convicted of raping actress and model, yevgeny a chauvin shiva in 2018. she reported the crime after learning her own daughter was also a victim of sexual assault. we will leave you with what she said it when seen sentencing. i learned this process that many women choose to live with this pain, rather than pursue justice. given that all the victims were put through in this trial, that is understandable. now i stand here with as much confidence as i can and say that none of us should carry this kind of pain. victims shaming and victim blaming must be stopped. and it must. that is all the time i have for today, i'm alicia menendez, i'll see you back here tomorrow at 6 pm eastern for more american voices. for now, i handed over to my colleague. hello, amen. >> hey, alicia. great way to end the show. very poignant and powerful reminder of how much more we still have to do as a society. thank you so much. enjoy the rest your evening. good evening to you, welcome to

ayman tonight. trump's legal panels -- more problems for his family, and the same old arguments that just don't make sense. we have all of the details. plus, the republican attack on our education system could spell disaster for a generation of children. black parents are taking matters into their own hands. my exclusive conversation with the european union's ambassador to the united states. his take on where the war in ukraine is heading next. i'm damon, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ tonight we begin with new developments three separate legal matters involving donald trump. special counsel jack smith has now asked a judge to compel mike pence to comply with the grand dirty soup peanut to comply with his attorney in the criminal investigation over trump's -- the sealed motion came after

attorneys for trump asserted de chantle privilege over the subpoena, and pence himself has said that he will fight that subpoena, though he has argued his former role as president of the senate, which he held by virtue of being vice president, means that he is covered by the constitution speech and debate clause, which can protect legislative branch members from any legal threats related to that work. in the next hour, we are going to dive into that argument, and the leading conservatives who believe it really doesn't make sense. the special counsel has also set his sights on the trump family. this, week the new york times reported that smith obtained grand jury subpoenas compelling the testimony of trump's daughter, of uncle trump, and her husband, jared kushner, in that same investigation. and there is the special grand jury in georgia that investigated trump's efforts to overturn that states 2020 election results. in a stunning twist, the four women of the jury said this

week that the panel recommended indictments of multiple people, excuse me, on a range of charges, and its final report. watch. >> we're talking about more than a dozen people? >> i would say that. yes. >> are these recognizable names, names that people would know? >> there are certainly names that you would recognize, yes. there are names, also, that you might not recognize, or there are names that, like, you may recognize as someone who's followed this case, but then, you know, your mother might not recognize, because she doesn't care about the intricacies of the case. but, there definitely are some names you expect. >> so that is major news, but here's the thing, there is fear in some legal circles that publicizing that news that you just heard there could come with major consequences. there are some legal experts that fear that if trump is in

fact indicted, his lawyers can look at that, and file a motion to dismiss that indictment, arguing that these revelations are tantamount to a grand jury and propriety. if all that is not enough, there is one more legal issue facing donald trump that flew under the radar this week. a federal judge ordered that trump can be questioned under oath, by attorneys, for two former fbi employees, that alleged second lawsuits that they were illegally targeted for much of youshan over their roles and the russian investigation. it is a big one for two of trump's favorite punching bags, peter strzok, and lisa page. joining me now are jill wine-banks, formerassistant watergate prosecutor, co-host of the sisters and law podcast and msnbc legal analyst. as well as -- an opinion is for the washington post, an msn bce political analyst as well. it's great to have both of you with us. jill, lots to unpack here. at like to start with you on the special counsel's moves.

you know, on one, hand pushing mike pence to testimony, or trying to compel him to testimony, subpoena ivanka and jared, talk to me about the importance of hearing from these three individuals, and the tactics by the special counsel. >> i think what's important here is that we are moving up into the area of the people closest to the former president. his daughter, his son-in-law, his vice president, who also has his chief of staff who's been subpoenaed. you also have people -- his lawyer, evan corcoran, who's been subpoenaed, these are the people closest to him. these are the people who can give firsthand evidence if both the mar-a-lago case, and all the events that led up to january 6th, and the fall of january six. i think it shows that this case is really progressive. they have very clear testimony

that they could be asked about, and at least the pence's said that he is going to fight the subpoena, who trump have suggested he'll play with executive privilege, while playing with the legislative privilege speech and debate clause. both will fail for sure. former president trump did not intervene when his daughter and son in law testified for the january six committee, so he may not do it again. they may be able to testify without that been raised. >> jennifer, one of the things that has surprised me, and maybe i'm, wrong is how much work jack smith has already done. i don't know if he's already done the work, or he's relying perhaps on the january six committee, which is giving him a head start. i am surprised at how relevant and few attacks he has received from trump and his allies. i feel like during the mueller investigation, it was nonstop

attacks against mueller and the investigation for years. very visceral, very ugly attacks on bob mueller and everyone who is working and that investigation. >> donald trump has certainly made threats about the fbi, analogize in them to stormtroopers, not sees. he certainly has continued to proclaim that this was all a witch hunt. the fact of the matter is, this is a very different situation. mueller could not, could not bring criminal charges, he was a sitting president. although he made finding to ten different categories concerning the presidents potential obstruction of justice, there wasn't much that he could do about it. that's not the case with jack smith. he has no less than two, perhaps three cases that are percolating all along. one directly having to do with january six, the other having to do with mar-a-lago. he has the goods, he has the facts. i entirely agree with jill, that even if pence does raise

the speech and debate clause, which he hasn't formally done, that's almost certainly dip in -- both because he was playing the ceremonial role, and because this debate clause would not prevent him from, example, talking about conversations with trump. that is really what the special prosecutor wants to get at. i think the walls are closing in. and there were only so many objections that we're going to be made. at some, point we are going to see indictments, and perhaps, first of, all coming out of the state court and state prosecution in georgia. >> jill, let me move to the georgia special grand jury here, and i want to talk about two different parts. i'm sure you can anticipate what they are. first, i want to get your reactions to the substance of what the four women's remarks war, that multiple people, excuse me, were recommended for indictment on a range of charges. what do you make of that revelation? >> i, you have to take this all in the context of, this is a

unique situation and georgia, where you have a special grand jury that has no power to indict. where they are told by the judge that they can make public certain information, as long as they don't disclose their particular deliberations. i think that the -- amberley chorus, trying to stay ayman within the bounds set by the judge, and only talk about things like how the witnesses appear. these are all things that we already know. i am on the side of those who do not think that this has anything, any potential to derail the case. you mentioned, a man, that certainly there will be motions made. no question that they will be. i don't think they will get very far. it's sort of the same thing that they're saying, this is a witch hunt. it is not a witch hunt. nothing that was said, number one, it will be revealed in the

indictment. cheated not name any names. they will be named in the indictment. i just don't see anything that she said that risks endangering any of the potential defendants. she certainly didn't hinted anybody who might have been investigated, who wasn't indicted. those who are indicted are going to be known publicly. i don't think this is a problem. it was, it is an odd situation because we're all used to the federal system where no grand juror can't ever reveal what they learned. it's not the case in georgia. you have to live with the rules that are the rules of georgia. that's where this is happening. >> fair enough. that's a great point. jennifer, that's what i was going to ask you. the second part of that. jill makes the compelling case about the legal aspect of this. laura will certainly try to do something with her interview. in the court of public opinion, did the four women's comments open a door for trump to cry

malfeasance, even if it's as jill said it is unfounded. >> trump is going to make all kinds of claims. he makes all kinds of claims all the time, and he loses all the time. remember, he brought 60 different cases in connection with the election itself. nothing this poor person dead is going to make the claims any larger, or any smaller. he is going to do what he's going to do. as jill says, there is really no legal ramification. when and if the district attorney of fulton county goes to the indicting jury, the regular brand jury, she is going to present her case and they're going to vote on that. whatever this poor person, sad or didn't say, is going to be irrelevant. moreover, the level of misconduct that is required for a grand jury's enormous before a judge is going to disallow a prosecution, or, for example, grant a motion for a new venue. i think this is going to

proceed as it were. we, in a week, or month, when the indictment is, as i believe, will come down, this is going to be well in the river mirror. and very few people, i think, who aren't already disposed to excuse anything donald trump ever dead, or said, will say, oh my gosh, the -- four person -- we can now possibly indict him. i think that sort of the, perhaps, move scenes of another network that seems to be running his defense. >> please stick around, we've got a lot more to discuss throughout the shell. next, the fate of medication abortion in the u.s. now rests on the hands of a federal judge who espouse this antiabortion rhetoric. we'll tell you about that, next. next to sleep, so when our windshield cracked, we needed it fixed right. we went to safelite.com. there's no one else we'd trust. their experts replaced our windshield,

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the fda engaged in a process of determining the efficacy and safety of that medication. -- it's no exception to the process. >> all right, so that was vice president kamala harris offering a stance defense at the abortion pill in a meeting with reproductive rights groups at the white house. harris's comments come as activists brace themselves for a potential devastating ruling out of texas. any moment, trump appointed judge matthew cause merrick could temporarily blocked his authorization of mcpherson, one of two drugs used in abortion and miscarriage care. the move would effectively result in a nationwide ban on medication abortion and shut off access to about 40 million women. 22 years at the the fda approved the so called abortion pill, it is used over half of all abortions. research has consistently shown that the

joke is not only highly effective but safe. in fact, the risk of major complication from taking abortion pills is less than 0. 4%. that is actually safer than commonly used drugs like tylenol or even viagra. the suit has been widely ridiculed by legal experts who say that it's rooted in baseless and debunked arguments, but now its fate rests in the hands of casimir, a self devout described christian with a long history of antiabortion beliefs. here is what his own sister told the washington post. quote, he's very passionate about the fact that you can't preach pro life and do nothing. we both told the stance of you have to do something. you can't not. jill wine-banks, jennifer reuben are back with me now. joining the conversation as well is monica simpson, the executive director of sister some women of color reproductive justice collective. she attended the

event at the what acetate with vice president kamala harris. jill, how could one judge, i think some of our interest might wonder this. how could one judge in texas jeopardize the use of abortion pills nationwide? walk us through what is being argued in this case specifically? >> it is outrageous. there was, obviously, some very careful judge selection. the case was filed in a district where there is only one judge, and it happens to be this extremely conservative id judge who has spoken out in a way that you can't know what his opinion is and what is decision would be. the lawsuit was designed to say that the fda did not go through the re-procedures to approve the pill and, therefore, it must be barred from ever being prescribed to anyone. what is outrageous is that when ever happened 20 years ago, we have 20 years of proof of the safety of the jerk. it is now used in

more than 50% of all abortions in america. it is safe and should continue to be used. even in states to have barred surgical abortions, medicated abortions, could be the answer to allow people to continue to save their own lives. it's also a drug that is essential for cases of miscarriage, ongoing with caruth. you still do for them. it is a medical necessity, and you mention drug slick viagra. imagine men in the audience listening. if all of a sudden, someone said, i think that is a way of stopping something, and i am going to say that the f. d. a's approval of viagra was wrong, and no one can have it anymore, men would be outraged, while all people in america should be outraged by this lawsuit. he would not be a decision of a federal

court. once it's part, you would be part of your. the good news is, there is a counter lawsuit that has just been filed. it was filed by the attorney general of the states of washington and oregon and joint by several others including my own attorney general in illinois. it is to show the any restrictions on this particular drug are unwarranted, and it is totally safe, and it should be brought it rather than restrictive. >> monica, you're on the front lines of the issue. we'd like to sometimes bring this into real world consequences. explain to our viewers how critical access to medical abortion is? what consequences could come from blocking access to it? how quickly does an effect like disco it being, if you will, if a judge makes a decision in the coming day or so? >> thank you so much for having me, and the effects are already being felt. we are already living and a post-roe world. before the dobbs decision, we

were already living and a post-roe world. even when we had the legal right before the decision of dobbs, the legal right did not always guarantee access. like we saw on the state of mississippi, that was only down to one abortion clinic, we were already feeling the impact of lack of access in this country, so now, with this particular type of lawsuit in play, it is actually going to continue to disproportionately impact communities of color the most, people who are of low income. it will continue to impact those who have historically been pushed to the margins, and what is real right now, and what we need to understand is that this case is not just about the pill alone, right? this is not just about the fda approved a pill from the trump appointed person. it is about the lives of people that are going to be at stake whenever we continue to decrease access to health care and this country. this is economic justice issue. this is

an issue that so many people have to look at from so many different angles, and if what will happen, if it goes or is that we will see infrastructure failures. everything is going to continue to go in a downward spiral, whenever we need to be increasing access and all the ways that we can for everybody in the country. >> jennifer, judge cast merrick's history with antiabortion activism goes back decades. in fact, in college, she wrote a letter to the editor of his student newspaper about abortion. until 2019, when he became a judge, he served on the board of christian homes and family services, and an organization that offered housing and adoption services to women facing unexpected pregnancies with the goal of providing an alternative to abortion. he was described as being, quote, incredibly passionate about the mission. what do you make of someone who has devoted much of their personal, professional life to these causes, to this

kind of activism, now being the one to issue such a consequential decision for millions of americans? >> if someone feels that strongly about a policy that they should run for a legislative or political office, this is a judicial office, and we still have a concept somewhere in the u.s. that these people should be impartial. they should not have already made up their mind and shame on the congress and senate for confirming him. shame on the president for appointing such an individual and shame on the legal system that allows you to judge shop to this degree. this is an outrage, and let me give a very real world example of what will happen. let's say, for example, a woman miscarry's. normally, she would be given to abortion drugs so that she would not then become extremely ill, develop sepsis in possibly die. they are taking away one of these medications, so what is the alternative? surgery would

be one. extra you said the other medication would be another, but that could have severe bleeding consequences or three, she could die. which one did they suggest? which one what the judge suggests for a loved one of his? that's what we're talking about. we're talking about women's lives, and we're also talking about women, for example, who make legally obtained abortion still to a medical abortion. again, we denied this drug, so they are taking the other second abortion drug, which has extreme cramping and bleeding, they could die on the way back from a doctor. they can tie all the way back from having to drive across the street -- across the state because they're not compelled to go to another state. this is outrageous, and to pick up on the analogy, imagine if suddenly, some religious person decided that, you know, pacemakers really offend my religious sensibilities,

therefore, no one should have a pacemaker. we would all be outraged because it would put peoples lives and dangers. this is not different, and it will affect medical care, affect medical training, and it will affect the availability of ob/gyn's and regular care doctors to millions of women. it is truly an outrage. >> i actually agree with you on the front. republicans, they're always about protection. they complained that judicial activism is happening at the bench, and then they look at the judges who have a history at this kind of religious activism and totally ignore it, so the hypocrisy is somewhat glaring. monika, as i mentioned, you attended that meeting with vice president kamala harris. the field the federal government, this administration, is stepping up to the plate when it comes to protecting reproductive rights at this moment? >> you know, this is the second time that i had the opportunity to -- what i am clear about is that she is making very intentional

steps in her office to make sure that she's bringing the leaders together, not just service providers but folks with the legal analysts of the matter, but those who are directly connected to the communities on the ground, every single day, and so it's been an honor to be in that space. i do believe that they are taking steps towards this. i believe that they are finally hearing all of the perspectives, again, not just the medical and legal once but all of the perspectives about how this is directly impacted peoples lives every single day, and so i will continue to work with all of my colleagues to continue to push to some initiation into this direction that they are going, and it's good to see that folks are starting to step up. this is a moment where it will require everybody to organize. it will require all those folks who were in political office to organize, all the folks who were legal professionals, all the medical professionals, everybody has to become an organizer in this moment because if we do not, then we are going to see detrimental effect set our communities because this is a very serious

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and the treasury department is saying that it has 2500 different russian targets on the specially designated nationals and black person's list. those targets range from senior russian government officials to high net worth russian citizens. but what's puzzling to me is that these actions are still ongoing. why didn't the united states sanctioned these people and companies months ago? why were they holding out until now? we know that russia has used every weapon in its arsenal against the ukrainian people. so why is that the united states been using every economic weapon in its arsenal against russia? and why is the government still holding back and if so, why? i don't have the answers to some of these questions, but i do know that russia has not been economically damage to the degree that we were expecting at the start of the war. one month into the russian invasion, president biden declared that the russian ruble would, quote,

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united nations this week. earlier i spoke with the european union ambassador to the united states, stavros lambrinidis, about the ukraine war and what vladimir putin and his allies are planning next. >> ambassador, thank you so much for joining us. let's start with this latest announcement of sanctions by the united states. the u.s. announced a new round of sanctions to mark one year of the war. the sanctions, as i understand it, will target more than 200 individuals and entities, including both russians and third-party actors across europe, as well as russian officials, proxy authorities, illegitimately operating in ukraine, and a dozen russian financial institutions. of course, these follow months of sanctions from the united states and other european countries and countries around the world. but over the last year, the russian economy fell just 2. 2%. the ruble is nearly as strong as it was before the war. do you think these sanctions are having a legitimate impact on

the war and the russians? >> it's going to have a huge effect on russia itself. we never thought that there was a magic bullet to stop putin's in your colonialist expansion, at least not immediately. but the point was to cripple his capacity to finance in an limited way his war machine, and to ensure that his economy falls generations back. and that's exactly what's happening. the european union announced itself yesterday a new attempt a package of sanctions against russia. and if you look at the russian economy and what putin has to do to prop it up, because what you are -- the figures is him dipping deep into his reserves to try to save the rubble from its total collapse. these are measures that are crippling the russian economy for -- the more he keeps this war going, the more his economy is going to be suffering for years from it. >> let me ask you about china

and around here for a moment. china and iran have helped prop up the russian economy and vladimir putin this year. the u.s. secretary of state antony blinken just said this week that he is very concerned about this. he said, quote, china is considering providing lethal support to russia in its aggression against ukraine. how concerned is the european union about this? are you concerned that this is spilling over and becoming a proxy war of sorts? what can the eu and the u.s. do to prevent china support to russia? >> we are seriously concerned, we're talking to the chinese about. this but we're particularly concerned about the chinese. and the russians as well. china has been trying very hard to portray itself as a neutral actor in this war. as if it is possible to be neutral when a country invades another without an excuse for a reason. anyways, they're trying to do it. and the momentous still supplying their support, that's

really decisive in what they're gonna do. their hands are bloody as well. but russia also, and putting himself, have made one more serious miscalculation with this where when it comes to china as well. they thought -- he thought, they would just walk over the ukrainians and take over the country in the few days. they are now a year in this war being pushed back. with no prospect of winning at all. they are [inaudible] hundreds of thousands of injuries. so when putin goes to china in a desperate move to ask for weapons, that shows you how poorly his campaign is going because, believe you me, one thing that the careless putin never had in mind when this war began was that he would become even more so the lapdog of china. or the proud putin or the proud russian people, this information is deeply disturbing. it will become more so if china gets more involved in this. >> will there be consequences

for china if they do get involved by providing russia lethal weapons? will they be subject to any measures by the eu and the united states? have you considered that? >> of course consider all the alternatives. there's no time to get into it. we have made it clear that it would be a bad idea to do it. >> let me get your thoughts on just the war itself and how it's going. i, mean as you mentioned after failing in his initial goal of quickly taking kyiv, vladimir putin appears to be placing his new bet on winning this war through a christian. what can you consider to be putin's long game here now that he has not been able to strategically achieve what he set out to do? how do you see the war evolving over the next year? >> i'm afraid putin has not given up on his initial, his goal was to take over kyiv. to destroy ukraine, to wipe it off the map. and for us, and everyone else, who are looking

for possibilities for people to move to a just peace, it's very likely that putin is not there. and the problem is that of course, he's not there because he has a failed dramatically in all of his strategic tactics. and it's a decision he'll have to make at some point because -- supporting ukraine. in this battle. as long as putin continues fighting, we will continue making sure ukraine gets [inaudible] now, what does he want to do? it's difficult to be in putin's head. but i'll tell you, at least what i think it may be able to achieve, and whatever thoughts he has, as i said, he wanted and he was sure he was gonna take over ukraine in a matter of days. that failed dramatically. he was sure he was going to divide and split up the european union. when 27 countries unanimously voted for sanctions. 27 unanimous. and he was totally convinced they would vote no.

and for ten different packages, the last one just yesterday, every single european country and leader voted against him. he was sure he would use energy to black blackmail us in the world. and -- russia is losing every day half of what it was making before the war and gas and oil. this is a huge hit to his capacity to finance the war machine. and you know, he was also helping -- he was sort of hoping to win the rest of the world. but the rest of the world, african elsewhere, doesn't like colonialism. the certainly don't like neil colonialism. and just a few days ago at the united nations, 141 countries, 141 countries -- that's for the majority, voted until putin to get his troops out of ukraine now. they voted against this colonialism. and this is another failure of

putin's. i'm not arguing here that [inaudible] i'm not arguing that i know what is going to happen. but i am confident it is going to lead to ukraine's victory. >> he obviously represented the european union to the knighted state, so you have a good sense of the american sentiment in the discussion that's going on here in america. there's a new poll from the associated press that shows american support for sending weapons to ukraine's considerably down. from last year. are you at all concerned about that waning support especially as it relates to a growing number of republican leaders who now control the house and they control the money that can be sent to ukraine, expressing their concern that america is spending too much on this war? >> i've heard some members of congress say that, but frankly, that's a small minority. i've been speaking to republicans and democrats of congress, almost every day, and what i hear from the leadership of republicans and democrats -- to be able to increase the

support to ukraine. now, to everyone listening, i have to tell you this, i understand this is a difficult story to follow every day. i understand how some people maybe getting tired, but i will tell you this, this fight that is happening thousands of miles away from this part of the world, there is no safe distance when an autocrat sitting on nuclear weapons is convinced that he could defend -- bend the will of leaders. this is what putin is doing. he believes, he said this in his last speech that the west is weak, that the marcy is corrupt and immoral, that we don't have the gust to stand up to him and his strength. that is his -- we will tell you what will happen if he wins it, our democracy capacity to protect their power and strength in the

world for decades to come will be dramatically diminished. i'll tell you another thing, it's not just what russia is doing now, china, others, are looking very closely to make sure that we will continue hoarding or hold. i will tell you, we will not. >> ambassador stavros lambrinidis, thank you so much for a time, i greatly appreciate your insights and this conversation, thank, you sir. >> thank you very much. >> next, how black parents are pushing back against republicans politicized education agenda, stay with us. >> no doubt the american >> vo: driving around is how we get our baby to sleep, so when our windshield cracked, we trusted the experts. they focus on our safety... so we can focus on this little guy. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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families and republican seem determined at the system fail for black and brown families, which is why black parents are increasingly turning to home schooling and communal learning. at the start of the pandemic, over 3% of black families had children who were home schooled. by the fall of 2020, that number jumped up to 60%, according to the census bureau. black students and students of color have been disproportionately affected by disruptions to in-person learning over the pandemic. one 2020 report found that students of color were about 3 to 5 months behind in learning huawei students were about 1 to 3 months behind, and as those pandemic figures fade, the gop is making sure the parents remain on edge. republicans like governor ron desantis and glenn youngkin are targeting important concepts in school, conversations around race, racism, diversity and inclusion. they are attempting to hide the inequities of our world, past and present, from children. as national education

association president becky pringle wrote this month, quote, these are politicians who seek to divide parents and educators in order to deny our students the right to resources and their ability to be reflected and respected at school. no one there or black parents are taking matters into their own hands and taking their children out of the public school system altogether. becky pringle joins me now. good to have you with us, thank you for making the time. i know you work with students and educators, what has been their response to these political attacks on education? how has affected them in the classrooms? >> it's good to be with you, again. we know the educators have dedicated their lives to making sure that every student in america has what they need and deserve, to live into their brilliance. we've been fighting every day to make sure that they have the freedom to learn,

and as part of the freedom to learn, it's not only learning about themselves, seeing themselves in books and curriculum, but it is also about learning about other students. it is the only way that they will become the critical thinkers and collaborative problem solvers. we need them to be said that they could be the leader of a just society. >> let's talk about the african american ap course. you have more republican led states saying that they will review the college boards new ap african american studies, a course which was essentially stripped of much of its original content after backlash from florida state officials. what are the consequences? when you see as the consequences went for longer-ing about an education course spreads? >> let's be clear, this is about stoking fear and the vision. this is about destroying public education, because we know that if we don't have an educated

citizenry, we know that those people who are seeking to get more power, people that are in that far right maga wing at the republican party, who want to destroy public education, not just by attacking our students freedom to learn but by privatizing it, we know that that is part of their goal to do everything they can do to ensure that they have on fettered power. i want to put front and center, the voices of students, i met with elijah, juliet and victoria when i was in florida a couple of weeks ago, and their parents. they set a piece, we need to have access to african american studies so that not only do we see ourselves, to black students and one white student, but we also need to understand that black history is american history. we need to know about all that history, so that we can actually use the diversity of the country to be the asset is. that is what we will

continue to fight for, that is what our students and our parents -- all of them have, that is what will continue to make sure that this country lives up to its promise, we, the people. >> we know that black students and students of color already face all kinds of disparities in schools, including racial one. stop me a little bit about how these attacks on education why didn't that gap. >> we know that we've had a gap that, in particular, impacts are black and brown indigenous students, that's not new. not only is there and academic gap, there's a social and emotional gap as well. we know that stems from the inequities not only on the education system but because our students can't come to school ready to learn every day if we have inequities in the hot cases them, which, by the way, made them predisposed

to getting covid and their families more disposed to dying from covid. we know that those inequities in the housing system, in our economic system, all does impact our students ability to learn, and so, we will continue to fight for equitable funding in our public schools, for equitable housing, for climate justice, we will continue to fight for students with disabilities and our lgbtq plus students who have been attacked, as we see more and more republican governors and legislature -- legislators legislate in ways that take away their right to learn. >> would you think parents can do here? we talked about home schooling as an option for parents, but for parents who don't have this option, how would you recommend to become more involved in their children's education, these

books and core spendings continue to take shape? it's clear that on the other side, it seems the parents on that side of the divide, the ones that want to ban books, they are vocal and aggressive. they are at their, and they are letting it be known -- do you feel the same for the parents who want to fend the -- defend the education system in this country? >> let's be clear, 90% of students in america got to public schools, so we know that we have to fight for public school safety. they are the foundation of our democracy, and we have to be reclaiming our public schools as a common good in the country. we know that our country democracy depends on it. we know that parents are there fighting with their students, with educators. they are natural allies. i am a mother myself. i am a grandmother, and i am fighting alongside other parents, and by the way, that is a majority

parents. those vocal few that are out there supporting banning books, that one is not of a jury appearance in the love their voices as, well we will continue to organize, advocate, we will take legal action action when necessary because we will do everything we possibly can do to ensure that our public schools are funded, they are safe, and they are there for not only our students before this democracy. >> yeah, we certainly needed at democracy thriller at the next >> yeah, we certainly needed. our democracy generation. becky pringle, relies on investigation. becca thank you for your time and insights, i appreciate it. crumble, we'll be right back. thank you for your. time we appreciate it. >> this is the katie phang show. live for miami, florida. we have lots of news to cover a lot of questions to answer. so