are out there supporting banning books, that one is not of a jury appearance in the love their voices as, well we will continue to organize, advocate, we will take legal action action when necessary because we will do everything we possibly can do to ensure that our public schools are funded, they are safe, and they are there for not only our students before this democracy. >> yeah, we certainly needed at democracy thriller at the next >> yeah, we certainly needed. our democracy generation. becky pringle, relies on investigation. becca thank you for your time and insights, i appreciate it. crumble, we'll be right back. thank you for your. time we appreciate it. >> this is the katie phang show. live for miami, florida. we have lots of news to cover a lot of questions to answer. so let's get started.

new intelligence just china is giving military aid to. russia even as it pushes a so called peace plan to end the war in ukraine. what happens if china makes this move, and how the nice case for spawned? president biden giving the strongest indication yet that he is close to announcing his reelection campaign. i'll talk to lincoln project cofounder rick wilson about who biden's republican opponent will likely be. plus's george santos drinking some truth serum when he admits he is a terrible liar? the freshman congressman is back again in the headlines, for potentially lying to a garage. all of that in moors coming up. and a good sunday morning to you. i am katie phang. three current u.s. officials are telling nbc news that china

is considering sending lethal military aid to russia and the form of artillery and ammunition. this would be a dangerous and dramatic escalation to an already brutal war. ukraine has also been pushing for the united states to supply f-16 fighter jets, something biden has ruled out for now. in an interview with abc news, president biden also said he does not anticipate that china will provide lethal weapons to. russia but he claims that he delivered this morning when he spoke to chinese president xi jinping last summer. >> i say, without any government product, a 600 american corporations left russia for mcdonald's to exxon to, across the board. and i said, if you are getting through the same kind of brutality that is going, on you may face the same consequence. >> joining us now is erin mclaughlin, live in kyiv, ukraine. erin, it is good to see you. this news about the possibility of china's heightened

involvement is alarming. what has been the ukrainian response so far? >> hey, katie. we have heard from the ukrainian foreign minister, saying that if those reports are true, china is considering sending lethal aid to russia. he said that ukrainian officials have seen no evidence that that is in fact the case. but if that does happen, he said it will be a, quote, mistake. in terms of president zelenskyy, he has actually been quite reserved in his response to china. china releasing on friday that 12 point peace plan. saying that he would like to meet with the chinese leader. his advisers have been more vocal. we heard from the hill appeared, lack senior visor to zelenskyy specifically. hit out at china and a 12 point peace plan in a tweet, saying quote, if you claim to be a global player, you do not offer

an unrealistic plan. you do not bet on the grass or who broke international law and will lose the war. it is not farsighted. as someone who plans for decades and doesn't play rush a three-day games, china, the window of opportunity, is not endless. i was speaking with an adviser to ukrainian military, who told me that if china does take the decision, to send that lethal aid to russia, it could be a potential game-changer. especially when you consider where the conflict is at now. and now, both sides he said are running out of ammunition. ukrainian leaders believe that if they get those promised, weapons and ammunition and supplies as promised by the west to the front lines and fast, that there could be a turning point in the war. he said the turning point could go quickly, in the spring.

all this is a big if, if russia could get weapons from somewhere else that could certainly change battlefield dynamics. katie. >> our thanks to you, erin mclaughlin. please, again, stay safe over in ukraine. we're gonna shift gears now to the 2024 presidential race. we are getting the clearest indications yet that biden is planning to run for a second term. speaking with the associated press,, first lady dr. jill biden said there is basically nothing left to do. figure at the time in the place -- you join me now is a messy news correspondent ali raffa. some folks are surprised that biden has not officially announced yet. are there any indications of when this might happen? >> yes, katie, good morning. the original expectation was for this announcement already happens. remember the days were saying that president biden did not want to deliver a state of the union address as the 2024 presidential candidate.

so that announcement was pushed back and aides are signaling that this announcement could come as soon as april. right around that time former president obama announced his reelection campaign. you are, right those words from first lady jill biden carried a lot of ways. there is no doubt the most doctors been in that interview with the associated press, when talking about the 2024 and her husband's decision. the president himself was probably as direct as he could be during this interview. he gave abc news on friday. take a look at this here. >> -- >> apparently somebody interview my wife today. i got a call and find out. my interview has been from the beginning to. ron butler's too many things i have to finish in the near term first. >> the president also asked in that interview whether he factors his own age into that

interview. he is 80 years old. oldest president in history. at the end of a second term we wouldn't be 86 years old. the president saying he would take americans concerns about his age serious. he called the concerns legitimate but said he did not factor is our nation to these decisions. he said that aides are signaling as of right now. >> ali, we did see him do that. ten hour train ride to poland. definitely seeing some signs that it will not slow him down. allie raffa, thank you for joining us this morning. for a deeper dive on all of this, i am joined by rick wilson. cofounder of the lincoln project. part of the -- when he gets the, devil a plot to save -- from trump and democrats from themselves. i have to start today with. you how does the into the shift, sorry, the energy, fifth with the announcement of a biden 2024 campaign? >> you know, katie, the 2024

campaign is on people. none of us want to, say oh, god we are in the stamp fight again. because everybody wants to go back to the old ways, president trump's campaign did not start until the fall of this off here. now, we are fully in it. trump is in this campaign and biden is in this campaign. all but signing on the dotted line. we will end up back in the frame or the joe biden and donald trump of another cataclysmic clash. the theory of the case and i am working from the mostly republican voters out there are no donald trump and are comfortable with him will do what republicans do and gravitate back to getting in line, getting behind the leader of their party. which is donald trump. we are about to have the trump biden part two. nobody loves it, and a certain level. it is inevitable fight we are to be ready for it and get into soon as we can. because there this was gonna

treat this like a campaign from the word to go. the other side of treating this campaign against biden, everything they're doing is about 2024. he still, hearing the crazy statements, being aligned with putin. all of it is about their 2024 campaign against joe biden. and so biden being in once people clarify and solidify behind him, they get to work. >> rick, lincoln project dropping ahead of time. we have an exclusive preview. i want to play an exclusive clip for. viewers take a listen. >> trump's not back. he never laughed. he picked kevin mccarthy as a speaker. he owns the republican party. and his minions run the show. for all the noise about other are publicans, you know the truth. he's going to do what he did in 2016. destroy his republican opponents one by one. >> even this guy, maybe

especially the sky. >> reich, if trump is truly the presumptive of 2023 gop nominee, democrats today deployed the same strategies in order to defeat him? >> one of the things we have to do in 2024 is not engage in any kind of wishful thinking. not believe it is going to be easy. not believe that trump will just be wiped away. now believe there is some sort of deus ex machina indictment, or some legal problem that will hurt trump to the point where he can't be reelected. it's going to be a hard fought campaign from the trump. and it is important to highlight the things he has done to destroy this country. and every different level. it goes back from the train roman in ohio framing things like that properly. because there's a long record of destruction. the tax cut that basically benefited about 200 people in the whole country. in the hedge fund and high value network individual

community. all the things he has done that have hurt this country kind of got washed away with january six and the other outrageous. it's important to focus on those and on the fact that he ordered a coup and participated in a conspiracy to try to overthrow the three and four election really nicely so america it is obscenity and he is obscenity and it is important to split off-season of the lincoln project very successfully. republican voters who do not like the guy because they are not going to at the end of the day get their fantasy of ronda desantis. they're not gonna get their fantasy of nikki haley, if there people have that fantasy. i don't know. but it will almost certainly be. dan and his record is a fantastic catalog, and encyclopedia, of garbage to run against. >> rick, to your point, we have heard nothing from more about nikki haley such a nice for candidacy. she is the only one who officially put her hat into the ring. you think they're just waiting for on the scientist to do that?

they want eventual to cpac, another will mike pence. >> no. i mean those guys, they don't have mike pence and ron desantis this year. the fact of the matter is, they are afraid. they understand with the base vote is. rhonda sanchez is running like a scalding dog away from cpac, because in the past every conservative -- was they are knocking on the door. they know that trump still has this enormous love at the base of the republican party. and he does not want to be there. that says a lot. it also tells you this was a guy, wondering is in particular, who is never taken into touch. never had somebody go up against. him even in the ballpark of donald trump, he's never gotten close to someone who is that aggressive and cool and sharp edge. and he is afraid of it. terrified of it. mike, pence god bless mike pence. in the republican primary in 2024, he came in 18th in a

field of 15. it's a huge predicate for winning, no constituency, no base, no nothing. i don't understand. it it's a weird vanity. but here we are. the rest of these people are asterisks and they will either be destroyed by trump, or running to be the next secretary of agriculture or something. i don't know. >> there are no exclamation points. mike pence has to ask mother for permission to. run my thanks to, you rick wilson, for joining us and kicking off -- this. morning still to come on the katie phang show this. morning florida college students walked out in droves across the sunshine state this week. one student tells us why they are fed up with governor rhonda desantis, and his relentless attacks on education. plus, i got one on one with tennessee congressman steve cohen. on everything from tucker carlson's trove of one 60, tapes to war crimes and ukraine. but first, the latest on special counsel jack smith's

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those frustrated with the pace of some of the investigations into donald trump special counsel jack smith is turning up the heat and not backing. down this, time he is going to a federal judge to ask mike pence to provide documents and testimony relating to january six. prince is putting up a fight. ali vitali spoke to the former vp on a number of, topics including his potential 2024 run in his fight with jack smith. >> the idea of having a subpoena on the former vice president testify in court against the president with when he served, i believe is unprecedented in american history.

as i said last week, i believe is also unconstitutional. >> joining me now is former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. and hugo lowell, investigations reporter for the guardian. , hugo let start with you. we're gonna start right. there you write a piece for the guardian where you plainly state that pants may be able to succeed in court by hiding behind the speech and debate clause. , briefly explain to our viewers why you think that is possible. >> look, pence is not going to just go after the subpoena, according to our reporting he is going to go before the grand jury and assert his debate clause protections on a question by question basis. that makes it much harder for the federal prosecutors to basically say that pence is being uncooperative. when you to compel his testimony across the board. i think that we want to remember that speech and debate clause is pretty much absolute. so long as it is determined that it applies. there is a lot of case law that

suggests so long as pence is asserting the truth that they are in a very narrow issue of people presenting office for january six, the protection will probably be implied. you do have a parallel case in the case of scott perry. and certain judges are trying to decide whether it is something like informal path, finding which will be covered by -- pants. i think that could be constructed for out all plays out. but i think pence had a pretty strong basis to claim speech and debate if it comes to that. >> cynthia, can this speech and debate clause really give pence the legal cover he is looking for in this case? he is such a critical witness to one-on-one conversations with donald trump in the time leading up to 16 and on the date of the insurrection. >> i don't think that ultimately the speech and debate clause is going to protect him. because he really is not acting in any other way besides administer election.

but let's just say it does. let's just say that the supreme court decides that the ministerial act of counting the votes is covered by speech and debate. that does not mean that all the conversations with trump leading, up all of the conversations that he had during january six, the actual insurrection, are covered. and it does not mean that why he did not get out of that, car what conversations he, had what he saw in was thinking at that, time is covered. so there is a real question about speech and debate on ministerial action, but then the scope of it can be very limited to the minister election that he is taking. so my hunch about this is that it is more in posturing for the base in his republican run to be president, then it really is about him refusing to testify. because remember, he gave the greenlight for his lawyers and his upper staff to testify at the january six committee.

it is not that he is not so far shown that he does not want to get trump in trouble. he just wants to do it in a way to protect his radar and, as he is trying to run for president. >> do your, point cynthia, you can blame the court or the judge. they forced me to do it but i actually didn't want to do it. and thereby protecting himself with the base. , you go i want to shift gears a tiny bit. you also wrote in the guardian about classified trump schedules. be moved to mar-a-lago, after the fbi had searched trump's florida club and resort. peter's drug tweeted, quote, they have no idea where all the classified is. and he is not wrong. how do they receptionists and up with classified materials in this case? >> pete truck really isn't. wrong part of the reason why the trump lawyers discovered that there -- were set on presidential schedules uploaded separately is because they were trying to find out what's the contents of the box and how materials they

had to get back to the government or. and they asked the junior, eight and a junior aide said i can tell you that. i scan them all up into laptop. so i think there was a real sense of frustration and alarm in the special counsel's office about that incident. coupled with the fact that the reason why the fbi did not find this additional box of classified mark schedules back in the summer was because they have been reintroduced into mar-a-lago in december, when that same junior aide switched officers from a downtown palm beach, florida office, into mar-a-lago. she actually inherited a desk next to trump's desk, so when all the spilled into view in december and january, i think the special counsel got this and talk this with real seriousness. and try to get these markings back. >> cynthia, if you are special counsel jack smith, how does the fact it was a receptionist who moved and scanned these classified materials, how does that impact trump's culpability? if you are jacques, mitt you

say it looks like it is worse for donald trump at this point, or the fact that somebody else had a hands on it, who is lower, level it was moving things around, maybe trump is not as responsible? >> i don't think we know until we know what the actual testimony is, and who asked her to scan those documents. it does seem that the special counsel is interested in a lawyer's ruling hiding these documents. and where any of them involved in telling her to scan it? or was this just a slump trump -- sloppiness of the trump white house, the do not care one bit about classified documents? my guess is what is going to happen is everybody who has ever worked for trump post white house is going to end up in the grand jury. it looks to me like jack smith is being incredibly thorough. not only on this event and on the lawyers but also he has got ivanka and jared. he has pushed hard on to pence. he is doing so many things in the aggressive way in so many layers. i am sure he runs this down as

well. but to your point, i do not think we know enough yet. >> well you, know cynthia and, hugo to cynthia's, point we could have asked the receptionist. but she has a lawyer now, just like everybody seems to have lawyered up since they left that in ministration. so, maga, making attorneys get attorneys, that is the donald trump legacy. hugo lowell and -- thank you so much for being, here i appreciate you, guys always. and coming up, freshman congressman george santos's web of lies got even bigger this. week he is caught on tape telling tall tales about his employment history to a seattle judge. more on that when we come back. that when we come back

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believing. >> i've been a terrible liar. you'd be prepared to say? that >> sure. i've been a terrible liar on those subjects. >> but we'll say this minute he is a terrible liar, we continue to unearth even more possible lies told by the freshman congressman from new york. these are from the last week alone. with reported lies to a judge in 2017, reported questioning by the secret service and connection to that same investigation, and reported live this past week about the nature of a meeting with the new york lawmaker. nbc news has not independently verified these reported claims. but when you want to know more about george santos, you talk to my next guest. or so, kibesillah's reporter, msnbc columnist, who has covered santos extensively. before i, begin we did reach out to george santos's office for comment. and he declined. marissa, it is so good to have you.

here i have to ask straight of the gates, this is definitely something that is in your backyard. have we reached the point of terminal velocity with desantis lies and investigations? as, and does the sheer volume of headlines he'll someone likes george santos for more scrutiny? >> it is absolutely possible that that could happen. but there seems to be a keen interest in him as a political figure, just as a celebrity at this point. because the lies just keep growing, and they're so ridiculous in nature. i, mean lying about being a producer of spider-man they, musical we have to do enough of that. it just gets more and more insane. especially because of the fact that it is under multiple investigations, some of those have to drop sometime soon. so, once the stop dropping it to get more information, i think we're in a bit of a lull right now. even, though as you just showed, there been multiple deadlines in the past week alone. it's going to ramp up again for sure. >> marissa, here is more on

what santos told piers morgan. take a quick listen. >> i will hear you. this iran in 2024 the same exact seat for congress. and i got to wait with it done. and i guess, -- >> so you, thought actually, you're not gonna find out? >> i, wish genuinely, if the media put the equal amount of effort and resources, i'm not saying this is villainizing the, media but keep it fair. and all 435 members of the, has 100 members of the senate, i think the american people would have more clarity of who represents them in congress. >> marissa, it is the brazenness. the brazen, this for. me that santos thinks he can continue to lie. and get away with. it what can you tell us about the status of any of those multiple investigations that are going on in to george santos? including the ethics investigation? >> i don't have any specific insider information. however, i have heard from some

sources that they think and indictment will drop soon. the seriousness of that, and what that is exactly related, to is anyone's guess. because he has been tangentially involved in a lot of times. and then also his own campaign's financial crimes have been under such a microscope. and, so it's really just a choose your own adventure type of indictment at this point. i said they should just be able to do some sort of indictment that is just a catchall of everything that he has been involved. in this so many different tentacles into different stories. to your point, about the brazenness. i have a newsletter, and i write about him frequently. and i said with this recent pierce morgan interview, he seemed a little low energy. he seemed like he is kind of a slipping a little bit. his heart is not as much as it. was in freshman orientation. it seems like it was all catching up with him a little bit?

>> i want to draw your attention to an op-ed that i read in the atlantic, by maria conley cobra. i'm gonna pull up a part of it, the master con artist knows are typically rights victims in the right venue. and, then had to sell his story most effectively. here, santos chose. well politics is an area where shades of gray aren't just tolerated, they are the norm. my question, for you, marissa's george santos just a product at this point of our current political climate? where you can be such a brazen, liar admit to being a terrible one at, that and yet remaining congress? >> i think he is partially a product of our general climate, but he's also a product of the specific district that he ran in, and one. he is very good at taking bits and pieces of what he knew voters in the district found important. -- represents a chunk of long island. i am, from the iraq. there i have family. there when i heard that he lied about being jewish, about

having these, degrees about having a connection to 9/11, and all made perfect sense to me. these are things that will connect with people. it is a distorted of great. well i think that he knew that if he played up this idea, that he was this finance guy who had a lot of success on wall street, he would not really have to goes to much deeper than. that they would see him and say, a huge success. why shouldn't we fact check him? to his, point, honestly about not being caught the, first-time he's not wrong. he was not caught, he was not vetted. and then here we are. >> well here we are here. hugo mrsa cava, you're on top of the george santos beast like no. either we look forward to reading your newsletter. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> coming, up 44,000 hours. that is how much sensitive capitol hill surveillance footage of speaker kevin

mccarthy gifted to fox news, tucker carlson. should other media outlets get access, to? what else might mccarthy be giving away now that he's got the gavel? we'll break it all down with steve cohen after the break. n after the break.

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speaker kevin mccarthy will grant their request for access to 44,000 hours of capitol security footage from the january 6th insurrection. this is the same footage that mccarthy already exclusively shared with fox news's tucker carlson. it conspiracy theorist who has repeatedly downplayed and denied the truth about january 6th. according to, axios carlson's tv producers were on capitol hill last week to begin reviewing the footage, which includes multiple camera angles from all over capitol grounds. carlson has yet to air the footage, but he is already teasing what he claims his producers have found. >> our producers, some of our smartest producers, have been there looking at this stuff and trying to figure what it means and how it contradicts or not the story that we've been told more than two years. we think already that in some ways it does contradict that story. >> joining me now is congressman steve cohen. a member of the house judiciary

committee, and the transportation and infrastructure committee. congresswoman, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. you were in the house gallery for the certification of the 2020 presidential election when the mob breached the building. how do you feel now, knowing the speaker of the house has given the 44,000 hours of security footage to tucker carlson, a man who knows a travelog about losing the election, but still permits that lie to his viewers to this very day? >> two things mean a great deal to me in my life. two most important things. one is politics, and people thinking, like john kennedy inspired me with the politics of -- secondly, i'm being a member of the night states. congress that was after 24 years in the state senate, i work my way. up top across and does not believe in the truth. the whole idea of government it should be that you treat everybody, equally our ethics laws, as i understand, say that if we can do it for one constituent, we would not do it

for. another if you start opening something, up it goes to everybody. it is simple due process. there is no way that -- should be given to tucker carlson. if you want to give -- to everybody that's one. thing if you can't give it to one person, it's an indictment of speaker mccarthy for having done that, i think he can do. that is part of what we had on the previous episode. it's about the, truth they, fairness american. way we don't see that anymore. what we see is lies with donald trump. lies that george santos was taking. but others have taken, and the republican side. we just get away with, it and it is wrong in the american public should and does deserve. better >> congressman, is there a concern on your, part seeing as you are currently seated in congress, that this is a part of one of those backroom deals that kevin mccarthy reached in order to get to the speakership? >> well, i would say it is a bathroom deal it stinks to high a haven't. you can see it with santos not being asked to leave, or being

-- having a resolution put forward, which i believe mr. garcia from california put forward, along with mr., goldman i, think of mr. torres from new york. george santos he is a stain on the united states congress. mccarthy should try to uphold united states congress, and see those values are cherished. and refined. it's about him and his promise to target carlson, and his political agenda. nancy pelosi would not have done this anyway whatsoever. nor with. anybody danny haster wouldn't have done. it we are talking about a whole new level that has gone down. it's difficult to bear. but, congress like santos was on your show, and he said -- you would see things in different light. one awful thing to say about congress, there are some that aren't the finance. pretty good folks.

travel to some level, republicans got to know him. family people, smart, they might have a different constituency in philosophy. but if they are decent, honest people, the carlson thing, giving somebody all the, tapes desantis thing lying lying and not being, expelled is all a tearing down our institutions. and that is wrong. putin is very much in favor of that. but our putin is winning this political race. >> i'm glad you brought up putin. let's shift gears, then somebody like marjorie taylor greene is a big mccarthy ally. she is one of several republicans that are pushing the biden administration to back down on its support of ukraine. , in fact she has announced plans to introduce a bill to audit the united states aides to ukraine. i have rick wilson on a few minutes ago, congressman. he wrote. something he said that vladimir putin has an american shift column in congress. he calls marjorie taylor greene putin's hand may. we may laugh about, it but it's pretty. serious we have a concern. should ukrainians have a

concern that usaid is going to take a hit? somebody like marjorie taylor greene gets her way? >> i think people should have a concern. i was in poland at a conference in october, at a dinner that we had. general translating dinner with ambassador brzezinski. i told, time the biggest event coming up is the elections. republicans got the power of the house, financing cannot be in jeopardy. and the recent trip that i made to vienna for the osce, parliamentary assembly, largest assembly on earth and one of the largest international bodies that has met with russians involved, joe, wilson my republican colleague, all for supporting funding for ukraine. i think there were quite a few. mike mccaul just went to kyiv with four other republicans. i think they support it, too. the majority of republican support funding for ukraine, and understand democracy on the line.

and they get, when ukraine they go to moldova. in georgia. after, that they go to nato. it will be poland and lithuania and latina. that means world war iii. the russians will take that as putin wants to. do he wants to be peter the great part to. and he wants to restore the soviet union. and that means taking nato countries. through the week, what he thought he would and he should have if he had the army plank he did. and our military thought he did. we will be in poland right now. and we would be having nato war. and the f-16s defending, poland and defending nato. so we need to fight in ukraine, we are fortunate the ukrainians are such great fighters. i'm willing to give their. glad we give her money. it's important. but it's a very important thing to make sure that russia does not have more influence. the international trade, but more than that it hurts the international rule of law. and civilized aside the.

>> we're gonna keep a close eye on notice what's going on, they are but whether china is giving additional aid to russia. representative steve, cohen always grateful. take the time to see. us >> on the way up to prime time. >> thanks, representative. i appreciate it. and coming up, florida students are taking to the streets to protest governor on desantis draconian rollbacks to the states public education curriculum. after the, break i'll talk to one student in the state lawmaker who are teaming up to fight back. stay with us. ck stay with us ted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv

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college students staged a walker with protests of governor one desantis's anti woke. campaign churning racist, sexist, anti-gay. rhonda, scientists go away. the protest was organized by the florida college democrats, and dream defenders. the walkout was also prompted by the republican governor,

formerly requesting that state universities provide information, on quote, the numbers and ages of their students who sought or received gender dysphoria treatment. including sex reassignment surgery and hormone prescriptions. it remains unclear why desantis would need that information, or what he plans to do with. it but considering his efforts to restrict transgender health care access in florida, and his relentless attacks on lgbtq rights, the reasons are likely not good. joining me now is one of the organizers of the walkout, usf student ben braver and florida state representative and eskamani, a huge supporter of all rights in the state of florida. ben, i want to start with you this morning. tell us about how that statewide walkout went. and let us know. our others? plant >> that state led, statewide walk it was one of the most inspiring moments of my life. to see the thousands of students walk out, for their freedoms, for their rights, for their right to an education. for their right to access new

ideas into engage with new ideas. it was just amazing. and yeah, we have so much stuff planned for the future. we are trying to march up to the capitol, on the eighth. and we need your help to do. it if you value freedom, if you are a listener or a watch or read, or who values. freedom a republican who values, freedom a democrat who are values freedom. if you are lizzo or john oliver or stephen colbert or joe biden, and you value, freedom helpless. help the million public college students in florida speak up for our rights to reclaim our narrative. tell us how you think we can do better. even if you thought -- >> representative, you also joined in that walk out. i was not kidding when i said in the intro that you really are a huge supporter of all rights in the state of florida. just this, week though, a new bill in the florida house was proposed that would ban any funding for diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives on

campus. and it could allow for the removal of majors and critical race theory our gender studies. tell our viewers, what is the climate in tallahassee right now with your republican colleagues as these tax just keep on coming? >> first of, all katie, thank so much for having a safe or amplifying these strikes being led on the ground, led by young students like ben. i am a graduate of orange county public, schools and the university of central florida. and i'm also a ph.d. student right now. so for, me these fights are perfectly personal. i would not be where i am today if it were not for access to public education. just like the work that ben is doing, and our students like new college who are fighting to defend academic freedom on their. campus house bill 90 99 was filed on thursday. this is a devastating bill that, would as you noted, strip away academic freedoms. abolish any conversations or programs about diversity, equity or inclusion. and it would go after tenure, trying to remove those professors that have some degree of freedom to express themselves, and not be influenced by the politics of

the day. majority of my republican colleagues have consented to governor desantis is extremely hostile agenda. my hope is that with more student speaking, up more alumni speak up, and faculty speak up. that we can to try to stop these bills. or at the very, least amend them so they're not going after the very core of academic freedom. which is what makes our nation and our state and our academic structure so powerful. >>, then about less than a. minutes i want you to be able to speak to the people outside the state of florida. this has not maga land. there are people that care about the future. for you, in for your fellow. students what did you tell them if they are, fearful if they're trying to leave florida or maybe don't even want to come here to try to get an education? >> this has spread out to everyone. there is a college in canada who wants to help us. we need your help. we are scared to. the students, the faculty and staff are scared. go to our gofundme. it is stain for. freedom help us speak our minds. we are all scared, because if

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speaker mccarthy gives tucker carlson exclusive access to january six footage. former impeachment manager, congressman madeleine dean joins me live to discuss how we can impact capitol security and the narrative around the insurrection. game-changer. new concerns, the china could give russia military aid for the war in ukraine. california. dreaming congresswoman barbara lee is here to talk about joining the crowded senate race, and her quest to be only the third black woman ever elected to the u.s. senate. and, snl takes on the new civil war. >> georgia representative and cocaine bear marjorie taylor greene tweeted, the country needs a national divorce.