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a year of hope. a year of endurance. a year of unity. the year of invincibility. the furious year of invincibility. following a devastating year of russia's war of aggression, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy vows to do everything to win this year. if putin's goal was to devour ukraine, he's clearly failed. from the beginning he's underestimated ukraine and the west with severe consequences within russia. and you have been following the alex murdaugh murder trial, we're not going to get into that testimony. instead, i'm going to tell you about what this case tells us about generational power and privilege and the oligarchs living among us in america. we begin tonight with the somber one-year anniversary of russia's illegal and unprovoked invasion of ukraine. the war remains the biggest threat to peace and security in europe since the end of the cold

war. the scale of human suffering is unimaginable for so many. according to the united nations, nearly 18 million people are in dire need of humanitarian assistance. and 14 million people are displaced from their homes. the repercussions continue to reverberate on a global scale as well. from a refugee in food crisis to unprecedented sanctions and higher inflation. and then of course, there's the human cost. according to the u.n. high commissioner for human rights, at least 8,000 civilians are dead, and 13,000 have been injured over the past 12 months. kyiv remains standing. a year into putin's brutality, we must ask how will this end and what exactly can russia hope to gain. putin gained territory. but then he lost it. according to the institute of the study of war, a washington based think tank, russia controlled about 27% of ukraine's land mass in the weeks after the invasion began a year ago. but in the second half of last

year, ukrainian counteroffensive won back almost 29,000 square miles, including the key city of kherson. that left russia in control of about 18% of ukraine's territory. 9% less than when they first invaded. if russia's goal is to devower this country, it isn't happening. ukraine is now poised to get far more resources, including a $2 billion military aid package from the u.s. to help bolster kyiv's war effort. another key question. can ukraine win this war? or is it a stalemate? what we do know is russia is not winning the war. one of moscow's goals was to beat back nato, but nato is bigger now. this week, sweden's foreign minister said sweden and finland are firmly on course to join nato, which will increase its membership from 30 to 32 countries before the year is out. the new members will also add more than 800 miles of land border with russia, more than doubling the defensive bloc's

existing borders. what does vladimir putin do now? putin's whose fate is tethered to a senseless brutality that has killed or wounded 200,000 of his own soldiers. if neither side makes significant gains in the coming months, the conflict could well be headed for a stalemate. ukraine says it wants all of its land back, including crimea. do they have the momentum to make that happen? if not, how else does this end? joining me now from kyiv is msnbc chief correspondent ali velshi, and malcolm nance, former u.s. naval intelligence officer who spent months fighting the russians in ukraine. and ali, i want to start with you, my friend. let's talk about this. you had a chance actually to throw a question to volodymyr zelenskyy, to president zelenskyy today, talk about that and talk about this press conference that he did today. >> reporter: yeah, it was a two-hour-long pres conference with international journalists

here in kyiv. and that question you just asked, we could be headed for a stalemate. then what happens? nobody wants that to happen. there are two views on this. one is russia gets booted out of ukraine, leaves, and including leaving crimea. that's going to be a heavy lift. the other is that russia makes advances. if a year from now we're still in this position where this war is still going on, the president of poland had said he worries that russia will attack another state. so i put that question to president zelenskyy. listen to this conversation. >> last week, the president of poland had said that if this war is still going on one year from today, there is a real danger that an empowered russia will invade another state. given how effectively you have held back a russian advance with nato's help here in ukraine, is it even conceivable that russia could invade another state, particularly a nato state? >> translator: unfortunately, yes, i believe it's possible.

and that might happen. why? i can give you an explanation. president putin needs to demonstrate successes and victories. so there's not going to be a success on the battlefield in ukraine. and he will not succeed with the massive relaunch in ukraine. so he would need to demonstrate success. >> reporter: and that's the issue here. that what will -- what is vladimir putin's off ramp, his exit strategy? he hasn't displayed one. i will say this. right now, it's 2:00 in the morning here. the anniversary of -- the first anniversary of this war is officially over and the week many ukrainians expected of missile barrages, rocked attacks and a new russian launch, new russian offensive, has not yet

materialized. i'm touching a lot of wood around here because we don't want to talk about these things that haven't happened. he didn't do what the world expected him to do this week. >> malcolm, let me bring you in there. you were on the ground with ukrainian forces. you have seen how they fight, how hard they're fighting for their country. what do you make of the fact that putin did not launch the much expected offensive on the anniversary of the invasion? >> well, i mean, he could have carried out a series of missile strikes on the cities as he's been doing almost every day for the last year. but in terms of offensive, which is actually a ground combat term moving out there. the russians just don't have the combat capacity to do it. i have spent -- i was nine months in the ukrainian army and the international legion fighting the russians. we knew that by september when we carried out our counteroffensive and then carried out another one in

kherson, that russian combat power really offensive power is finished. i don't think russia will ever be able to carry out anything of any significance over the next year. doesn't matter if they bring up 500,000 mobilized men. all they're doing is putting them into our sights, and that is why they are not carrying out a strike today. putin is losing all of his capacity with precision weapons. there was a rumor he was going to use his air force in a devil may care mass attack on ukraine. air defenses of ukraine are so good right now, they're shooting down about 80% to 90% of incoming defending on the number of missiles coming in. that's why we're not seeing anything today. >> and ali, in talking about the situation here, russia has really only succeeded in one thing. completely isolating itself. there was a u.n. vote today to condemn russia's invasion and to call for them to withdraw.

the vote was 141-7. the only countries voting with russia were russia itself, belarus, north korea, eritrea, nicaragua, and syria. we could do a whole series of questions about that. 32 abstentions including china. on this question of stalemate, it's not as if russia doesn't have a historical memory they can draw on on what stalemates look like and how they can be endless. north korea is an example. their own experience in afghanistan, which they fought to a stalemate and got nothing but a humiliaing withdrawal. chechnya, this never ending sort of stalemate, and the grinding war in syria. they have, you know, used their forces all over the region, all over the east. and they have not succeeded yet. >> reporter: yes. and afghanistan and chechnya are key examples because they went on for a long time. afghanistan was at the fall of the soviet -- preceded the fall of the soviet union. this was a country that was

broken, spending a lot of money, and all the news reports were about how these guys in the hills were taking down their helicopters, again, with u.s. help. those were stinger missiles launched that were provided by the united states. but the same thing happened in chechnya. these young russian soldiers are coming home in body bags and parents are saying what exactly are we fighting for again? what is this? why are we there? and that's sort of the issue here in ukraine. there are a lot of russians who didn't give two hoots about wroouk. they weren't interested in taking it over. russia like america is subject to cable tv and propaganda and of course rules about what you can and can't say. you still can't call this a war in russia. there's a lot of brain washing going on. a lot of people who can't explain why the prices are going up, why their oil isn't sold, why they can't go to mcdonald's examine, why they can't trade with other countries, and everybody is starting to know somebody whose son came back in a body bag. but we don't know what happens

to them, what changes in russia. is there enough of a movement? it's very hard. there is an opposition movement, a dissent movement in russia, but it's very hard to gain ground because all of the dissent leaders are in jail and they're imprisoning anybody else who questions this war. but that's why the institutional memory is not kicking in, because vladimir putin is ruling with an iron fist right now. >> yeah, including our friend of the show, who more recently was imprisoned as well. malcolm, the one thing that is clear -- >> reporter: in fact, vladimir was on the show with me in april of last year on a sunday, and i said, why did you go back? i'm scared for you. 24 hours later, he was arrested. he had adjust gotten to moscow and they put him in jail. >> when we asked him that question, he's a great and brilliant guy, and he says i'm a russian politician. i can only be that in russia. he's very clear, he's a patriot. and malcolm, what is clear, and you are the war fighter with experience here, but isn't the advantage that ukraine has

fundamentally is their clarity of mission? this is their country. they're fighting to keep it. there's not a lot of clarity on their opponent's side, but they're very clear. they want all their territory back, and they would fight to the last grain of sand. so it seems like they have just a natural advantage because of that. >> well, you know, one year ago, eight days before the invasion, i was on msnbc on a show, and i was sort of going against the grain. people were saying, hey, ukraine is going to fall. russia is going to take it in 72 hours. i had just come back from the donetsk battle front with the two manders in charge of the war right now. one thing was at hand here, not just clarity of mission. it's heart. ukrainians have heart. this is their country. this is their people. this is their land. and they are going to fight for it. they were ready for the russians for two weeks before that war

started. their war stocks were already out there. more importantly, they were going to fight to defend their land. that's why i joined them. because this is a righteous fight. russia invaded them blindly. there's no, you know, granted, this war started early in 2014, but what's happening here is an order of magnitude different. what the russians didn't understand was that they were going into the lion's den. these people were going to fight, not to the last man, they were going to fight to protect their women, their children, their parents, their brothers, their sisters, and their neighbors. that kind of what we would say in the military force multiplier, made the ukrainian army quite literally unbeatable. they would be fighting the russians right now if we hadn't given them one bullet. but we have given them the resources to fight russia. they are winning. russia is going to lose this war. >> i feel like i'm hearing back, ali, what you have communicated

to us and through you has been communicated to you by so many people you talked to in ukraine. men, women, and children. they're all very clear. >> reporter: yeah. children know what an f-16 is, they know what himars are. every time there's an air raid siren, they go into a bunker and depending on what class you're in, they know what bunker they're going into. there is remarkable clarity of mission. every last person has said exactly what malcolm just said, they're going to win this war. it's not a matter of if but when. and they'll stay in that fight. with all of the atrocities with the people who have died, the civilians who have died, they continue to say this is -- there's just no other alternative. i asked a woman who i met while i was on your show on a train platform in hungary, i caught up with her. she's in switzerland in a refugee shelter. i asked her at the end of an interview, i said, is ukraine going to win this war? and she paused before she answered, she tilted her head

like this, and joy, i thought it was a language issue, maybe she didn't understand the question. the truth is she didn't understand the question, but it wasn't a language issue. what are you even asking me? of course we're going to win this war. of course i'm going to go home. >> there's a kind of spirit there. when people are determined to be free, they're going to be free. russia needs to learn that lesson if they haven't learned it in five or six wars. thank you both very much, my friends. up next on "the reidout," a look at the extent to which the russian people are paying the price for putin's incredible miscalculation. "the reidout" continues after this.

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the one-year mark of russia's ukraine invasion is evidence of russian president vladimir putin's lack of self awareness. clearly, he expected his special military operation would be overane matter of days, fulfilling his dreams of a new imperial russia. putin clearly underestimated ukraine's resolve to fight back. he also clearly misjudged the resolve of the united states, europe, and nato to support kyiv. for ukraine, it's been a year of resiliency. for russia, putin's dream of a second soviet union is more of a nightmare. crippling economic sanctions have isolated russia from the world economy. and restrictions on oil trade tightened the grip on one of its main revenue sources. thousands of international corporations fled or reduced

operations in russia, so you can't get a big mac in moscow, but you can get an imitation at the rebranded uncle vanya's. and then the human toll. at least 5,000 and perhaps 1 million have left russia in the year since the invasion began. not to mention russia's military losses. moscow says russian casualties are in the thousands but ukraine's military estimates that more than 145,000 russian troops have been killed since the invasion. not that the russian dictator would ever acknowledge that he made a mistake, since he has always misjudged the west. joining me now is anne applebaum, staff writer for the atlantic. i'm so glad to get a chance to talk to you this evening because it seems to me that everything about what vladimir putin wanted and obsesses over, the destruction of nato, weakening nato, weakening the alliances of the western nations, all of it, all of it has gone completely sideways. and this war, whatever is happening, it ain't a win.

>> it's a classic case of a dictator coming to believe his own propaganda. he's been saying for years and years the west is degenerate, the west is divided. democracy doesn't work. democracy is dysfunctional. and he came to believe his own language, and of course, once you have been in power that long, there's almost nobody around you to tell you something different. he also believed his own propaganda about ukraine. i think he genuinely believed that the ukrainian government wasn't real, that it was somehow a fake group of outsiders. they weren't connected to the people, he didn't really understand ukrainian democracy. he has no one around him who understands modern ukraine. he absolutely made a mistake about what would happen when the invasion happen. the russian soldiers thought the ukrainians would somehow give up. he has been proven wrong over and over and over again. yet he's -- it might be making that mistake again. of course, it's up to us to

determine it because his assumption now is still that eventually, the west will stop supporting ukraine. eventually, the ukrainians will give up. and that's why he's still fighting despite staggering losses that you just described. >> you know, it's interesting that there's no overt admission of failure, but there are actions that are tantamount to admissions of failure. the use of the wagner group to supplement their military troops which they are losing in staggering numbers. this is the latest about the wagner group. evgeni prigozhin who is head of this criminal organization has accused the russian defense minister of trying to destroy the group, claiming his fighters have been deprived of ammunition, so you now even have the kind of crimy violent groups like wagner saying no, they're not getting enough supplies either. >> yes, the wag nur group for those who don't know is a kind of mercenary group who pretend

said for a long time to be independent of the russian army. now it's proven that it's dependent on them for ammunition. it's interesting there are clearly fights going on between different parts of the russian security services and different parts of the russian elite. putin's speech a couple days ago was very much directed at that group. and there were some threats there about traitors will not be dealt with mercifully, and we will deal harshly with those who betray us. that was of course directed at anybody who might happen to be thinking about revolting or rebelling or questioning the party lines. we know that there's a good deal of discontent in moscow even if we can't hear it clearly or pinpoint it. >> one wonders whether there are enough people who can accidentally fall out of windows to keep him in there, to keep putin in long term, as parents start to note that their children have not come home from the war. >> yeah, this is the most

extraordinary thing, is the number of deaths. actually, i heard a pentagon source tell me a few weeks ago that they reckon 200,000 including dead and wounded. so 200,000 people taken out of the fight. which is, you know, staggering number. far higher than vietnam, far higher than the soviet union and afghanistan some years ago. and sooner or later that has to have some kind of echo in russian society. i mean, of course, because it's not a democracy, there's no mechanism by which popular discontent or anger or sadness translates into the public sphere. so it's not seen much in public. but of course, they will -- the regime will know how much is being said in private and will have a sense of when discontent is rising. as that happens, there may be people who at least begin to push the president in a different direction, if not as you say out affwindow. >> there's an interesting thing

about vladimir putin. he still is an old kremlin guy, and you can sort of almost see on his face, absolute contempt for the united states, which may even be more so than his contempt for nato and his desire to see the u.s. crumble the way that the ussr did. that we meet the same fate. he's meddling in our elections. he's trying to get donald trump, who is sort of a lackey, will play the lackey to him, to be our president. he takes action to do that. you see his allies in the republican party, sadly, pushing a pro-putin line that is about the same things. we should have secession. we should break up as a country. this is a war against russia. so you have got like the fox news crowd, the marjorie greenes echoing his talking points, and that seems to be the one thing putin has actually been kind of successful at, stoking a kind of rusified view of the world inside the united states. but does that end up helping him in some way in his larger project or not? >> so that was his project.

of course, he didn't invent the far right in america, just like he didn't invent it anywhere else. those people are real that come from our culture. you know, he just sought to enable them and give them louder voices. and help them in social media campaigns and maybe through complicated mechanisms, offer them financing. but and that is, you're absolutely correct in that his vision is one of the united states splitting up, seceding, whatever the adjective is. i do want to stress, though, that at this exact moment, the majority of the republican party, at least in congress, still supports the effort in ukraine. i was just in munich where i heard several republican congressmen even speaking in kind of loud encouraging, you know, we would do the same if we were attacks and so on. i want to make it clear there's still bipartisan support. it's still the majority of americans including republicans support the american war effort

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so if you'll indulge me for just a moment, i would like to take you to the low country of south carolina. for centuries, charleston was the largest point of disembarkation for the trance atlantic slave trade. they built their economy, labor, and social hierarchy on that trade. the crops cultivated by enslaved labor made the plantation owners some of the richest and most powerful individuals in north america. it is in this place that the murdaugh family grew its roots. roots that go back to the late 1800s. you might know the murdaughs because they are the subject of two wildly popular documentaries. one on hbo and one on netflix. right now, the current family

patriarch, alexmer dog, is standing trial for the murder of his wife maggie and son paul. you probably can't get away from the coverage of this trial even though we live in a country where mass murders barely get the same attention, not to mention the other murders in the u.s. the infatuation with this trial stemmed from a lot of othings, our news culture and the bizarre made for tv facts of the case itself. the patriarchs of this well heeled southern family maintained reputations as sensational and stubborn prosecutors who often played by their own rules and executed law and order with a certain down home southern style. their connections and power have afforded them luxuries and privileges that most people can only imagine. and wherever they would go, death seemed to follow. and accountability appears elusive. that's because a murdaugh had unbroken control over the solicitor's office for 86 years.

the solicitor is essentially the top prosecutor over five counties. the tenure considered the longest of its kind in the history of the united states. and joining me now is james hasden, who recently wrote about the murdaughs in the new yorker. i will credit you, sir, with getting me to finally pay attention to this trial, because i had no interest in this trial at all. there are literally mass murders every week in this country so i'm like this one murder i'm not going to focus too much on it as tragic as it is. talk about this family. they have connections to the surrender robert e. lee, it's got everything. >> well, they do. the story does have everything. and it's quite a confusing story with many, many pieces. and the family itself, as you say, they have controlled the legal business of this 14th circuit, which is, the part where they live is a very isolated, quiet place on the

face of it. and they have had the run of it. they ran it as solicitors and they also ran the major, the main litigating company, which became pnpd, which is the family firm. they had a lock on both sides of the law in that area for three generations. and alex murdaugh is the first who did not become a solicitor, but he had a volunteer's badge, as they call it, in the solicitor's office. he inherited and he continued to exploit the very close associations that the family had with law enforcement in that area. and the advantages to him and to the family are, i mean, there were monetary advantages. they made a lot of money out of this, but they were also able to protect themselves when they got into scrapes, and that's fairly

well documented over the years, but nothing compared to the kind of scrapes that alex got himself into. >> if you think about it, first, when you say family farm, we're talking about a 1200 acre piece of property. they own thousands of acres. the scrape now involves the killing of the wife, maggie, but also the son, who himself was just about to go to trial for his role in the death of one of his friends in a boating accident in which it appears that alex murdaugh, the guy on trial now, tried to kind of clean it up because the son was drunk driving in a boat. so he was about to go to trial for that. there was another death of a young man who was somehow connected to the family, and another death of somebody who cleaned for the family and a settlement that somehow disappeared, millions of dollars that vanished. it seemed they were involved in more deaths than your average family. >> you can certainly say that. and i mean, yes. there's five bodies to account

for. and the very tragic death of malory beach in the boating accident was the first that really came to light. and in a way, that was what caused this sort of story to be opened up. alex, it turns out, had been stealing from his clients for years before that. he was in some personal injury law and winning large settlements for people like in one instance, his housekeeper, who died after falling down the stairs of his house. and then he had perfected a method of stealing these settlements or stealing large parts of them or in some cases the entire settlement. these were hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions of dollars. so yes, there are bodies to account for, and there are large sums of money, and nobody quite has gotten to it bottom of it all, but i think generally we understand more than we did a few months ago.

>> what's interesting, too, is these are people, this is a family that has probable caused the incarceration and execution of we don't know how many people. they have been in charge of the law. the grandfather apparently had like a 95% conviction record, 14 executions, none of which he attended. this is a family that has been the law. the sense of impunity feels other worldly, except it isn't that uncommon. i feel like there is a sort of oligarchy in this country that sort of exists beneath the surface in small "d" democracy, can they seem like a top tier member of it. >> i think they certainly are. i think there are some conditions in south carolina that sort of enable that and make it perhaps worse than it is in other places. i don't know that south carolina is more corrupt than other places but it has some

peculiarities, for instance -- well, in south carolina in general, there was a provision in the law that you could -- you wanted to bring a lawsuit against let's say a railroad company, for an injury, you could bring that lawsuit in any county of your choice, regardless of where the injury occurreds long as the injury occurred in south carolina and as long as the railroad company owned property in the county you chose to bring a suit in. so the murdaugh family exploited this to great advantage, and it became one of the basises of their fortune. they made hampton into a kind of litigator's paradise, where they would routinely obtain very large settlements for plaintiffs. and they had a very accommodating jury pool that would regularly award settlements that were vastly higher in many cases than you would get anywhere else in the

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this not just an attack on women's fundamental freedoms. it is an attack on the very foundation of our public health system. those who would attack this process and the ability of the fda to make these decisions ought to look in their own medicine cabinets to figure out whether they're prepared to say that those medications that they need to alleviate suffering and to prolong the quality of life should no longer be available to them. >> vice president kamala harris speaking this morning ahead of a major decision expected any moment now out of texas. where one trump appointed judge will rule on whether to ban the abortion pill nationwide, meaning in every state, no matter red or blue, and upending the lives of millions of women. to perhaps no one's surprise, the republicans who so fervently

claim their opposition to roe was purely because they thought abortion should be a state issue are nowhere to be found because this has been their goal all along. they wanted a national abortion ban. this ruling could bring them one giant step closer to getting it. as the drug accounts for more than half of all abortions in the country. it also comes as state lawmakers are actively working to create laws that would criminally punish anyone who gets an abortion. in just the past two weeks republican state representatives in kentucky and alabama introduced legislation that would classify abortion as homicide and allow people seeking abortions to be charged with murder. while a similar bill just introduced in the south carolina state house would also put the death penalty on the table as punishment. joining me now is errin haines, editor at large of the 19th, and lizz winstead, founder of abortion access front. lizz, i want to start with you

on that. these lie that republicans only wanted states to be laboratories of democracy, that's a lie, because one of their federal ideologues is now potentially poised to get the abortion pill banned for the whole country. what will that mean for women? >> well, it can mean many things, because i mean, it's sort of like it's bad and it's worse. there's no way that i believe that this judge is ever going to just say, oh, this is a frivolous case. it either means that the access to the care goes back only to be administered by clinics, and we all know that clinics just don't really exist anymore, making the barriers to access care terrible, or he can say, the fda friverously 23 years ago and after approving a drug that's safer than tylenol, we have to yank it off the shelves could mean literally zero access for the most common medication

abortion in the country, and that is terrifying to a lot of people, especially low-income folks, rural folks, people of color, that's who it affects the most. >> and erin, if this case were to then be appealed up to the supreme court, i thing we could all guess how that goes. you have sam alito and five other justices who are ideologues on this issue as well. it was good for me to see the vice president of the united states being the spokesperson for this issue in the administration. that is a smart way to use her as she was a former prosecutor, because they're also talking about putting women in prison and maybe giving people the death penalty for doing abortions in states. >> right, joy. i think this is why you again see her taking the lead, as she has been for the administration on this issue, because of her many identities, as a black woman, black women leading on the conversation around reproductive rights, also as a prosecutor, as this heads to the legal realm and we continue to see the real-life implications

of a post dobbs reality that are happening in real time. i think you saw the vice president speaking today with a sense of urgency because even as we sit here, a ruling could come even as we're sitting here, out of texas. this is, as you mentioned, the most effective, one of the most common ways of terminating a pregnancy for many people who need to do that. so as the reality for too many people on the ground remains kind of uncertain and shifting on an hourly, moment to moment basis, especially at the state level, i think this case and this particular issue really brings that into focus. >> i was going to say -- and the diabolical nature of this case came to be, this alliance that brought the case forward we formed three months ago, purposefully, in the district of this judge. because they knew that this

judge would rule in their favor. and they knew that if it's challenged, it's going to the fifth circuit, the scariest court. and if you ever wondered -- g, who would ever marry josh hawley? well, the lead attorney in the case is actually the person bringing this case forward. so, roast us all around, joy. >> yeah. this is playing out in states already, simultaneously. so, in wisconsin have the state supreme court race, errin, that is critical -- believed to be critical to the continued existence of abortion rights in that state. you have states like georgia that already have draconian abortion bans, where the really has not been much of an electoral pushback. people have not paid the price for doing it. the state thing is not playing out in a clean way. e >> no, it's not. and you mentioned that wisconsin supreme court rate, that is probably one of the most closely watched races in the country this year because of the potential implications. you just had the candidates for

that race narrowed down just this week. you have a liberal judge, dan it, and a conservative former judge, dan kelly, who are facing off in this race in april and the stakes of this are going to determine the stakes in wisconsin. it's already control by three or four conservatives and -- not only on abortion but other influential issues like the states political map or possible election disputes. so, there are many issues that are happening at the state level that really have consequential an existential particularly in the absence of federal legislation that is kind of making the law of the land as opposed to law on a case by case and state by state state basis. >> and this -- is all about the rights, compassion for children. i have to play this. this is not an abortion related thing. his name is david eastman. he's a representative. this is what he had to say about abused children who die

as a result of their abuse. as a result >> in a case where e is fatal, it, obviously, is not good for the child, but exactly a benefit to society because there aren't needs for government services over the whole course of that child's life. >> to the chair, can you say that again -- did you see a benefit for society? >> a cost in dollars. >> he was censured, lizz winstead, yes today. but he had been previously censured in 2017 over comments he made suggesting that there are women in alaska who try to get pregnant in order to get a free trip to the city to get an abortion. your thoughts? >> i mean, don't we know, that's how it always works? it's those frequent flyer abortion while people are getting. but it's so horrific. but also, every time you see a chest thumping pro-life person you just dig a little deeper.

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favorite game -- wait for the music. and here it is. who won the week? back with me are errin haines and lizz winstead. errin haines, who won the week? >> joy, i'm going to say survivors. you have harvey weinstein and r. kelly being sentenced on the same day to almost 40 years combined for sex crimes. it seems like justice for the survivors. i know it does not change what happens. but for many of them, this does represent some form of closure. >> amen, amen, and a man. that's an excellent answer. lizz winstead, what you got? who won the week? >> when the? week my team afc, down there in south carolina, finding a path as at the last remaining independent clinic in south carolina. -- but i gotta say, president getting on a ten hour train ride and getting to an active war zone to give active support to ukraine. that is like chefs kiss potential. >> i need somebody to make a call that so biden have the episodes take place on trains and just have him do by the

things. that's a very biden thing. -- my who won the week is in tribute to sally hemmings. you know, a few years ago they discovered the windowless cell where sally hemmings was kept as a, essentially, sex slave, enslaved by thomas jefferson, one of the founding fathers, where -- he could access directly from his bedroom, a windowless cell where she had all her children children from. but black women are winning back for virginia, in payment for sally hemings. the newly elected congresswoman, jennifer mcclelland. she is the first black woman to ever represent the state in congress. and what were her issues? voting rights and environmental protection and abortion access because, boom. black women getting it back for the ancestors. thank you errin haines and lizz winstead. that is tonight's reidout. all in live with ali velshi starts right now. >> joy, thank you my friend. and you have a good