good evening, thank you for joining us tonight. on tuesday, the 4% of the fulton county special jury investigating donald trump and his efforts to subvert the 2020

election, she came forward with a bunch of unusual and unconventional comments that have been tricky bits of information. like the fact that the special grand jury empaneled by the fulton county da, fani willis, the recommended over a dozen indictments. the person named emily corps made a splash, and she sparked a debate within the legal community about her potential impropriety. but today, we heard from the georgia judge who oversaw that special grand jury, judge robert bernie. here's what he had to say on the. matter those grand jurors, including the fort woman, can share some details about their experience. and interview today with the atlanta constitution, judge mike bernie says they cannot discuss their deliberations, but if then assistant da or witness in the grand jury room, they can talk about what happened. that's not deliberations, that's presentation, and they're not prohibited from talking about that nor are they

prohibited from talking about the fruit their deliberations, which would be the final report. so judge make bernie essentially communicated what emily corps did not compromise the special grand jury's work and yet to precisely snow so price, that matchup and his lawyers are not letting that stop them. the former president called the georgia case, quote, the greatest witch hunt of all-time and the process, a quote, a legal kangaroo court. his lawyers called the woman's comments truly shocking. in a statement today, trump's team say that the media tour may have been surprising to some because if it's unprecedented nature but in reality, it's emblematic of the deeply flawed process. now the fulton county district attorney herself set in recent weeks that charging decisions are imminent, which means that trump and his lawyers can purpose all they like about the special grand jury foreperson speaking out, but it does not mean that trump's legal

troubles are going away. in addition to the fulton county investigation, today brought more word that justice special counsel jack smith has been very, very busy in his sprawling, criminal inquiry to the events surrounding january six. first, members of the special counsel team are in court today, arguing for access to pennsylvania republican congressman scott perry's phone records. this comes after investigators seized at the congressman cell phone over the summer. remember, it was scott perry who tried to get the trump administration to install election denier jeffrey clark as acting attorney general in the final weeks of the trump administration. he also pushed the trump administration to investigate the truly wild election fraud conspiracy theory, which involved italian defense contractor using military satellites to somehow flip votes from trump to biden. so that is the man who self funded justice department wants access to. that is why they were in federal court today. that is not all that the

justice department has been up to in its massive january six probe. it has been exactly two weeks since we've learned that the doj subpoenaed former vice president mike pence for his testimony, and it's been just one week since we learned that jack smith's team reportedly subpoenaed former white house chief of staff, mark meadows. and just last night, the new york times is the first to report that jared kushner and ivanka trump, they too were subpoenaed by jack smith. now, about that mike pence subpoena. the former vice president said last week that the subpoena was, quote, unconstitutional and unprecedented. today, cbs news is reporting the special counsel and his team are going to court to try to enforce that subpoena. here is the lead. federal prosecutors have asked the chief judge in washington, d.c.'s federal court to compel former vice president to comply with the grand jury subpoena and testify as a witness in the special counsel jack smith's investigation into the events surrounding the january 6th attack on the capitol.

that is according to three people familiar with the investigation. the motion to compel testimony ask the court to uphold the subpoenas legal authority and indicates the justice department prosecutors are moving quickly in their attempt to get pence before a grand jury. when it rains, it pours. joining us now are michael schmidt, washington correspondent for the new york times, one of the reporters who broke the news about the justice department special counsel subpoena jared kushner and ivanka trump and of course, author of donald trump versus the united states, inside the struggle to stop the president. and joyce vance, former district attorney for alabama and co-host of sisters in law podcasts. thank you for joining me this evening. michael, i want to start with you. you broke the news yesterday for a lack of a better term -- how are you reading the special counsel special actions in recent weeks? >> i think the biggest takeaway that i had was the it really makes a difference, and this is

sort of obvious, when donald trump is not present when the way the investigation unfurls. you did not see this move aggressive so that people would not say that it was not aggressive. to this degree, subpoena a member of trump's inner circle and family members during, say, the mueller investigation. they had to come in, did not at the court before a grand jury. it was less formal and less likely to be publicized. in this case, jared kushner and ivanka will go into a grand jury room without their lawyers. they will be there just with the prosecutors and grand jurors. and on top of that, they already have established testimony that they cannot deviate off of based on the congressional investigation that they already cooperated with, that donald trump allowed them to cooperate with and did not try to stand in the way of

them talking to investigators, so it's a different situation. there is more potential things that could go wrong. it's more serious. obviously, it's serious if you come in and are interviewed by anyone in an investigation, but it just shows that they don't really care. it makes you wonder -- >> he's not president anymore! >> it makes you wonder how much the mueller team did care and other investigations that went on at the justice department, the michael cohen investigation, other things that came up. they certainly acted different then than they did now. to me, that's an interesting contrast. >> joyce, it's hard to exert executive privilege if you're not the chief executive anymore. joe biden is not going to exert a sensitive privilege here, so worth you see the legal argument going here given the pence subpoena, jared and ivanka, mark meadows? >> so the first thing that is important to understand about

privileges is just because there is a privilege -- people in the president or senate, let's say theoretically, that that exists, it does not cover everything that that person does. just because you have that status does not mean, for instance, that you can go off and planned a murder and not have to testify about. i think the first hurdle that all of these folks will face is showing that the conversations that jack smith wants to have them testify about, the acts that he wants to have them testify about are things that are covered by privilege. the time has come and gone for executive privilege for one thing. both jared and ivanka and both testified before the january six committee. it's not, perhaps, a full waiver, but it's something close to it, and executive privilege appears to have been litigated in the d.c. courts with many people who were from trump's inner circle, from pence's inner circle already testifying. so i think jack smith will win these battles.

the interesting question is, is he issuing this entire rush of subpoenas because he's ready, he's and stage, he needs the final witnesses, or is he doing it now knowing that there may be court battles that might take a little bit of time, and he wants to set this up so that a few months down the road, when he is ready, the legal issues have been sorted out? i think that is interesting question that we don't know the answer to. >> joyce, do you have a theory on the? traditionally, the big fish come later in the season, if you will. you are not going for the inner most circle at this stage at the game. but from all outset assessments, the seems like the beginning at the doj's -- the most muscular part of the investigation. >> this is such a hard one to call, alex. for one thing, you do have some of these folks testimony already transcribed by the january six committee available to federal prosecutors, so maybe in that sense, they're marketable talking to them, but

i think you're on the money. these are late stage witnesses. for instance, with jared and ivanka boat, perhaps they give prosecutors evidence that donald trump had this specific intent to interfere with the certification of the vote, but you know, they already have them from other sources. there is a lot of different testimony and circumstantial evidence that suggests that trump had that intent, which is essential element of proving a conspiracy to instruct a federal proceeding. the reason you had to talk to jared and ivanka is that you have to know if they will say anything that hurts you. did they have a excuse? they have a story about why the former president did not really intend to interfere? you've got to lock him down under oath. as a prosecutor, i don't really want to do that until i know what everyone else is going to say, so i can run out all the possibilities with the testimony and have them locked in under oath at risk a perjury if they deviate in a criminal trial. >> michael, the fact that jared

and ivanka testified to the january six committee in retrospect -- there were sort of signal moments in the hearing, where that tape was part of ivanka, basically saying that bill barr was right, there is no fraud in the 2020 election, but beyond that, the testimony did not make that much -- that was significant, but it was not like cassidy hutchinson moment. do we have any understanding about why they were allowed to testify? why trump gave into his family members testifying given the fact that meadows and pence did not get anywhere near the committee? >> it serves as one of the mysteries of the post trump era where jared and ivanka stand within trump's world? and why it was that they did testify, and are they trying to put distance between themselves and the former president, or are they not? there was this whole back and forth about these reports that they were not going to be part of campaign. trump came out and put a

statement, a truth social post out about it. it's not clear really where they stand and how much loyalty they still have to de-former president, and how that could manifest or may have manifest itself in these different things. to your point, i don't think they're that great of witnesses for trying to get to charges. i am not sure that they really changed the game, but what joyce is saying is that you need to know whether there is something that trump said that could really undercut the investigation because, if you were to go to trial, you would find out at some point with that is. the jury certainly would. you would need to assess that and say, well, if trump did say this behind closed doors and it does work the case, we need to know that. >> right, they're beta testing basically their argument with

jared and ivanka if they don't get anything else from them. the mere fact that there is testimony that they have given that they now need to basically abide with the doj just creates a series of problems that you think they would have much rather avoided, not that anyone can really want time here, but if they could, they would not want testified in front of the committee, given the situation that now places them in. i do want to ask you both about the fulton county debate that's happening in terms of emily kohrs's media tour. joyce, start with you in terms of your assessment about how far trump and his legal team can write out the assertion that this was an illegal kangaroo court, not to be confused with a legal kangaroo court. >> look, this argument is going absolutely nowhere for trump. that does not mean he won't raise it. we'll see a form of a motion to dismiss iffy is indicted. we'll see it as an issue on

appeal. here's why it does not have any type. this is the 4% of the investigative grand jury. they will not play a role in indicting the former president. there will not be any taint as a result of anything she had said or has not set. while it shows my prosecutor soul to the court to see the poor person of an investigative grand jury out doing these interviews before any charges have been filed, ultimately, this is just a flash in the pan and legally, it will not amount to anything. trump will make all sorts of arguments about painted jury rules and why he can't get a fair trial. this won't be the most significant evidence in those motions. we'll talk about nationwide publicity for years, that will be a mess, if the child judges, if the trial goes on, that -- her identity is very interesting. this was a woman who did not vote in 2020. she never saw the tape of trump or heard the tape of trump and raffensperger before played in

the grand jury. this suggests that there are objective jurors out there that don't know the facts, have not been following the issues like we all have been, and if they try a case involving the former president and others in georgia, it will be able to conduct a fair trial. >> you can bet -- i agree with you joyce, trump will get as much mileage out of this as possible. one of the things that his lawyers seem to be focused on is this idea -- i have to call it this because this is what it is, the teenage mutant ninja turtle popsicle incident. she talked about this popsicle that she's holding in one hand and she swears someone in as the four women of the jury. she got this popsicle from an ice cream social with the prosecutors office. they are pointing to that as evidence as to cozy and an inappropriate relationship with the jury and with fani willis's office. how much do you think in all of this, the court of public opinion, as far as what trump is going to say what the

matter. if you're a student of trump and trump followers to some degree, how meaningful is this assertion? >> i think that there is something significant here, there are enormous legal questions. this matter will be decided in the court. when you're taking the extraordinary decision of charging a former president, there is a public facing aspect to it that is probably more important in the justice department sense but i think still exists here. you have to as a prosecutor, even if you're a local prosecutor be able to make the argument to the average american and say, look i, i have taken this extraordinary decision because i believe is incredibly important and the evidence backs it up. i am not taking a flocking here for doing something for political purposes. when you have what happened what the foreperson come out and speak the way that she did, i don't think that is a great

way to start that discussion with the public. you want to be in control of that narrative if you are the prosecutor. you want to be laying out to the people and saying, look, here is why we are heading down this path that we never had it down before in american history. i don't think you want that coming out of the voice of a four person who's sort of playing different games and say, well, i answered this question, maybe not that question, in talking about the popsicle and all those different things. if you are going to do something that we've never done in american history at a time that the country, look, is divided in extraordinary, unusual ways, i don't think you want that to be the first person talking to the public about your case. >> you definitely don't want to say the phrase, teenage me in ninja turtle popsicle in conjunction with the unprecedented historic potential indictment of a former president of the united states. i will note that emily kohrs is not speaking to the press very

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arizona think the election was stolen and fraudulent. >> i feel like i understand that is [bleep] crazy. when i've done that, we're still investigating. when you get it to ground, will you come out and say, donald j trump is wrong? the election in arizona was fair, not stolen and not fraudulent? >> i have always been a straight shooter and once all the facts -- john, john, come on, man. >> so, why can't you say the election in 2020 was not stolen or fraudulent? >> i will tell you this, as i said --

>> this is blowing my mind. >> that was arizona's former attorney general, mark brnovich in an interview with jon stewart week before the 2022 midterms. you can see that brnovich went out of his way not to refute trump's claims of a stolen election. his office was even investigating those claims. at the end of that interview, brnovich made a promise. >> when you're ready to release the report, when will that be? do you know? >> sooner rather than later, i hope. >> great, will you go out and vehemently debunked all of those issues, as vehemently as needed? >> absolutely. >> mr. brnovich set as soon as his office was done investigating, he would go out and debunk any false election fraud claims as vehemently as necessary. the only problem is that it turns out mr. brnovich's office had already debunked those claims months before that interview. thanks to newly-released

documents from the arizona attorney generals office, we now know that seven months before brnovich sat down for that interview with john stewart, investigators in his office had already put together their report on election fraud. a report which the washington post notes found virtually all claims of error and malfeasance were unfounded, but mark brnovich did not release that report. instead, he put out a much shorter report the following month, claiming's office had discovered serious vulnerabilities in the election system and left the edits from his own investigators that refuted his assertion. the newly released documents also show how brnovich tried to undermine his own investigators findings and how those investigators pushed back. for instance, in one shot at the report, brnovich's office wrote that the current election system in maricopa county involving the verification and handling of early ballots is brooke, but the investigators responded, we did not uncover any criminality or fraud having been committed in the area.

in that same draft, brnovich's office also wrote the arizona's largest voting district, maricopa county, had been combative and litigious in response to the investigation. investigators replied, again, based upon our experiences, maricopa county was cooperative and responsive to our request. the reason we know all of this is because arizona voters chose to elect a new attorney general, a democrat, chris mays, in the midterm election. mrs. office released the documents showing what brnovich withheld from the arizona republic. she has vowed to stop wasting taxpayer dollars on investigating conspiratorial claims on voter fraud and instead focus on issues including protecting the right to vote and preventing threats against election lurker's. joining us now is arizona attorney general, chris mays. madam attorney general, thank you for joining us. can you please divulge how you found these documents? we're a day in a shoe box in a storage closet? where were they?

[laughter] >> hi, alex, it's great to be with you. they were not in a shoe box. it did take some time to find these documents. you know, we obviously like much of the country wanted to know whether that final or four by my predecessor had ever been prepared so we went through a process of looking internally in our systems at the attorney generals office, speaking with our amazing investigators, i must say. i am very proud of the job to our agents and investigators did on the investigation. the unfortunate part as you noted is that my predecessor mark brnovich failed to and chose not to put out their good work that the banks of these conspiracy theories that proved that we have fair and free and secure elections in the state of arizona, totally clearing maricopa county officials of any wrongdoing.

that information, those two reports that you talk about should have been released before the 2022 election. the people of arizona had a right to know the information, and the people of this country had a right to know that information. >> i know the investigators that he talked about spent 10,000 hours working on this. do you have any idea how much these hidden investigations cost the people of arizona? it seems like it was a good thing that they investigated and found what they did, with the fact that the attorney general at the time, brnovich, buried them, seems a colossal waste of taxpayer dollars. >> it was a terrible waste of taxpayer dollars. we have been able to put an exact dollar figure on those 10,000 man and woman hours. i'll tell you this, it distracted the attorney generals office from fighting real crime and real fraud. here's what you think is truly

sad and terrible about the situation, is that these reports were just sitting there. they were ready to be released. they should have been released, and as a same time, as you know, election officials in arizona were being there and, they were being harassed, they were the subject of death threats. we had county officials who were the subject of death threats, and we had an attorney general in the form of my predecessor who could poured cold water on all these conspiracy theories and maybe at put an end to some of the threats and harassment. going forward, i want to do is protect our election officials, protect democracy obviously and protect voting rights. >> do you have a theory? you rightly pointed out that this is not just about the paper, about the people and lives of human beings that are under threat. do you have a theory about why it would not come clean about what investigators found?

>> i just don't know. i guess i have to lead the two everybody to decide. i think my predecessor will have to answer those questions for himself. it was certainly a disservice to not just the state of arizona, the voters of arizona but also to the voters of this country. we have fantastically run elections in the state of arizona, and that information should have been made available to all the people of the state. going forward, we will be on and transparent with the people of arizona and this country. this kind of thing will not happen again here. >> i know we're talking about the root forward here, so i would love to know whether you have any plans to investigate the not one but two sets of fake electors that tried to effectively undermine democracy and the will of the people in arizona and the 2020 election.

we know that there is a robust election -- do you foresee anything happening in the state of arizona? >> i have said in the past and announced that we will investigate the fake electors. what i am going to take you very serious going forward and looking backward is any attempt to systematically undermine american democracy and a marker see in the state of arizona. i said we will do the investigation. the other thing that i will do is repurpose the elections investigation unit, the elections integrity unit, excuse me. you know, make it a unit that is designed to protect voting rights in arizona and a unit that will protect election officials against these death threats. i have been very clear that i will prosecute anyone who engages in that threats against

election officials on the state of arizona because our democracy depends, absolutely depends on having people come forward and be willing to be election officials and carry out our elections in the state of arizona. >> well, we are very much looking for to your findings about the two sets of fake electors in arizona, given where this country is that in the country. we are headed towards in 2024. arizona attorney general kris mayes, thank you for your time tonight, happy hunting in the rest of mark brnovich's office. [laughter] >> thanks, alex. >> we have much more ahead tonight, including a colorado judge that the club's queue shooter reportedly ran a neo-nazi website, can be charged on hate crime charges. they want everyone to be extra vigilant this weekend. and speaker mccarthy, when he gave up in order to gain power. it's a long list, that is coming up next. coming up next ♪

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the talking, how speaker kevin mccarthy is picking up to defend his decision to hand over more than 40,000 hours of capital surveillance footage to fox's tucker carlson. mccarthy explained to the new york times on wednesday that he released the footage because he

promised and said that the tapes belong to the american public. i think sunshine lets everybody makes their own judgment. releasing this footage to the american public is not the same as releasing it to tucker carlson, but i digress. the promise mccarthy is referring to is actually one of the concessions that he agreed to last month in a deal with a group of far-right republicans, people who stood between him and the house speakers gavel. the holdouts were led by florida congressman matt gates who after the first two rounds of votes went on fox and was not shy about how he felt about kevin mccarthy. >> kevin mccarthy has been in the leadership for 14 years, and he has sold shares of himself to special interests, to political action committees, and that is why i don't think he's an appropriate choice. >> it took two more excruciating this of votes, time to, by the way, none of us will ever get back and several rounds of promises to convince

matt gaetz and is going to budge. many of the promises that partly made of long been on the right wing wish list, kicking congresswoman ilhan omar off the foreign affairs committee as political payback for the previous the motions of marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar. creating a partisan committee to investigate the so-called weaponization of the federal government and idling out plump assignments, including under the house rules committee. and it worked. kevin mccarthy gave the maga wing party enough to win this because gavel, if you can call it a win. and matt gaetz -- >> bravo, speaker mccarthy. this is not an agreement at the beginning of last week, but as the week progressed, speaker mccarthy to his great credit understood that this was important to a great many of us. >> so speaker mccarthy is not delivering for the maga wing of his party, even if it is bad for congress and bad for democracy, even if it is bad for kevin mccarthy because as

he said himself, he promised. kevin mccarthy is a man of his word, except for the time that he said trump bore sponsor buddy for the deadly attack on the capitol and then turned right around and pledge loyalty to trump done at mar-a-lago. and also that time that he told liz cheney that he talked about resigning and then never did. and that time he told his house colleagues that he thought trump was on vladimir putin's payroll before claiming it was just a bad attempt at a joke. other than that, he is totally trustworthy. now, if you were wondering whether you get to see that january six security footage without tucker carlson's edits, the answer is, maybe? speaker mccarthy tells the new york times that he plans to make the footage more widely available after tucker carlson airs his version of this footage for us, because he gave it to tucker first and, well, he is a man of his road. okay, we have a lot more to get to tonight. if it feels like more and more

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to several times that the accused shooter, anderson lee aldrich was inspired by that nonbinary community, the member that? well, actually, it turns out that we discovered last night that anderson lee aldrich, drumroll please, is part of the non-binary community. >> that was tucker carlson days after five people were killed and 17 injured at a lgbtq nightclub called club q in colorado springs and ember. when the news broke that the accused shooter, anderson altered identified as non binary, conservative media had a field day. they used that detail of his identity as a way to deflect from the attention that anti lgbtq hatred could've been part of the motive here that kind of spent may work in the court of public opinion but today in actual court, a carle springs court, the judge overseeing the case ruled that there is sufficient evidence for aldrich to be tried on hate crime charges.

it's a day, a detective involved in aldrich's detailed how not only did attorney speak that aldrich hosted a neo-nazi website costed content like a neo-nazi supremacy shooting training video, but aldrich also used gay slurs and posted an image of a rifle scope trained on a gay pride parade. the fact of the matter is sometimes hate speech does inspire a crimes, and we are currently living in a world filled with hate speech. >> jewish hate messages littered across nashville this weekend. several neighborhoods say they have found fires and mailboxes and driveway. if you feel like you have heard that story before, it is because you have. this past weekend, neighborhoods in houston, texas, eugene, oregon, daytona beach, florida, norfolk, virginia and nashville, tennessee, all had antisemitic fire drops, organized acts of hate, like this, appeared to be happening with increasing regularity. this weekend, chicago police are urging jewish and other

religious communities to be extra vigilant because a neo-nazi group has declared saturday as a, quote, bit of hate. they are encouraging members and like-minded and modules to engage in acts of vandalism, like flyering and posting the -- all this comes one week after a suspect in los angeles was arrested for shooting to jewish man as they left religious services. the police have a laundry list of really disgusting antisemitic messages that the alleged shooter sent in the years leading up to the attack. i am not going to repeat them here, but the one that is worth noting is that at one point, the suspect texted a classmate and image of this antisemitic flyer, one that says every single aspect of the covid agenda is jewish. that is the same style of antisemitic flyer we saw distributed across the country just this weekend. joining me now, is lauren segel, vice president of the anti-defamation league on antisemitism. thank you for joining me tonight.

so how do you make sense of this? let's start first with what happened and what is happening in colorado springs, hate crimes. talk to me about how you define a hate crime. it seems confusing to people, at least the tucker carlson orbit that somebody part of the community can also be guilty of a hate crime because that committee. >> it is not could meet what community he was part of other than what appears to be an extremist community, so somebody that is targeting someone because of who they, love their religion, what they look like, these are characteristics that they can't change. somebody is targeted because of the, that is often a hate crime, so what we saw in colorado springs was just the latest in a series of mass violent attacks by those who oppose their perceived enemies for reasons that a lot of people will never understand, but then we see that the consequences. >> you guys have a new report out on murder and extremism in the u.s.. the results are terrifying. if you look at the chart, you can bring it up.

if you're tracking domestic extremist mass killings in the u.s. by decade, there is 2011 to 2020, and a skyrockets. we are, of course, not done with the decade, but we are already on track with five, and it is the month -- i had to think about it for a second, february of 2023, far from the end of the decade. how are you processing that? what do you glean from this chart other than we are getting worse as a society, quite obviously. >> as a society, not only do we have a gun violence problem, we have a mass killing problem. we very specifically have a extremist muscling problem. when you look at the last 12 years, there have been 26 mass killings like buffalo, el paso, pittsburgh and so on. that is more than we saw in the previous 40 years. a, extremism is being normalized. the narratives that animated are in the public, on social media, the access to weapons by extremists is as easy as it has ever been.

and frankly, i think there is a lack of accountability both from social media companies, from a public discussion. that's is that this type of hate that eminence violence is located in some kind of way. >> how and why as it got in normalized, and what can be done about that because we can't live like this, right? something has to be done to tear out extremism root and branch. if you like we're getting farther from that instead of closer. >> you know, there are so many issues, i think, in our country about exposure to hate without friction, right? the lack of accountability when somebody engages in an insurrection or a hate crime or a violent mass killing, there is somehow a debate about that after it happens. there is no immediate reckoning or understanding of what is happening in the community, and immediately, it is politicized. this is not a person defy it gets this type of hatred. >> i also feel like we have -- there is like a almost pornographic lust for rage, and

this idea that the flyers that we were talking about, the idea that younger people -- that groups of people are going around and during antisemitic flyers into people's front yards, at them, in cities across the country and then trying to grow their online followers do the imagery of these antisemitic acts of terror, what does that tell you about society and the way in which their seasons to be some sick enjoyment in terms of terrorism people? >> we're in a selfie culture. frankly, that culture also impacts and animates the way the extremists operate. when you talk about fires being put on lance of peoples homes our banners been chopped off of freeways or harassment of people like we saw a couple of days ago not too far from the studios here at a theater, showing a play about antisemitism, what they're doing is not just targeting a

community, they're filming it. they're making sure that there is propaganda value, so when they signal back to their communities online, in order to keep people engaged -- by the way, they're also getting cryptocurrency and other money in order to continue to do this type of harassment. extremism, antisemitism and bigotry today is frankly a form of entertainment, and they have ways to make sure that people are constantly engaged. that's why this is such a serious threat. that's why not only the jewish community, the lgbtq community and others feel vulnerable because accountability is far behind our ability to communicate. >> there is not a far leap from during antisemitic flyers to actually engaging in physical violence. what is the day of hate that chicago police are warning about? >> so a couple of weeks ago at atl, we identified extremists want to talk about choose this day tomorrow to do their flyering, their bantering, their protests to target the jewish community, in particular. i will say that this concept of a day of hate, when you look at

the recent past, every day has been a day of hate. this has been a past couple of years of massive amounts of high levels of antisemitism and other forms of hate. this is in some ways not unique but, when you are following up to jews being shot in los angeles, when there are these other incidents occurring, we don't have a luxury to sort of downplayed this is another day. we have to make sure the communities are taking every step that they can to make sure that they are protecting themselves and law enforcement is sending people to make sure that those communities feel safe. >> made their be better days ahead, oren segal, thank you for your time tonight and the work you do for the atl. we have one more story for you tonight as colleagues didn't across florida walked out of classes to protest republican governor ron desantis using them as pawns in his culture war. that is just ahead. that is ju asthead

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ron desantis go away! >> these were the scenes on college campuses across florida today. since walked out, protesting florida governor ron desantis's policies towards the lgbtq community and students of color. -- and issued is focused on diversity and equity, and to restrict courses dealing with race. the walkout was planned after governor desantis asked public universities in the state to turn over the health care information of transgender students, including how many students sought or received treatment for gender dysphoria and their ages. it is unclear why he needs that information. students who walked out of the university of south florida and tampa held signs that read, protect our trans siblings and black lives matter. these are scenes at florida international university in miami. and you can hear them chant, let teachers teach. it wasn't just students today.

>> [crowd chanting] >> representative ana eskamani joined the demonstration in -- governor ron desantis, of course, is one of the top generals in the right wing culture wars, declaring florida as the state where woke goes to die. and so florida has become ground zero for the rights attacks on education we've been seeing it play out in schools like new college of florida, which is in sarasota, and that's where the president of the public level arcs college was recently forced out by a board of trustees full of ron desantis appointees, including right-wing right-wing activist chris ruffo, who made a name for himself in conservative circles with his crusade against critical race theory. i will be heading down to new college should talk to students and educators as they deal with the effects of desantis's policies and we will bring you a special report next week. that does it for us. we will see you tomorrow. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening,