>> this is the katie phang show live from miami, florida. we've got lots of news to cover and lots of questions to answer,

so let's get started. how safe is safe in east palestine, ohio? we are on the ground and hearing from a familiar face, three weeks since that fiery train derailment with new research now casting doubt on what health officials have been claiming. plus, it is the one year anniversary of russia's brutal invasion of ukraine. as republicans climber to curb u.s. aid to ukraine, china winds now sending drones and ammunition to help russia. is theren end to the war insight? and later, charges of discrimination in texas, no shocker there. governor greg abbott, vowing to sign a bill that would ban chinese citizens from buying any property, even a house. i want to know, why this is not a bigger story? all of that and more is coming up. ♪ ♪ ♪ we start today's show in ohio,

where there are new health concerns this morning three weeks after a train carrying hazardous cancer causing chemicals derailed. residents in east palestine have been, understandably, worried about what is in their water, ground, and air for weeks. and now, according to the washington post, researchers at texas a&m say, those concerns just might be valid. researchers found nine air pollutants at levels that could pose long term respiratory risks, but the epa says, the pollutants will likely dissipate. meanwhile, residents are rallying together and demanding accountability. joined by the familiar face of environmental activists, erin brockovich, who held a town hall last night. nbc news correspondent, jesse kirk, is in east palestine, ohio, with more. >> in his palatine, erin brockovich, the environmental activists, with hollywood fame, held a town hall along with the legal team last night at the high school. there were hundreds of people they're hearing from a group

that is organizing one of several legal challenges against norfolk southern braille roads in the aftermath of that toxic train derailment here, about three weeks ago. brockovich is very present in this community for some, signaling the severity of this situation. here's part of her message to this community. >> we have got to change some of our practices, and there's end of the day profit over people has got to stop. we, on the upfront, need to understand these chemicals from the -- marketplace. we have to, on the upfront, put safety and maintenance first. >> our thanks to jeff the courage. and now to the blockbuster trial of alex murdaugh, where, for a second day, the south carolina now disbarred attorney was on the witness stand, being grilled on cross examination by the prosecutor for the brutal murders of his wife and son. nbc's katie bacchus has more.

>> accountability, is at your door, mr. murdaugh, bad things happen. >> in the hot seat for a second day, alex murdaugh facing a blistering cross examination. >> the second that you're confronted with facts that you can't deny, you immediately come up with a new lie. isn't that correct? >> i would disagree with that proposition that you are putting out. >> prosecutors, hitting hard on murdaugh's timeline inconsistencies on the night of the murders and murdaugh, pushing back in his own defense. even becoming combative when challenged on his memory of finding his wife's body. >> you're dang right i remember why i went to her, and for what reason. >> the only thing you're concerned about is yourself. >> answering some questions with clear certainty, addressing his 20 year addiction to opioids, admitting he had pills in his pocket, even as he spoke to investigators the night of the murders. >> so, you're taking 60 a day or something like that?

>> there were days where i took more than that. there were days i took less than that. >> and at other times, appearing on study. struggling with answers about why, after he had returned from the kennels to the house, close to the time of the murders, his phone was tracking 70 steps a minute, as he was placing several phone calls in a row. >> you are on a treadmill? >> i did not get on the treadmill. >> you walked in place? >> i did not jog in place. no sir, i did not do jumping jacks. >> prosecutors, replaying for the jury, murdaugh's interviews with investigators, statements that murdaugh now admits were lies. >> i stayed in the house. >> other than lying to you, them about going to the kennel, i was cooperative in every aspect of this investigation. >> very cooperative except for maybe the most important fact of all, that your murder scene with the victims just minutes before they died. >> the prosecution's repeated message to the jury, murdaugh lied often and lied to many.

>> you are able to just do that so easily and so defensively, so naturally, don't you? >> i mean, that's not for me to judge. >> that is true. >> in a brief redirect, murdaugh's defense team pointing to phone data, showing maggie's phone, which was thrown by the roadside, was never moving in sync with alex at any point after the murders. murdaugh, again, denying he is a killer. >> if i was under the pressure that they are talking about here, i can promise you i would hurt myself before i would hurt one of them. >> thank you to nbc's katie back for that report. now to the containing war on women, a texas judge will soon decide whether to block the most common abortion method in the united states. pills that have been fda approved for more than two decades. it could be the most consequential abortion ruling since roe v. wade was overturned.

nbc's dasha burns explains. [crowd chanting] >> amarillo, texas, now at the center of americas abortion debate. here, a group of antiabortion doctors and medical organizations are suing the fda, challenging the approval of meh for practice, generically known as if a president, part of a two drug regiment commonly known for abortions that has been approved by the fda since 2000. alliance finding freedom, arguing the fda did not adequately evaluate the drugs safety. >> we are asking the court to do what is right, to follow to ask the fda to follow the law by taking these dangerous drugs off the marketplace. >> presiding over the case, a conservative judge appointed by former president trump and injunction, would cut off access to mifepristone nationwide. >> if the plaintiffs when this lawsuit, what would be the effect? >> it would be devastating. even in places where they worked very hard to secure access to abortion, states like california, new york, here in

d.c.. >> abortion providers, like doctor sharia floyd, say the lawsuit is based on misinformation. >> how dangerous is this medication? >> it is not dangerous at all. the evidence is solid. the science is solid. the complication rate is less than 1%. >> the fda told nbc news, it does not comment on ongoing litigation. but in a court filing said the claims of a lawsuit are, quote, unsupported by any evidence. since 2000, more than 5 million women have taken mifepristone, with 28 that's associated with the drug reported. >> millions of women have taken these drugs safely. doesn't that paint a contrary picture to your complaint? >> i am seeing these women in my own practice. my emergency room physicians, they're telling me how frequently they're seeing these complications that women come in with retained tissue, with heavy bleeding, with serious life threatening infections. >> in a court brief, the country's leading group of ob/gyn say, mifepristone is, quote, exceedingly safe and effective, telling --

not scientific. >> the result, if you win, is that abortion access will be significantly limited. is that the goal of this lawsuit? >> no, the goal of this lawsuit is to -- american women and girls from the dangerous chemical -- drugs. >> there is another drug -- that can be used for medication of abortions, but doctors say it can be less effective on its own. back in amarillo, -- traveled from atlanta to protest this case. >> it's ridiculous that just because, you know, we were born with a uterus in certain body parts that we should have to be subjected to this treatment. >> the next frontier in americas abortion battle. dasha burns, nbc news amarillo, texas. >> our thanks to dasha burns for that reporting. coming up, more on the georgia special grand jury for person and what her recent media tour could mean for the case against donald trump. and later this hour, what's the worst that could happen when you give fox news over 40,000

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standing out lately, when it comes to the fulton county, georgia special grand jury that recommended indictments in its investigation into attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. well, two names if you count former president, donald trump. the other is this woman, emily corps. the 4% of that special grand jury. she sat down with my colleague, blayne alexander, earlier this week and had some very interesting things to say, including that the list of recommended indictments is, quote, not a short list. and that it might include donald trump. take a listen. >> did the grand jury recommend

an indictment of former president trump? >> i'm not going to speak on exact indictments. >> what would be surprised, are there bombshells? -- >> i don't think that there are any giant plot twists coming. i don't think that there are any, like, giant, that's not the way i expected to go at all. i don't think that's in store for anyone. >> so, nothing that would surprise people who have been following this? >> probably not. i wouldn't want to characterize anyone else's reaction, of course. >> joining us now is barbara mcquade, professor of law at the university of michigan. former united states attorney, co-host of the hashtag sisters -- podcast and in her free time, msnbc legal analyst. and the gray téa mitchell, washington correspondent for

the atlanta journal constitution. good morning, ladies. it is so good to see you here, tina. i will start with you. you've covered special grand juries before. how surprised were you to hear that the foreperson of this particular special grand jury agreed to sit down for multiple tv interviews? >> yeah, she also sat down with the -- for example and i think we're very surprised not that she's speaking out, but the timing. the fact that she's granting interviews, even before district attorney, bonnie willis, announces any possible indictments for criminal charges. so, she's getting ahead of the da's criminal proceedings and that is what makes this kind of media blitz pretty unusual. i wonder if there have been concerns raised to her, because she has not granted additional interviews after that initial blitz. >> barb, the judge in this case actually spoke yesterday about this media blitz that he had

just talked about. let's take a quick listen to what he had to say. >> i don't think it would be appropriate for me to respond directly. i think it's important for people to understand that the grand jurors took and oath, and that oath requires the grand jurors to maintain, in confidence, keep secret their deliberations. >> so, barb, the judge there, very clear about the parameters surrounding how these special grand jurors could speak publicly. you wrote a pretty specific op-ed for msnbc online, putting forth your opinion. i did want to ask a specific angle, the, from that up at. there are some defense attorneys for targets of this investigation saying now that they may file motions to dismiss because of emily kohrs interviews having, quote, tainted what was supposed to be an invitation independent, biased, -- what's the likelihood of success of that strategy by the defense attorneys? >> i think that the strategy will fail, katie.

there is some case law on this topic that, you know, matters occurring before the grand jury can cause problems down the road. but in this case, there is this unusual to step process. we've got this special grand jury, whose job was only to investigate and make -- their still another grand jury that has to hear the case and sign off on any indictments. and so, i think that process is likely to cure any taint that may exist by what is happened so far with the statements by the grand jury before the proceeding. >> you know, téa, to the point you made a couple of minutes ago, we have not heard from da bonnie willis since this particular media tour that was done by emily kohrs. the last time we heard from fani willis, she said indictments were, quote, imminent. listen, you can i can probably spent hours kind of dissecting that word, imminent. but based upon what you've heard from that four person during the course of these

interviews, do you have any new news, excuse me, on that front, in terms of timing? >> no and i think that fani willis, she did clarify to us at the -- sheet means legally imminent, not reporter imminent. so, you know, i think we were hoping days. but it could be weeks, as she built her case and decides what she thinks is the strongest evidence, the strongest charges to bring to the regular grand jury. again, i think emily kohrs was working completely independently of the district attorney from what we understand, the district attorney had no idea that emily kohrs was going to do those media interviews that she did. so, we can't really read into anything emily kohrs said, as far as the timing. because she has really nothing to do with what the district attorney is doing now. so, it's just kind of a waiting game. we do think, again, probably in the next few weeks, but there

really is no certain timeline with district attorney willis. >> and you know, barb, last to you. per this for person, the grand jury decided against interviewing donald trump. but -- definitely discussed a lot in the room. what does that tell you about the possibility of an indictment at all being brought against donald trump? >> i think based on her statements, the likelihood is very high. she talked about the fact that they listened to the call with brad raffensperger, the secretary state of georgia, and other calls involving donald trump. she also, when asked whether donald trump was among those, she did adhere to the strict letter of the rules about not sharing grand jury's deliberations. she would not disclose the names of any individuals -- indictments that had been recommended. but when she was asked about donald trump specifically, she said something like, i'm not going to tell you, but it won't be shocking. i mean, it's not rocket science. and so, you know, for all of those things, we can't know for

sure. but it seems highly likely to me that donald trump is among the people on that list for whom they've recommended indictments to. >> and barb, i spoke like a true lawyer when i said it was the last question. it's really not. i have less than a minute, i do want to ask you very quickly, but i have to let you and tia know. information share is something i want to ask. we know that the special counsel, jack smith, is doing his own investigation in d.c., concerning efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election by not only donald trump, but his allies. pretty confident, barb, that there is information data evidence here that's going on between fulton county da in special counsel, jack smith? >> i don't know whether it is, but it can be. the law permits that, certainly. if you have information that you take during the reinjury investigation, the law permits sharing sometimes with the court orders, to ensure that it's being done for some proper purpose, but back and forth and when i was practicing, it was done all the time. information would be shared back and forth between different investigative bodies. so, it seems likely that that's occurring. >> well, i guess the old saying

is true. we will just have to wait and see. but we will have tia michelle back as our boots in the ground in atlanta and in fulton county when that happens. and barbara mcquade, as always, is good to see you here. thank you to both of you here this morning for being here. and coming up, president biden announcing fresh sanctions and another big aid package to ukraine, as the war hits the one year mark this week. we will go live to kyiv for an on the ground update, as putin 's brutal assault on ukrainian democracy anders year to. stay with us. democracy anders year to stay with us ahhhh... with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary. spray flonase sensimist daily for non-drowsy, long lasting relief in a scent-free, gentle mist. (psst psst) flonase. all good.

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volodymyr zelenskyy says 2023 will be ukraine zero victory. more than 71,000 alleged war crimes have been reported in ukraine since russia invaded. although russia continues to ramp up its attacks against ukraine's energy grid and residential areas, ukrainians continue to persevere. >> in this war, there is an aggressor, and there is a victim. russia fights for conquest. ukraine fights for its freedom. if russia stop starting and leaves ukraine, the war ends. if ukraine stops fighting, ukraine ends. >> nbc's erin mclaughlin joins me live on the ground in kyiv. erin, how are residents in ukraine feeling amidst the one you anniversary of this war? >> hey, katie. this is a somber moment, millions of lives here in ukraine were forever changed

when russia launched that invasion on february 24th of last year. including the life of its president, president vladimir zelenskyy the press conference yesterday to international media, it lasted over two hours. during that press conference, with tears in his eyes, he talked about the toll, the personal toll the war has taken on his family, take a listen. >> the most important thing is not to let them down. the most important thing is to make sure that my children are proud of me. and, i am happy that they are in ukraine. that they go to ukrainian universities. it's very important for a president of ukraine, for the incumbent president, or for the

previous president. when you are a president of a country where in war, you have to be here because the men and women are dying here. >> he also said that he very rarely sees his children, he very rarely sees his parents, his family has been torn apart, as has the families of millions of ukrainians as this war continues on. in terms of the battlefield, during the press conference, president zelenskyy sounding confident and with conviction saying he believed it could be victory this year if the allies, in his words, remain united as a closed fist. he also said he would like to meet with the leader of china. that is significant considering the united states is alleging that that china is currently considering supplying weapons to russia.

lethal aid to russia. which according to an adviser to the ukrainian military, could be a game-changer in this war because of where everybody is right now. both sides, both russia and ukraine are currently running out of ammunition, which is perhaps why we are hearing from u.s. officials say that there is a big emphasis on supplying ammunition, supply high marks an artillery to the fine line. and ukrainian officials saying this is a race against time to get that supply to the front line so they can make gains on the battlefield. >> thanks to you, erin mclaughlin. please stay safe. and joining me now for more is congressman adam smith, the ranking member of the armed services committee. representative smith, yesterday, president biden said he is ruling out, right now, sending f-16 fighter jets to ukraine which president zelenskyy has been asking for repeatedly. let's take a quick listen to what president biden had to

say. >> we are sending him what our season military thinks he needs now. he needs tanks, he needs artillery, he needs air defense, including the high mark, there are things you needs now that we are sending him to put in a position to be able to make gains this spring and summer, going into fall. >> you don't think he needs f-16s? now >> no, he does not need at 60s now. there is no basis in which there is a national to provide f-16s. >> you are not ruling it out? >> i am ruling it out for now. >> representative, based on what we heard from my colleague, who is actually in kyiv about this being a race against time. do you think president biden's decision hurt ukraine's ability to end the war sooner than later? >> no it does not. really, the whole thing is puzzling to me, as i spoke to the military leaders, like the president, they explained it perfectly well as to why the f-16s are not crucial right

now. except for, i had a couple more pieces of context here. the reason the ethics 16 is not crucial right now is, for two reasons, number one, in order to have an operational at 16 in ukraine, you don't only have to train the pilots, there's an incredibly long logistics tale that has to go with it. you have to have mechanics, you have to have spare parts, and you have to have airfields set up to accommodate an f 16. all of that would cost enormous amount of money. even if right now today, we decide nothing more important than getting the at 16 to ukraine, it would take months as there are more than six, probably closer to 12 to get f-16s and ukraine and to have them operational. do you have the pilots trained, mechanics trained, spare parts, fuel stations, everything set up to make it happen, that's how long it would take. that's number one, number two, the f-16 is a fourth generation fighter. that means it does not have

much in the way of defenses. certainly not against fifth generation fighters, which the russians have. the ability of the f-16 to survive on the battlefield would be incredibly limited. the ukrainians have fourth generation russian fighters, which they have only used incredibly sparingly. is there a scenario whereby ex at 16 in a certain isolated situation if you use it just right, you have the absolute right window, you managed to jam the other defenses could potentially be useful in a couple of situations? sure. maybe. if you got lucky. it is not crucial to the fight right now. what is crucial to the fight right now is everything the president biden just laid out. artillery, tanks, ammunition, that is what they need right now. if we spend the time, resources, and money trying to get the f-16 to them, it would

undermine the ability to get them what they do in fact need now and for the next, at least 6 to 8 months. >> congressman, i want to ask about china, yesterday, they unveiled what they call a position paper which appears to be at odds with it would new intensity on the battlefield in ukraine as well as china's continued diplomatic and economic support for moscow. the secretary general says the alliance of seen side that china is considering providing lethal military aid to russia. in your opinion, does china's involvement create escalation versus the escalation at this point? >> it's a huge concern. i met with the chinese council base in san francisco, but represents the west coast for china yesterday. we talked about a lot of things, we talked about the specifically. look, china is basically trying to walk a very fine line. they have a partnership with russia, which is well understood, it's primarily based on wanting to oppose the united states and the western

alliance. they would love to see us fail. on the other hand, they also continue to claim that they respect sovereignty. they are trying to build relationships with dozens of different nations across the world. if they appear to be supporting russia's blatant war, that violates sovereignty more directly than anything for about 75 years, that undermines their credibility so they will try to maintain their relationship with putin and russia while also not offending the rest of the world. the peace plan they put out was a pr effort, basically, look, we are for peace. meanwhile, behind the scenes, they are talking about escalating the war. i mean that point very clear as we were talking about how u.s. and china could potentially get along better. that russia is a major friction point and that. if china acts to prolong the war by helping russia, that is going to severely undermine

china's war in the world. they are saying one thing on one side, one thing on the other. and we will walk that balance, i support secretary blinken all the u.s. leadership that signed a light shine a light on this and putting the pressure on china. >> congressman, i apologize, we don't have more time with you, but i do want you, to come back because there is a lot of questions we have as we enter this year to in the war in ukraine. representative adam smith, thank you for joining us this morning, i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up, 44,000 hours, that's how much capital surveillance footage speaker of the house kevin mccarthy gifted to fox news's tucker carlson. it could have grave national security consequences. for all of us. i have my saturday morning power political panel coming up after this break. litical panel coming u after this break after this break ♪♪ we all have a purpose in life - a “why.” maybe it's perfecting that special place that you want to keep in the family...

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is defending his decision to give a fox news host tucker carlson in the exclusive access to 44,000 hours of capital surveillance footage from the january 6th insurrection. mccarthy told the new york times that he promised to do so after being asked by the media about the tapes. he said quote, sunshine makes the everybody makes their own judgment, he denies a truth by the way. other news organizations including nbc news an msnbc formally requested kevin

mccarthy grant them access to the same security footage that he shared with tucker carlson and fox news. we have not heard back from mccarthy's office, but why should we would shoot we'd be worried that didn't carlson's hands specifically? for starters, he's a conspiracy theorist who is repeatedly questioned and downplay the insurrection. >> when i think going to admit that there was no insurrection? never. so fbi operatives were organizing the attack on the capital. on january 6th. according to government documents. it turns out that this white supremacist insurrection was, again, by the governments moaned own admission in the documents, organized in part, by government agents. what did happen on january 6th? what is the truth of that day? that is still unknown. this was not an insurrection. you know what we'll get you to insurrection? if you ignore the legitimate concerns of a population.

>> i get in trouble if i threw something, right? my power political panel joins me, fernando monte, msnbc political analyst, and david jolly, msnbc political analyst, and former republican congressman from florida. david like, me is no longer what the republican party. that's an important thing we add, right, david? i want to start with you, i want you immediate reaction that mccarthy goes over, what tucker carlson calls himself, unfettered access to 44,000 hours of the surveillance footage. >> doubles down on what we know, kevin mccarthy is beholden to maga, beholden to tucker carlson, and fox news. if he does not comply with their every wish, kevin mccarthy knows they will immediately call for his unfitness as speaker. all it takes is one vote because of what he negotiated away for the spike fight to become speaker. this shows you what a compromised speaker acts and looks like, katie. >> david, to finance point, you have chuck schumer and bennie thompson, they are slamming

kevin mccarthy, warning the release of this video can compromise capitol security there, it's also a concern that chuck carlson does what he does best, right? spread more conspiracy theories, and editing this material. mccarthy told supporters that he gave tech hurls an access to the footage on wednesday during a fundraising appeal. david, my fear, is this one of the deals that mccarthy brokered? one of the backroom deals that we don't know the details about, in order to secure the speakership? is this something that is alarming that we can see down the road? >> it's clearly one of the things we can expect down the road. i think there is a lot to unpack, katie. starting first and foremost for the acknowledgment that carlson is becoming one of the most dangerous voices in american culture. you see it nightly, the statements he made indicate his danger to the american culture. a big question around kevin mccarthy is this, is this because he is beholden to the modern caucus, or is it because he's fully a part of it?

is this kevin mccarthy's insurrection as an apologist? it certainly seems like it. this would be an odd thing he had to promise to become speaker. this reflects who he is. he's willing to jeopardize national security and capital security for his own political ambition. >> fernand, let's talk about maga circus, marjorie taylor greene, she's a member of homeland security. i want don't want people to forget that. making headlines, calling for a national divorce. i want to take a quick listen to what she has been saying about it. >> everyone i talked to is sick, tired, and fed up of being bullied by the left. the last thing i ever wants to see in america is a civil war. no one wants that. at least everyone i know would never want that. it's going that direction. >> that's the weak backpedalling, that is doubling down on fox news on tuesday night. she's calling for a civil war. i don't care what she wants to sugarcoat it with that now.

she looking for a -- red states and blue states. how is that not supposed to be interpreted in any different way? >> it's not, she's calling for civil war. say it again, she is calling for civil war. when you took her oath of office and put her hand on the bible, she did not pledge to preserve, protect, and defend the red states. should preserve, protect, and defend the united states. katie, this is someone that was an open insurrectionist, a defender of the january 6th defended coup. i don't understand what it takes, where the calls for violation -- over and over again, hatch acts violent on a daily basis. where's line forsman? i asked the question now, you heard her and repeatedly calling for civil war with that national divorce. it's not coated language, it's clear explicit language. that needs to be a violation of her constitutional oath. we can't expect a compromised speaker in kevin mccarthy and the republican leadership, in essence, following on that line

to do something about it. that's the problem we are in. >> david, you served in congress, you were at the united states capital serving alongside with democrats and republicans. is that the case that, because kevin mccarthy will not gain keep, and will not keep people in control that we are facing this problem now? >> yeah, in many ways, he was overrun by unserious legislatures. i'm worried about that, the house has become a playground, and not able to respond to national international crisis. some of the leadership in the uk that we have been there for a while. with margie the ignorance of marjorie taylor greene's comments shows it, last i checked, georgia is trending blue. -- i hope you can work well with gavin newsom. because of how stupid of a comment can you make? it's not just a call for civil war, it's when you wrap it in her declaration that she is a christian white nationalist, we need to be a nation of white

nationalism. that's when you get to the real danger, the liberal democracy. a trampled on freedoms and the other freedoms that the united states had previously protected. the unnecessary ethnics comes back in when you see her elevated by kevin mccarthy and given equity among her republican colleagues, like this is a valid and legitimate voice in the house. which is a lot of dangerous questions for where we are. >> stupid is, as stupid it does. is that what forrest gump says? thank you to the political panel. david jolly and fernand ahmadi, more importantly, my friends, thank you for being here with me. coming up. those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. now, 140 years after the united states government banned chinese immigration in a racist panic. texas wants to ban chinese citizens from buying property in the lone star state. this is a conversation you don't want to miss. keep it right here on msnbc. miss keep it right here on msnbc. keep it right here on msnbc.

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has an updated take on red lining, this time targeting a new racial demographic. a new bill filed in a state senate aims to ban citizens, governments, and entities of china from purchasing any property in texas, including residential property. unsurprisingly, texas governor greg abbott has already unequivocal-y said that he will sign the bill. as republicans point to the geopolitical tension between the united states and china after the u.s. military shot down a suspected chinese spy balloon over south carolina earlier this month, chinese citizens are not the only ones being singled out. the bill also would apply to citizens or companies from russia, north korea, and iran. as yet, there are no exceptions

from legal permanent residents, visa holders, or dual citizens. joining me now is rated law, founder and chair of the asian american leadership council. it's a pleasure to have you here this morning. i want to ask you immediately, straight out of the gate, what are you on your organization doing to stop the passage of this particular bill? >> good morning, katie. thank you for having me here. after this bill, 147. and it was putting out and the community was outraged. we were feared. and we are very, very angry. we have been organizing the community to voice our concerns to the legislators when the bill comes out. during the time, i think it is one month since i started to organize the communities, we started to educate, train the

people to make phone calls, sending emails, and also we organize the rallies against these two bills. these two bills are putting people in the communities as a scapegoat. as there are many legal immigrants in the usa, we should not be the scapegoat of the conflict between the united states and other countries. in history, 1882, chinese exclusion act prohibited all immigration of chinese -- and the chinese exclusion was only more implemented to prevent all members from a specific ethnic or national groups from immigration to the usa. this new bill, after 140 years, these two new bills going to repeat the history again, targeting chinese americans, starting with stripping ownership of properties. >> lin, i'm glad you brought up

the history, it's important for the viewers to understand, in the late 19th and early and 20th centuries are bylaws were passing numerous states, specifically barring asian people from owning land. we talked about the chinese exclusion act in the late 1800s banned chinese laborers to the united states for ten years we cannot forget about the internment of japanese americans during world war ii. this kind of racial fearmongering is not anything new, obviously. what are the concerns in texas about the uptick in anti aapi hate, especially when it looks like this racism gets legitimized a by politicians. >> the proposed legislation -- securities jet. but we did not punish sovereign getting citizens, after 9-1-1 when nearly 3000 people died of the terrorist attacks and the threats. these pieces of legislation

which strip immigrants of the rights to purchase real property, and around the texas governor and legislators unchecked power to classified, any immigrant group as a security threat in the future. today, immigrants work hard for a visa, any visa, and all these visas, for these four countries for security threats. how about the citizens who were born here? how to identify who is a u.s. citizen, and who is not? do we have to carry out passports in hand and show them to anyone any what we show up? i'm afraid of these two bills will escalate the asian hate crimes once they are passed in the signing. aapi does not look the same to many other people. >> i want to thank you, ling luo for being here, we will watch this proposed bill very carefully to see how it proceed in the texas state legislature. it steals the american dream for a lot of people. thanks for taking the time for

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