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women told stories of being raped by russian soldiers. one of the first on the ground till the -- new cranium parliament appeared in my show that weekend. while he was still in bucha. earlier this week, nearly a year after russians first occupied bucha, i met up with him in that town. we took a short walk. he told me about the horrific scenes he saw along just one block in bucha. and how the town still bears the scars of war, and surprising the recovery has taken place since it was liberated. >> do you see this is from solids. this is from ballots, and these trees were all wounded from ballots. they were just firing in a chaotic way. >> see all, these this is the violence. and all these benches were destroyed, and these are new ones. shooter --
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they shot at everyone. >> you can see the trees -- >> yeah, in the trees, it's everywhere. on april, two, i came here as well, already in bucha self. and the first place, i was here on this square. and here i can show you photos, i have photos of my library. you was one car with a killed man inside. that was a man who worked in bucha for, like, park maintenance, and humor was trying to take wounded people to the hospital. and he transported several, then he again came back. he was killed right here by russians. there was a car with his buddy inside. and here was another car which he just smashed with a person inside. >> oh my gosh, there was a person inside? >> yeah, yeah, powerful. >> if you are pointing out the
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bullet tore holes in the trees, it looks normal. >> it looks normal, right. >> it looks like a suburban community. people going about their business. it's early morning now. you can see traffic is happening. explain that to me because when you are in kyiv it looks normal and then all of a sudden an aerate siren goes off. >> it's worse even those days, some days, some moments, it's absolutely normal. and then something happens. it can be an explosion, aerate signals, it could be, i don't, know that -- at these moments, you realize that the war continues. the war is in place. and i think bucha, in the european and host terminal was the moment. that was the first liberating from the russian areas. it was the first. and we just realized what a catastrophe happened here. what atrocities.
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what war crimes. interesting story about this building. i didn't know, if this family lived here are. not i have a video. i came, that was -- to this house -- and then a lady came out. and she recognized me as a reporter. and she started to speak with me. this is a house on the ground floor, they have a beauty spot. like, a beauty salon. they live on the first floor of the building, they lived at the time, not now. and russian forces, they were deployed here. they lived together with these people. >> i'm looking at the shop, it was open, and people were going outside? >> yeah it was unbelievable. >> [speaking non-english]
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>> it was this lady one year ago that we met here, and she showed me the house. where the russians were. >> what was your relationship like with the russian soldiers? >> [speaking non-english] >> so she says that it depends from the troops, from, they're like, the units. the first, not the first day, when they came, they locked them in the basement. and the first day was awful. they were shooting everybody, and they were just killing, and then, the next day other troops arise. and at that moment they even
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decided, maybe everything is finished. but then arrived another troop. so there was also this rotation. >> they were treating this as -- a >> guy, was embarrassed. it was a barrick. >> [speaking non-english] >> from march 3rd to march 31st, that's for those, weeks there was a barrack, and an officer. and she was saying that they went after liberation. two, weeks they were just taken garbage from here. >> [speaking non-english] >> 40 people left altogether and they were coming into their to eat something together, to drink something together. >> this place here -- >> these, no, altogether. to hear --
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[speaking non-english] -- here 20 and then more 20 there in the next part of the building. five tanks, staying all the time, in each tank with eight people. >> five tanks with eight people? >> yeah, troopers with the armor. >> this is unbelievable. >> yeah. >> it's unbelievable -- [speaking non-english] clear -- >> it's unbelievable that the reopening, either running a business, in the back at home. >> absolutely. [speaking non-english] >> she says that they want to rebuild everything. they will rebuild everything. >> they will change everything and they will work. ukraine is the best place to live in. thank you. thank you for this. >> thank you very much.
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>> can you believe we got in there is the first thing she does is offer us a coffee? the hospitality isn't really something. thank you for taking me around, magenta the arena, for opening her doors to us. she did invite us to come back, and i suspect one day we will. i've been hosting on reporting live for the past two weeks right here in kyiv. the capital, i've come to expect multiple arid sirens every day. it's a new normal here because of the constant threat of russian jets and missiles and self destructing drones. as i keep mentioning at the top of the hour, if an aerate siren does sound during the show this morning, we will need to leave this location and head to a more secure spot. if, so my colleague katie fang is standing by in new york to pick up coverage, until i'm set and safe to rejoin. earlier this week, an aerate siren went off while president biden was making his historic visit to kyiv. he walked with ukrainian president, zelenskyy, in the monastery where you stand right
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now. it's quintessential towers and bells have been the backdrop and soundtrack of much of my colleagues and own reporting during the course of this war. in a, way st. michaels monastery and the recharge of this country itself, joseph stalin's past view of the monastery could stand as a precedent, validating putin's war in ukraine. the monastery was built in the 11th century, and was named after st. michael. whom they consider to be the protector of kyiv. while the characteristic golden dome and the bell tower, they were added in the 1700s. later, the soviet union, under joseph stalin dean this ukrainian culture with no historic value, and ordered its closure during the 1930s. a couple years later, he ordered its entire destruction. blowing it up. after ukraine gained independence in 1930, one following the fall of the soviet union, a movement began to reconstruct the monastery. no nuggets importance in part
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of ukrainian culture and heritage. it was entirely rebuild. what you are looking at was entirely rebuilt. and officially reopened in 1989, included in the design, a chapel, dedicated to the victims of joseph stalin's forced famine on ukraine. known here as the holodomor, which is a great famine where several million ukrainian families were killed. it was a genocide. the smallest awestruck leap in known as a place of refuge. some 800 years ago, the precip and the doors of the original monastery, to residents who are seeking shelter and safety from outside invaders. historically, the monasteries bells were wrong to warn the city was under siege. fast forward to 2013. a year before russia's invasion of crimea and donbas, a group of protesters who had come under the attack from government forces less than half a mile from here sought refuge in the monastery. they had been demonstrating on independent square against a pro russian government, and keeping russian influence when they were savagely beaten by
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then prohibition forces. the monastery months wearing the tower bells proclaiming the city under siege. they once again open the doors to those seeking refuge. that marked the start of what was known as the revolution, which continue to go for many. months now more than a year into russia's full-fledged invasion of ukraine, the cultural importance and significance of st. michaels is not lost on ukrainians, or the citizens of kyiv. some describing the characteristic bells as the heartbeat of ukrainian resistance. it's a heartbeat we hear every day. every single day here in kyiv. often while i'm on the air. it's a heartbeat that vladimir putin continues to ignore. like joseph stalin before, and vladimir putin -- pushes a false and dangerous notion of ukraine as having no historical value, and putin's war is an essence of war on culture, demanding fealty by force. joining me now, alexa vasylenko, a member of the ukrainian parliament, the permanent delegation to the parliament
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assembly of europe, founder and chair of legal hundred, which provides assistance to service members and veterans. great to see you finally in person. >> finally in person. >> we've got a chance to meet before including this in some very difficult times. i was speaking of bucha. and you and i spoke at that time, when you are one of, again, one of the first people to immediately go there is a member of parliament, to bear witness to what you saw. and the other day, when president zelenskyy was asked about the worst time of the war, he talked about bucha. >> it was one of the most dramatic, saddest, and scary stays. when bucha got uncovered, i wasn't in ukraine. i was hundreds of thousands of kilometers away. but i was, as a woman, i was feeling scared, a, fade that and, because i was just imagining, what if it was me? what if it was my daughters? what if it was anyone who i knew? and the feeling, the feeling was just absolutely paralyzing.
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and also, gave the energy to do more. and to fight back harder. knowing that i would never want this to happen to either me or anyone i love. >> that's the interesting part about it. this wasn't some distant place. it's 15 kilometers from where we are now. this is a suburb of kyiv. but i did -- i have found that the resolve that we encountered last year, when this began, has not weekend at all amongst ukrainians. >> no and why would it? i mean, we know right now, who we are dealing with. during the months, during the month of march when the regions of bucha and those villages around kyiv were occupied, we were only contemplating what we would be finding their. we knew exactly that there would be many killed. we knew that builds -- buildings would be destroyed. we suspected that torture chambers were set up. and all of our suspicions came alive. we saw the naked bodies of
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women being left on the roads. we saw the devastation that was put on by the russians. and that made us pushback harder. because we only have one ukraine. we only have one life. and we want to live this life for ukraine. and here we are, a year after this escalation of oppression. the tense year of the war coming on and we are still fighting. and we will fight until the end. and for the victory of ukraine. >> you've been one of the people who goes out to these countries and speaks to, not only leaders of other countries, but members of parliament. people who are going to be influential in the decision to maintain western support for ukraine. it's not obvious that we are where we are today. it's not obvious that everyone in europe was going to do what they were going to do in terms of sanctions. what kind of work does that take, to continue to how the world be has alluded in support of ukraine? >> immense amounts of work. when people ask me these days,
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so where are you base? i have no answer for that. just because i spent so much time in all kinds of diplomatic parliamentary missions. pretty much across the whole globe. and i tried to get engaged and involved as much as possible through the media in particular, and i'm always very grateful for the communication platforms provided. to speak about ukraine, to give an overview of what is happening here on the ground. what it feels like to be ukrainian these days. and why it is so important that ukraine wins. it's a sort of mission that i have taken on myself, i know what i'm good at, i'm not the perfect fighter on the frontlines but i know that i have the languages, the communication skills, and quite a lot of contacts that makes me a successful communicator for ukraine. i think every ukrainian here especially for the first weeks, has found a place for himself or herself applying the skills that they are best. at the things they do best.
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and making sure that every day, every minute of the day, they're making something for ukraine. >> is this where you thought you'd be? i mean i don't know what i even asked that question because nobody wanted this more. but, where are we today compared to where you hoped would be and what you hope we will be in a year from now? >> i'm very positive thinking person, an optimistic, with rose colored glasses a lot of the time. so actually my hopes where that this excavation could be prevented. in the weeks coming, up to this escalation, i was speaking to colleagues, again, across the globe. and everybody thought it was their responsibility, you know, the russians, there intelligence is 100% right, my question, was hey, what are we going to do about? it and i didn't get a clear answer. not from a single country representative. there was implications that we should sit down at the table, to negotiate with putin, push
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the landscape as the opposition to sit down and negotiate with putin. crimea is a goal, you cannot get it back, and then it will be fine. which was ridiculous in my opinion. and i was just desperate. i remember this feeling of complete desperation at some point. because i didn't understand. i'm talking to educated people, whom went to universities, who probably had a season history throughout their high school days. they wrote about the second world war. they know what appeasement of dictators leads. two and this is exactly the situation that we are looking at here in 2022, and the 21st century. and it was like talking to a wall, with people not hearing, just saying negotiate, negotiate, negotiate. and i'm so proud of our president -- today, that he didn't negotiate. he didn't take the option. he continues to ask for ammunition, and, weapons and is an inspiration to his people. to his. army and now also to leaders across the globe. >> it's gonna feel good though
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in this country to get back to politics where you can discuss domestic issues. because right now, every ukrainian i've spoken to has the same view. they want to finish. this they want this war to end. they believe it will end. but it's only going to end of russia. leaves president biden said this week, if russia decides to end this, war the war ends. if ukraine decides to stop fighting, ukraine ends. >> exactly. and that was clear for us back in 2014, when it all started. we were saying the same phrase that if ukraine stops fighting that will be no ukraine. this is existential for, us we will stop existing. i don't want to stop existing. i want to continue living as a ukrainian in my own country. during my own language, my own culture, he spoke about the history of this place where we are right now, it is so, which it is so beautiful. i don't want to be giving that. up and i shouldn't have to give that up. there is international law, which is supposed to protect. we have there's a responsibility of their international community as a whole, i'm really waiting for
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that effort to still grow, and to still be mobilized. so that ukraine with its armed forces, push back on the russians, hopefully by the end of spring 2020. again, rose colored glasses here. >> people have said that though, and your president has said that he would like this to be the year that this ends. but the polish president says, if it doesn't, those worries that russia will go into another country or will try those things in another country. a lot of people say that's ridiculous. you talk about pulling missiles, in other countries. but people who live in european countries really fear that this is true. ukrainians are standing between accent -- an expansionist russia on the. >> close you are to russia, the more you understand what russia really is. you don't just understand, you feel it. russia is an empire. an putin that has a psychopathic dream of rebuilding the broken structure. and for, that he needs ukraine. it's imperative. then you would also like to have the baltics reattached, he
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would like to maybe have some territories of poland, maybe other eastern european countries. and the leaders of this country to, they are reading into what he is speaking, he is making these talks and the concerts, when he is addressing his people, he's making little signals, that look, i'm not going to stop with ukraine and i shouldn't have to stop with ukraine. and he won't stop with ukraine. because as any normal autocratic dictator, if he's not punished, if he doesn't stop, he's just gonna see it as a green light to go on and to grab more and more and more. >> it was great to meet you in person. thank you. >> likewise. >> lesia is a ukrainian member of parliament. ahead, i'm gonna talk to bill browder, the man responsible for exposing financial corruption, and the -- trauma silvas, the former president of estonia, grappling with russian hostility for years they know a thing or two about what putin is capable. of plus, today, ukrainians
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ukrainian day of resistance again the occupation of crimea in 2020. president vladimir zelenskyy signed a decree declaring the annual holiday, calling for the liberation of crimea and the city of sevastopol. it was 2014 when russia annexed the peninsula including sevastopol and today, much of the world marks the first anniversary of russia's war in ukraine, pleasant -- president zelenskyy realigns his nation in the world, russia 's resolve on ukraine's sovereignty began nine years ago. russian aggression began in crimea, by returning crimea, we will restore peace. this is our land. our people. our history. we will return the ukrainian
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about the danger he poses for years. bill browder was russia's leon clean foreign investor, who have exposed excess corruption among russian officials, and worked with congress to get them in and ski act pass. this -- from entering the united states, and also freezes their assets. the laws named after browder's russian accountants. or game and in ski. he died in a russian prison in 2009 after exposing a 230 million dollar tax fraud scheme involving russian state officials. after the u.s. passed them in a ski act of 2012, numerous countries have passed similar legislation, for me what is essentially a global sanctions framework against human rights violators. reuters global efforts to hold russian officials accountable, and for human rights violations, have placed him directly in the crosshairs of vladimir putin, whom he says has tried to have him arrested, objected, and killed over the years. bill browder joins me now, he's the head of the global magnitsky justice campaign, and the author of freezing order, a true story of russian money
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laundering, murder, and surviving vladimir putin's wrath. also with us, -- the former president of estonia. it's a country that's been dealing with putin's hostility for nearly as long as that's been independent. estonia, which we gained its independence when the former sonia union in 1991, fears that if putin succeeds that annexing parts of ukraine, their country could be one of, if not the next target, given putin's history of -- president -- also served as the former foreign minister of the studio. he was the first post separation of acid or to washington in 1983. gentlemen, thanks for joining me. let's start with you. you have seen in the last week, at least the last few weeks, you and i have talked recently of the coming together of western and nato countries. this needs to stop. let's decide everything we can give ukraine and engage in that sooner than later, so ukraine doesn't slip back and it's
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holding off of russia. how do you think things have gone in the last few weeks? >> well i would say fairly well. i think that we need a good deal more, ultimately. at least the last several weeks have seen europe finally coming together, pledging leopard tanks, and other vitally necessary armor, and other equipment. let's face, it it's, you are up and the united states have been very slow. hoping that what they have given would be enough. it's clear that it will not be. if we want this war to be over, with a victory for ukraine, the west has to go all in. if it does not, putin will win, and then that sends the wrong message to the whole world.
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>> and bill, let's just talk about what president -- just said. i guess that a member of parliament say the same thing to me, and ever ukrainians as the same thing. there is a real danger that it doesn't start with ukraine. whether or not russia is successful in ukraine. that if he is successful in ukraine, putin pushes forward. if he's not successful in ukraine, push and pushes forward. what's your take on what the thinking is in the kremlin? >> putin's invasion of ukraine is not about ukraine, it's an invasion of ukraine is about the starting of a war gathering up all nationalists, frenzy, and for putin's stay in power. putin is a man who's been around for 22 years. he's stolen an enormous amount of money from the russian people. he's worried about people turn on him. he started a war to stay in power. ukraine is definitely not his last stop. if he were to win in ukraine, i agree with you completely, and
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with presidents -- that he would be at the estonian border. this is a nato ally. then it puts the whole world in a much worse place than we're in right now, which is then we have to decide, does the west, finau did states, uk, europe, want to go to russia. i think that it really is frustrating to watch how the western governments have all been sort of holding back on weapons, even though the ukrainians have been begging for these weapons from day one. the justification for that is that we don't want to escalate this conflict. but putin is escalating the conflict. if we want to do anything to save ourselves from entering into a direct conflict, we should do everything possible to give ukrainians every category of weapon in the amounts that they're asking for, so that they can successfully fight, often repel the russians, that we don't have to do it with their own soldiers, and our own deaths, in the future.
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>> president -- you and i had this conversation when russia, when germany had said that we don't put the slipper tanks in that because then putin will be able to say that, and say, this is nato's war. one of the main reasons that the baltic states, where your from, have been top contributors to ukraine's defense is because fluffy, atlanta winnie, and estonia, have been one step ahead of western europe and perceiving the russian threats. what is this issue that western europe historically downplayed the threats posed by vladimir putin's russia? >> well a lack of experience, i would say. they have, if you look at the history of western european relations, away from russia since the collapse of the soviet union, first of, out there has been a rather different approach toward them by russia, than towards us. they threaten countries like mine. they haven't been threatening western europe. they chose to close their eyes after the invasion of georgia.
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and immediately, they went back to business as usual. let's recall that after the invasion and occupation of crimea, the next year, germany signed the treaty for nord stream 2, as if nothing it happened. the response of western europe has been remarkably glib towards russian aggression. and unfortunately, this is what's, on one hand, this encourages putin to invade ukraine. saying that nothing will happen if i do this. well, i'll get a few sanctions but they're really not going to come together. on the other hand, has finally been a wake up call for the rest of europe. we have been telling them for all these years -- >> bill, in an op-ed that was published on thursday in the financial times, you strongly urged western nations to seize more than 300 billion dollars
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in russian reserves that are sitting in western banks. you write, quote, this monday should not just be frozen, it should be seized with the defense and reconstruction of ukraine. this seems entirely morally logical. it makes financial sense. it would be an easy response to those complaining about the cost of this war. and quote. tell me more about, this belt. why hasn't this been done? one of the hurdles and getting it done? >> first of, all we should recognize the damage that putin has done, is estimated to be at 1.2 trillion dollars and rising every day and there is going to be a point in time when we have to fix and rebuild ukraine, and at the same time, a week after this war started, the west froze 300, roughly 300 and $50 million of central bank reserves that the u.s. federal reserve, and -- that money, i mean it's obvious, there are people in washington right now, marjorie taylor greene, tucker carlson, all the
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sort of fringe right-wing of the republican party, there say, no more money for ukraine. while they may be the fringe, but people are going to start to complain as this war drags on. the easy way to fix this problem is to let russia pay for the damage that they've done. putin broke, that he should fix. that who was standing in the way? it's the, it's sort of the state department, and the british foreign commonwealth office, and foreign ministry around the world that are saying, this is never been done before. >> nor has a major superpower invaded a country and the last 70 years. we are putin's reinventing international crime, it's time that we adjust international law to come into compliance with that. it seems to me that this is like the tanks, that no one a year ago said will be able to get those tanks to ukraine -- were never going to do, that we don't want to blame things.
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the same people are saying, we don't want to seize the russian assets for ukraine. i think that that will solve, that will soft and when the financial burden starts to hit us. >> things are going to get a little more complicated because china has found itself a little more involved in the last week. we want to talk about that we come back. we're going to take a quick break. bill browder and -- stay with us, i want to continue right after this. ht after this. this'll help. vicks vaporub? vicks vaporub's ...medicated vapors go straight to the source of your cough... ...so you can relieve your cough to breathe easier. vicks vaporub. fast-acting cough relief. shingles. some describe it as pulsing electric shocks or sharp, stabbing pains. ♪♪ this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks. a pain so intense, you could miss out on family time. the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you.
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provided military equipment to russia for purposes of fighting in the war in ukraine. i think it would alienate them from a number of countries in the world, including our european allies. and, it would put them four square and the center of responsibility for the kinds of war crimes, and bombardments of civilians and atrocities that the russians are community and
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ukraine. their weapons would be used for the slaughter of people in ukraine. i think it would be ill-advised for china to move forward, but of course that's a decision beijing will have to make for itself. >> back with, we build broad, or the head of global justice campaign, and presidents -- the former president of estonia. several u.s. officials and one former official telling nbc news that u.s. officials are briefed on information suggesting that china is considering sending lethal weapons to russia. you recently warned that if china provides arms to russia and ukraine, it's going to catastrophic for ukraine. it could lead to world war iii. tell me why you think it's that serious. >> well we're in a situation right now in this war when russia has effectively run out of weapons. in order to continue to fight, they're having to take countries like north korea and iran to provide drones and ammunition. if china were to show up, and
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fix this problem, then all of a sudden ukraine is really in a very bad place. all of a sudden, perhaps the advances that ukraine has made would be reversed. many more soldiers in ukraine with die. it would then provoke perhaps more response from various allies, and this then, we really do have an escalation situation. i am hoping and praying that the noise were hearing around china and weapons it's just noise. so far it hasn't been confirmed, although secretary state blinken mentioned at the munich security conference, and of course the national security adviser, jake sullivan was just speaking out that. if it is confirmed, it's a very, very bad omen. it's probably the worst news since the war began, because it just gives russia a whole new lease on life to carry on killing ukrainians.
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>> presidents -- the something president zelenskyy sat at his press conference this week, he sort of expressed a little bit of dissatisfaction around the positions that france is taking on negotiated settlements. you and i were talking about germany is the reluctance to support the sending of those leopard tanks into ukraine. there are some leaked reports that you retweeted this week, indicating that both germany and france are potentially considering offering ukraine a security guarantee, if it agrees to peace talks with russia. i love your thoughts on this. >> well, let's recall that ukraine was often signed on to a security guarantee in 1994, and exchange for getting rid of its nuclear weapons. which it did in good faith, and in return, russia promised to respect, in perpetuity, the territorial integrity of ukraine. this is backed up by the u.s.,
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and ukraine. i mean this is not only the ukraine, this is much broader topic for nuclear proliferation anyway. i mean why would the ukrainians ever trust anything short of nato? so when a country comes and says we'll give you security guarantees, i sincerely, i mean i don't see how the ukrainians would buy that. >> bill, let's talk a bit about reservations at the west have towards contributing to ukraine's defense, are making greater contributions to ukraine's defense. you make the case that actually, this reluctance for their enables latimer putin. you actually wrote this on twitter. let me read this to you. hold on, here it is. the main reason the west has only given ukraine enough weapons not to lose the war, but not enough to win is an obsessive fear of escalation. but putin is the one doing the escalating and he just sees our fear as an opportunity to kill
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more ukrainians. your thoughts. >> this whole obsession with escalation is really put, and either way, it's appeasement. that's what people are trying to do. they're saying, we need to appease putin. i mean just think about it seriously. is putin going to, if we supply let's say jets to ukraine, which is what they're asking for, and by the way, what i predict will eventually happen, but if we do that, is putin then going to, say okay i want to go to war with nato? putin can't even fight a war with ukraine. he can't compete, there's no way he's going to have a war with nato. then at the question, as does he want to start a nuclear war that, we all know the nuclear war as mutually assured destruction. and that's why he hasn't started a nuclear war, and i don't think he will start a nuclear war. putin, when he sees this talk of escalation, he just use it as sort of a green light until a few months from now when people then come around to providing whatever category of weapons we were all holding back. putin is a bully. he's a thug. the only thing he understands
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is a boot on the throat. all of this kind of mealymouthed appeasement staff, it only encourages him. >> gentlemen, thank you both for being with us this morning. you both have been sounding this alarm for a long time, and we appreciate you continuing to do. so bill reiter is the head of the global magnitsky justice campaign. he's the author of freezing order, a true story of russian money laundering, murder, and survived vladimir putin's wrath. which actually reads like a remarkable thriller. -- is the former president of estonia. thanks to both of you this morning. we'll be right back. ht back. boost your team's productivity with samsung's fastest processor yet. switch and save up to $1000 on the new galaxy s23 ultra. now that's epic. on the network america relies on. ♪ this feels so right... ♪ adt systems now feature google products like the nest cam with floodlight, with intelligent alerts when a person or familiar face is detected. sam. sophie's not here tonight. so you have a home with no worries.
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of weeks, and we've been on tv a lot. much of it overnight and on little sleep. that's what we do. and the wee is critical here. the show's name is velshi, and on the face of, it but this show doesn't produce itself. there are teams of people in new york, including my velshi editorial team, to put it together. there are security teams, another nbc staff here in ukraine to help make sure that these shows come to life. then there is my core team on the ground, including these two books. mark and roberts, who lives in the uk in the red jacket on the left, and -- who lives in new york and the gray jacket on the right. engineers to make sure that you can hear me properly, and i can see what i need to see, and all the systems are working, and the satellites are getting to where they need to go. then there's jonas, he's the
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one behind the camera. abstain at him right now. he's based in frankfurt. sean kyi, my other photographer, all that state material we used to put our stories together, that's him. mike ryan, our great tech manager, he underseas the tech side of the -- and is the editorial producer who handles the storylines we choose to follow. they work in the new york area. craig crow valley in, i think i got that right. he's from wales. he's on the stake in all these great photos that we're looking at. that's actually not his role. i can't tell you much about his role except to say that because of him, and his team, we stay safe. and our local producer, and so-called fixer, anastasia nastasiya -- she sort it does everything. she provides stories for us to cover, to translate when we interviewed people, or we just need to get lunch. she tells us the stories from her country. she smooth things over with the police when they aren't sure what we're up to. unlike the rest of us, she is not going home. because she is home. these people are the tip of the iceberg of the folks who make the shots possible, and i'm
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grateful for them. once again, as we pick up steaks and head home, i shall remember the great brave people of this nation. i will leave them with the wish that they taught me, may they have peaceful skies. l skies. a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex -- developing this hour, some new concerns over china's potentially evolving role in the war in ukraine. three u.s. officials tell nbc news that new intelligence suggests that china is considering sending artillery and ammunition to russia, earlier today democratic senator ben cardin had a stern warning for china if it follows
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through. >> china needs to know that there will be consequences. we've isolated russia economically, we can do the same thing in regards to sanctions against china. china needs to understand that they need to be on the right side of history here. tacked on a sovereignty of an independent states, what russia has done is a war of aggression. china should be with us. >> well those new developments come as ukraine marks one year since russia launched its full scale invasion, as we enter now the second year of the conflicts. national security adviser, jake sullivan, tell an embassy news that the role the u.s. will play to bring it and to this war. >> it's will define victory for ukraine. it's for the united states to support ukraine on the battlefield so that they can achieve the victory that they defied. that's what we're determined to do. we believe they can achieve that. we are going to give them the implements, the tools that they need to be able to achieve that. >> all discuss more
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