>> is it a house or mobile home? >> it's a house. >> what is your name? >> my name is alex murdaugh. >> okay. did you hear anything or did you come home and find them? >> i've been gone. i just came back. >> was anyone else supposed to be at your house? >> no, ma'am. please hurry. >> we're getting somebody out there to you. . >> i should have known. >> alex, we just heard you say, i should have known.

what are you referring to? >> i said, paul paul, i should have known. >> what were you referring to? >> i was referring to paul paul got so many threats. didn't take it serious. think twice about it. just telling him, paul paul, i should have known. i don't specifically remember saying that. but i can clearly hear myself say that. >> what kind of threats did you understand paul was receiving? >> paul got -- he got the most vile threats. i mean, the stuff that was on social media, i mean, it was --

you couldn't believe it. you couldn't believe it. it was so over the top. truthfully, we didn't think anybody about it. i mean, it was just so crazy that, you know -- people talking about what he was going to get and how they were going to do this and get him. i mean, it's stuff you really -- i mean, we disregarded it. it was so over the top. thought it was so over the top. >> keep going, please. >> okay. what is her name? >> maggie. >> maggie is her name?

>> yes, ma'am. >> okay. when is the last time you talked to maggie? >> hour and a half ago, probably two hours ago. >> okay. you said about two hours ago you talked to them? >> approximately, yes, ma'am, approximately. >> you were asked the last time you saw them. you said an hour and a half, two hours ago. and then she followed up, two hours ago, you heard that? >> i did hear that. i said approximately to her question. >> when was the last time you saw them, maggie and paul? >> right after i took the chicken from bubba.

the video we have seen is time stamped 8:44 p.m., is that correct? >> that's right. >> was it shortly after 8:44? >> it was. it wasn't long after that. you can hear when bubba gets the chicken. it wasn't long after i took the chicken from him that i left. >> then you called 911. there are records of that. do you remember roughly 9:07 or right before 9:07? >> i've seen the records and seen the transcripts, yeah. >> then this is -- but this is some minutes into the conversation with 911 operators, correct? >> that's right. >> knowing everything we know now, was it roughly an hour and a half the last time you saw them? >> it was. that would have been -- the time of however long it took to get

to this point, however many minutes that is, 10:10 -- you look exactly and see what point this is and know what time it is. it's between 10:00 and 10:15. i had seen them around 8:45, a little bit after. >> please keep going. >> do you know what they were doing at all? >> no. i talked to her in person. >> you talked to her in person? >> ma'am, please hurry. >> we're getting somebody out there to you. i'm asking these questions. okay? are you sure they're not breathing? is he moving at all, your son? i know you said he was shot in the head. what about your son?

>> they're not. >> what is your telephone number? >> 942-1227. i'm going back to my house just to get a gun just in case. >> did you go back to the house and get a gun? >> i did. >> is this the gun that you got? and how did you load this gun? what did you load it with, if anything? >> that was a gun, as best i can remember, i believe i got that gun off the pool table where you heard there was some other gun. i think that gun was laying on that pool table. i'm pretty sure it was on that pool table.

it would have been the first place i came to. i was grabbing the first gun i could get. i grabbed a handful of shells out -- that i could get my hands on. i know the gun had a shell in it that i loaded. i know i had a few shells. >> have you seen in this case where there was a 16 gauge shell put in that gun? >> i've seen in the records and i've heard in the testimony that i put a 16 gauge shell in the gun. >> is that a 16 gauge shotgun? >> it's not a 16 gauge shotgun. >> why did you put a 16 gauge shell in it? >> i didn't realize what i was doing. i know you can't put a 16 gauge shell in a 12 gauge gun and not -- i mean, i've been hunting my whole life. i know you can't do that. it's not a mistake i would have -- that's not a mistake i would have made under any

circumstances other than that night. >> why did you go back to the house to get a gun? >> i just didn't know. i didn't know. i don't know. i didn't know if somebody was still out there. i don't know. i guess i didn't know. >> please keep going. >> does anything look out of place? >> ma'am, i -- not particularly

really, no, ma'am. >> okay. >> go back to where he said he is going to my house to get a gun, a few seconds back, ten seconds maybe. >> i know you are upset, mr. murdaugh. i don't want to you get a gun and have a gun when my officers get there. okay? >> back up some more. back up some more, please. >> just to get a gun just in case. >> what is your telephone number? >> 942-1227. i'm going back to my house just to get a gun just in case. i'm about 100 yards to my house. >> you said you were about 100 yards from the house? >> that's what i said.

>> is it further than that? >> as you have heard in the testimony, it's 1,100 and something feet. i said i was 100 yards. >> you were wrong about your estimate? >> sure, i was wrong. >> okay. keep going. >> does anything look out of place? >> ma'am, i -- not particularly, really, no, ma'am. >> okay. i know you are upset, mr. murdaugh. i don't want you to get a gun and have a gun when my officers get there. okay? >> i will not do that. he has been being -- my son had

a boat accident. he has been hit several times. >> do you know who was threatening your son? >> there's too many people. one second. >> you don't know the name of who was threatening him at all? >> my son knows. >> your son knows who was threatening him? >> i have another son. >> okay. >> i'm going back down there.

>> roll to the next tape of the same call. >> 22 hours, 13 minutes, 58 seconds. >> are they close, ma'am? >> i have people coming out there to you.

can you do me a favor and put on the flashers on your car so they can see where the kennels are? do you have your flashers on for me, mr. murdaugh? >> yes. >> okay. i don't want you to touch them at all. okay? i don't know if you already touched them. i don't want you to touch them in case they can get any kind of

evidence. okay? >> i already touched them trying to get -- to see if they were breathing. >> that second clip starts at 10:13. you are asked -- you are told, don't touch them. >> yes. touched them by then? >> is that what you told the 911 operator? >> it is. >> can you say exactly -- during the six, seven minutes, when you actually touched them? >> i know i touched maggie. i touched maggie several times.

i don't think i touched paul paul but two times. >> did you touch one or both of them before you got in the car and drove back to the house? >> yes. yeah. >> one or both? >> both. >> keep going, please. >> okay. i just don't want you to move anything just in case they can get any kind of evidence. okay? your son, you said he had been threatened. did your son make reports of this at all?

>> yes, ma'am. >> he did? >> you informed the 911 operator that paul had made reports of these threats. what are you referring to? >> i just know that it had been reported. i don't know that -- i don't believe there was any formal police reports or that type of thing. it had been reported. i mean, it was well-known. >> were you saying he had filed some official report when you said yes? >> no. i never thought there was a police report or some formal report like that, no. >> do you know whether or not he made some type of report on campus? >> i know he did. >> what do you know? >> i know that there was --

there was a time when he went -- he was asked to come meet with -- i can't even remember the gentleman's name now. i appreciated it so much. i never thought i would forget it. >> was it part of the student counseling services? >> he was the dean of students. anyway, he reached out to paul paul and wanted to talk to him. i mean, at first we were concerned, you know, why do they want to talk to him? i believe i had paul come talk to you about that, because we were concerned. what are they going to talk to him about? when paul and jim got there, it turns out that it was really just -- i mean, they were

wanting to make sure he was okay. you know? make sure he was okay. i know that they were aware of the threats or some level of threats. yeah, i mean, it had already been reported to them. >> keep going. >> what's your son's name? >> paul. >> paul? >> ma'am, i need to call some of my family. >> okay. do me a favor for me. the officers and medics are coming to you. can you put your gun in your vehicle for me? >> absolutely. >> we have them coming. turn on the flashers so they can see you. okay?

you got the flashers on for me? >> i do. >> okay. all right. whenever you see them, put your gun up for me. okay? >> okay. >> how old is your son? >> 22. >> okay. all right. we're getting them out there to you. okay? alex, did you call family after you got off the call with the operator? >> yes. >> who did you call? >> i called my brother randy. i know i called my brother john. i know i tried to call ro-ro. ro-ro is not family. but i called randy and john. i called randy and john. >> you mentioned ro-ro? >> rogan.

we call him -- i called him ro-ro. >> why did you try to call rogan? >> i mean, rogan -- rogan's house was, like, i don't know, as the crow flies maybe 2 1/2 miles, 3 miles. i mean, rogan was like family. >> did you think he was the closest person? >> yeah. i just wanted somebody. i wanted somebody to be out there. >> had you seen rogan's name on paul's phone in any way that night? >> no. >> did rogan answer? >> no. >> did you try multiple times?

>> looking at these records, i believe that i did. i believe some of those are face time calls that are to rogan. i mean, i'm trying to call him. i don't believe that was me actually. i didn't facetime people. i think that's either me trying to call him and hitting facetime or me hitting buttons or hitting the phone. >> in state's exhibit 519, which is the condensed time line done by agent brudofski, there's an indication that at 10:22 you opened a group text message stating, she brought the heat for miami boys. were you reading text messages after you got off with the operator?

>> i can promise you, i wasn't reading any text messages. >> there's also an entry that says at 10:40 p.m., you did a google search or a safari browser search for waleys while your wife and son are laying dead on the ground. did you do that? >> no. it's a restaurant that we ate at a lot of times. we got takeout a lot of times. i'm assuming it was in my search history. obviously, was trying to call people or dialing and i hit that. i wasn't doing any google searches. >> one of the persons you dialed that night a wedding photographer? >> it's a guy named brian white. i saw that on the log.

brian white was in -- what do you call it? contacts that is a videographer that i have used in cases. i haven't used him in two years. he is a good guy. but we're not personal friends. i certainly wasn't calling him. >> what does that indicate to you that those actions on the phone -- how do you account for that? >> obviously, they are unintentional. i mean, i'm doing something with my phone trying to call people. but i'm not trying to call those people. i'm not doing a google search for any restaurant. i'm certainly not reading any texts. >> ladies and gentlemen, a break.

please do not discuss the case. stay put, mr. murdaugh. >> good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. you have been watching breaking news from south carolina throughout the morning. alex murdaugh taking the stand in his own defense in the double murder trial of the deaths of his 52-year-old wife maggie and 22-year-old son paul. claiming that he did not shoot his family members. for the first time admitting he has been lying to law enforcement about not being at the kennels and about his whereabouts at different points throughout the night of the shooting. joining me now, nbc's catie beck in south carolina and danny sovalis and harry lipman. emotional testimony. a very high risk position to take the stand by this defendant who admitted in his opening comments that he had been lying about where he had been that night. >> reporter: andrea, i think he had no choice.

this is a very rare and risky scenario where a defendant in a murder trial is taking the stand in his own defense. it's something we hardly ever see. perhaps something alex murdaugh's attorneys weren't favorable to. i paid careful attention to the language when they called him to the stand. they said, mr. alex murdaugh wishes to take the stand as to indicate this is his choice. he is the client. he is the defendant. ultimately, it does come down to him. he had a lot of explaining to do, which he has done this morning. he offered a lot of details. first off, starring right out of the gate, allegation that he shot his wife or his son. then continuing on to say that he lied to investigators about being at the crime scene very close in time to those murders because he was paranoid, because he didn't trust investigators and he felt this opioid addiction he had made him additionally paranoid and fearful. he said, once i started lying, i kind of had to keep going with

this story. there's been a lot of tearing, sobbing even from the stand as he recounted finding those two bodies, especially it's been the case throughout the trial. so the jury is not seeing him weep for the first time. they have been seeing him weep for the past five weeks. it's clear that they are trying to appeal to the local folks in that jury that alex murdaugh was also a local person, that he was handy around a farm, that he is not speaking in a way of a polished attorney who would present an argument. he is talking like a regular person. i think that's on purpose. i think he is trying to be relatable, he is trying to be human. at this point in the testimony, he is talking about things he did that didn't make sense in the moments he was calling 911 to show a line of thought that he was under duress, he was upset and he was doing things

that, frankly, were inconsistent with the way he would have normally done them. that also is sort of bolstering the defense's case in the sense that they know these inconsistent statements he made to police are coming up on cross examination and they can say, look, he made inconsistent statements when it didn't matter. he was upset. he was under duress. he was taking opioids. that explains a lot of what was going on there. we will see how this all plays out during cross examination. there is going to be a lot for prosecutors to work with. he offered a ton of details just in this short period of time on the stand. they are going to have a lot to pick apart. i wouldn't be surprised to see this extend to tomorrow just because of that. >> danny, you are a defense lawyer. i want to play some. earlier testimony. alex murdaugh was trying to

explain why he dialed all those numbers on his cell when he was calling the 911 call. why did he grab a gun from the pool table that was loaded but put in a 16 caliber bullet? he said he was so distraught that he didn't realize, that he has been hunting all his life, there was a gun and why there was a loaded gun on the pool table is another question. so many things about this. it has been 20 months since the murders. he has been lying this whole time until today to law enforcement about not being at the crime scene at that time. >> it's very telling that defense counsel said the defendant wishes to take the stand. a couple things here, red flags. criminal defense attorneys will tell you this, whether it's a client or defendant or a witness. number one, be aware of a

witness that qualifies details about things that don't matter. things like, i'm always warm and my wife is always cold and this is what we called so and so. once we get to the meat, now we are getting into the actual moment of the crime, he's a little short on details. he has an explanation for everything. that's point two. that's point two which is be aware of the defendant or the client that has an answer for absolutely everything. these answers are usually, it was chaos and i didn't notice, that's why i called the restaurant. i had food in the car frequently. these explanations are not adding that much. they are violating the rule of don't put your client on the stand unless he has information that you absolutely can't get from anywhere else. in a sense, we got his denial in the videos. we got his ideas about somebody else committing the crime from bodycam video. i'm not entirely sure the defense gets anything new out of

this other than his, frankly, garbled explanations which we knew would be -- he would be unable to explain the data. his explanation isn't that compelling to me. is his emotion resonating with the jury? it's hard to say. they may find that persuasive. right now, the reason to call him to the stand isn't quite clear to me yet. that leads me to believe, as you see him there raising his hand and taking the oath, that was his choice, his constitutional right to do so, possibly not his attorney's. >> i want to play for you and harry some of the early testimony where murdaugh admits to lying. >> did you lie to the agent and deputy on the night of june 7 and told them you stayed at the house after dinner? >> i did lie to them. >> did you lie to the agents in a follow-up interview on june

10th that the last time you saw maggie and paul was at dinner? >> i did lie to them. >> in the interview of august 11, did you tell the agents -- did you lie to them by telling them that you were not down at the kennels on that night? >> yes. on june 7th, i wasn't thinking clearly. i don't think i wasable of reason. and i lied about being down there. once i lied, i continued to lie, yes, sir. >> why? >> you know, what a tangled web we weave. >> harry, as a prosecutor, what

would you do on cross examination with that? >> there's so much to do. it's really going to be a field day. i want to echo this. there's something odd about his attorney not simply saying -- making clear it's his testimony but he is very kind of low affect, almost out of it. you want to give a good connection with your client. he didn't have it. my lord, there's so much that's fishy here. besides the things that he is saying that are fishy, there's tons of things that's going to come in about his financial misdeeds and the like that wouldn't have come in had he not taken the stand. there was a case -- he had a beyond the reasonable case because of the absence of witnesses and weapons. all the stuff at the end we were listening to, somehow he is doing a search for restaurant but that was all unintentional.

called this person, no, i didn't really. that's going to be very hard to explain away. the stuff he did with paul, turning him over with a belt and then putting the phone back. all of it seems very discordant. there's so much to talk about now. danny's point about the emotion. we are not in the courtroom. it's a riveting moment. i will just say this. you could already take it either way. it's going to be difficult for him if he is lying to maintain the same affect when it comes to the prosecution and on cross. i have seen witnesses who have a fairly well constructed affect when it comes to their direct testimony, but if pushed a little and they don't cry at the same time, the right time, et cetera. it's not just the detailsaffect >> we will squeeze in a quick break. we will be right back. we will be right back.

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we are back now with continuing coverage of the testimony of alex murdaugh, who is on trial for the murder of his wife and son. joining us again, catie beck, who has been there since the beginning of the trial, danny sovalis and harry lipman. the decision to take the stand, as you have signalled, it was an unusual introduction by his own lawyer. they had significant issues with him agreeing to testify. it's very clear from the judge's prior ruling in this case that once he testifies, he can be asked about all of the financial alleged wrongdoing that's been going on with his law firm and the rest. that would include hiring someone to take a shot at him. >> reporter: right. it is a mountain of evidence that's presented over five weeks. this really does open the door.

those 99 financial crime charges are still pending. those have not been decided. anything he says about that is obviously going to be admissible. it's under oath. he voluntarily took the stand. it does open the door to questions on all kinds of other things, not just the murders. that's exactly why the defense wanted to try and limit that from coming in. the judge saying, i can't predetermine what the prosecution is going to ask, where those boundary lines are before they are stepped over or up to. he said he will be ruling when the defense objects but not setting parameters ahead of time. i do think the defense scored a few points by sort of making alex murdaugh a human person that had a real human social family life. they sort of had him back up to a few days before this murder. he said he spent the night in the hospital with miss-- his ailing father and went to a baseball game and his wife spent

the night at the house. the prosecution laid out this idea that she had been -- that they had distance between them. they put a tight time line up to monday to suggest, is this person who is capable of a double murder of family able to also see his ailing father in the hospital and also visit his mother who has dementia? they are putting these pieces out for the jury to put in. that was effective. some of that is the first we heard of it. >> danny, how did he come across to you, aside from the empathy? how would this appeal to a jury? these are local people in the low country of south carolina. he comes from a long line of prosecutors. that's quite a compound. that's an estate. he is using the affectionate nicknames paul paul and bubba.

it's an interesting, complex appearance. >> he is using this awe shucks manner. but he is talking about estates. he is using their names. most of us, including me, i don't have estates that i refer to by name. that's rich people stuff. on the one hand, maybe that's resonating with the jury. some of the jurors might say, i call my house my house. i don't call it a named estate. that could be going both ways. the other thing -- i have a lot of sympathy for the defense. they are putting on -- they are forced to put on a third party liability case. in the defense business, we call it soddi, some other dude did it. the problem is, they don't have the other dude. they are basically pointing at the state's bad investigation and maybe creating the possibility that some other guy or some other person or persons

was at the property and committed these crimes. i keep coming back to, what is the benefit from putting your client on the stand? i have to tell you, many times i do not know i'm calling my client until the last possible moment. many of those times, i think criminal defense attorneys will tell you, they may think about doing it but at the last minute they say, it's not worth the risk. that keeps bringing me back to this must have been murdaugh's decision. criminal defense attorneys will tell you, those that not a lot of white collar criminal defendants -- that's what murdaugh admitted to being -- they have an answer for everything. if i just have a chance to talk to people, i can explain everything away. look at his history. that's exactly what got him into the financial trouble. he is a guy that thinks he can explain his way out of everything. it remains to be seen if he can pull it off here. >> he is back on the stand. the jury is back in the court.

let's listen. >> do you recall getting blood on you, on your hands or any part of you? >> yes. >> do you know whose blood you would have gotten on you? >> i know i got blood on my fingertips. >> you can differentiate whether it was maggie or paul? >> it was probably both. there was so much blood. >> turns out, there was a drop of blood on the steering wheel, the suburban. do you know how that got there? >> if it was fresh, i put it there. if it was not fresh, i mean, maggie drove my car all the time. i assume it got there from me

touching maggie and then touching the steering wheel that night. >> i think maybe possibly blood on this gun, maybe not. do you know if you got -- transferred blood on anything else that night? >> if maggie's blood is on that gun, then i put it there. i mean, maggie didn't really fool with guns other than put them up. >> did you submit to a gsr examination that night? >> yeah. that's what i was talking about earlier. >> your hands were swabbed? >> that's right. >> your clothes were collected by someone else? >> that's correct. >> turns out, there's gsr on your shirt, on your shorts.

did you handle this gun? >> yes. >> this is item 22. >> yes. i basically had that gun with me until i put it up against my car. when the police officer -- i think it was mr. green got there. i put it against my car. >> i think nolan testified that this is one of the shotguns paul liked to use? >> it is. >> was he meticulous about cleaning his guns? >> paul paul? >> yeah. >> no. when he cleaned it, he was meticulous about it. but it was far and few between when he actually cleaned them. >> your shirt went through

testing and analysis. you were part of this case provided results of that, were you not? >> yes, sir. i mean, i wasn't provided it at the time. i've seen them -- i've seen all these records. >> just let me ask you, did you get on your shirt high velocity blood splatter from being within a distance of shooting maggie or paul? >> there's no way that i had high velocity blood spatter on me. >> had you seen reports that said that at one point in time? >> i have seen reports that said that. >> just to be clear, were you in the vicinity when paul and maggie were shot? >> i was nowhere near paul and maggie when they got shot.

>> after they collected your clothing that night at the main residence, do you remember changing -- do you remember what you changed into? >> do i remember? >> yeah. >> i know i changed clothes. i have learned since then that what i had on -- >> you don't remember? okay. >> i don't remember that at all. i understand i had on athletic shorts and a t-shirt. >> other people have talked about this. i'm not going to repeat it. where did you spend the night or where did you go to after leave ing mozel when you left for the evening? >> we went to my mom and dad's

house. we stayed there. >> who went with you? >> i believe that bus and brooklyn and i rode together. john marvin might have been with us. i know john marvin stayed with us. i don't know if he rode in the same car we rode in. i know i rode with buster and brooklyn. i know that for a fact. >> the next morning, what did you do? we are talking about daylight hours on june 8th. what did you do? >> we basically got up and came back to mozel. >> do you remember roughly what time? >> i don't remember. i don't remember what time. there's things i remember about that morning, but i don't remember exactly what time we left. >> we will get to this in more detail. but during that period of time,

is it hard to remember times, what time things started and stopped and how long things took? >> it's hard to remember. looking at these time lines and all these records, i mean, it sure helps. to just do it off the top of my head is very difficult. >> we will get to more of that. when you went back to mozel on the morning of june 8th, did you -- do you know whether you took a shower there or took a shower at almeda or at all? >> i know we took a shower at mozel. i did not take a shower before i left almeda. we basically got up and went to mozel. maggie's mom and dad -- >> they were there? >> they were coming.

tell them, see them. we got up and we got up from almeda and we got up and we went to mozel. >> do you even recall s.l.e.d. coming in and searching the house for anything on the 8th? >> i knew -- i knew they were doing it, yeah. i knew they were doing it. i don't remember -- i wasn't out in the gun room and see all that video and all that. but i knew s.l.e.d. was coming in there. we made the house available for them to come in there. i mean, i can't tell you details. but, yeah, i remember it. >> did you at one point just

tell s.l.e.d. they had cart blanche to search anywhere. >> i told them they could do anything, anywhere, any time they wanted to, anything to do with me, my property, my cars, even though i didn't own the cars i would get my law firm on the cars. whatever they wanted, they were welcome to. >> d you have any discussions with david owen or anybody at s.l.e.d. about consenting to general motors to get that off the car? >> every time that i talked to david owen, i would ask him about getting onstar data and gps data from phones. >> why was it important to you to get onstar data and gps data from the e? confirm where i wasg i went, what i did, gps.

you know, at that point in time, i knew that maggie's phone had been taken. and i knew that my suburban and my phone and my suburban and my and maggie's phone never crossed paths and that was extremely important to me, and i asked him about it every single time we talked, every single time. >> and speaking of maggie's phone, did you know her password to her phone? >> yes, i knew her password. >> did you know her password to her computer? >> yes. >> did she know your password? >> yes. >> okay. and when maggie's phone was located on the side of the road, did you provide s.l.e.d. the

password to her phone? >> i did. i think i actually provided it to john marvin who provided it to s.l.e.d., but i'm the one who gave it to them. >> and to your knowledge, did maggie have location services on her phone, she used them frequently? >> all the time. one of maggie's things that she liked to do was -- there's an app called find my friends that you can see what other people are doing, and they can see what you're doing, and maggie loved me, bust, pawpaw, brooklyn, grandma, papa t. marion, the

three girls, lizzie and there were a few others, but the people that were closest to her she had them all in her phone, and she loved to look at that phone and see where people are, and she loved to surprise you, like say you're at walmart, she looks on there, and she'd love to text you get me a tv from walmart or something, you know, like she'd follow you and see where you were. she used it all the time. and so you know, i just knew that there would be gps data on maggie's phone. >> when you're being interviewed on the night of june 7th and again on june the 10th, what was your understanding as to whey they were interviewing you? why were you being interviewed. >> on june the 7th and june the

10? >> yes, sir. >> what was question again? >> what is his understanding of why s.l.e.d. was interviewing him on the night of june the 7th and again on june the 10th? >> and the basis for the objection? >> 401 and 402, your honor. >> what do you mean? >> relevance, your honor. his understanding is not -- >> response. >> well, i can -- it goes to his, you know, his -- it goes to his state of the mind, that's what it goes to. >> objection sustained. >> why was it important to you to be able to get data from the

suburban? >> i knew since i was the person who found papa and mags that i was a suspect, i mean, they kept talking about this circle. i mean, i knew that. it was very important for me to find that. to get that. >> and what was your belief as to that information, what would it have done for you? >> there's no question in there that it would demonstrate that i couldn't have done this. >> when was that data from general motors off of that suburban finally obtained? >> it was either this past saturday or the saturday before that according to what was said in the courtroom. >> during this trial? >> absolutely.

>> and to your knowledge, was gps data able to be located off maggie's phone? >> not to my knowledge, it was not able to be gotten. the system was in here that it couldn't have been gotten. it only went back to june the 9th. everything before that was erased on maggie's phone. >> now, when -- starting june the 8th when -- did a lot of people come to support you, be with you on june the 8th? >> on june the 8th? like the next day? >> right. >> yes, sir, a lot of people. and you mentioned maggie's

parents and family came as well? >> yes, sir. >> from that moment june 8th, when folks, family came and you met with them, were you left alone by any of your family members? the rest of that week. >> no, i was attached to buster at the hip. but i mean -- >> what happened on june the 10th?

besides being interviewed by s.l.e.d. >> my dad died. my dad passed. >> and where did you stay and with whom did you stay on the night of june the 8th, the night of june the 9th, the night of june the 10th? >> on the night of june -- you asking me to start on the 8th? >> the 8th, yes, sir. >> starting on the 8th, i stayed with buster every night, and as long as brooklyn was there i stayed with buster and brooklyn, but we stayed with -- i'm pretty sure that's beginning on the 8th. i know the 7th we stayed at alameda, and i believe on the 8th we started staying at john marvin and lizzie's at greenfield, which is -- >> how far is greenfield from

alameda? >> at the crow flies, it's less than five minutes. a few minutes away. >> and who stayed there, did john marvin and his wife liz stay there as well? >> yes, john and lizzie. john and lizzie stayed there and their kids, bust and brooklyn and i. i know bubba and -- well, lizzie's mom and daddy stayed there. and my daddy's best friend and his wife came in there. i believe they came before my daddy passed. i know they came after he passed and stayed there. >> and how many nights do you recall staying there at greenfield? >> so, i stayed at greenfield.

the 7th was a monday. i stayed tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday, and sunday at greenfield. i know that for a fact. >> and maggie and paul's funeral was saturday, is that right? >> i heard that in this courtroom say that it was saturday. >> the memorial services? >> the funeral was on friday. >> oh, it was on friday. >> i know that for a fact too. >> and then your father's funeral was on sunday? >> my father's funeral was on sunday, and it was my -- it was my father's funeral, i forget the term but sunday, i mean, that's when -- that's when we put pau-pau and mags, that's

when we buried them. we didn't bury them when we had the service on friday because i don't think they were done. that's when we buried them along with my dad on sunday. >> and alex, what'd you do the following week, that monday, tuesday, wednesday? >> starting when now? >> so the day after your dad's funeral. >> on monday i went to -- i went to grandma and papa t.'s somerville. >> at some point monday -- >> in the afternoon, you mean what did i do when i got up that morning? >> where did you stay? >> we stayed at greenfield sunday night, so we woke up at greenfield on