an effort to get beneficial legislation and as a result, beneficial rules for ftx to operate its business. one of the additional charges today, chris, was running an unlicensed money transferring organization, crossing money over state lines without having any sort of a license. you and i couldn't set up a bank in case this tv thing doesn't work out and start moving people's money around. there's rules against that, and prosecutors say that he, in fact, broke those rules. bankman-fried has said on numerous occasions he's not guilty of criminal conduct. he's pleaded not guilty in court. he says he's made some mistakes but it wasn't anything criminal. multibillion dollars of fraud alleged here, and we'll be following this closely. >> i'm the last person you would want to set up any kind of financial situation with. tom winter, thank you so much for that. just moments from now, alex

murdaugh expected to be back on the stand. what questions could he face under cross-examination. we'll bring you the trial as soon as it starts up. a key house committee set to begin a field committee about the humanitarian crisis at the board hours from now, is it information gathering or a political stunt. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc you know it's from the most reliable 5g network in america? (vo) when it comes to your business, not all bars are created equal. so switch to verizon business unlimited today. your heart is the beat of life. if you have heart failure, entrust your heart to entresto, a medicine specifically made for heart failure. entresto is the #1 heart failure brand prescribed by cardiologists. it was proven superior at helping people stay alive and out of the hospital. heart failure can change the structure of your heart, so it may not work as well.

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you're right, they got a tour of the border in yuma. they will do one of their first field hearings on the issue just a few hours from now, a reminder, underscoring what we knew, immigration is going to continue to be a focus and a hot button issue for this republican majority. nevertheless, here's what jordan told me just a little bit ago, watch. >> when you do see that numbers are coming down when there's further restrictions being put in place, that is a positive sign? >> it's a small step in the right direction. god bless him for doing something worthwhile because for two years, they intentionally did things for the terrible situation we have. >> reporter: when he's talking about god bless them for doing something, he's referencing in part the new caps and restrictions put on eligibility for people to claim asylum when they come to this country. that has the white house in hot water with democrats and advocacy groups. the fact that jim jordan is

lending his voice, a good idea, some progressive sources say it shows just how quickly the biden administration should reverse course here. nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact that jim jordan is continuing to say that the head of the department of homeland security, alejandro mayorkas, jordan echoing that he thinks mayorkas has done impeachable things with what he calls a dereliction of duty. he didn't go into detail, what he thinks is impeachable, but it's a sign of what we could see over the next few months as the republican majority tries to flex its muscle, trying to call witnesses before them, but also in potentially pursuing impeachment charges against key figurings in the biden administration. >> allie vitale, thank you for that. a brand new maris poll shows half of democrats think their party has the best chance of winning the next presidential election with joe biden at the

top of the ticket. that is up 12 points in three months. things aren't so rosy for former president trump. 54% of republicans now say the gop has a better chance in 2024 with someone else as the party's nominee. joining me now, mark murray, senior political editor for nbc news, susan del percio is a republican strategist and msnbc political analyst. mark, what do we make of this? that's a big bump, 12 points, is it post state of the union, what do you make of these numbers? >> yeah, chris, i think the state of the union has played a role. it's worth noting that this pole that npr, pbs and maris ended up produce, came just after president biden's state of the union address, as well as what was a lot of favorable coverage of his remarks, where he ended up jousting with congressional republicans. and of course going into the president's big overseas travel.

but we do find that more democrats are firmly in president biden's corner than they had been, and it's a very good place to be as this 2024 presidential season begins to kick off, and it's important to note that president biden has not announced his plans for what he's going to do in 2024, but all expectations are that he'll be seeking a bid for reelection. >> susan let's talk about the republican side of this poll, and, you know, former president trump has a lot of core support, many of the people who were at the border where allie is are among those people. his favorability is down to its lowest point since september of '16. pretty much on par for ron desantis. what message does that send? >> people are tired of donald trump, even his supporters, people who voted for him in 2016 and 2020. it's time to move on. and people don't want a trump

light. they want something new, something different. >> his polls wouldn't suggest that because i mean, ron desantis isn't exactly a moderate. many of the policies he's gotten in place in florida are exactly what donald trump has talked about. >> but he's not talking about the things that donald trump is talking about. he isn't donald trump, and that, you know, for the last two years, all donald trump has done is talk about donald trump and been, you know, a grievance, you know, speech of grievances in talking about 2020. donald trump doesn't want to move on. people in the republican party do. they say we like you, but we don't want you to run again. >> maybe you heard that the current head of the ntsb who, by the way, got on the board from donald trump and then was moved up sounds pretty upset about the politicalization of what's happening in east palestine, and donald trump obviously was there yesterday. while a lot of other folks are going to places like ohio, what

do you make of his moves so far, which frankly aren't a lot of moves because he hasn't exactly been out there much? >> he hasn't. and his visit to ohio was really disruptive yesterday. a school had to close, things like that. that's not exactly how you bring good faith. you could have sent the water, the trump water that he bragged about. what's more important, i think donald trump went because he wanted to change the story. the news coming out of the georgia grand jury is very alarming to trump. he also knows that the special counsel is moving on at a very quick pace. i think donald trump just wanted to change the story, and he doesn't want to get caught up in the political mix of iowa or new hampshire because he's just not ready for it yet. >> in less than ten minutes, alex murdaugh is expected to resume testimony as the court's lunch break wraps up. we'll bring that to you live as soon as it begins. s up we'll bring that to you live as soon as it begins. my turn.

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we want to bring you now the story of one 6-year-old ukrainian boy who's seen the worst of war. vlad lost his mother to stress and starvation as the family sheltered in a basement in bucha. our team met him on the day his mom was laid to rest nearly one year ago. nbc's erin mclaughlin went back to bucha to see how vlad and his family are holding up. what did they tell you? >> reporter: well, their hearts are broken, chris. two boys are without her mother, a husband without his wife. they're doing their best to move forward, but the marina is always there. in bucha, vlad is back in school now that it has partially reopened after being bombed during the russian invasion. at midday, his dad picks him up. but vlad doesn't want to leave. he loves to learn that much.

this little boy has become too familiar with heartbreak. last year, vlad survived the russian invasion and occupation of bucha. with his half brother and his dad. but his 34-year-old mom did not. they say marina died of stress and starvation, hiding from the bombs in the family's basement. they were forced to bury her in back of their apartment block. every day, if the bombings allow, vlad would visit his mom's makeshift grave. we were in bucha last april shortly after the russian retreat. his dad had marina's body exhumed from their backyard and laid to rest in a city cemetery. vlad told us he remembered what happened to her, and how ukrainian soldiers saved them from the russians. ukraine is strong, he says.

>> you're very strong. ten months later we meet vlad on his walk home from school. how are you doing? how was school? with russian missiles still a persistent threat. vlad's dad tells us he's worried the war has his boys growing up too soon. they're doing their best to cope with the loss of marina. what was marina like? she was a very beloved person. it's difficult. i miss her, he says. vlad tells me he's a day away from his 7th birthday. they share a video created to mark last year's celebration. is that your mom? they had no way of knowing that birthday would be their last with marina, but vlad says he

remembers. vlad's dad told me that he's still scared with all of these missile strikes, but the family can't leave ukraine because of ukraine's martial law currently in place preventing men between the ages of 18 and 60 from leaving the country, they're forced to stay and wait for the end of the war. chris. >> erin mclaughlin, what a beautiful story. thank you so much, and so glad you're staying in÷# touch with e family. keep us posted. we want to go back into that courtroom, alec murdaugh, the jury has come back in. the judge is there, let's take a look. >> mr. murdaugh, i want to go to june the 7th, 2021, in your meeting with james sekinger. >> do you remember meeting ms.

secinger. >> janie, griswold had come and asked me about the fee check in the fares case, and jeanie was coming to me and saying that she was following up on that. if she did it, she wouldn't be doing her job, and asked me some questions. >> let me ask you -- >> which i understood. >> briefly, the fares fee, what original happened to it? the pmpd portion of the fares fee. >> originally? >> yes, sir. did it come to you directly? >> yes. >> should it have come to you directly? >> no. >> okay. did -- when ms. secinger asked

you about where the fee was, what did you tell her? >> i can't remember exactly what i told her, the conversation got interrupted very quickly, but i told jeanie the funds were in chris wilson's account and nothing to worry about. i didn't know where the mix up come from. >> what was your level of concern about the inquiry to you on june the 7th. >> there was some level of concern because she was asking me about money i didn't have. i had some level of concern, but it wasn't a very big concern. as you heard testimony earlier, at some point annette griswold had sent chris wilson an e-mail, something to the effect of alec thinks he has more expenses or

something like that seeking financial documents from chris wilson. when chris wilson -- i wasn't copied on that, but when chris wilson got that, chris wilson called me up and he's like, what is this all about. >> objection rules 1. >> i'm not ask what chris wilson said. i'll move on and accept objection. were you concerned about chris wilson opening his trust account records to your law firm? >> no. i was not concerned about that at all. >> and why were you not concerned? >> i knew that one of the people that chris wilson -- as you heard, chris wilson and i were very close. we talked every day. i did work with him all the

time, and, i mean, he was one of the people closest to me in the whole world. i knew everything about him. and i knew he was going through one of his partners and he and his partner had split up, a partner and an associate had moved to a firm in charleston. the partner was going through a divorce and the wife of the partner was trying to get chris wilson's trust documents in that case to find out money her husband -- didn't have anything to do with chris and i or anything. it totally had to do with -- but i knew that chris wilson was not going to send any financial documents to my law firm, at least at that time, and at least not at any time soon. while i'm sure it registered with me that i got to deal with

this. at that particular time, it wasn't anything that was a big deal. >> was there an immediate urgency to the situation on june the 7th? >> no. >> and i believe there's -- ms. seckinger testified about your conversation with her. you learned your dad was going back in the hospital. >> that's correct. that was a text. i can't remember if that text came from my brother randy or my brother john but they were the ones that were taking my dad back to the hospital that day, and whichever one was with him, i believe it was john that was with him at the hospital, randy sent those documents. bottom line is we got a text saying we knew my dad was really sick. he had cancer, and he couldn't breathe, and there was a big issue about whether his inability to breathe was coming from an obstruction caused by the cancer, which was the worst case scenario, and that's what

it ended up being ultimately, and that's what he died from, but this particular text was saying, okay, we're putting him back in the hospital. the doctor thinks it's pneumonia, which was, you know, i mean, pneumonia is never a good thing, but compared to cancer, at that time, pneumonia, that was a good thing to learn that. >> on the 7th, with the information you had, you believe at that time that the prognosis was pretty positive for your father? >> well, it was better than the alternative. i'm not going to say it was good but it was better than the alternative and what we had previously thought it was. it didn't stay good very long, but it definitely was better. >> do you know whether or not you told ms. seckinger that your dad's condition was terminal on the 7th?

do you remember whether you said that or not? >> no, i wouldn't have said that at that time. and as soon as the thing comes through that my dad's going in the hospital, jeanie and i as you heard, she stopped the meeting. it lasted a couple of minutes. now, my dad's going in the hospital, and the very next day we learned that he's terminal, and i'm just sure that a year or the amount of time that's gone by, jeanie assumed he was terminal. >> speculation, your honor. >> objection is overruled. >> mr. murdaugh, on june the 7th, did you believe that your financial house of cards was about to crumble? >> on june the 7th? >> yes, sir.

>> absolutely not. >> had you had -- i think there's a document in evidence the state introduced, had you reached out to russell from state bank about extending a line of credit on the mozell property. >> i had reached out to him. i can't remember the date of that text, but it was fairly recently. i had reached out to russell. >> and on june 7th, did you have equity in the mozell property, you and maggie had equity in that property? >> sure. and, i mean, mozell was fully in maggie's name. >> okay. so, but, yes, there was equity in mozell, in looking at the documents that had been used, there was a million $800,000 owed.

there was an appraisal for 3.3 million without timber value, and so on 1700 acres, you know, i don't know what timber value was, but if you just set a thousand dollars an acre, that would be another million something in value over and above the appraisal. i doubt the timber value was that high. i'm using that as an example. if it was 500 it would be another $800,000. there was several million dollars of equity in that mozell property. >> and did you have equity until the edistow beach house. >> yes. >> how much equity did you have in it? >> if i remember the records correctly there was about $250,000 owed on that house. and whatever the value was at the time.

i think there's a contract for just under a million dollars. so 700 and something thousand dollars. >> did maggie's death make it more difficult to obtain financing immediately after the murder around june 7th, 8th? >> maggie's -- yes. >> how so? >> because the entire mozell property was 100% in maggie's name. the edisto property was 50% in maggie's name, so i was only a hatch owner. so with maggie, all i had to do is get her to sign the documents, which she always did. i mean, she didn't question

finances. so she signed the papers. when maggie wasn't here. there was estate issues. i couldn't go and sign the papers like i would normally go and get a loan. i couldn't. >> okay. >> was there a hearing scheduled in the boating lawsuit where you were a defendant set for that week? >> yes. >> do you remember what day it was scheduled for? >> well, i mean, i've heard the testimony, and i'm sure i knew at the time it was june the 10th, thursday, june the 10th. >> what was your level of concern about that hearing coming up on june 10th. >> about that hearing?

>> yes, sir. >> my level of concern about that hearing was about the venue motion that was coming up, which -- >> what do you mean by venue? >> venue is where a civil lawsuit is pending, and so there's laws and rules that happen govern where you can bring a case. there's laws and rules that govern how certain parties, a defendant or a plaintiff, can go about trying to move it from one place to another. so in this case, the plaintiffs, the beach family had filed suit in hampton county. parkers was trying to move venue to buford county, and i wanted

the case to stay in hampton county. and really that was my only thought about -- i wasn't doing the legal work on those. i was a party in that case. danny henderson was primarily representing me personally, john tiller and amy bauer were representing me personally, and daws cook was representing me personally. those were the guys that were doing the legal work. so i wasn't actually doing that work, but what i was concerned about was the venue motion. i had already done what i had to do for the financial motion, and danny henderson was on me about getting him a financial statement because -- >> let's stop. there was a motion to compel and seek a lot of financial records

for you, is that correct? >> absolutely. >> and were you concerned that your house, financial house, was going to be opened up for the world, also in that hearing? >> no, i've been a plaintiff's lawyer, like mr. tinsley that sat here, we do the same exact thing. in my law firm, the guys at my law firm are some of the best i've known, handled some of the biggest cases that have gone on in this state. in my 27 years of practicing, plaintiffs always are trying to look and get financial documents of corporate defendants, of, you know, of those type things. in my 27 years i've never been able to get a judge to order anything more than a net worth

statement prior to getting into a phase at trial. so early on in the case, i am not aware of -- i personally have never -- despite trying repeatedly, have never been able to get a judge to order the kind of information that mark tinsley was saying he was seeking. >> were you working on a document for that upcoming hearing? >> yes. >> and what was that? >> a financial statement. a financial statement lists your assets and your liabilities. >> and had you reached out to jeanie seckinger, later that day on the 7th to get your current balance of your retirement account? >> you know, i don't remember doing that, but that would certainly be something that i did. because i know i'd have to have that for that financial statement, and the document that i prepared was what mark ball talked about that he found later

in my office. and it was tight -- it was handwritten, ready to be tightened up by, you know -- because of the charges against paw, i kept everything close in the civil case, it was danny in his office that was doing it, and i had that document prepared, handwritten in the neatest handwriting that i could make because a secretary other than mine, a paralegal other than mine was going to be the person who was going to put that financial information into the final document, and that's the document that mark ball talked about that he found on my desk whenever it was that he found it. so that was what was going to be -- if necessary, what was going to be used thursday. >> alec, the jury has heard

about testimony of you stealing client funds. did you do that? >> i did, yes. >> did you steal or divert that farris fee away from the law firm? >> i did. >> how did you get