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>> a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters. welcome to alex witt reports. we are beginning this our new finding in ukraine as russia's war enters your two. ukrainian officials claim they suffered more than 70 attacks in the last 24 hours, including one they say led to this fire right here at a kindergarten in kherson. president biden meanwhile shooting down china so called peace plan to bring ukraine and russia back to the negotiating table. here is what he said in a new interview. >> we are deploying, it's not how could it be any? good i'm not being facetious. i'm being that they earnest. i've seen nothing in the plan to indicate that there is something that would be beneficial to anyone other than russia if the chinese plan moved forward. this is the idea that china is going to be negotiating the outcome of a war that is a totally unjust war for ukraine

is just not rational. >> also, new this. our protesters are mobilizing cities across the country against a texas push to ban abortion pills. here's what one congresswoman told me this last hour about the lawsuit to block the use of medication abortion. >> this could cut off access to over 40 million people who need this drug for health care, for treating ectopic pregnancies, for treating all kinds of things including for having abortions. it just goes to show, that these extreme republicans will go to any length to prevent people from having the right to make choices about their own health care. >> in just a few minutes, we are gonna tell you what the white house is planning an anticipation of the ruling in this case. also, new reaction to health speaker kevin mccarthy reportedly turning over 44,000 hours of january 6th capitol riot video to fox news. news organizations are now demanding equal access to the

congressional records. that includes nbc news. the former lead investigator on the general six committee told me security concerns from capitol police-limited even investigators access to the videos and what they chose to release publicly. we are going to have more on that, in just a moment. but we have a number of reports covering all of these lengthy developments from washington d.c., to wilmington delaware, ukraine. we are going to start with nbc's allie raffa in wilmington. ali. we know that the president has been making news on 2024. what does even say? >> yeah, alex. president biden in a new interview with abc news making as 2024 intentions probably ask clear as he can make them right now. and that comes after first lady jill biden gave her most direct 2024 comment to the associated press yesterday, saying essentially, the only thing left to do before this reelection announcement is to pick a time and place for it to happen. take a listen to a piece of president biden's interview with abc news yesterday.

>> my intention is -- but there's too many other things that we have to finish in the near term before i started campaign. >> the first lady jill biden traveling in kenya. she was asked yesterday, is all that's left at this point simply setting a time and a place for the announcement? and she said, pretty much. >> do you agree with your wife. >> god lover. look, i meant what i said. i have got other things to finish before i get into the full mueller campaign. >> the president also asked whether he factors his own age into that big decision. he says that he doesn't, but he understands why other americans are concerned about it. saying their concerns are quote, illegitimate. after all, alex. the president is the oldest president in office right now. he would be 86 at the end of his second term. >> yeah, deadly weather discussion. let me ask you quickly, ali.

on the new word from the white house on that pending texas court ruling, it would potentially ban abortion pills. what are you hearing on that? >>. >> so, access to women's reproductive health care is something that the white house has been monitoring and effort -ing since the overturning of roe v. wade. and in reaction, as we anticipate this texas ruling, the white house is putting out a statement today saying that if this drug that was approved by the fda more than 20 years ago is kept from the market, the white house says it would be quote, unprecedented and devastating to women's health. the white house says it's working very closely with the department of justice, and the department of health and human services. to make sure that this drug or alternatives to it at is as accessible as possible for women across the country. the white house says it's continuing to monitor the situation, this case very closely. as a matter, fact this issue came up during a meeting that vice president kamala harris

had with medical experts at the white house yesterday. the white house ensuring that this is something definitely on the radar that they are continuing to watch as we await this decision. >> okay, allie raffa. thank you so much for that report. let's talk now about the new demands for kevin mccarthy to assure thousands of hours of january six footage with news organizations. and we go to nbc's julie tsirkin on capitol hill for that. what are you hearing, actually from lawmakers about their concerns over fox news getting this video? >> well, prominent democrats from leader schumer in the senate to leader jeffries in the house are saying that there are legitimate security concerns here, because much of this 44,000 hours of security footage from every camera in this capitol complex in january six was not previously disclosed or available to the public so they are now calling mccarthy's actions incomprehensible in turning this over exclusively to tucker carlson. i should, that we have contacted mccarthy several times to no avail. he made very brief comments to the new york times a couple of

days ago saying he quote, promised to turn this over to the american people. but what he did instead was turn it over exclusively. and in carlson's, where it's unfettered access to these tapes to carlson and his team. when you look at how they generate six committee has handled, not only this material but their investigation as a whole, they were very careful to make sure that the chain of custody on this material was not broken. take a listen. i want our audience to hear a part of the interview you had with him haiti with the lead investigator of the january six committee. take a listen to what he had to say and how his panel handled this investigation of these materials. >> we had very careful constraints on access to that information for security concerns. we had a dedicated terminal in our space. we had password protected access for only a handful of staff. and importantly, before we used any of the footage, any of the capitol police surveillance camera footage, we had a

discussion with the capitol police about whether disclosure of that particular clip would jeopardize institutional security. they very jealously guard the location of these multiple cameras. i >> so, not many answers, alex. from mccarthy's team in terms of how they handed over this material. did the producers from fox news i have to also log into a secure portal, or do they just have a trove of all these videos to do what they please and cut as they want. during next week's broadcast when carlson said this will be revealed. separately, yesterday this prompted several news organizations including hours to send a formal request to mccarthy for access to all of this footage so that all of the media can have it and not just fox news, who of course will cherry-pick this. as carlson has refused to even call it having a january 6th and insurrection. and i should note, the january 6th select committee that simply wasn't investigator, on work for nearly a year and i have to disprove and debunk some of those very conspiracy

theories that carlson was spreading on his show. >> okay, julie tsirkin, thank you very much for that. meantime, for all of you right now our nation's capital police are, people rather, are gathering on the steps of the lincoln memorial. there is a rally in support of the one year anniversary of the war in ukraine. and the ukrainian community. joining me now from d.c. is nbc's marissa par with that. so, marissa, welcome. looks like it is a little snowy there. but what can we expect from the rally as people are beginning to show up? >> yeah, i was going to. say i don't know how much you can tell but it is snowing. here and even though the weather is less than ideal, certainly a change from the nice weather we have been having, you can see that is not stopping so a slow trickle of people who are coming in from all across the country. we are hearing together here at the lincoln memorial even though we are about an hour out from the official start. we did have a chance to speak with one gentleman who was out here much earlier than the rallies start. he was holding a ukrainian

flag. you are going to hear from him from just a moment. but what he was saying is, he just wants to make sure that ukrainians are not forgotten even though we are about a year out from the start of this invasion. and he was saying he knows people in ukraine. he shared some stories with us. take a listen. >> one town close to kyiv from bucha. she had to flee to western ukraine for a while. finally came back and she is struggling. price of food is expensive. she sees ukrainian drones flyover, had missiles fly, overhead there's explosions from the missiles and drones that are so close to her on that you can feel the ground shaking from beneath her feet. and one of the biggest fears that she always tells me is, she is afraid that the world is going to forget about them. and they are going to be stuck fighting for their lives all by themselves. so i am out here trying to make sure they are not forgotten. >> and you can probably see on the steps behind me, a large

number of people that are starting to gather with ukrainian assigns or flags of support for the people of ukraine. in fact, several of the people i've had a chance to speak to either fled ukraine or maybe were originally born in ukraine. as well as some signage asking for russia to be held accountable, and for more support from the united states to be sent to ukraine. back to you. >> about you in about an hour from now there will be a sea of blue and yellow there for us to see. thank you so much, marissa parra? >> more now on china's push for peace talks between russia and ukraine. the chinese you had ambassador, urging both sides yesterday to return to negotiations in an apparent attempt to signal that fears of china moving closer to russia may be unfounded. >> knew we call on russia and ukraine to resume negotiations without any preconditions. ukraine is i -- know one should seek to benefit

from the conflicts at the cost of the ukrainian people. >> joining me, now retired at admiral abbott now nbc news security analyst and a good friend to us. , admirable welcome. hours before this happened, as you, know u.s. officials were publicly warning china to refrain from providing any kind of lethal weapons to russia. did this overtures surprise you? but when you just heard, how seriously do you take it? and, i guess the bottom line is, can china be an honest independent broker to kickstart some sort of a peace process? >> those are the right questions,. alex let's take them in order. i don't think there is a great deal of substance in this proposal, because it begins from a flawed predicate. the flawed predicate is that ukraine and russia are somehow equal on the field of moral concern. it is russia, who invaded

ukraine. you know, that i know that. the chinese no. that and putin could stop this war tomorrow by simply withdrawing his troops. so the idea that somehow these are two equal combatants, and that they ought to be coming together to negotiate, i think it's just a flawed premise. is it a serious proposal? i think your read a passage about right. which is that, knowing that the u.s. is going to publicize any aspect of really gully that goes to ukraine, china is trying to demonstrate, oh wait a minute, we are for peace. trying to defuse that a little bit. and then third and finally, can china be an honest broker? i think not. they are clearly aligned with russia. immediately before this invasion, you will recall during the olympics, president putin effectively called aside president xi and said, hey, get ready for something big.

it will go really fast. you will really like. it those two nations are drawing closer and closer together. and that spells trouble for the world. >> yeah, only if you could be a fly on the wall during the two of them being seen at the olympics opening ceremony together. you remember that box. yeah, what was percolating there. but, let's talk about president zelenskyy says that he will meet with president xi. but, his remarks these days focus exclusively on winning the war. they have the highest ranking u.s. military officers as victory as ukraine has to find it is unlikely to come this year. take a listen, sir. >> their stated political objective is to, for every single russian to leave every single inch of ukrainian territory. i think that is a very high bar. i think from military standpoint, only that would be extrude ordinarily difficult to achieve militarily. >> it all depends on the support, so general miller, if

he wants us to push the enemy as soon as possible back to russia, it also depends on him. he also needs to provide support. admiral, i'm curious what you read towards the line here. it doesn't make southeast at a high bar for victory. it's like he's at a bar that is like, all right what we can do this. meet in the middle. and then try to >> yeah, pursue it. alex, you could be on the negotiating table. what you want to do is set the highest bar possible. our job here in the west is to give our ukrainian friends the tools to put them in the best position when the negotiation ultimately comes. general mart mark milley, he worked for me in afghanistan when i was the nato commander, he's correct that militarily, the task of completely dislodging every russian from

every inch of ukrainian soil, i get it that that's the opening statement of the president of ukraine. but militarily, that's going to be very difficult. that's why -- our negotiations. i think in the end, this will probably look a bit like the end of the korean war, where we start with some kind of cease-fire, we have some kind of negotiation. again, our job is to give the ukrainians the tools, so they can be as strong as possible when that moment of negotiation comes along. >> speaking of tools and by the way, i think you're absolutely 100% correct. unsurprisingly. let's take a look at the military aid that the u.s. has sent to ukraine so far. thousands of drones, a patriot missile, and other defense systems. boats, helicopters, 8500 javelin anti armor systems. 75,000 body armor -- 109 bradley fighting vehicle's, 31 abrams tanks, 600 trucks, trailers, 1700 humvees, 30 himars rocket systems, 50,000

grad rockets. i mean, it's impossible to list it all. suffice to say, a lot. and ukraine is pushing now for american fighter jets. but here is where general milley says the focus should be. let's watch that, sir. >> the focus right now needs to be air defense artillery, and artillery. just basic, run-of-the-mill -- artillery. maybe if we are lucky, touch wood, the diplomats will enter the fray here and they will get to a negotiating table at some point. >> with all the worry that the seemingly bottomless supply of u.s. military aid place or role in keeping both sides away from the negotiating table. >> no, i don't worry about that. let's face it, if we were not supplying this amount of aid, russia would have rolled over the ukrainians by now, despite all of their courage, all of their fighting spirit, their charismatic leader. so, we are meter-ing out a

system or two at a time what the ukrainians need. my view, it's time that just like we initially bought in sending tanks and armored personnel carriers, we are going to end up sending them fighter jets. the sooner we get to that, the better, because that is how the ukrainians can be the best possible position when, as general milley correctly says, the diplomats get on to the field. last point, alex, let's keep it in perspective. 50 billion dollars in aid so far from the united states. 50 billion also from europe, collectively. a lot of that is humanitarian, but a lot of it is military. even so, that is a tiny amount, compared to our gross domestic product, our military budgets both in europe and here. it's a very sensible investment, and it's one that both mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer agree on, across the political spectrum. i think we're getting it about right. add some fighter jets and we

will be right where we need to be. >> very quickly, sir, how quickly will the war and? would the war and if f-16s were provided? >> i don't think f-16s would be a game-changer. i think it might accelerate the time at which both russia and ukraine would be willing to come to the negotiating table. and hey, last, saw those protesters standing up for ukrainians. there is a huge ukrainian american community in the united states, and they're very strongly supporting wearing my ukrainian pocket square in their honor today. this is a cause worth fighting for. this is not charity, and it is the right thing to do. >> i love seeing the blue and yellow, thank you, sir. appreciate your time, as always, and your expertise. certainly, there's exercising your freedom of speech, and then there's getting your 15 minutes of fame. new reaction to that grand jury for a person who opened up this week, whether she did any damage to the case, next. dama tgeo the case, next with the subway series. an all-star menu of delicious subs.

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in the georgia investigation to former president trump. fulton county da, fani willis, says a decision on charges, rather, is imminent, but the special grand jury for person may complicate things. emily course telling nbc news and other outlets of the grand jury recommended indictments in the case. >> it's not a shortlist. >> we are talking about more than a dozen people? >> i would say that, yes. >> are these recognizable names, names that people would know? >> they are certainly names that you would recognize, yes. i don't think that there are any giant plot twists coming. i don't think that there are any, like, giant, that's not the way i expected this to go at all. i don't think that's in store for anyone. >> joining me now is msnbc

legal analyst, charles coleman. civil rights attorney, former prosecutor, and host of the charles coleman podcast. welcome, my friend. look, let's we've -- been talking about this investigation, it's been under lock and key for months. is it okay that the four woman is being this open about what went on? have you seen this before? is it legal? >> well alex, it is legal. there are different rules in different distinctions, and the judge who was over this case, and over this grand jury in the investigation, made it clear that they were able to talk about it, but they give them specific rules as to what it was that they could and could not say. and i believe that the four person has done her best in trying to abide by those rules. now, the question of them being legal is one thing. but the question of them being helpful is entirely different. this is not helpful for fani willis and the fulton county da's office as they are now trying to make a decision as to which of the grand jury's recommendations they will move forward on. and it can't be something that they are looking forward to to

have this person, this for person in the press talking about what went on in the proceedings, even as she's abiding by the judges rules. so no, it's not -- but yes, it's very much so something that is an annoyance to fani willis and not helpful at all. >> well, guess what? emily kohrs didn't stop there and what we are just playing, went to the further detail, in fact. take a listen to a bit more of what she said. >> my coolest moment was shaking rudy giuliani's hand. that was really cool for me. i made a point of stopping them being like, wait, before we go back to this, can i shake your hand? because it's an honor to meet the guy. >> senator lindsey graham, what was his like? >> fantastic. he was personable. i really like him, i really like talking to him. i kind of wanted to subpoena the former president because i got to swear everybody in. and so, i thought it really really cool to get 60 seconds with president trump of me looking at him and being like, do you solemnly swear? and i just kind of thought that would be awesome, awesome

moment. >> you know, she sounds kind of starstruck by these high-profile republicans. can this harm the probe in the public eye? or worse yet, could it have an impact on the findings of the grand jury? >> at this point, the grand jury is turning this report in, terms of its recommendations. and so, i worry less about that and more so than i do ultimately the integrity of the findings, because you are talking about a four person who, you know, she may have been alone in this regard. but as you said, obviously very starstruck by these individuals, these elected officials, and the like. and i don't necessarily know that that is a consideration that should be taken into account during deliberations, as far as the recommendations are concerned. i'm not certain that it was, and we cannot be sure that it was. but certainly, the way that she's talking about her being enamored with many of these figures is cause for concern, and should be something that multiple parties are looking at with a very careful eye.

>> give me a sense of how the district attorney might be reacting to these interviews, and how she decides whether to bring charges. >> well, i think fani willis has shown herself to be someone who is a very independent thinker, is very much so motivated by what she believes are the facts in front of her. so, i don't anticipate that she will be overly swayed by this. however, i can't imagine that something that isn't on her radar, nor is it something that she's pleased with. this is only going to intensify questions from the media and from outside sources. and that's not something she necessarily wants to deal with, particularly as she's contemplating in the late stages, as to who to indict, whether to indict, and where to move forward in terms of her prosecution. >> here's a question with the new york times reporting that ivanka trump and jared kushner have been subpoenaed in the special counsel, jack smith's january 6th investigation. might they tell a grand jury more than they told the january six committee, given the political nature of the 16 committee? are there different, charles,

legal consequences for what i witnessed testifying before a special counsel, versus a congressional committee? >> well, absolutely. i think that they need to understand in there likely going to be advised weather attorneys that these resources available to the doj and jack smith, in terms of the fbi and their ability to investigate even further than the 16 committee could go, only before time constraints, it's going to be significantly greater. and so, anything that they say that either is half truth or not truth, or an incomplete answer, is going to have a different effect than it would in front of the 16 committee. the 16 committee can only make a referral, for example, for either perjury or for non cooperation, something of the like, where is the doj can just move forward if they have a witness, who is either being dishonest or not telling the entire truth. and so, there are a different host of considerations that they, as witnesses, we'll have to take into account when they're talking to jack smith, then they would've as if they were talking to them on the six committee. >> all right charles coleman,

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sign got a dusting of snow. that is just crazy. >> it is absolutely crazy. we actually have a guy who made a snowball near his home, and right now, we are seeing some of that rain taper off. we haven't seen any rainfall like we saw earlier this morning for at least an hour and a half. but behind me, you can still see the l.a. river through this river corridor. it's still moving very swiftly, but we can tell that the water level has dropped at least a foot. you know, over the last day or two, we've seen snow, whiteout conditions up in the mountains, spin outs in ventura county, they had to do a swift water rescue for a person that was stuck in a vehicle. even here in los angeles county, some of the vehicles were stuck on i-5 and ended up submerged, and it's just incredible to see some of those images that are coming out of california. abc news meteorologist, angie last man, explained a little bit of what we can expect today. >> we still, at this hour, have

a flood watch extending from santa barbara, los angeles, and down into san diego, where we will see additional rainfall working onshore, as the system continues to impact down there. here's a look at the radar. you can see the heavy rain that's stretching from fresno to bakersfield, santa barbara, those mountains just outside of it, picking up on some additional snowfall. and then los angeles, still dealing with some of the heavier rainfall, although i think the heaviest of it is behind you. we're still going to pick up on a little more through the day today. >> and that makes a lot of sense because again, that rain has kind of stopped for now. but we looked on the radar, could see, you know, some smaller bands that could possibly come through this area. so again, that flash flood warning is still in effect here. and the big concern now is once the snow starts melting and those higher elevations, there could be the impact for more flooding. and also mudslides, and that's one of the things that officials often like to warn people about is, don't get comfortable. there could be dangerous impacts, even as the storm moves on. alex? >> definitely have to stay vigilant, so thank you for that. very important reminder. dana griffin, appreciate that.

meanwhile new health concerns three weeks after a train carrying hazardous chemicals derailed in ohio. researchers finding levels of air pollutants there that could pose some long term respiratory risks. in contrast to statements by state federal regulators and, yeah, the air is safe. nbc's jessi kirsch is an east palestine for us. jesse, welcome. let's talk about what the residents are saying about their health concerns and couple that with the government's response. >> yeah, so alex, we have people more than three weeks after this derailment in this community still worried about their health. we were at a town hall event last night with erin brockovich, she's part of one of the legal teams that's looking to take action against norfolk southern railroad here in this community, and i saw a woman leaving the event because she was saying she couldn't take being there because her eyes, her eyes were bothering her that much. she felt like she needed to leave, and someone from the team involved with the event said, make sure you are documenting that. so, that's the kind of

conversation that we're hearing in this community. we also talk to someone yesterday who said she has bronchitis and that's tied back to those initial days, she says, and hasn't diagnosis to go with it. you can hear a rasping is in her voice. she says, that's not normal, she has an inhaler now, which was not something that she needed before this derailment. today, starting today, the cdc is now on the ground here. they're doing door drops, that's how they're freezing it. they're checking in with residents door by door in these communities because of these health concerns that are still outstanding. again, more than three weeks after this derailment. we also spoke with erin brockovich, of course, the famed environmental activist about what concerns her in this community, and what she makes of the initial findings from an ntsb investigation that came out a few days ago. here's part of what she shared with us. >> they dug a hole, they put all the chemicals in it, they set it on fire, and all those chemicals are going to reach into the aquifer. it takes time for them to

migrate through the aquifer. so, there needs to be a very good monitoring, groundwater monitoring program. not only for the municipalities, but for people on their own private wealth. they're the ones oftentimes impacted. >> so, this is just some of the questions on the ground here, alex. i think underscoring right there this is not a day by day situation for these people. some of the residents we've spoken with are looking long term, years from now. they're asking, was it going to be like here? both in terms of property values and in terms of their family self. so, a lot of unanswered questions in this community today. again, more than three weeks out from that derailment. but for its part, norfolk southern have said it is vowing to make this situation right. the question is what that will look like, alex. >> absolutely. let me tell you, erin brockovich comes on scene, you better be worried. by the way, she put out a photo on her twitter feed of her showing this oil slick. it was really discussing

looking on top of some sort of a running stream in the community. and i think it was just like, yeah, everything is just great with the water here. not. anyway, thank you very much, jesse, for that report. a curious development in the documents at mar-a-lago. how some documents showed up there after the fbi search. there after the fbi search. and homemade barbeque sauce. they're called 'small businesses.' but to the people who build them there's nothing 'small' about them. that's why at t-mobile for business... you'll save more than $1,000 versus verizon. and with price lock guarantee, we'll never raise your rate plan. so you can keep your focus on toe-turns and making sure the sauce is extra spicy. at t-mobile, there are no small businesses. ♪♪

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the guardian, trump's lawyers found a box of white house schedules, including some that were marked classified, at his mar-a-lago resort in december. because a junior aide to the former president had transported from another office in florida. let's bring in hugo -- political investigations reporter for the guardian. he broke that story. also, tim miller, msnbc political analyst and writer at large at the -- good to see you both. hugo, you first. curious the explanation that the trump camp is offering for why these documents were moved to trump's home after the mar-a-lago search. instead of being turned over to the department of justice. what have you heard? >> yeah, it's this really interesting sidebar in the documents investigation that currently is being conducted by the special counsel because we learned, in recent weeks, that the trump lawyers gave back to the government additional classified law documents, and there was a real kind of sense of, no one knew if this was the

fbi doing research or if there was more material that had been introduced into mar-a-lago after the fbi search. it turns out it is the latter. -- junior trump aide who got a promotion of sorts and got moved from one office into mar-a-lago. and when she moved back into mar-a-lago, she brought with her a box of presidential schedules that she then, that was then discovered by a second search team that trump had always retained, and also emerged that she had scanned the schedules onto her laptop. and so, i think you can understand why the special counsel's office was very concerned at the discovery of yet additional material. >> so here's the question, do we know at who's direction this young junior aide was asked to do that? has that been uncovered? and do we also know essentially when exactly they handed it over to investigators? >> yeah, we have some clarity. so, from what i understand, the

person who told the junior aide to stand on the laptop -- carry the box around with her is the senior aide called molly michael. you know, she really was a top aide in the trump administration, then also to trump in the weeks after he left office. she went on with him to mar-a-lago. so, we don't know if -- was instructed by someone else to kind of keep custody of the schedules, and that remains an open question. but clearly, even if there is a direct involvement from trump personally in this, that does seem to be a through line back to the former president wanting to keep hold of materials from his presidency that he did not return to the national archives or to the government at previous intervals. >> what's your interpretation of all this, tim? >> well, there are two thoughts here. i think that sometimes these classified documents stories, we just need to separate, particularly for viewers that are not as familiar with this process. like, there are different kinds of classified documents, right? super, super classified, then

there's just classified, right? and i think that we over classified documents a little bit. the government is a bipartisan thing, the presidential schedules, you know, it depends on what's on the. obviously, but should we be treating them in the same way that we treat, you know, secrets at nuclear sites? of course not, right? so i think that the trump issue has always been trump defying the subpoenas, right? as we've seen, -- having some classified documents lying around is not good practice, of course. but it's not nearly as big of an issue as what trump did, uniquely, which was defy the requests by the feds to return these things. that's what brought about the raid and i think that that is really, you know, the issue that put him in the most exposure, unlike the other politicians. >> yeah, okay. let's turn now to congress. as you know, members of the house are at odds this week after speaker, kevin mccarthy, turned over 44,000 hours of security video from january

6th. turned it over to fox's tucker carlson. mccarthy is claiming it's as we have fulfilling a promise that he made to voters but to him, to you, the question is this an act of transparency or is this some sort of a political power move? >> it's a political move. i don't know how powerful it is. i don't understand this one, i have to say. look, some of the kevin mccarthy investigations, you know, the hunter biden thing, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me on the merits. but politically, i understand why he's doing it. this, to me, is both gross that you would say that only the tucker carlson, a denier, essentially, of what happened on january 6th and the insurrection. so, it's immoral and wrong, unethical to do. but it's also terrible politics. look at how much time we're spending talking about this now. it's not good for the republican party to be relitigating what happened on january 6th. the american people have rendered their verdict on this. there's a small handful of the super magazines that want us, you know, to kind of look into

whatever alternative universe view of what happened on january six, but that's not the view of the american people. it crushed republican candidates midterms, the one who were conspiracists on january six in the 2020 election. and so, i think that this is bad politics, sort of bad on the merit. >> here's the interesting thing, though. democratic house minority leader, hakeem jeffries, has called this and egregious security breach. is that, tim, the main issue here or is it the concerns from democrats that fox could add it the tapes, put that out there, create some sort of a false narrative of january six? you know, cherry-picking the video. >> look, i think that the latter is the more likely of the experts -- security situation is, but on the politics of this, yeah, absolutely. you know what tucker is going to do, right? he will find over tens of thousands of minutes of video. you know, you can find examples of things that might paint a

different picture, right? that maybe a police officer letting somebody in through the gates or, you know, maybe an innocent looking person walking around the halls, right? you know that that's what tucker is going to try to do to muddy the waters. he's not going to be showing that video that you're showing right there of police getting violently attacked by donald trump supporters. and so, you know, will that work? i just don't think this is going to work. i think that this is bad politics and sure, there will be advil of people in the fox viewing audience who are misled, that's bad. the rest of the american people have rendered a verdict on this. >> okay, tim miller, who are -- my verdict as you guys are great. we will see you both again soon, thank you. the bigger picture of the book bans on the rise. hear from nikole hannah-jones, creator of the landmark 16 19 project next. 1 project next project next

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and gop president -- nikki haley have come out against the 16 19 project and other initiatives that they call race based education. nbc's -- explains. >> journalist and creator of the 16 19 project, nikole hannah-jones, is no stranger to criticism. >> you've called yourself a symbol for people who wanted to stoke the so-called culture wars. >> yes. >> what do you mean by that? >> well, i mean, clearly you can look at just last week, when nikki haley decides she wants to announce presidency. she includes the 16 19 project in that announcement. and includes it in ways that are not accurate and very disparaging of the project. >> the long from journalism project launch in 2019 by the new york times magazine reexamines u.s. history through the lens of the african american experience. and it's now a hulu docuseries. hannah jones says, her project spawned a larger so-called anti critical race theory campaign in the country. earlier this month, 16 19 was

referenced in former governor nikki haley's bid for the republican nomination. >> they say the promise of freedom is just made up. >> something our ideas are not just wrong, but racist. and evil. >> what is your response to nikki haley's video, calling out your project and making those claims? >> one, i don't think anyone can read the project and argue that the project thinks america is evil. nikki haley herself really erases and invisible eyes is how the black freedom struggle allowed her to be in a position to run for president. >> the project also cited by republican governor, ron desantis, as a reason for his controversial stop woke act, the legislation restricts teaching on race and sexuality in florida schools. the documentary series premiered just as florida's controversial ban of advanced placement african american history classes began. >> do you have a message to these mostly republican governors who are banning 60 19

and other race related education? >> yes, i mean, my message to these governors's, one, have you actually read the 16 19 project? our children deserve to be exposed to all types of different ideas. this is the role of a public education. >> former governor, nikki haley, did not immediately respond for comment. the desantis administration declined to comment on this matter. the film series also expands on the blitzer prize winning 16 19 project, including episodes on democracy, music, capitalism, and more. hannah jones, infusing her own families story throughout. >> you can't understand democracy without realizing that our founders did not actually believe in multi racial democracy, but black people did. >> hannah jones, hoping 60 19 story of america's complicated pass will bring a brighter future. 's in class and while, nbc news. >> that will do it for me on this edition of alex reports. i will see you again tomorrow at noon eastern. my friend, yassin fuji, and continues our coverage.

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