morning. >> can't wait for the hand of. >> that's all in for this -- that we look forward to it as well. that's it for tonight, live from ukraine. alex wagner tonight begins right now. thanks for all of you for joining us tonight, we start with breaking news about ivanka trump and jared kushner. new york times reports tonight, the both kushner and trump, have been subpoenaed by special have been subpoenaed by special counsel jack smith as part of his investigation into former president trump's roll in the january 6th attack. now, if you watched the house january 6th committee hearings last year you might remember that one of the signal moments was a piece of video the

committee played featuring ivanka trump. a big question the committee was trying to answer was how much people in the white house believed the lie that they were pushing, that the election had been stolen. so it nattered when the committee asked trump's opinion of attorney general bill barr's statement which was made on december 1 of 2020 that there wasn no widespread fraud in th election. it mattered this was how the president's daughter responded. >> it affected my perspective. i respect attorney general barr, so i accepted what he was saying. >> the h former president's daughter testified that more than a month before january 6th she knew the election had not been stolen. ivanka trump is also a key witness to the events on january 6th itself.

not only did she accompany her father backstage at the rally at the ellipse where president trump encouraged his followers to march to the capitol and fight like hell, but ivanka trump was also with president trump ins the oval office in t white house dining room during some of the key 187 minutes that day, the minutes between when the attack started and when trump finally urged his supporters to go home. as the january 6th committee wrote in its final report, ivanka trump repeatedly returned to the dining room to counsel her father throughout the day. each time ivanka trump thought she'd made headway with her father, trump's chief of staff, mark meadows, called to say the president still decided and one point led to ivanka going to kushner's office next door because she needed to regroup and collect herself. so there's a lot to ask ivanka trump about. and it appears also from the

january 6th committee's final report that trump thus far has not been as transparent as she might have been.mi late in the morning on january 6th president trump made a call to vice president pence. trump tried to pressure pence to block or delay the certification of the electoral college results. ivanka trump's chief of staff testified to the committee that ivanka told the staffer that president trump was so upset on that phone call that president trump called pence the "p" word. this is something you would think you would remember. but when the committee asked ivanka trumpmi if there were an particular words she remembered from that call, she responded, no. as for jared kushner's utility as a witness, he was not personally at the white house on january 6th but he was there as a top trump advisor throughout the attempts to steal the election. kushner has thus far been decidedly dismissive about those efforts and their effects. here he isei describing how trump's white house lawyers

reacted to trump's efforts to stay in power. >> jared, are you aware of instances where pat cipollone threatened to resign? >> like i said my interest at that time is i'm trying to get as many done, i know him and the team were always saying we're going to resign, we're not going to be here if this happens or that happens. i kind of took it up to be wining to be honest with you. >> you know those white house lawyers always wining about threatening to resign. so it is news tonight special counsel jack smith maz subpoenaedaz jared kushner and ivanka trump. republicans in congress are already hard at work on their counter offensive. both of the clips i just showed you tonightju of ivanka trump a jared kushner's depositions, both of those clips came from

the january 6th investigation prime time hearings on june 9th. both of them were played during the 8:00 p.m. hour. if you watched fox news at 8:00 p.m. that night you would not have heard thoseyo depositions. instead you would have heard this. >> good evening andha welcome t tucker carlson. it tells you about the priorities of ourls ruling clas that the rest of us are getting yet another lecture of january 6th tonight. an outbreak of mob violence, a forgetably minor outbreak but they've never stopped talking about it. the whole thing is insulting, in fact it's deranged and we're not playing along. this is the only hour on an american news channel that will not be carrying their propaganda lie. >> fox news host tucker carlson has been literally leading the pack in trying to whitewash the events of january 6th. he produced a three part documentary series called patriot purge to try to suggest

it was all a false flag operation, which is why it is such a big deal that house speaker kevin mccarthy has now decided to give tucker carlson exclusive access to 44,000 hours of january 6th security camera footage. and it is not just incredible that speaker mccarthy gave this footage to this specific fox news host but that he gave it to any journalist at all. politico reports that the chief of capitol police and house sergeant at arms, both of them did know not this footage was going to be given to fox news until it was reported this week in the press. every piece of footage the january 6th committee aired was cleared withe capitol police i advance to make sure they weren't compromising the security of the building by either showing where security cameras are or how security responded on that day. and now speaker mccarthy has handed all the security footage over t to a fox prime time hosto

be foxified or whatever exactly happens over there. mccarthy certainly seems a lot less concerned about the safety and security ofle the capitol these days, which is a very far cry from the way he felt on january 6th, at least according to jared kushner. >> i heard my phone ringing, turned the shower off, saw it was leader mccarthy who i had a good relationship with. and he said i'm over at the capitol and please anything you can do. ig got the sense they were -- was scary. >> they meaning speaker mccarthy had people on the hill because of the violence? >> he was scared, yes. >> in addition tos releasing these 44,000 hours of security footage to a right-wing propaganda machine, speaker mccarthy is now fund-raising off this decision. he's soliciting money by declaring that america requires

truth and transparency over partisan games. senate leader chuck schumer today blasted speaker mccarthy for the move saying it posed grave security risks for anyone who worked at the capitol. and this afternoon benny thompson, the former chair of the housee january 6th committ, he gave a private presentation to house democrats about what this all mines. joining us now is benny thompson, the democratic congressman from mississippi and former cochairman of the januar 6th committee. thank you for taking the time to be here. we really appreciate it. and i would just love to get your first thoughts and reaction from the inside the democratic caucus about the decision on the part of the speaker of the house. >> well, thank you very much for having me, alex. let me just say that the democratic caucus in its entirety was absolutely flabbergasted that the speaker would make 44,000 hours of video available v to any news media

without any standards, any protocols, or any notification of leader jeffries or house administration or anybody. democrats just like others heard about it in the press. so that's not how you do it. we put ourselves at risk as a country, as a congress person in the capitol. there are a number of items that our committee put together and we viewed all of this material. we setup a separate section to be viewed by individuals who had been cleared. each one had a password to look. we worked out with the capitol police towi make sure that we d not compromise security at any point. it's clearin now as far as we kw

there's the possibility of security risk because cameras are located in a lot of areas. as you know a lot of us had to be marshalled out of the capitol during the insurrection. all of that is on footage, and it compromises the integrity and security of the capitol. i think speaker mccarthy has someke explaining to do, quite honestly. >> i mean it's awfully strange behavior from a party that purports to be the party of law and order to directly compromise the safety of those who are charged with keeping everyone safe. i wonder if you think this is part of the bargain that speaker mccarthy made to the right-wing members of his caucus who were publicly asking for this footage to be released. do you think this is part of the

devil's bargain he made in early january? >> oh, there's no question about it. i think we'll see some other things over time also that says in order for him to get the speakership, he had to give up everything. and as you know fox news was one of the major networks promoting the big lie. it's coming out in the dominion voting case that they knew specifically that the election had not been stolen but they kept repeating the big lie. and so now you give the footage to the big lie station so they can s do the damage that they he been d talking about all the ti. look, the men and women who protected us, alex, over 150 absolutely, hurt, some still o work, some lost their lives. and the men and women who work in the capitol every day deserve

the best security possible. given this video to fox or tucker carlson or the network is clearly a dereliction of duty of the speaker. at some point he needs to be held accountable for what is clearly something thator puts t security of the united states capitol at risk. >> there's also just -- beyond the security concerns which are grave,on there's also the idea that the speaker of the house is willingly handing over government footage to i -- i mean io don't even want to use the word news to describe what fox is, but a propaganda machine,t effectively, and wha precedent that sets. i mean should other outlets now request this footage, too? is that the way to combat -- what is their suggestion to

people in the media here? >> first of all, we set protocols in place to look at the footage. we worked it out with the capitolut police. we did it in a manner that would not compromise security at all. my understanding is the capitol police didn't know that the i footage had been released, made available to fox until they read about it in the press. that ispr not how you do a security related issue. the chief of the capitol police is a qualified individual. we worked with him. it was a good relationship between our committee and the capitol police. and to my knowledge we never had a single breach of that protocol while we had the film in our custody. >> i have to ask you o because do also have the breaking news tonight that special counsel jack smith is subpoenaing ivanka

trump and jared kushner, their testimony for his investigation. do you have -- what's your reaction to that? >> well, i think our special counsel is i moving in the righ direction. we made available to them all of the depositions and other information that we had gleaned over the 18 months of that investigation. they wanted it earlier but we felt we hadar to complete our work. in that work is significant information. you understand the difference id our work and a prosecutor their potential criminal activity is what they do. we were just a legislative body that were trying to get to the answers that occurred. now if criminal activity had gone on, then i think our special counsel will get to the bottom of it. we gave them the information,

and we wanted to talk to vice president pence. he refused to come to us. the speaker who was the leader ignored our subpoena. otherre members of congress did like wise. i'd like to see what happens when more people get subpoenas. >> i think we all would. congressman bennie thompson, thank you as always for your timeay tonight, sir. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> now let's turn to democratic congressman dan goldman of new york, the attorney for the southern district of new york and served as lead counsel for the firstle impeachment inquiry into donald trump. the fact we have to stipulate it's the first impeachment inquiry, but i digross. congressman, let's start with the subpoenas. are you optimistic they're actually going to have to testify, or do you think we're

going to get into a protracted executive privilege battle? >> i think they've waived executive privilege if they've testified in the january 6th committee. so i would expect them to at least show up. are there goingat to be things that they claim are covered by executive privilege, it's possible. but certainly nothing they've already spoken about they can now claim executive privilege. so i would expect that they will show up. i don't think they're going to litigate this and given their history with the january 6th committee. i think one of the benefits to ivanka trump showing up if mike pence is going to litigate the subpoena and going to drag on and on and on ivanka trump was there for listening to conversations with mike pence.

so the special counsel can get some of that information from other witnesses including ivanka trump. >> she was in the room, a confidant to the president in a way that few others are if anyone else is. i have to ask as someone who was part of the counsel in trump's first impeachment, what sort of protocols are traditionally in place for the kind of material we're talking about, visa vi the security footage as on january 6th? as we focus on january 6th more broadly 6here, the idea the speaker of the house has handed over all this footage to a fox news host seems unprecedented in american history, but i also think in terms of the access, the breach of access that's now happened, i mean, how unusual is this, and, you know, what is the newno normal at this point in terms of security footage and compromisingan security inside e capitol building? >> well, given the security breach that occurred on january 6th it is even more shocking that the speaker would hand over

tens of thousands of hours of surveillance tapes. now, justei think about what th means. it's not just simply that there is the actual footage. you would be able to figure out exactly where all those surveillance cameras are throughout the capitol. and if you, let's say, were going t promote the big lie or promote o propaganda or say, fo example, what happened on january 6th was a minor incident and you wanted today help facilitate future minor incidents, you have a road map for how to avoido detection. this is -- this is a real security issue separate and apart from the pathetic pandderring that the speaker is doing to the extreme right, and as pay back for being elected speaker and trying to pander to

tucker carlson who controls the sort of extreme maga movement. >> it's the activist of the republican party over at fox at news. >> the extremist wing. activist is too reasonable. >> to be active in the gop at this stage means you are probably extreme, but setting that aside for the moment. i mean, i think there are two parts of this that are deeply concerning. one of course is the security part. but the other is what can they practically do with this? it's 44,000 hours of footage. there's a lot in there. can they actively establish a counter narrative, a visual counter narrative that will go against what the january 6th committee has presented to the american public? i mean, do you think that's possible? >> not in any complete way. but remember what we see from these republicans in the current investigations, and i'm on the committee on those -- >> you're on the committee of the weaponization of the federal

government. >> right. and what they are trying to accomplish and they did this a little bit with the impeachment investigation, is a 30-second sound bite that can then be used and spun a web to create an alternative universe. so is it possible that they could cherry pick 30 seconds of video and use that as the basis for a completely fictional narrative? yes, of course, because it's what they do every day. so the possibilities for someone like tucker carlson who has no relationship with the truth is to cherry pick various portions of of it, try to weave it togetherti to try to create a false narrative that can then go through the right-wing ecosphere. >> i've got to ask you because you're in congress and obviously there's a tea party divide mere. the fact kevin mccarthy has not answered for any of this -- the only communication we have from him on themu topic are the fund-raisingop e-mails he's don

now. i mean what's this do inside congress? he's preached something that has never been breached before and maybe put all of your lives at risk. is mean what are the repercussions from congress? >> well, there's not a lot of trust from the democratic caucus for the speaker. i think everyone recognizes on the democratic side that he sold his soul in order to become the speaker of the house. but what it demonstrates is not just a breach of protocol, not just a breach of security, but a breach of the rules, ethics, and practices of the house. the fact that as chairman thompson said he didn't even consult with the capitol police before releasing the capitol police's surveillance videos is remarkable. forget about democrats. if you want to claim, you know, you can make an argument wrong

as it may be it's partisan. he didn't consult security experts about reviewing security footage. as chairman thompson said a true dereliction of duty to the capitol police, the people who work in the capitol, and broadly to the american people. and what can we do about it? nothing directly, but he and the other republicans willt have t answer for it at the ballot box. >> and this is a party that says they black the blue. this is the behavior of a party that says it is the party of law andit order. new york congressman dan goldman, daniel goldman. >> either way. >> thank you for being here. we have a lot to get to your time tonight including one of the most shocking pieces of legislation i've heard about in a long time. here's a hint. remember those gun pins that some members of congress were seen wearing earlier this month? plus republican ron desantis

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when putin sees he can gain an inch he's apt to take a mile and basically if america is not going to give any push back he's going to try to expand russian influence. if we had a policy armed ukraine

with defensive and offensive weapons so they can defend themselves i think putin would make different calculations and have a reaganesque policy of strength i think you'd see people like putin not want to mess with us. >> that was how ron desantis used to talk about russia and ukraine. during russia's 2014 invasion of i'mian desantis was still a member of congress sitting on the house foreign affairs committee and used his position at the time to do what most republicans did back then which was stake out hawkish positions against russian aggression and blame the obama white house for being weak and not doing enough to arm ukrainians in that fight. but that was then. and now ron desantis is a potential contender in the republican nomination for president. he is running in a party whose base has all but embraced vladimir putin and abandoned its support for ukraine. so now when ron desantis gets asked about russia's illegal invasion of ukraine, he says things like this. >> i don't think it's in our

interest to be getting into a proxy war with china getting involved over things like the borderlands or over crimea. the fear of russia going into nato countries and steam rolling, that's not coming close to happening. >> it's part of a growing trend in the republican party. while some in the gop have maintained and congressman matt gaetz has introduced a resolution that would end-all military and financial aid to ukraine. marjory taylor green has called for biden's impeachment over his visit to ukraine earlier this week. and yesterday donald trump released a video for his supporters claiming that world war 3 has never been closer than it is right now and vowing to clean the house of all the warmongers and america last

globalists in the deep state, the pentagon, the state department, and the national security industrial complex. joining us now is a washington correspondent and founding partner at puck news. julia, it's great to see you. >> hi, good to see you, alex. >> so my question is how the evolution of the gop on the fight in ukraine, there was a moment and it was a short-lived moment where there seemed to be some version of bipartisan support for this at the outset of all of it. and i wonder what you think the catalyst for the chilled enthusiasm, which is putting it mildly inside the gop, what the catalyst was for that. is it the length of the war? is it the fact biden seems to be somewhat successful in his strategy? is it just isolationism is an inevitable end point of the modern day gop? what do you attribute it to? >> i think it's important to point out that i think it's still a mainstream position in

the republican party to support ukraine, and i was jury service at the munich security conference and there were a lot of republicans both senators and house members from the republican side of the aisle pledging their support, some house ranking members pledging to die on this hill because it reminded them of the struggle of world war ii because it was just a clean cut battle of good versus evil. as for what's happening on the far right wing of the party i think it has several explanations. one is kind of as america is apple pie isolationism that runs strong in american politics from the beginning of our republic. part of it is trump's embrace of russia and the fact that russia during his administration was seen more of a friend in part because russia tried to help him win the election and definitely

put their thumb on the scale during the 2016 presidential election. putin also very ably inserts himself into our culture wars. even on yesterday when he spoke -- when he delivered his address to the federal assembly, he again invoked a lot of our culture issues. and i think part of it is done to insert himself into the american culture wars, talking about how the war is being waged so that kids don't have a parent number one or parent number two but so that they have a mother and a father and so that ukrainians can't push clear values onto christian russia. i think that really resonates with republicans i think especially on the far right. what's interesting is that on this part of the far-right, they're very uncomfortable taking the fight to vladimir putin because he's a white

nationalist christian leader in their eyes but they're very comfortable taking the fight to china. and i wonder what the difference is. >> and there's no question there's some establishment figures inside the gop that are very much publicly voicing their support for ukraine, but, you know, if you look at republican support for providing weapons for ukraine, for example, in may of last year 53% of republicans wanted to provide that support. january this year that's shrunk to 39%. so it seems like for all the reasons you outlined this sort of semipro-putin rhetoric is really having its effect on the grassroots part of the base. i wonder putin is a very shrewd operator. the fact he's taking a page from the culture war play book is the way you maintain that support with the far-right wing of the republican party. what is zelenskyy's play in all of this? because he certainly can't come out as a -- and he shouldn't have to. how do you combat that because

they both have to care a lot about domestic politics because it could determine at some point the future of this war. >> i think that's why you saw zelenskyy coming to congress in late december and saying this isn't charity. and i can account for what you have sent us, and what you are sending us is helping us win this fight and keeping the fight on our lands and not bringing the war to you. i mean, this constant -- the constant lobbying both public and private that ukrainians are doing is very important because you're right this erosion of support in the republican base is very concerning. pretty much everybody quoted this poll at the munich security conference in private and europeans were very worried about it and americans to go out of their way to reassure european allies because unfortunately as much as europe is committed to this fight they

really still need america to lead them and to unify them, to kind of herd their cats as it were, and everyone is very worried on the other side of the atlantic what happens if joe biden isn't re-elected, what happens if the congressional make-up changes yet again and the people on the far-right gain more power and people and the american public turn actively hostile against ukraine. i think right now it fits an issue that's still kind of people are basically supporting ukraine but don't really pay a ton of attention to it. it shouldn't be too hard to get aid through maybe not in the same massive quantities that the biden administration was able to get it through in the first year, but it is going to be a lot harder and definitely something the biden administration is conveying to their ukrainian counter parts that aid packages are just not going to be the size they were

in 2022. >> the domestic politics have a massive effect on what is playing out in ukraine, and we are all watching carefully. julia, my friend, good to see you. thanks for your time tonight. we have lots more to come tonight including good news for congressional democrats like big historic good news. we'll explain coming up. plus what do you get when you put a gun pin on congressman george santos? the answer is outrageous, and it is next. is next.

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why is that important? because the second amendment is as american as freedom of speech or religion. we need to send a message to the american public that weakening the second amendment -- >> it'sane a quintessential piece of americana. it certainly has. take a look at this map. it shows mass shootings in america dating back 11 years all involving ar-15 rifles.

this isn't even a complete list largely because there's been so many mass shootings involving ar-15s, that a complete list would make it difficult to actually see the map. according to the gun -- sorry, according to the gun violence archive ar-15 rifles have been the gun of choice in about 150 shootings in the past 365 days alone. so, yes, the ar-15 has become a quintessential albeit horrific piece of our uniquely american story. but congressman barry moore's point is that that we should loosen the death grip it has on our culture, congressman moore wants to tighten the death grip. yesterday congressman moore visited a gun shop to basically pledge aliege nsz to the rifle of the united states. he's introducing a new bill that would make the ar-15 the national gun of america. you heard that correctly.

the house of representatives has not yet received the entire text of that bill, but who knowatize may end up winning support from certain current republican members. earlier this month certain house republicans began wearing assault rifle lapel pins, sort of like the american flag pins worn as a show of patriotism. among house republicans supporting the pin was congressman george santos who by the way cosponsored this national gun of america bill with congressman barry moore. georgia congressman andrew collide says he's the one who handled out the rifle pins to his colleagues just days a for a series of mass shootings that left more than a dozen people dead and several others critically wounded. those mass shootings prompted another round of congressional debates about firearm restrictions. collide said he doled out the pins to remind people of the second amendment and the constitution and how important it is to preserving our

liberties, though it is unclear if the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of hp happiness are prioritized in his list of liberties. you should note congressman collide also makes millions of dollars selling military-style rifles, body armor, and ammunition at his gun store in athens, georgia, so it's possible he has more at stake in the debate over gun reform than just the preservation of liberties. as to the bill to make the ar-15 the national gun of america will pass congress your guess is as good as mine. but the question is does it need to? do we need a piece of legislation to tell us the ar-15 is the national gun of america? nearly every mass shooting in this country shows us it already is and there is nothing congress has done so far that will change that. but coming up next there are some bright spots in this new congress, and i am going to tell you about one of them just

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democrat chuck grassy, not to be confused with republican chuck grassly, won election for a statehouse seat by 12 points against his republican opponent. and in virginia this was the front page of the richmond times dispatch this morning, mcclellan makes history. democrat jennifer mcclellan won a special election last night and will become the first black woman to represent the commonwealth of virginia in the u.s. congress. mcclellan's historic victory underscores political change and social progress in the old dominion. just four jen rations ago mcclellan's great grandfather, an emancipated slave, had to take a literary test and find three white people to vouch for him so he could register to vote. both her father and grandfather had to pay a poll tax in order to cast their ballots and mcclellan's own mother did not vote until the passing of the voting rights act of 1965.

it is with that history mcclellan has turned a new page in the state of virginia and by the way she defeated her republican opponent by a staggering margin of nearly 50 points. joining us now is congresswoman elect mcclellan. congratulations on the historic victory. i'm so happy i can say congresswoman elect this time. last time it was not that. >> thank you. it's so great to be here and i'm just thrilled. >> i'm sure you are. and the trouncing of your opponent with uza moment for the history books, and president biden called you last night. and i don't want you to breach any confidences here, but is there anything you can tell us about that conversation? >> well, he actually called before the polls closed because he was in poland and because of the time change wouldn't be able to call me afterwards.

and wished me luck. >> i'm sure of that. and he tends to make good when he makes promises like that especially when there are children involved. >> exactly. >> i've got to ask you how you're making sense of what's going on in virginia, right? it's a state that's changed dramatically demographically in the last several decades. it's a state at once sending its first black woman to congress in the year 2023 but also very recently elected glen youngkin. how should voters outside virginia think of that state in your mind? >> i think, you know, while we're often looked at as a battleground state, at the end of the day people are looking for elected officials that are going to solve problems and focus on kitchen table issues and are hungry for someone who's just going to look at government as a force for helping people

and not, of course, for political theater. >> when you look at the state, who do you think of as your constituents? i would love if you can get as specific as possible because depending on where you are in virginia it's a different group of people. i'll call to everyone's attention "the new york times" reporting on virginia in 2019. once the heart of the confederacy, virginia is now the land of indian grocery stores, korean churches and festivals. the state population has boomed, up by 38% since the year 1990. one in 10 people eligible to vote in the state were born outside the u.s., up from 1 in 28 in 1990. it is also significantly less white. you know, what are the faces you think of when you think of your constituents in virginia? >> well, very diverse. i mean, we are -- my district is about 47% white, 44% black.

and a mix of everything else. but in a lot of ways it's a microcosm of the commonwealth. it is urban, rural, and suburban. and everything from agriculture to state employees, million dollar mansions and housing projects, and i think that voters are looking for someone who is going to speak to them and not leave any community behind, and that's what i've done for the past 18 years in the legislature and that's what i've done in this campaign. >> yeah, i think in many ways they are interlinked, demographically this changing state and, you know, another party very much isolationist, nativists wants to bring us back to a time before all that demographic change. speaking of that on the other side of the aisle you defeated leon benjamin, your opponent, who's an election denier by almost 50 points. the congressman who preceded you

in the seat defeated him in 2022 before his untimely death by 30 points. benjamin would not concede even when he lost by 30 points. so i think you've done us all a favor and established the threshold in which you need to beat an election denier to actually have him concede. is 50% what everyone needs to run up in order to get election deniers to admit the truth? >> well, i would like to think that election deniers would just see reality. but if we have to run it up to 50%, then that's what we'll do. >> that's a high bar, but you passed it. one last question. i mean when you talk about the sort of faces of leadership in virginia, their your fellow democratic congresswomen from the old dominion, from the state of virginia. do you expect to sort of have similar positions on issues as they do? they're some of the most moderate members of the democratic caucus, and i wonder how you sort of see yourself against their politics. >> you know, i see myself as

pragmatic progressive. i think at the end of the day i'm there to solve problems and help people and do what needs to be done and leave no part of virginia behind. i don't know where that would put me compared today them on the spectrum, but i think given the needs of my constituents, i think pragmatic progressive fits me. >> congressman-elect jennifer mcclellan of virginia, thank you for making the time tonight to join us after that historic victory. very good news for the democratic party and the state of virginia. >> thank you. always a pleasure. >> we'll be right back. >> thank you always a pleasure. >> we'll be right back

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