good evening. thanks for joining us tonight. on tuesday, the foreperson of the fundamentalen county special grand jury she came forward a bunch of unusual and unconventional comments and intriguing bits of information like the fact that the special grand jury impanelled by the fulton county d.a., faunae willis, they'd recommended over a dozen indictments. the foreperson made a splash and sparked a debate in the legal community about her potential impropriety. but today we heard from the georgia judge who oversaw that special grand jury and here's what he had to say on the mat. those grand jurors including the forewoman can share some details

about their experience. in an interview judge mcburny said they cannot discuss their deliberations, but if an assistant d.a. or a witness is in the grand jury, he told the paper they can talk about what happened. that's not deliberations, that's presentation, and they're not prohibited from talking about that, nor are they prohibited from talking about the fruit of their deliberations, which would be the final report. so judge mcburny essentially communicated that what emily khors said did not compromise the special grand jury's work, and yet to precisely no one's surprise donald trump and his lawyers are not letting that stop them. the former president called the georgia case, quote, the greatest witch hunt of all-time, and a process of an illegal kangaroo court. his lawyers called the forewoman's comments, quote,

extremely shocking and said it may have been a surprise to some but in reality was emblematic of the deeply flawed process. the fulton county district attorney herself had said in recent weeks charging decisions are imminent which means trump and his lawyers can protest all they want but does not mean trump's legal troubles are going away. today brought more word justice department special counsel jack smith, first members of the special counsel team were ipcourt today arguing for access to pennsylvania republican congressman scott perry emphasis phone records. this comes after investigators seized the congressman's cellphone over the summer. remember it was scott perry who tried to get the trump administration to install election denier jeffrey clark as acting attorney general in the

final weeks of the trump administration and tried to get the trump administration to investigate the truly wild. so that is the man whose cellphone the justice department wants access to. the. that is why they were in federal court today, but that's not all the justice department had been up to in its massive january 6th probe. it's been exactly two weeks since we learned the doj subpoenaed vice president mike pence for his testimony. and been just one week since we learned jack smith's team subpoenaed trump's former chief of staff mark meadows. and "the new york times" was the first to report jared kushner and ivanka trump, they two were subpoenaed by jack smith. the former vice president said last week the subpoena was, quote, unconstitutional and unprecedented. and today cbs news is reporting that the special counsel and his team are going to court to try

and enforce that subpoena. here's the lead. federal prosecutors have asked the chief judge in washington, d.c.'s federal court to compel the former vice president to comply with the grand jury subpoena and testify as a witness in special counsel jack smith's investigation into the events of surrounding the january 6th attack on the capitol. that is according to three people familiar with the investigation. the motion to compel testimony asks the court to uphold the subpoena's legal authority and indicates the just department prosecutors are moving quickly in their attempt to get pence before a grand jury. when it rains it pours. joining us now are michael schmidt, one who broke the news the special counsel subpoenaed ivanka trump and jared kushner and also author, and joyce vance, co-host of the sisters

podcast. thank you for joining me this evening. michael, i want to start with you. you broke the news yesterday about for lack of a better term jivanka. >> i think the biggest take away i had was it really makes a difference that donald trump is not in the way when an investigation unfurls. and you didn't see moves, you know, this degree subpoenaing a member of trump's inner circle and family members during, say, the mueller investigation. it was sort of less formal and less likely to be publicized. in this case, jared kushner and ivaupga will go into a grand jury room without their lawyers. they will be there just with the

prosecutors and the grand jurors. and on top of that, they already have established testimony that they cannot deviate off of based on the congressional investigation that they already cooperated with, that donald trump allowed them to cooperate with or didn't try to stand in the way of them talking to investigators. so it's a different situation. there's more potential things that could go wrong. it's more serious. obviously it's serious when you come in and are interview by anyone in an investigation. but it just shows that they don't really care and makes you wonder. >> and he's not president anymore. >> and it makes you wonder how much the mueller team did care and other investigations that went on at the justice department, other things that came up. they certainly acted differently then than they did now and to me

that's an interesting contrast. >> it's hard to exert executive privilege if you're not the executive anymore. where do you see the legal argument going here? >> the first thing important to understand about privileges is just because there's a privilege that covers for instance people who were the president of the senate, let's say theoretically that exists, it doesn't cover everything that person does. just because you have that status doesn't mean for instance you can go off and plan a murder and not have to testify about it. so i think the first hurdle all these folks will face is showing that the conversation jack smith wants to have them testify about, the ask he wants to have them testify about are things covered by the privilege. the time has come and gone for the privilege. for one thing jared and ivanka

have testified before the january 6th committee. it's not perhaps a full waiver but something close to it, and executive privilege appears to have already been litigated in the d.c. courts with many people who were from trump's inner circle, pence's inner circle already testifying. so i think jack smith will win these battles. the interesting question is he issuing this entire rash of subpoenas because he's ready, he's end stage, he needs the final witnesses? or is he doing it now knowing there may be court battles that will take a bit of time and wants to set them up so down the road when he's ready -- >> joyce, do you have a theory on that? because traditionally the big fish come later in the season if you're not going for really the innermost circle at this stage of the game. but for all outside assessments

this seems like the beginning of the doj's, you know, most muscular part of the investigation. >> this is such a hard one to call, alex, because the one thing you do have some of the testimony transcribed to prosecutors. i think you're dead on the money, these are late stage witnesses. and for instance with jared and ivanka both perhaps they give prosecutors evidence that donald trump had this specific intent to interfere with the certification of the vote. but, you know, they already have that from other sources. there's a lot of different testimony and circumstantial evidence that suggests that trump had that intent, which is an essential element of proving a conspiracy to obstruct a federal proceeding. the reason that you have to talk to jared and ivanka is you have to know if they're going to say anything that hurts you. do they have an excuse? do they have a story about why the former president didn't

really intend to interfere? you've got to lock them down under oath. and as a prosecutor i don't really want to do that until i know what everyone else is going to say so i can run out all the possibilities with their testimony and have them locked in under oath at risk of perjury if they deviate in a criminal trial. >> michael, it fact jared and ivanka testified to the january 6th committee in retrospect, i mean there were sort of snl moments in the hearing where that tape was played of ivanka basically saying bill barr was right, there was no fraud in the 2020 election. but beyond that their testimony didn't make that much -- that was significant but it wasn't like a cassidy hutchinson moment. do we have any idea why trump sort of gave into his family members testifying given the fact meadows and pence didn't get near the committee? >> it's sort of the mysteries of the post-trump era where jared and ivanka stand in trump's

world and why it was that they did testify. and are they trying to put distance between themselves and the former president or are they not? there was this full back and forth about these reports that they weren't going to be part of the campaign and trump came out and put a statement out, so it's not clear really where they stand and how much loyalty they still have to the former president and how that could manifest or may have manifest itself in some of -- in these different things. to your point i don't think that they're that great of witnesses if you're trying to get to charges. i'm not exactly sure that they really change the game. but what joyce is saying is that you need to know whether there's something that trump said that could really undercut the investigation because if you were to go to trial, you

would -- you would find out at some point what that is and the jury certainly would. so you need to assess that and say, well, okay, if trump did say this behind closed doors and it does hurt the case, we need to know that. >> right, they're beta testing baseically their argument with jared and ivanka. it just creates a series of problems you would think they would have much rather avoided and not that anybody can rewiped time here, but if they could they'd not want to have them testify in front of this committee given the situation it now places them in. i do want to ask you both about the fulton county debate happening in terms of emily khors media tour and how trump

and his team can ride out this. >> we'll see it in the form of a motion to dismiss if he's indicted. we'll see it as an issue on appeal, but here's why it doesn't have any teeth. this is the foreperson of the investigative grand jury. they will not play a role in indicting the former president. there will not be any taint as a result of anything she has said or has not said. while it sort of chills my prosecutor's soul to the core to see the fore' person of an investigative grand jury out doing these interviews before any charges have been filed, ultimately this was a flash in the pan and legally will not amount to anything. trump will make all sorts of arguments about tainted jury pool and why he can't get a fair trial, and this won't be the most significant evidence in

those motions. he's talk about nationwide publicity for years, that'll be a mess but a trial judge will have to resolve. but the foreperson herself is interesting. this is woman who didn't vote in 2020. she never saw the tape -- heard the tape of trump and raffensperger before it was played in the grand jury room. this subjects there are objective jurors out there who don't know the facts, who haven't been following the issues like we all have been and will if they try a case involving the former president and others in georgia will be conducting a fair trial. >> i agree with you, joyce, trump is going to get as much mileage out of this as possible. one of the things his lawyers seem to be focused on is this idea and i have to call it the teenage mutant ninja turtles popsicle incident. thee talks about this popsicle she's holding in one hand and swears someone in and she got

this popsicle from truth social from the prosecutor's office and they're pointing to that as evidence of a too cozy and inappropriate relationship with the jury and with faunae willis' office. how much do you think in all of this the court of public opinion as far as what rump trump is going to say will ultimately matter? you're a student of trump and trump's followers to some degree and how meanful is this assertion? >> i think there's something significant here, and sure there are enormous legal questions and this matter will be decided in the court, but when you're taking extraordinary decisions of charging a former president, there is a public facing aspect to it probably more important than the justice department but i think still exists here. and you have to as a prosecutor even if you're a local prosecutor be able to make the argument to the average american and say, look, i have taken this

extraordinary decision because i think it's incredibly important and the evidence backs it up, and i'm not just taking a flier here or doing something for political purposes. and when you have what happened with the foreperson come out and speak the way that she did, i don't think that's a great way to start that discussion with the public. you want to be in control of that narrative if you're a prosecutor. you want to be laying out to the people saying, look, here is why we're heading down this path that we've never headed down before in american history. and i don't think you want that coming out of the voice of a foreperson who's playing different games and talking about the popsicle and all those different things. if you're going to do something we've never done in american history at the time the country, look, is divided in

extraordinarily unusual ways i don't think you want that to be the first person talking to the public about your case. >> you definitely don't want to have the say the phrase teenage mutant ninja turtles popsicle in conjunction with the unprecedented potential criminal indictment of a former president of the united states. i will note emily khors is not speaking to the press very much today or since her explosive series of interviews earlier this week. joyce vance and michael schmidt, thank you both for your time and expertise tonight. really appreciate it. we have a lot to get to tonight like house republican speaker kevin mccarthy. we learned today just how far he was willing to go to get the speaker's gavel, plus a story out of the epicenter of election denial and that is the great state of arizona. a republican who recently vacated office let behind some interesting evidence from his investigation into election fraud. that's next. investigation into election fraud. that's next.

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70% of republicans in arizona feel the election was fraudulent. >> you understand that's crazy. you're still investigating -- and when you get it to ground will you come out and say donald j. trump is wrong? the election in arizona was fair, not stolen, and not fraudulent? >> i have always been a straight shooter. and no, once all the facts and evidence are done. john, come on, man. >> so why can't you say the election in 2020 was not stolen or fraudulent?

>> i will tell you this -- >> this is blowing my mind. >> that was arizona's former attorney general mark brnovich in an interview with john stewart a week before the 2022 mid-terms. and you can see brnovich went out of his way not to refute trump's claims of a stolen election. his office was even investigating those claims. at the end of that interview brnovich made a promise. >> when you're ready to release the report, when will that be? >> sooner rather than later. >> right. will you go out and vehemently debunk all those issues as vehemently as needed? >> absolutely. >> mr. brnovich said that as soon as his office was done investigating he would go out and debunk any false election fraud claims as vehemently as necessary. the only problem is that it turns out mr. brnovich's office had already debunked those claims months before that interview. thanks to newly released

documents from the arizona attorney general's office we now know that seven months before brnovich sat down for that interview investigators in his office had already put together their report on election fraud, a report which "the washington post" notes found virtually all claims of error and malfeasance were unfounded. but mark brnovich did not release that report. instead he put out a much shorter report the following month claiming his office had discovered serious vulnerabilities in the election system and left out edits from his own investigators that refuted his assertion. the thewly released documents also show how brnovich tried to undermine his own investigator's findings and how those investigators pushed back. for instance in one draft of the report brnovich's office wrote the current election system in maricopa county involving the verification and handling of early ballots is broke, but the investigators responded we did not uncover any criminality or fraud having been committed in

this area. in that same draft brnovich's office also wrote arizona's largest voting district, maricopa county, had been combative and lutitious in response to the investigation. investigators replied saying, again, based on our experiences maricopa county was cooperative and responsive to our requests. the reason we know all this is because arizona voters chose to elect a new attorney general, a democrat, chris maze in the mid-term election. maze's office released the documents. she's vowed to stop raising taxpayer dollars on conspiratorial claims like voter fraud but instead protecting the right to vote and breath preventing threats against election workers. joining us now is arizona governor chris mase.

were they in a shoe box, or where were they? >> hi, alex, it's great to be with you. they were not in a shoe box. it did take some time to find these documents. we obviously like much of the country wanted to know whether that final report by my predecessor had ever been prepared so we wept through a process looking intermy in our systems add the attorney general's office, speaking with our amazing investigators, i must say i'm very proud of the job our agents and investigators did on the investigation. the unfortunate part as you noted is that my predecessor mark brnovich failed to and chose not to put out their good work that debunked all these conspiracy theories that proved that we have fair and free and secure elections in the state of arizona, totally clearing maricopa county officials of any

wrongdoing. that information, those three reports that you talked about, should have been released before the 2022 election. the people of arizona had a right to know that information, and the people of this country had a right to know that information. >> i know the investigators you talk about spent 10,000 hours working on this. do you have any idea how much this -- these hidden investigations cost the people of arizona? i mean it seems like it was a good thing that they investigated it and found that they did, but the fact the attorney general at the time brnovich buried them, seems a colossal waste of taxpayer dollars. >> it was a terrible waste of taxpayer dollars. we haven't been able to put an exact dollar figure on those 10,000 man and woman hours, but i will tell you this, it distracted the attorney general's office from fighting real crime and real fraud. and here's what i think is the

truly sad and terrible about this situation is that these reports were sitting there. they were ready to be released. they should have been released and at that very same time as you know elections officials in arizona were being threatened. they were being harassed. they were the subject of death threats. we had county officials who were the subject of death threats, and we had an attorney general in the form of my predecessor who could have poured cold-water on all these conspiracy theories and maybe have put an end to some of those threats and harassment. and going forward what i want to do is protect our elections officials, protect democracy, obviously, and protect voting rights in the state of arizona. >> do you have a theory -- you rightly point out this wasn't just about a pirp, but about people and the lives of human beings under threat. do you have a theory why he

wouldn't come clean about what investigators found? >> i just don't know, and i guess i'll have to leave that up to everybody to decide. it was certainly a disservice not just to the state of arizona, to the voters of arizona but also to the voters of this country. we have fantastically run elections in the state of arizona and that information should have been made available to all the people of the state. and going forward we're going to be honest and transparent with the people of arizona in this country, and this kind of thing will not happen again. >> i know we're talking about the road forward here, so i'd love to know whether you have any plans to investigate the not one but two sets of fake electors that tried to effectively undermine democracy and the will of the people in arizona in the course of the 2020 election.

you know there is a robust investigation happening in georgia. do you envision anything similar happening in the state of arizona? >> yeah, and i have said in the past and announced that we are going to investigate the fake electors. i think that what i'm going to take very seriously going forward and looking backward is any attempt to systemically undermine american democracy and democracy in the state of arizona. and so i've said we're going to do that investigation. the other thing i'm going to do is repurpose the elections investigation unit, the election integrity unit, excuse me, and, you know, make it a unit that is designed to protect voting rights in arizona and a unit that will protect elections officials against these death threats. and i've been very clear that i will prosecute anyone who

engages in death threats against election officials in the state of arizona because our democracy depends, absolutely depends on having good people come forward and be willing to be elections officials and carry out our elections in the state of arizona. >> well, we are very much looking forward to your findings about the two sets of fake electors in arizona given where the country is at and this election and we're heading towards 2024. arizona attorney general chris mayes, thank you for your time tonight. we have much more tonight including a colorado judge ruling that the club q shooter who apparently ran a neo-nazi website can be tried on hate crime charges while authorities warn communities to be extra vigilant this weekend. plus house speaker mccarthy, what he gave up in order to gain power. it's a long list. that's coming up next. power. it's a long list that's coming up next.

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after first letting his fund-raising mailer do the talking, house speaker kevin mccarthy is now speaking up to defend his decision to hand over more than 40,000 hours of capitol surveillance footage to fox's tucker carlson. mccarthy explained to "the new york times" on wednesday that he released the footage because he

promised and said the tapes belong to the american public. i think sunshine lets everybody make their own judgment. releasing this footage to the american public is not the same as releasing it to tucker carlson, but i digress. it's actually a concession he agreed to in a deal with far right republicans, people who stood between him and the house speaker's gavel and matt gaetz after the first few round of votes went on fox and was not shy about how he felt about kevin mccarthy. >> kevin mccarthy has been in leadership for 14 years and he's sold shares of himself to special interests, to political action committees so that's why i don't think he was an appropriate choice. >> it took two more excruciating days of votes, time none of us will ever get back, and several rounds of promises to convince matt gaetz and his gang to

budge. many of these promises mccarthy made have long been on the right-wing wish list, kicking off ilhan omar off the foreign affairs committee, creating a partisan committee to investigate the so-called weaponization of the federal government, and doling out assignments including seats on the house rules committee. and it worked. kevin mccarthy gave the maga wing of the party enough to win the speakers gavel, if you can call it a win. and matt gaetz is delighted. >> bravo, speaker mccarthy. this was not an agreement we had at the beginning of last week, but as the week progressed speaker mccarthy to his great credit understood this was important to many of us. >> so speaker mccarthy is delivering bigly for the maga wing of his party even if it's bad for congress and democracy and even bad for kevin mccarthy because as he said himself he

promised, and kevin mccarthy is a man of his word, you know, except for the time that he said trump bore responsibility for the deadly attack on the capitol and instead turned around and pledged fealty to trump down at mar-a-lago. and also that time he spoke to liz cheney he would talk to trump about resigning and never did. and that type he told house colleagues he thought trump was on vladimir putin's payroll before claiming it was just a bad attempt at a joke. other than that he's totally trustworthy. if you're wondering whether you'll goat to see that january 6th footage without carlson's edits, the answer is maybe. because he gave it to tucker first and, well, he's a man of his word. okay, we have a lot more to get to tonight and if it feels like

more and more people are saying the quiet part out loud, being more overtly racist and anti-semitic, you are not wrong. we'll talk about it with someone who's tracking some very scary stuff. and then later why did college students all over florida walk out of class today? here's a hint. it's all about ron desantis. stay with us. it's all about ron. stay with us

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do you remember when he told

you several hundred times the accused shooter was inspired by hatred from the nonbinary committee he learned on this show? well, actually it turns out last night he's part of the nonbinary community. >> that was tucker carlson just days after five people were killed and 17 were injured at an lgbtq nightclub called club "q" in colorado springs in november. when the news broke that the accused shooter anderson aldrich identified as nonbinary conservative media had a field day. they used that detail of his identity to reflect that anti-lgbtq could have been the motive here. the suggest overseeing his case ruled in fact there's sufficient evidence for aldrich to be tried on hate crime charges. yesterday a detective detailed

not only did he run a neo-nazi website that hosted content like a neo-nazi white supremacist shooting training video but aldrich used gay slurs and posted a video online of a rifle trained on a gay pride parade. the fact of the matter hate speech does inspire hate crimes and we're currently living in a world filled with hate speech. >> jewish hate messages littered across national this weekend. several say they found the letters in their mailboxes and driveway. >> if you feel you've heard that story before it's because you have. this past week neighborhoods in texas, norfolk, virginia, and nashville, tennessee, all had anti-celtic flyer drops. organized acts of hate like this appear to be happening with increasing reg lirty. this weekend chicago police are urging jewish and other religious communities to be extra vigilant because a

neo-nazi group has declared saturday as a, quote, day of hate. they're encouraging their members and like minded individuals to engage in anti-semitic acts of vandalism like flyering and posting about it online to grow their following. and all this comes one week after a suspect in los angeles was arrested for shooting two jewish men as they left religious services. and the police have a long list of anti-semitic messages they sent up in the to years leading up to the attack. one worth noting is at 1 point the suspect texted a classmate the image of this anti-semitic flyer, one that says every single aspect of the covid agenda is jewish. that is the same type of anti-semitic flyer we saw distributed across the country just this weekend. thanks for joining me tonight. so how do we make sense of this? let's start first with what

happened and what's happening in colorado springs, hate crimes. talk to me about how you define a hate crime. it seems confusing to people at least in the tucker carlson orbit someone part of the community can be part of a hate crime against the community. >> it's not clear to me what community he was part of other than an extremist community. someone target someone because of religion, what they look like. these are characteristics they can't change. when someone is targeted because of that, that is often a hate crime. what we saw in colorado springs was just the latest in a series of mass violent attacks by those who oppose their perceived enemies for reasons people will never understand but that we see the deadly consequences of. >> you guys have a new report out and the results are terrifying in a word. if you look at the chart i think we can bring it up, if you're tracking domestic mass extremist

killings in the u.s. by a decade, and there's 2011 to 2020 and it skyrockets. we're already on track with five and it is the month of -- i had to think about it for a second -- february of 2023, far from the end of the decade. how are you processing that? what do you glean from this chart other than we're getting worse as a society quite obviously? >> in society not only do we have a gun violence problem, we have a mass killing problem but we very specifically have an extremist mass killing problem. when you look at the last 25 years there's been 26 mass killings like buffalo, el paso, pittsburgh and so on. that is more than what we saw in the previous 40 years. so, "a," extremism is being normalized. the narratives that animate it are in the public, on social media. the access to weapons by extremists and as easy as it's ever been. and frankly i think there's a lack of accountability both from

social media companies, from our public discussion that says this type of hate that animates violence is okay in some way. >> how and why has it gotten normalized? and what can be done about that? because we can't -- we can't live like this, right? something has to be done to tear out extremism root and branch. and yet it feels like we're getting farther from that as opposed to closer. >> you know, there are so many issues i think in our country about exposure to hate with lack of friction. when someone engages in a hate crime or violent mass killing there's some debate about that when it happens. it immediately gets politicized. that does not help us in the fight against this type of hatred. >> i also feel like we have -- there's an almost pornographic lust for rage, and this idea that the flyers we were talking

about, that groups of people are going around and throwing anti-semitic flyers into peoples front yards, you know, at them in cities across this country and trying to grow their online followers through the imagery of these anti-semitic acts of terror really, what -- what does that tell you about society and the way in which there seems to be some sick enjoyment in terms of terrorizing people? >> we're in a selfie culture. when you talk about flyers being put on peoples homes or banners being dropped off freeways or harassment of people in the street like we saw not too far away a couple days ago at a theater a showing of a play about anti-semitism, what they're doing is not just targeting a community, they're filming it. they're making sure there's prop

gapda values so when they signal back to their communities online in order to keep people engaged. and by the way they're also getting crypto currency and other money in order to continue to do this type of harassment. extremism, anti-semitism, and bilgetry today is frankly a form of entertainment, and they have ways to make sure that people are constantly engaged. and that's why this is such a serious threat. that's why not only the jewish community, the lgbtq community and others feel vulnerable because accountability is far behind our ability to communicate. >> and there's not a far leap from throwing anti-semitic flyers to actually engaging physical violence. what is the day of hate chicago police are warning about? >> a couple weeks ago we identified some extremists talking about wanting choose this day tomorrow to do their flyering, to protest. i will say when you look at the recent past every day has been a day of hate.

this has been the past couple of years of massive amounts of high levels affof anti-semitic incidents and other forms of hate. this is in some some ways not unique, but when you are following up two jews being shot in los angeles, when there are these other incidents occurring, we don't have the luxury to down-play this as another day. we have to make sure communities are taking the steps they can to make sure they're protecting themselves, and law enforcement is sending people to make sure those communities feel safe. >> may better days be ahead. thanks as always for your time tonight and the valuable work you're doing. we have one more story for you tonight as college students across florida walked out of class to protest republican governor ron desantis using them as pawns in his culture war. that is just ahead. in his cult. that is just ahead

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college campuses across florida today. students walked out protesting republican governor ron desantis' policies targeting the lgbtq community and students of color. they're pushing back on the governor's plans to ban initiatives focused on diversity and equity and to restrict courses dealing with race. the walkout was planned after governor desantis asked public universities in the state to turn over the health care information of transgender students including how many students sought or received treatment for gender dysphoria and their ages. it is unclear why he needs that information. students who walked out of the university of south florida in tampa held signs that read protect our trans siblings and black lives matter. these are students at florida international in miami and you can hear them chant let teachers teach. it wasn't just students either. today democratic state

representative -- governor desantis of course is one of it top generals in the right-wing culture wars declaring florida as the state where the woke goes to die and so florida has become ground zero for the rights attacks on education and you can see it play out in new college in sarasota, florida. where the college president was recently forced out by the right-wing appointees. i will be heading down to new college to talk to students and educators as they deal with the effects of desantis' policies, and we'll be bringing you a special report next week. that does it for us. we'll see you again tomorrow. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next.