[speaking non-english] [speaking non-english] coming up on the second hour of amy, and kevin mccarthy's dangerous deal with conservative news media and speak with congressman jimmy gomez. after the gop's decision to give january 6th footage to fox

news. plus, donald trump's. why he should be apologizing to the people of east palestine instead of pointing fingers. and marjorie taylor greene has some new competition in our worst of the week our panel will decide whether she holds onto her illustrious title. i'm damon, let's get started. new tonight, media outlets and news organizations, including this one, nbc news, are now demanding that house speaker kevin mccarthy give them the same access to the 44,000 hours of january six footage that he gave the host fox host tucker carlson, laura headman the lawyer representing these outlets said a letter to mccarthy, quote, there is no basis for further delaying granting this access to these news organizations or any other media outlets that make similar

requests, kevin mccarthy gave exclusive access of this footage to tucker carlson, who spent the last two years downplaying the events of january six, calling the insurrection a, quote, nonviolent election justice protest. even produced a documentary, suggesting that the da's events were a false flag operation. this goes beyond just conspiracies, there is real concern that capitol security could be compromised if certain secure locations, including evacuation routes, or improbably released to the public. here's what congressman jamie raskin and member of the january 6th committee told my colleague, stephanie ruhle. >> we have security concerns about turning over the location of security cameras in the u.s. capital that the police use. we have concern about the escape and evacuation routes that were used on that day, we don't want to just throw her hands up and say let's just let everything go and that the

insurrectionists have the material that will allow them to plan the next january 6th. >> here's one hypothesis, why kevin mccarthy gave the footage to carlson, and only carlson. this was an olive branch to one of his most high-profile skeptics. mccarthy is trying to appease the far-right wing of his party this time, by effectively outsourcing a bid to re-investigate the riot to his favorite cable news commentator. because, kevin mccarthy, despite being speaker, is not the real powerbroker for a group of house republicans. remember, this is the same mccarthy who suffered through 15 humiliating rounds of voting before being elected speaker. and he only succeeded once he made concessions to the far-right at his party. mccarthy -- with marjorie taylor greene and jim jordan and was forced to wear wrote them with key committee assignments in

exchange for the votes. it's easy to see how this deal with carlson is a similar effort to win over former critic. kevin mccarthy has been speaker for little over a month and he's already given away so much power. you have to wonder if he still has or, if you ever had, any real power of his own. this is the point where we usually laugh at kevin mccarthy and kind of joke. but it's hard to laugh when mccarthy has deliberately and recklessly put peoples lives in danger. joining me now is democratic congressman jimmy gomez of california. he's a member of the house intelligence committee. congressman, it's good to have you back on the show. good to see you. why do you think chemically is giving this footage only to tucker carlson and the folks at fox? >> i want everyone to be very clear with kevin mccarthy and the extreme maga republicans are trying to do. they're trying to rewrite the history of the last two years and of -- so they can have a different political narrative going into 2024 and win a larger majority.

they do that on the house oversight committee which i'm on, by having these coming the types of investigations that everybody knows are based on conspiracy theories. now he's handing over these tapes to tucker carlson so that tucker can turn pick the footage that he deems necessary, to use the fox megaphone, to basically say that january six was no big deal. it's much ado about nothing. and it was only because the democrats in the liberal media are trying to manipulate you, reliving the republicans were involved in an insurrection that almost toppled our democracy. this is what they're trying to do. it's to get a buck, and gain more viewers and voters going into 2024. >> you have both leaders, hakeem jeffries in the house, chuck schumer in the senate condemning the move.

schumer says the release of the footage would, quote, compromise the safety of the legislative branch. do you agree with that assessment? how do you see the safety being compromised? >> as somebody who was in the capitol on january 6th who was one of the last 20 to 25 members who got evacuated by the capitol police when we had insurrection nests beating on the gallery doors, we know that every node and cranny of that capital was actually a security advantage that we had because they didn't know where they were going. and that's what allowed us to escape and make sure that nobody lost their lives were members of congress. it didn't stop them fact that police officers lost their lives. but imagine if they had actually known where they were going, what they were doing, things could've been a lot, a lot worse. so yes, we are concerned that this footage has information that will allow insurrectionists another january 6th to occur.

and also, does that mean our foreign adversaries, people who want to cause us harm, could they use that footage? we don't know yet because we don't know exactly what the contents of that footage and tells. and that's why i am supporting joaquin jeffries and getting more information to ensure that the safety and security of the people in the capital are maintained. >> how desperate is kevin mccarthy and all of this? what does it say that he is beholden to figures like tucker carlson and marjorie taylor greene? >> in means that he's a figurehead in name only. he might be the head but marjorie taylor greene is the neck that turns the head. is the extreme wing of the party that is putting the american people in danger. and remember, some of the things she said this past week even go to the core of what it means to be the united states of america.

so we are in a terrible place. we need to make sure that we push back and we don't allow them to change the narrative of the last couple of years. >> speaking of green, i'm sure you saw the news this week. she's defending her push for a national divorce between blue and red state saying the country is moving towards another civil war. i remember you pushed for greene to be stripped of her committee assignments in the last congress. i just want your reaction to having a sitting member of congress openly calling for the dissolution and dissolving of the united states of america. >> i find it personally offensive. someone who i believe in this country wholeheartedly. i believe in our institutions, and i believe that our differences are well settled at the ballot box and in legislative and political process. not the dissolution of our great country. and let's remember that she is not only the neck that turns the head, but she is also

oftentimes at the forefront of what is being spoken and talked about in the dark recesses of the extreme maga republican fear. so is she now someone who is spread the big lie in 2020? is there is something else that she's pushing? and i want to be very clear why this is dangerous. because the same people who believed the big lie will probably be the same people who start repeating this dangerous, dangerous rhetoric. that there should be a national divorce or succession of states from the union. and that would be a terrible, terrible mistake. >> let me switch gears for a moment. you recently launched the national debts crowd costs to -- for working families. even brought your five -month-old son to the house floor during that whole speaker vote fiasco. i hope he did well there

because that thing dragged on a lot longer than people anticipated. tell us about that caucus and what you hope to achieve for working families in this country. >> the dance caucus, i just realized we wanted to take advantage of all the attention that we got because the fact that i brought my son to the house floor. i got praise for something that women would often get criticized for. just taking care of their own child. but we can call attention to that double standard and create more support to support working families. everything from childcare, to paid leave. as the son of parents who worked 45 jobs to make ends meet, when i got sick with pneumonia, my parents missed shifts out work to take care of me. i know these policies can uplift families. if we want to talk about family values, we want to talk about

supporting families across the country. these are the policies that we need to get behind. i'm proud to be a founder of the dads caucus, but we want to make sure that we actually get some real legislative wins. >> some beautiful moments. there i see we're ready getting a taste of american political life. and i've gotta say, congressman, i'm super impressed by the way you are able to wrap that harness around you to keep him there on your chest. as a father, i always struggle. i did have the coronation to pull that off. >> some people actually said that i had it a little wrong on the footage. so i've learned since then. and i've done it better. so i don't want you to get called out. >> he looks like he's enjoying himself. there congressman jimmy gomez from california, thank you for joining. as i greatly appreciate your time. >> thank you, ayman. >> coming, up new indications that trump and his team were withholding classified documents from federal officials. stay with us. ♪ allergies don't have to be scary. (screaming)

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now at the center of the justice department investigation in the trump's handling of classified documents. why was another box containing classified materials just discovered at mar-a-lago? after several rounds of property searches, by federal agents that have already happened, according to a new cnn report, the box containing those documents was discovered in december, it was moved from an office in palm beach to mar-a-lago, which explains why the fbi did not find it during their searches, but prosecutors have continued asking why it wasn't given to the justice department earlier, and what, if any, role or knowledge trump himself may have had about this movement. meanwhile, a former adviser to mike pence, -- is condemning pence's move to fight the special counsel's subpoena, regarding the classified documents matter, he says, quote, mister pence's decision to brand the department of justices perfectly legitimate subpoena as unconstitutional is a far cry from the constitutionally

hollowed ground on which he stood on january 6th. joining me now to discuss this and more on my saturday night panel, liz winsted, cocreator of the daily show, tara setmayer, senior advisor at the lincoln project, and molly jong-fast host of the fast politics podcast. great to have all three of you with us. liz, i'll start with you, trump's attorney here claiming that the aid who digitize the classified documents in this box did not know that they were classified. do you buy that? >> the fact that they shoved this aid in a room where they were using adobe scan to put these documents into the computer, and then they ended up in a bridal suite, i don't know the timing of that, i do believe tiffany had a wedding? if there were some sexy time reading in the bridal suite at mar-a-lago, i feel like there's a lot of questions that you didn't ask me right off the bat that i want answers to. >> i'm right there with you. a lot of questions about what they were doing in that sweet. tara, the box of these

classified documents was apparently moved several times, it appears as though there was confusion on what trump's team should have done with the box, despite the fact that everybody and their mother in this country was like, hand over all the classified documents that you have. somehow, that memo did not get trickled down to the person who knew about that box. it seems to be a pattern of, at the very least, negligence in the trump world. >> sure, why is anybody surprised about this? first of all, donald trump has demonstrated he's incompetent at every level. and then, of course, it flows from the head. this has been nothing but a fiasco from the very beginning, donald trump is a professional -- he doesn't think the rules apply to him, doesn't think the law applies to him. he thought that he was a dictator when he was president of the united states, i'm the president, i am the effing president, we do what i want. this guy, is consistent with how this guy runs his life, his businesses and everything else. so, the difference though, this

time around, that the justice department is not run by a stooge of donald trump. it's actually run by serious people. you have the special prosecutor, who is not playing around. jack smith. all of this continued defiance is just going to continue to put, hopefully, the nail in the coffin, and finally, prosecute someone for all of this negligence, because not only is it negligent, it's illegal. enough is enough. none of us would ever get away with this. enough with giving special privilege to donald trump, and his lackeys, for their continued thumbing their nose at the law. >> molly, despite all of this, despite what tara was saying of everything that he has done, these ongoing investigations, new questions surrounding trump, you're right, in vanity fair, that the fever of trumpism isn't stopping in 2024. and that the republican party is still trump's party. talk to me about this thesis. >> it's not even that is trump's party, is that the party has shifted to this

authoritarian right. a lot of this thought leaders, of the republican party, are trying to sell trump-ism without trump, which in this case, they think of as -- here's desantis. he does trump without the unforced errors. but he still is really advertising himself as an autocrat. he focuses on things like education, trying to stop ap african american history. now, he's trying to take away all ap courses, or thinking about it. he's having committees to talk about that, he's also focused on this don't say gay law, where under third grade, they can only teach specific things. he has these authoritarian tendencies, which are trump-ish. i still don't necessarily think that these sort of, the never -- trump without trump scenario can possibly happen. i think a lot of people in the

republican party are going to try. >> let me turn to mike pence here for a moment, liz, you've got this former conservative judge who is condemning pence's decision to fight the special counsel subpoena. i think a lot of us are wondering, why pence is helping trump, especially when he might run against him in 2024. if this guy is shrewd as a politician, wouldn't he want to take out the main guy that stands in his way to this presidency? >> i mean, i guess so? didn't mike pence right up book? i just don't understand how mike pence what he's thinking about, right? i also think too, forgettable the other stuff, what it reveals to me is that mike pence took a job that he fundamentally didn't understand what his authorities were, in that job? and now he's arguing post facto and expect that to different things. so, he's mind-blowing to me.

and the fact that he even thinks he is, as molly rightly said, part of what the republican party is now, i mean, get a hobby. you're not gonna win. you are not part of what that party looks like. >> he did not want to testify in front of the january 6th committee because he's part of the executive branch. now, when the executive branch is saying, come testify in front of a special counsel, he's like, no, and part of the legislative branch. >> right. >> you can have it both ways. >> panel, stick around, we've got a lot more to discuss. ahead, trump owes the people of east palestine an apology. they did not get, it will explain, next. go for a run. go for ten runs. run a marathon. instead, start small with nicorette, which will lead to something big.

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derailed in a fiery crash, a crash i should note's belt ecological calamity in east palestine, suppressive prize, nobody wants to take responsibility for it. now the executives at the norfolk railway who lobbied the government for years to deregulate the industry allowing them to infect made their trains less safe. not ohio governor mike dewine who's slow walk this assistance from the federal government. not even transportation secretary pete buttigieg who waited ten days to address the disaster. funnily enough the only person seemingly eager to talk about the derailment is donald trump who visited east palestine this week as a political stunt. it particularly violent political stunt given it was his administration that in 2017 gutted obama air transit regulations that sought to prevent crashes. crashes just like the one and east palestine. my panel is back with me. molly, the trump administration

weekend rail safety rules. trump in my opinion should be apologizing to the people of east palestine. instead he's at mcdonald's there talking to them -- do you think is winning the pr game just by being on the ground there and doing what he is doing? >> so it wasn't this specific regulation that he wrote. i think it's important just to be specific. there was a specific regulation he wrote back that would not necessarily prevent this. but again, regulation would've prevented this. he was at war with government regulation. and he would every day make these speeches, remember, i roll back to regulations and -- for every regulation we rollback -- he bragged about it. what i think is so interesting and important about this event is that when we have these kinds of environmental catastrophes like we had with flint, like we have throughout history. we have this opportunity and

government, the come from and has an opportunity to redouble itself. when it comes to environmental regulation. and that is good for the country and it's good for the providence, it's good for all of us. so i do hope that despite the administration will take this as the opening that it is to really get serious about pushing these private companies to regulate. look, republicans have pushed democrats on the defensive about environmental regulation, right? they've said regulation is bad for the economy which isn't necessarily true. so certainly none of this derailment is good for the economy so democrats are winning here. and i hope they will take it because this will be good for all parties. >> so liz, can they take this -- can they claim a moral high ground because biden and buttigieg they had two years to wait for them -- not mr. li wait for a derailment to do something they could've moved on the broader trump rail safety deregulations and taken action.

>> i mean, sure, always. the fact that democrats are on the defensive on something that's an environmental tragedy is problematic in and of itself and i think it's also an unforced mom -- ever for pete buttigieg to not go and wait ten days before the opening really seems like, wow, and i know he was in -- i want the folks to do their job. dude, show up. you've got to show up we watched it happen with katrina when you wait, you lose. [inaudible] >> why does that happen, tara? you know the political world a little bit better. from the outside it seems like a relatively easy situation for state and federal officials to handle and i mean that not because of the complexity of it but get on the ground, listen to the concerns of the people affected. see what they need and my question is why didn't both governor dewine ask for more federal assistance early? why did secretary buttigieg way

days and days to address the public tragedy? it seems a politicians on both sides quite frankly they get caught so flat-footed. when >> it's a delicate balance. the mike dewine issue, i think he stopped ended by saying well if we have a problem then we will ask for the help. there was clearly a problem right from the very beginning and i think he was just trying to assert himself with the partisan line of not seeming to open to giving president biden any credit for doing the right thing. president biden offered immediately anything that they needed. and it was dewine, he was slow off that so that was a misstep on his part given how serious that incident was for the poor people of east palestine. as far as people buttigieg, the same thing with hurricane katrina, george w. bush was raging on the post for how long it took for him to get there. but if you work in government to understand that the footprint that the president of

the united states has is enormous and they didn't want to interfere with what was going on on the ground that was with katrina. on a smaller scale, secretary buttigieg, it's a similar thing you have the ntsb mediately on the ground you had fema they're relatively quickly. so they wanted to get an assessment of what they needed. could you have gone a couple of days earlier? sure, he should've gone there before trump at the epa administrator was there there other people who were there on the ground. so if you're explaining you're losing, which is the old adage in politics. so could you have got a couple of days earlier? probably but i think we're making more of that than it is but it is the pr battle, perception is reality. in hindsight, at least the most important part is that the people of east palestine get what they need. trump, all trump water that's been sitting there for god knows how long being tossed at them by donald trump as part of a political stunt, that's not exactly what those folks need. >> molly, fox noted earlier this week that trump's transportation secretary elaine chao never visited the site of a train derailment, even the ones that involved a fatality.

is there double standard with how the medias portraying this as opposed to previous derailments? >> the trump administration was a complete hot mess but i mean is that going to be the standard that we hold our government to? >> it should never be the standard to which we hold our government. >> so i mean the people he put in those cabinet positions, a lot of them were friends of friends or wives of donors. it wasn't a serious administration in many parts of it. look, yes, desperate -- the mayor got a lot of attention and he certainly has a national spotlight, but i think that again you see democrats being on the defensive with this. and they really don't need to be because the policy here is very much stuff that can be prevented by democratic legislation so ultimately they shouldn't be on the defensive they should be --

>> there should be pointing to this and saying this is why we do what we do. you know what else, they have to get it ahead of this whole idea of turning this, fox news crowd, the tucker carlson industrial conference, it's trying to turn it into some white grievance racial issue. some kind of location which i think is a poly. but it goes along with their typical narrative of turning everything into a white grievance issue and democrats really need to not allow that to happen. >> i'm shocked tara, a shock to would suggest that. i am so shocked, i can't believe you would do that. panel stick around we have a lot more to discuss when you come. back after the hour, the strength and resolve of the ukrainian people one year after the devastating war.

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shred of hope all terranova, the ukrainian refugee now living in germany has to hang on to as her husband continues to fight on the frontlines against russia. andré tries to center that little red heart every morning, to let her and their children know that he is still alive. this is just one story among millions, one year after ukrainians were displaced after the deadly russian invasion. the tax force more than 1 million ukrainians to flee their homeland, and supported millions of children from their fathers who stayed behind to

fight. as unicef puts in, quote, 7.8 million children have been impacted and robbed of their childhood, of time with friends and family of a peaceful life. they bear invisible scars in trauma that may take a lifetime to heal. joining me now is unicef spokesperson in ukraine, james elder, mr. elder, thank you so much for joining us. i really appreciate your time. one year later, there are about 8 million ukrainian refugees displaced from their homes, talk to me a little bit about how unicef is helping these people, what more needs to be done, one year into this war? >> hi there, amen. look, it's an enormous turnout amount needs to be done. our response has been -- across this country, whether we are right near those front lines, delivering medical supplies or surgical equipment. we reinforced bunkers, eamonn, to try and give kids a chance to go to school. school is not based on how many

children can get into a classroom, it's based on how many can fit into a bunker. the invisible wounds you spoke of, mental health support, again, millions of children, trained counselors. you name. it that's a huge part of trying to make sure when this war finally stops, they have a life to start again. there are real world wounds of war to, not just the invisible ones. sat with a 15-year-old boy, a couple of days ago. it's pretty hard to describe what it looks like, to see a child with the wounds of shrapnel they've gone through them. all he did was leave a bunker because he needed to get his mom water after a couple of days. this is the reality that boys and girls, live through as you and i speaking now. >> let me ask you about the u.s. response to this. the u.s. has admitted 271,000 ukrainian refugees in the last year. that is far more than president biden's initial 100,000 goal. how significant is that? do you believe the u.s. should

be and can be taking in more ukrainians in need? >> honestly it would be out of my unicef mandate for me to comment on how many people go where. i certainly know, being here, exactly 365,000 days ago. there wasn't a person i spoke to, not a single mom, who didn't want to come home. who hoped this would be short term. on one hand, as you said at the start of your show, this is a nation of fathers here, who have not hugged their children or seen their wives for a year. we also know, historically, over decades, when people do go to another country, the migration adds a normally, they're bringing their culture, they add to a workforce, this is not opinion, this is research. whatever a country can absorb for people who have learned so much, but would much rather be here with their loved ones, with her husband, with their grandparents of their children. then yes, these people at a normal amounts.

as i said, their homes here. but for the foreseeable future, they need a safe place to be. >> i've seen the impact interim of war on children and families. how concerned are you about the toll this war has taken on millions of ukrainian children. not, as you mentioned, just in the short term, but long term. how does an organization like unicef help these kids? >> yeah, awfully concerned, as you. we have learned from iraq, we learn from syria and yemen, and we keep learning, the longer a war goes on, the more children are exposed. the more damage is done to their learning into their emotional capacity, their socialization. there's good research, it has a long term impact on the future earnings. that impacts our community. unicef knows this. we trained teachers, we trained counselors, we do things online, we have social media. we have these safe spots all around the country, where we get children in where they can

play, where there are counselors there, just to give them a break and give their parents a break. we've reached a quarter of 1 million families, just with cash, that's another stress, ayman, that parents are facing. there's a huge amount we can do, but remembering that, a few hours ago, again, i was sitting in a bunker because there are more arid sirens. people are terrified of drones, more than missiles the tell me. and i'm sitting there, the thing that i experienced, sitting in these bunkers, the silence of children. they drop their heads, they catch their moms i, really? we're doing this again? the toll continues. all unicef can do is just be there with them by their sides. every minute of the day. >> when this war began, there was a lot of concern about ukraine's food supply. the u.n. warned that the food supply chain was falling apart. bring us up to speed on what the situation is like now. has it gotten better? is ukraine still in dire need

of food supply, of stable food supply? >> it's kind of both. the food supply within the country is okay and has improved. again, the capacity in this country is extraordinary. the way people pivot, the generosity, the acts of kindness that you see all the time is really, really remarkable. within the country, again, depending on where you are, those people in occupied areas, it is dire. people go weeks without proper food. equally important, of course, for those children from somalia to yemen to ethiopia, countries that relied so much on these bread basket here in the russian federation, and they are suffering. they're suffering from a climate crisis that they don't have a carbon footprint, and now they're suffering from war on the other side of the world. we have seen that the worst type of malnutrition, one that kills boys and girls, spike. because of the increase in the

stable food, in oil's, the magic food we can give a malnourished child. again, it's because of this invasion. >> james elder, thank you so much for your time. thank you for the incredible work that unicef is doing. best of luck to you in the organization, and everyone who's doing all they can to help alleviate the suffering in ukraine. hopefully this war ends and it does not go a day longer. thank you. >> after the break, we are going to lighten things up and find out which republican wins the title of worst of the week. stick around. k around she's been looking for. sotyktu is the first-of-its-kind, once-daily pill for moderate-to-severe plaque psoriasis for the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it's like the feeling of finding that outfit psoriasis tried to hide from you. or finding your swimsuit is ready for primetime. [dad] once-daily sotyktu is proven to get more people clearer skin than the leading pill. don't take if you're allergic to sotyktu; serious reactions can occur. sotyktu can lower your ability

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week, our first pick is returning champion, defending champ wheat we should say, marjorie taylor greene. who commemorated president biden's day for a -- that is exactly what she's advocating for, never mind the fact or the district -- the country is moving towards another civil war and, quote, we have to do something? about it, then there is new contender budget director, according to the washington post, he has become a driving

force in the house republican debt ceiling strategy. his budget proposal really calls for calling nine trillion dollars over the next decade from thousands of domestic programs from housing and food assistance to medicaid and the affordable care act. one thing, let's not forget though, their votes time as director, the debt exploded here, never proposed these cuts than. it's almost like republicans somehow magically only care about the debt when the democrat is in the white house, not when a republican is. let's bring back our panel. liz, you're up first. we got, green or vote? >> i mean, i think cocaine bear would make better decisions than these two people at this

point, but i think i will go with marjorie taylor greene, and i hope in the divorce, she gets custody of matt gates. >> tara, what about you? marjorie taylor greene calling for civil war or russ vought here that forgot that he was obese director wendy that ceiling was exploding and did nothing about it? >> i mean, there are so many ross vought types that come and go in the republican circles. just me, i know, i was there. he's par for the course. marjorie taylor greene is a wannabe confederate, who is calling for a civil war in the country. she's also best buddies with the speaker of the house and has been given power now on committees in the house, and is someone who gets more attention than the average member of congress because she is running the republican party, so she will continue to be the worst person at the week because she is a despicable person who wants to see civil or.

irreconcilable differences, placenta happened, the confederates lost, sweetheart. maybe someone should send her the memo. >> history and geography i don't think are two things that marches taylor greene as much but about. molly, greene has called for not allowing democrats to move to gop run states to vote for at least five years. i just want you to stop for a moment and imagine the reaction there right in this country, that the far-right, the mainstream right would have if aoc or ilhan omar would have suggested for a moment to, a, separate blue and red states and, be, that republican voters who move to boo states should not be allowed to vote for five years. >> it's this overly complicated thing of what you can cheat, right? remember, there were all these liberal and valid initiatives in the pass, so republicans were saying, they passed too

easily with 50%. there should be a 60% margin. there is this feeling that they should have special rules so they can win. i think these guys are tied, actually, because i think that marjorie taylor greene represents a scary part at the base that gets a lot of money and elevator. she has been all over mccarthy, which is quite scary. mccarthy is quite indebted and smitten with her, whatever that means. and then we have, what is happening in the republicans trying to crash the that ceiling. i think that's pretty scary too because -- for america, and it could hurt the economy. it's a real dangerous game. i think they're both really problematic. >> i kind of tend to agree with you on the. marjorie taylor greene is bonkers. i agree, she does it in a way that is dangerous, but i am of so mindful of the people behind the scenes to draft the memos that, yes, you had the power to

overturn the election. the people who give these republicans who probably don't think much for themselves. the idea that, hey, let's head to crash the debt ceiling and destroy our economy, lower our rating at all political ideology. liz makes me think that republicans really have no like to stand on. they criticize the biden administration handling of the day, when they release to someone who saw the that balloon under his watch and did nothing about it. >> who is that to? >> liz -- >> o, me! i guess my short answer is, yeah, that's how it goes. you just kind of laid it out perfectly, but it's such a projection at its finest. i think that is what this party mastered is the art of doing something and then gaslighting you into thinking that you could've done it. they are barely it, and democrats had to learn how to

deal with the gas. letting america should learn how to make gaslighting and energy resource, because that person could make a ton of money. >> gaslighting is a national republican support, i will say. liz, before i go, i want to ask you about an event or hosting, operation, state abortion, tell me about. it >> so tomorrow, will be hosting an event as we sit here and wait with bated breath about whether or not the texas judge -- how the texas judge will rule on the abortion pill and whether it will be available. we are hosting a panel of experts tonight. the operation safe abortion website. you can go there, sign up, listen to what you could do about it and what the ramifications will be. >> liz, tara, molly, always a pleasure, thank you for your time this evening. as always, i greatly appreciate it. thank you at home for making time for us. make sure to come back tomorrow night, nine eastern on msnbc. democratic congresswoman barbara lee discusses her new

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