men and women who worked in the capitol every day deserve the best security possible. giving this video to fox news

network, or tucker carlson, or whomever, it is clearly a dereliction of duty of the speaker. and at some point, i hope that nothing happens, but he needs to be made accountable for what is clearly something that puts the security of the united states capitol to at risk. >> there is also just the -- beyond the security concerns, which are grave, there's also the idea that the speaker of the house is willingly handing over government footage to -- i don't even want to use the word news to describe what fox it is. but it's a propaganda machine, effectively. and what precedent that sets -- should other outlets -- requests this footage to? is that the way to combat this? what's your suggestion to people in the media here? >> first of all, we set protocols in place to look at the footage.

we worked it out with the capitol police. and we did it in a matter that would not compromise security at all. my understanding is that the capitol police did not know that the footage had been released, or made available to fox, until they read about it in the press. that is not how you do a security related issue. the chief of the capitol police is a qualified individual. we worked with him. it was a good relationship between our committee and the capitol police. and to my knowledge, we never had a single breach of that protocol while we had the film in our custody. >> i have to ask you, because we do also have the breaking news tonight that special counsel jack smith's subpoenaing ivanka trump and jared kushner, their testimony for the investigation. what's your reaction to that?

>> i think our special counsel is moving in the right direction. we made it available to them, all of the depositions, and other information that we have gleaned over the 18 months in the investigation. we wanted to get it earlier, but we felt that we had to complete our work. and in that work is significant information. you understand the difference between our committee, alex, and the prosecutor. it's their potential for criminal activity. because that's what they do. we were just a legislative body trying to get to the answers of what actually occurred here. now if criminal activity had gone on, then i think our special counsel will get to the bottom of it. we gave him the information. and we wanted to talk to vice president pence. he refused to come to us.

the speaker, who is the leader, ignored our subpoena. other members of congress did likewise. i would like to see what happens when more people get subpoenas. >> i think we all would. congressman bennie thompson, thank you, as always, for your time tonight, sir. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> let's turn to democratic congressman dan goldman of new york. he's the former assistant u. s. attorney for the southern district of new york and also served as lead counsel for the first improvement inquiry into donald trump. the fact that we have to stipulate that it's the first impeachment inquiry -- but, i digress. congressman, let's start with where we left off with you congressman thompson, which is the subpoenas that are coming from the special counsel's office. are you optimistic that they are actually going to have to testify? or do you think we are going to get into a protracted executive privilege battle? >> i think they've waived executive privilege if they testified in the january 6th committee.

so i would expect them to at least show up. are there going to be things that they claim are covered by executive privilege? it's possible. but it's certainly nothing that they have already spoken about, and they can now claim executive privilege. so i would expect they will show up. i don't think there going to litigate this, and given their history with the january 6th committee -- >> yeah. >> i do think that one of the benefits to ivanka trump showing up that if mike pence is going to litigate his subpoena, and it's going to drag on and on and on, even if it's a losing cause, it will delay significantly. if donald trump ivanka trump was there and listening into donald trump's conversations with mike pence. -- so the special counsel can get some of that information from other witnesses including ivanka trump. >> she was in the room. she's a confidant of the

president in a way that few others are, if no one else is. but i have to ask, as someone who was lead counsel for donald trump's first impeachment, what sorts of protocols are traditionally in place for the kind of material that we are talking about, vis-à-vis the security footage on january six? no as we focus on this more broadly here -- the idea that the speaker of the house has handed over all of this footage to a fox news host seems unprecedented in american history, but i also i think just in terms of the access, the breach of access that has now happened -- how unusual is this? and what is the new normal at this point in terms of security footage and the compromising security inside the capitol building? >> well, given the security reached that occurred on january 6th, it's even more shocking that the speaker would hold over tens of thousands of hours of surveillance tapes, now just think about what that means. it's not just simply that there

is the actual footage. you would be able to figure out exactly who where all of those surveillance cameras are throughout the capitol. >> yeah. >> and if you, let's say, we're going to promote the big lie or promote propaganda or, say, for example, that what happened on january 6th was a minor incident, and you wanted to help facilitate future minor incidents, you would have a roadmap for how to avoid detection -- this is a real security issue, separate and apart from the pathetic pandering that the speaker is doing to the extreme right as payback for being elected speaker, and of trying to pander to tucker carlson, who controls the sort of extreme aga movement. >> it's the activist wing of the republican party over at

fox, it feels like. >> the extremist wing. activist is too reasonable -- >> to be active in the gop at this stage stage means you are probably extreme. but, setting that aside for the moment, i think there are two parts of this that are deeply concerning. one, of course, is the security part. but the other one is, what can they practically do with this? it is 44,000 hours of footage. there's a lot in there. can they actively establish a counter narrative? a visual counter narrative that will go against what the january six committee has presented to the american public? do you think that's possible? >> not in any complete way. but remember, what we see from these republicans in the investigations -- and i'm on the oversight committee -- >> yeah, you are on the committee of the weaponization of the federal government. >> what they are trying to accomplish -- and they did this a little bit with the impeachment investigation -- is a 32nd sound bite.

it can then be used and spun a web to create an alternate universe. is it possible that they could cherry-pick 30 seconds of video and use that as the basis for completely fictional narrative? yes, of course. because it's what they do every day. so, the possibilities for someone like tucker carlsen, who has no relationship with the truth, is to cherry-pick various portions of it and try to weave it together and create a false narrative that can then go through the right-wing eco sphere. >> i've got to ask you because you are in congress and obviously there's a partisan divide here. the fact that kevin mccarthy has not answered for any of this and the only communication from him on the topic are the fundraising emails he has sent out. i mean, what does this do inside congress? he's breached somebody that that has never been breached before.

and he may have put all of your lives at risk. what are the repercussions inside of congress? >> there's not a lot of trust from the democratic caucus with the speaker. i think everyone recognizes on the democratic side that he sold his soul in order to become the speaker of the house. but what it demonstrates is not just a breach of protocol, not just a breach of security, but a breach of the rules, ethics and practices of the house. the fact that, as chairman thompson said, he did not even consult with the capitol police before releasing the capitol police's surveillance videos is remarkable. forget about democrats -- you can make an argument, wrong as it might be, it's partisan. but he did not consult with the security experts about revealing security footage. it is, as chairman thompson

said, a dereliction of duty, not to the democrats, but to the capitol police, the people who work in the capitol and broadly, to the american people. what can we do about it? well, nothing directly. but he and the other republicans will have to answer for it at the ballot box. >> this is a party that says that they backed the blue. this is the behavior of a party that says it is the party of law and order. new york congressman dan goldman -- daniel goldman. thank you. >> either way. >> we'll do both. thank you for being here, thank you for your time. we have a lot to get to tonight, including one of the most shocking pieces of legislation that i have heard about in a long time in a season of shocking legislation. here's a hint. remember those gun pins that some members of congress were seen wearing earlier this week? plus, republican ron desantis has done a complete 180 on russia. we'll dig into that. that's coming up next.

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gain an inch, he's going to take a mile. and basically, if america is not going to give him any pushback, i think he's going to continue to try to expand russian influence. if we had a policy that was from, that armed ukraine with offensive and defensive weapons so they can defend themselves, i think putin would make different policies. if you had a reagan-esque policy of strength, i think he would see people like putin not want to mess with us. >> that was how ron desantis used to talk about russia and ukraine. during russia's 2014 invasion of crimea, desantis was still a member of congress sitting on the house foreign affairs committee. he used his position at the time to do what most republican did at that time, which was stake out positions of aggression and blame the obama white house for not being strong enough, for being weak and not doing enough to our to arm ukrainians in that fight.

but that was then, and now ron desantis is a potential contender in the republican nomination for president, and he is running in a party whose base has all but embraced vladimir putin and abandoned its support for ukraine. and now when ron desantis gets asked about russia's illegal invasion of ukraine, he says things like this. >> i don't think it's in our interest to be getting into proxy war, with china getting involved, over things like the borderlands or over crimea. the fear of russia going into nato countries and all of that, and steamrolling, that has not even come close to happening. >> ron desantis is evolution on the issue is part of a growing trend within the republican party. while some in the gop have maintained support for ukraine it is growing momentum among conservatives -- openly advocating -- congressman matt gates has introduced a resolution that would end all military and financial aid to ukraine. marjorie taylor greene, who is

now an ally of house republican leadership -- she has called for biden's impeachment over his visit to ukraine earlier this week. and yesterday donald trump released a video for his supporters, claiming that world war iii has never been closer than it is right now. and vowing to clean the house of all the warmongers and america last globalists in the deep state, the pentagon, the state department, and the national security industrial complex. joining us now is washington correspondent and founding partner at putt news, julia ioffe. julia ioffe, it's great to see you. >> -- >> -- the fight in ukraine. there was a moment -- and it was a short-lived moment when it seemed to be some at the outset of all of it. and i wonder what you think the catalyst for the child enthusiasm which is putting it mildly inside the gop -- with a catalyst was for that --

is it the length of the war? is that the fact that biden seems to be somewhat successful at his strategy? is it just isolationism? it's an inevitable and point of the modern-day gop? what do you attribute it to? >> i think it's important to point out that i think it's still a mainstream position in the republican party to support ukraine. i was just at the munich security conference. and there were a lot of -- and house numbers members from the house republican side of the aisle, they are pledging their support, some of them pretty high-ranking members pledging to, quote, die on this hill because it reminded them of the struggle of world war ii. that it was such a clean cut battle, good versus evil. as for what is happening on the far-right wing of the party, i think it has several explanations. one is the kind of --

american as apple pie isolationism which runs strong in american politics from the very beginning. of our republic -- part of it is trump's embrace of russia, and the fact that or should during the administration was seen more as a friend, in part because russia tried to help him win the election, and definitely put the thumb on the scale during the 2016 presidential election. putin also, very ably inserts himself into our culture wars. even yesterday, when he spoke and delivered his address to the federal assembly, he invoked a lot of our culture war issues. i think part of it is done to insert himself into the american culture wars, talking about how the war is being waged so that kids do not have a parent number one and parent number two, but so that they

have a mother and father. and so ukrainians cannot push queer values onto christian russia. i think that really resonates with republicans. i think, especially, on the far right. what is interesting is that on this part of the far-right, they're very uncomfortable taking the fight to vladimir putin, in part because he's a white nationalist christian leader, in their eyes, but they are very comfortable taking the fight to china. i wonder what the difference is. i hear what you are -- >> there is no question that there are some establishment figures inside of the gop that are very much -- support for ukraine -- but if you look at republican support for providing weapons for ukraine for example. in may of last year, 53% of republicans wanted to provide that support. in january this year, that's shrunk to 39%. it seems like, for all the reasons you outline, they sort of semi pro putin rhetoric is having its effect on the grassroots part of the base, and i want to, putin is a very shrewd operator. the fact that he's taking a

page from the culture war playbook is the way you maintain that support with the far-right wing of the republican party. what is zelenskyy's play in all of this? because he certainly can't come out as a woke liberal and is not one. he should not have to. but how do you combat that if that's what putin is trying to do? because they both have to care, at this point, a lot about american domestic politics because it could determine, in some part, the future of this war. >> i think that's why you saw zelenskyy coming to congress in late december and saying, this isn't charity. and i can account for what you have sent us. and what you are sending us is helping us win this fight. and it's keeping the fight on our hands and not bringing the war to you. this constant lobbying, both public and private, that ukrainians are doing, has been very important. because you are right. this erosion of support in the republican base is very concerning.

pretty much everybody quoted this poll at the munich security conference in private. europeans were very worried about it, and americans had to go out of their way in order to reassure our european allies, because unfortunately, as much as europe is committed to this fight, they really still need america to lead them. and to unify them, to kind of herd their cats, as it were. everybody is very worried on the other side of the atlantic, what happens if joe biden isn't reelected? what happens if the congressional make up changes yet again? and people in the far-right gain more power, or people in the american public turn actively hostile against ukraine? i think that right now, it fits an issue that is still kind of -- people are basically supporting ukraine, but don't really pay

attention ton of a tension to it. it should not be too hard to get aid through, maybe not in same massive quantities that the biden administration was able to get through in the first year, but it is going to be a lot harder, and it is definitely something that the biden administration is conveying to their ukrainian counterparts. that the aid packages are just not going to be the size that they were in 2022. >> the domestic politics have a massive effect on what is playing out in ukraine. and we are all watching them carefully. julia ioffe, my friend, it's good to see you. thanks for your time tonight. we have lots more to come tonight, including good news for congressional democrats, like big historic good news. we will explain, coming up. plus, what do you get when you put a gun pin on congressman george santos? the answer is outrageous, and it is next. it is next >> tech: need to get your windshield fixed? safelite makes it easy.

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three reasons to smile tonight. in kentucky democrat kathy chambers armstrong won a special election last night for a state senate seat, with 77% of the vote. she outperformed president biden, when the district in 2020, with 65% of the vote. in new hampshire, another democrat exceeded recent party performance as well. democrat chuck grassley -- not to be confused with republican chuck grassley -- by 12 points against his republican opponent. and in virginia, this for who is the front page of the richmond times dispatch this morning. mclelland makes history. democrats jennifer mcclellan won a special election last night and will become the first black woman to represent the commonwealth of virginia in the u.s. congress. mcclellan's historic victory underscored political change and social progress in the old dominion, just for four generation, mcclellan's great-grandfather, an emancipated slave, had to take

a literacy test and find three white people who would vouch for him so that he could register to vote. both her father and her grandfather had to pay a poll tax in order to cast their ballots and. jennifer mcclellan's mother did not vote until after the passing of the voting rights act of 1965. it is with that history behind her that mcclellan has turned into page for the state of virginia. and by the way, she defeated her republican opponent by a staggering margin of nearly 50 points. joining us now, is congresswoman-elect jennifer mcclellan of virginia's fourth congressional district. congresswoman mcclellan, congratulations on the victory. i'm so glad i can say congresswoman-elect this time. last time, it was not that. >> thank you. it's so great to be here. and i'm just thrilled. >> i'm sure you are. it was a trouncing of your opponent, a moment for the history books, and president biden called you last night. i don't want you to breach any

confidences here. but is there anything you can tell us about that conversation? >> well, he actually called before the polls closed, when because he was in poland. and because of the time change, he would not be able to call afterwards. and he wished me luck and he was looking forward to meeting me and he promised that my kids would get to meet him. because they're really looking forward to that. >> i'm sure. and he tends to make good when he makes promises like that, especially when there are children involved. >> exactly. >> i've got to ask you how you are making sense of what's going on in virginia. it's a state that has changed dramatically demographically in the last several decades. it's a state that is at once sending its first black woman to congress in the year 2023 but also very recently elected glenn youngkin its governor, someone who is very much a general in the culture wars. how should voters outside of virginia think of that state, in your mind?

>> i think while we are often looked at at that as a battleground state at the end of the day people are looking for elected officials that are going to solve problems and focus on kitchen table issues and are hungry for someone who is just going to look at government as a force for helping people and not a force for political theater. >> do you -- when you look at the state, who do you think of as your constituents? i would love that you could get as specific as possible. because, i think depending on where you are in virginia, it's a different group of people. i will just call to everybody's attention, the new york times reporting on in virginia in 2019 -- once the heart of the confederacy, -- grocery stores, korean churches and diwali festivals. -- when in ten people eligible to vote in the state were born

outside the united states, up from one in 28 in 1990. it is also significantly less white. what are the faces that you think of when you think of your constituents in virginia? >> it's very diverse. my district is about 47% white, 44% black, and a mix of everything else, but in a lot of ways it's a microcosm of the commonwealth. it is urban, rural, and suburban. and everything from agriculture to state employees, million dollar mansions and housing projects. and i think that voters are looking for someone who is going to speak to them and not leave any community behind. that's what i have done for the past 18 years in the legislature. and that's what i did in this campaign. >> yeah. i think, in many ways, they are interlinked, right?

just demographic -- this changing state, and another party is very much isolationist, nativist, wants to bring us back to before that demographic change. speaking of the other side of the aisle, you defeated leon benjamin, your opponent, an election denier, by almost 50 points. now don the kitchen, the congressman who preceded you in the seat the seat defeated him in 2022 before his untimely death by 30 points, and benjamin would not concede, even when he lost by 30 points. i think you have done us all a favor and establish the threshold at which you need to beat an election denier to actually have him concede. is 50% what everybody needs to run up in order to get election deniers to admit the truth? >> well, i would like to think that election deniers would just see reality, but if we have to run it up to 50%, then that's just what we'll do. >> [laughter] it's a high bar, but you passed it. one last question. when you talk about the faces of leadership in virginia,

there is abigail spanberger, jennifer wexler. they are your fellow democratic congresswomen from the old dominion, from the state of virginia. do you expect to have similar positions on issues as they do? they are some of the most moderate members of the democratic caucus. and i wonder how you see yourself against their politics. >> you know, i view myself as a pragmatic progressive. i think at the end of the day, i'm there to solve problems and help people and do what needs to be done but leave no part of virginia behind. i don't know where that would put any compared to them on the spectrum. but i think that in the needs of my constituents, i think pragmatic progressive fits me. >> congressman-elect jennifer mcclellan of virginia, thank you for making the time tonight to join us after that historic victory. it's some very good news for the democratic party in the state of virginia. >> thank you. it's always a pleasure. >> we will be right back.

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