there will be consequences. we've isolated russia economically, we can do the same thing in regards to sanctions against china. china needs to understand that they need to be on the right side of history here. tacked on a sovereignty of an independent states, what russia has done is a war of aggression. china should be with us. >> well those new developments come as ukraine marks one year since russia launched its full scale invasion, as we enter now the second year of the conflicts. national security adviser, jake sullivan, tell an embassy news that the role the u.s. will play to bring it and to this war. >> it's will define victory for ukraine. it's for the united states to support ukraine on the battlefield so that they can achieve the victory that they defied. that's what we're determined to do. we believe they can achieve that. we are going to give them the implements, the tools that they need to be able to achieve that. >> all discuss more on where this conflict could be headed

in just a few moments, with former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul, meanwhile we have new reaction from donald trump's lawyers after the four person for the special grand jury investigating alleged investigative interference gave a series of candid interviews earlier today. trump's lawyer say her comments could impact a possible trial. >> we've lost 100% confidence in this process. we feel this process has been compromised. this 30 world foreperson has actually provided us a lens, and made us aware that every suspicion we have as to this questionable process was in fact a reality. >> a new reaction to the marjorie taylor greene's proposal for a national divorce. earlier today, her republican colleague michael mccaul dismissed her tone, and stated goal to divide this nation by red and blue states. >> divisive rhetoric, i think

polarizes this nation, and i think it hurts this nation. i think we need a voice that can unify this nation on things that matter. like the economy, like the border, like the largest invasion since world war ii, and a threat to the pacific. we should all be standing as americans. >> an active day of news and new developments for you to cover. we have reporters in place with the very latest here in overseas. washington dickey. for going to go first to nbc's monica elvis, standing by the white house for us. the mounting pressure, monika, that's facing president biden over china possibly supplying russia with weapons in ukraine, how is the administration expecting this to play out? >> hi there, alex. we started this conversation a week ago on the show when it was the secretary of state warning china about the consequences if they did decide to ultimately supply russia with ammunition and artillery in the war against ukraine. we are understanding from our

own sources, from u.s. government officials, this is still something china's potentially considering, but hasn't actually done yet. we're speaking and really high stakes hypotheticals here. that's something that president biden himself was talking about, and asked about on friday at the white house. it was his own assessment, he said, that this hasn't happened yet, even though we do know that china has supplied russia with some non lethal aid to this point. what we're talking about now, potentially happening, potentially crossing a red line in the words of some of the administration, would be giving weapons, and munition, artillery to the russians from china. there was a question about the possibility of drones, which is unclear whether that would be a part of any of that. even though some lawmakers, just this morning, on the sunday shows, we're saying that there's a possibility of that as well. obviously, the white house, the state department is tracking that very closely. the president himself, when asked that, he said that he thinks that if this does happen,

china will face the same consequences as any other country who has done that. that is potentially to be sanctions, or to have other potential consequences that he didn't want to lay out specifically, since again, we're talking about something that could happen, but hasn't happened yet. of course this is a big part of the consideration for all of the agencies that are part of dealing with the war in ukraine. we've got a new insight from the cia director who had an extended conversation with cbs, and face the nation this morning, who put this into a larger context about the difficulties right now in assessing president putin's point of view as this ongoing war escalates. take a listen. >> it was to make clear to -- and threw him to president putin, the serious consequences should russia ever choose to use a nuclear weapon of any kinds. i think that he understood the seriousness of that issue. i think president putin is understood as well. >> what do you walk away from this conversation with? you said it was the spirited.

why? >> it was a very defiant attitude on the part of mr. to her skin as well. a sense of cockiness, and hubris. this reflects putin's own view, his own belief today that he can make time work for him. that he believes he can grind down the ukrainians. >> of course the backdrop to all of this, alex, is that the war in ukraine is entering its second year. president biden spent some time on friday meeting with g7 leaders, continuing to shore up support. saying that, of course, the u.s. will continue to back ukraine as long as it takes, but it comes as china has really entered the conversation. those consequences, again, something that's only just being considered until the u.s. intelligence community can learn more about whether china does take this additional step. alex. >> i've gotta say, cia director -- interpretation of that conversation is not a surprise, but yes, to his points, dispiriting to hear the cockiness and the hubris with which he described it. all right, thank you so much

for that. also new today, president zelenskyy declaring that nine years ago, and russian aggression began in crimea. that by returning crimea, ukrainians will restore peace. nbc's erin mclaughlin is a key for. us air, and a big welcome to. you did this come as a surprise to folks there? >> well not at all. for sometime now, ukrainians leadership has been saying their definition of victory in this war includes the return to ukraine's 1991 borders. they're thinking is that leaving any portion of ukrainian territory occupied by russian forces simply invites russian forces, russia, to return as the aggressor at a later date. not only that, ukrainian leadership also believes that they are capable of pushing the russians out. they see a window of opportunity on the battlefield, with both sides of this point been low on ammunition. the promise of weapons, the

promise of ammunition, artillery, and the like, from the united states, giving them a distinct advantage. i was speaking to a senior adviser to the ukrainian president who said that he believes that we could be at a turning point in this war if they get that ammunition. if they get those weapons of the front lines. by the end of the spring, potentially. now nbc's chuck todd, on meet the press, put the question to national security adviser jake sullivan, asking him if the united states supports ukraine to go after crimea militarily. this is what jake sullivan had to say. >> the critical thing right now is that they need to take back the territory in the south, and the east. that what they're currently focused -- on and we need to give them the tours to be able to do that. the question of crimea, and the question of what happens down the road, is something that we will come to. what we are going to do is give

ukrainians the tools they need to be and the strongest possible position. to ultimately be able to convert battlefield gains into diplomatic leverage. that is the goal here. >> and that being said, the senior adviser telling me that he believes there is a common understanding between the united states and ukraine in terms of ukrainians goals in this war. alex. >> okay. erin maclachlan. thanks so much for all of that. we're continuing this conversation now. joining me, michael mcfaul, a former u.s. ambassador to russia. now nbc news international affairs analyst, and a good friend to. a sister master, thanks for joining us this sunday. first, off i know you are in touch with ukrainians and russians. did today's declaration about retaking crimea come as a surprise to you? it is a tall order given the year since russia annexed crimea. >> no, didn't come to a

surprise to me at all. president zelenskyy has been saying this throughout the war. the ukrainians have said it publicly. what they say privately might be different, by the way, we can get back to that. right now, they are determined to take all of ukraine back. by the, way the world agrees with them. even the chinese, and their peace proposal, if you read it, they're the number one point on that peace proposal is to acknowledge their territorial integrity, which the whole world recognized back in 1891 as including crimea. whether they can or not, that's a different question. making that a goal will certainly -- zelenskyy is committed to that. >> and then we ask you, the part you just said, whether it can or not. how much would a push for crimea escalate this war? >> well i think it would escalate the war, and in my opinion, that's the way you end the war. i think there is this a logical arguments that is bouncing

around. the notion is, if we escalate the war, we push putin in the corner, in the corner, he will strike out with a nuclear weapon. i have a very opposite view. if putin is losing the war, if putin is, if he might lose crimea, that's when he might actually negotiate. therefore, and by the way, we have examples of this. this notion that putin is crazy, he's gonna blow up the world, i have a radically different view. i've known putin for a long time, since 1991. remember when -- shot down the plane? putin's plane? that threw over turkey. everyone said, oh my goodness, oh my goodness, putin is going to go to war with turkey. he did the exact opposite. so don't get me wrong, i'm worried about escalation. i don't think putin has a lot escalatory moves. i do think that he'll begin to negotiate when he's losing. there are examples in history where people do crazy things. there are examples in history

when you're losing the war, as we did, by the way, in vietnam, when we negotiated with the north -- in 1992. when you're losing, that's also when you sometimes negotiate. >> do you see this war ending in any way other than at the negotiating table? >> well tragically, i can imagine this war not ending. and just grinding down with no winners, no losers, a stalemate on the battlefield. it's happened before in history. it could happen here. i hope that's not the case. i want to be clear about that. i do think that this year's critical, i listen closely to jake sullivan's interview today with chuck taught on meet the press. he said that we need to give the corneas the tools they need to increase their victories on the battlefield for leverage at the negotiating table. i agree 100% with what jake sullivan said, the national security adviser. i just don't think we're giving them all the tools they need. we've been focused on this of

16 debate, that i think is diversionary. one i talked to ukrainian officials, they say what they really need, right now, as long term, long range missile systems. the they can threaten russian bases, and russian air fields, inside crimea, with whatever reason the united states has decided not to give them that weapon. i think the focus needs to be on that weapon to do precisely to achieve the objectives, at the national security adviser sullivan outlined today on meet the press. >> what is of china gives russia the tools it needs. you know that intelligence suggests that china is considering sending artillery and ammunition to russia. they're not providing any specific evidence to support the claims, but what are you hearing about this? how much could this be a game-changer if it happens? >> and while it could be a partial game-changer. i don't think there's any silver bullet for the disasters in evasion that russia has.

no amount of weapons are going to save. them they have a real morale problem, they have a real soldier problem. i really don't think there's something that beijing can offer that will change that. but, it is a concern, and i think that president biden and his team have played this brilliantly. they have found out about it, obviously, some intelligence. they decided to use the vice president speech in munich to bring it to the public. i was in the audience when she talked about it. secretary blinken then double down on it. i think, if you listen to our officials, they think that by doing, so they have now helped to deter what would be a very escalatory move on the part of china -- by the, way a break with chinese foreign policy that they've never done that before. i think they've handled it rather smartly. >> so putting it out, there you are saying, will be a deterrent. how much does china care if the world sees it within a lines of this nature with russia? >> well that's a hard question.

i don't know for sure. i do know that a year into this war, they have not violated the sanctions regime that we have helped to put in place. that i think is very striking. i've talked to some russian business people in the commercial telecoms, and other kinds of industries, that need chips, or -- to sustain their businesses, they are not giving them from china. we block them. they're not getting them from china. so china's trying to have their cake and eat it too. and she jinping as. on the one hand, he has not supporting putin again, the united nations general assembly vote just a few days ago, they voted to abstain. they did not vote to support russia. that was very striking to me. on the other hands, they blame us. they say that we helped to to start this war, to put out their peace plan, i think that they're trying to, there's a very fine line that they're trying to get into a major war with us. but they don't want to throw their ally, russia under the

bus. >> i have a question for, years referencing video moments ago. it's part of a report from nbc's janis mackey. she got rare access to a u.s. navy surveillance plane. it was monitoring the south china sea, and here's what happened when she was on. board check this out. >> we fly through international air space between the philippines and taiwan, out toward the south china sea. where the -- china's military soon makes its presence known. >> u.s. aircraft. >> we're over the south china sea, and that is a chinese fighter. he's flying right beside us. we've >> seen the pilot in the weapons that some officer in the back, they're armed with severe weapons. and these are happening more often. >> the chinese jed shadow from 500 feet off the wing for over an hour. the navy says this encounter was professional but at the pla has been more aggressive. >> that is not a scene out of top gun maverick.

that is realize. and it's a scary scenario. how often does this happen and what does it say about the state of u.s. china relations. is the u.s. in a position to deter china from anything at this point. >> u.s. china relations are at their worst place they've been in decades. there's no doubt about it. and tensions continue to rise. we have not put a floor to that escalation that's been going on. that is for certain. for me, the scariest scenario in the world today. for american national security. is a chinese evasion of taiwan that could very well drag us into a conventional war with china. we need to be doing all that we can to deter that outcome. one of the things we need to do is to help ukraine defeat russia in their invasion. if we do that, if the ukrainians prevail.

i think that will make she jinping team twice about invading taiwan. make him think twice about the sanctions that might be imposed on china should they use that. some of our colleagues here in the united states, especially in the republican party said we should just focus on china. that's where our national security interests are at stake. i see these as deeply intertwined. you know who else does? i was just an taiwan fan months ago. the president and her defense minister and foreign minister in every national security advisor, they all set on equivocally that they are rooting for ukraine because they see a victory in ukraine as being good for the safety and security of their democracy in taiwan. >> absolutely. i can see that domino effect. thank you so much for explaining it so perfectly for us my friend. good to see you, ambassador mcfaul. new backlash over the dangerous gift how speaker mccarthy gave to tucker carlson. plus the cia director speaks out a new interview about a secret trip he took to kyiv

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norma's trove of january six footage given to fox host tucker carlson by how speaker kevin mccarthy. members of the house january six committee now condemning the potential security risks to the capital if that material is used irresponsibly. and we see julie standing -- by for us on capitol hill to talk about this. julie, what are you hearing from lawmakers about their concerns? >> look we, heard from senior members of democratic leadership including of course, leader schumer here in the senate leader jeffries in the house who are concerned that this could lead to security risks for not only -- but members as well. let's take a look -- when you think about these 44,000 hours of security footage from january six, much of it never seen before it by the public. remember, the january 6th elect

committee investigating the attack carefully one through this evidence. they had passed could protected information, only given to a handful of staff members. i know you heard that from the lead investigator yesterday as well. look, at this is really a security concern because of who this information was given to. solely tucker carlson. kevin mccarthy has not reply to our repeated requests for comments, asking why tucker carlson and why now. a coalition of news organizations including nbc news on a friday requested in a formal letter that the speaker actually handover this information and make it available for all media organizations. i want to take a listen to what madeleine the not to say on our air earlier today as a context for our viewers. she was in the audience for nearly every single january six hearing so she is familiar with how careful that committee was in order not to over share any information. watch. >> they treated those tapes with extraordinary care.

after all, these are security footage. it is revealing of where the capitol police are in different staging. what was going on. it would give access to bad actors to try to do it again. it's extraordinarily irresponsible. it's not as though tucker carlson puts forward accurate news. and how irresponsible of the speaker of the house to live up to some campaign promise to the far right and to tucker carlson to release the tapes. >> of course, carlson himself on his show has not even use the word insurrection in describing the capitol attack on january six. he promised to release a lease parts of that footage next week. we'll have to see what happens. >> oh boy, okay, but cold for that. thank you so much, julie. joining me now is connecticut congressman jim hines. democratic ranking member of the house intelligence committee. welcome, good to see you. plans to release part of that footage next week.

what is your reaction to all of this. tucker carlson even having access in the first place to all this security footage. is there anything that could be done about it? can you stop its release? >> and alex, that horse left the barn. it's out there. there is a least three things that are just deeply disturbing about this. madeleine just made the case for security. i'll tell, you anybody playing on tackling the capital of know the cameras are, they love to know what the police stations are, et cetera. from the standpoint of safety the capital, a huge problem. by the way, my other concerns, if you're going to do this, at the end of the day, these tapes belong to the american people. they're not kevin mccarthy's personal property. if you're going to do it, you make them public to all news out with. that's concerning ember to. this obviously shows the ideological background of what he's trying to do here. number three, really, even if you are going to pick a right wing outweigh it. we just got the depositions or we got the text the tucker

carlson with sending from his fox compiled freeze for he wanted to have a journalist fired because that journalist reported accurately on the trump story. this just has multiple levels of irresponsibility. i guess the only piece that can be fixed is that eventually, the american public or other news media outlets can get a chance to look at these things within tucker does what tucker does, which is the lie about what is really happening, these other organizations have an opportunity to -- selective editing he. does >> hopefully, to your point, nbc news, new york times, other organizations have said we need access to this too. we'll see what comes of that. meantime, yesterday, i spoke with the former lead investigator of the january six committee. let's take a listen to what he told me about their own access to this sensitive material. >> we had very careful constraints on access to that information for security concerns. we had a dedicated terminal in our space. we had password protected

access for only a handful of staff. importantly, before we used any of the footage. any of the capital police surveillance camera footage. we had a discussion with the capitol police about whether disclosure of that particular clip would jeopardize institutional security. they very jealously guard the location of these multiple cameras. >> you've expressed concern that the same care and concern might not be taken by tucker carlson as producers. are there serious security questions? do you worry this video, for example, could be cherry-picked, edited, aired and then all for a false narrative that terrible day to fox viewers? >> now that i have concerns, alex. i don't have any doubt in my mind. that's precisely what's going to happen. look, there is the near term issue around now a bad guy can through all the cameras are, where the police post sorry. all you need to do, god bless

you if you do it, watch ten minutes of tucker carlson to know that he is promoting a putin friendly narrative on what he says. of course, as you pointed out, he never wants all the brutal murderous violence insurrections occurred on january six precisely that which was i know because i was there. and so there's no question in my mind. in addition to the new term security risks involving this release is that -- i'm not gonna go so far say tucker is obviously a willing agent of putin but he is promoting kremlin friendly narratives every single day. i have no doubt in my mind that whatever gets edited in tucker carlson's editing studio is going to be at odds with the truth and very much consistent with the enemies of this country would have the american public believe. >> okay, on that somber note, let's turn to the war in ukraine now. equally somber in its second year. in this new interview, ca director bill burns describes a secret trip he took to kyiv in the days before the invasion. take a listen to this.

>> president biden had asked me to go to kyiv to lay out for president zelenskyy the most recent intelligence we had with suggested that vladimir putin was planning as what he thought would be a lightning strike from the belarus border. to seize kyiv in a matter of a few days. i do think that the rural of intelligence in this instance when, were able to provide to president zelenskyy, not just on that report but throughout the course of the war have helped him to defend this country with such courage internationally. >> providing intelligence is one thing. is it unusual that burns met secretly with zelenskyy. does the director of the cia up and meet with a leader of a foreign country? >> i wouldn't tell you that's a typical thing. typically, the director of the cia might meet with his or her counterparts in a foreign country. i think this is a very special case because there aren't many americans who know vladimir putin quite as well as bill burns does. ,'s longtime ambassador to

moscow. rio expert. like your previous guests -- has known putin for a long time. this was less about his title. although does say something when your chief of the intelligence. probably knows a lot of what you're doing. goes to tell you -- this was, i think, more about the fact that bill burns maybe the american who knows vladimir putin as well as any other american. >> what about that new intelligence suggesting china is considering sending artillery and ammunition to russia? director burns that every today emphasized china has not yet made that decision but what is actually happening on this? could the administration's decision to make this intelligence public -- as been suggested, could that keep china from actually following through. is that a deterrent? >> that would be sort of an echo of what you saw when the intelligence community selectively declassified information that showed that russia wasn't a fact going to invade ukraine. let me say two things about this. number one, there may be a

little bit less here than meets the eye. the notion that china is considering whatever that may be, sending ammunition, is not at all that surprising. sort of like united states right now. we're considering sending along roger tiller enough 16th. the doesn't mean that anybody's taken a decision to do it. i'd be a little surprise of inside beijing, there were lots of conversations about whether or not to support the russians. number two, i'm a little skeptical. i should say, i've not seen the intelligence to be referred to here. i'm a little skeptical. if you look at the 12 point peace plans that china just released, a lot of sort of platitudes and that sort of thing. a crazy idea for the division of ukraine. if you look at the last point and that, the chinese were saying we should really focus on reconstruction. reconstruction. the shiny see a lot of potential business there. you know how you get no to ukraine reconstruction business? you could know -- if you contribute to the destruction of -- that reconstruction necessary. >> point well taken there. even though that seem somewhat

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dana griffin in universal city. that's in socal for us. dana, i know you have some incredible pictures to show us. unbelievable to those of us who've grown up in a way. >> incredible. we're gonna show that in just a moment. good to see you again, alex. i just wanna show you this really quickly. we are at that same l.a. river corridor that we were yesterday at this exact same time where you saw that a raging river flowing out to sea. this is a great gauge for local residents who want to see just about the flooding it's here. now you, can see the bottom of this concrete corridor. there's just a sliver of water that is slowly making its way. it's drop dramatically. as the storm now heads east. >> life threatening flooding in the golden state. in southern california's ventura county, multiple rvs swept into the river. watch this dramatic rescue. one of several in the region.

a driver stuck in a raging floodwater clings to a rescue worker. they're both hoisted, swinging in the wind before safely landing on solid ground. saturday near los angeles, a dangerous light show. a live wire fell into the water, setting a car on fire. the historic winter weather wallops california with heavy snow. now we're having a bit of trouble because the snow is making it slippery. >> torrential rain, in some areas, nearly an entire months worth in 48 hours. strong wind gusts creating blizzard-like conditions in the san bernardino county mountains. >> first time i'm seeing snow in a long time. >> with san francisco seeing its lowest temperature is in over a century. in los angeles, experiencing its first blizzard warning in more than 30 years. san diego, with several water rescues. >> we just had a vehicle that was in the deep water, unable to drive out and two occupants

of the vehicle that needed to be rescued and pulled back to dry land. we anticipate doing this a few more times. >> the stunning system now headed east towards oklahoma city, wichita and kansas city. we're 9 million are at risk for large hail and even tornadoes. in michigan, thousands remain without power from an ice storm earlier this week. back in southern california, the mess the storm left behind and the danger is the system could still bring to the area. >> although the worst of it is over here in southern california like i mentioned, alex, there's a new system that's going to dump heavy snow and wind all the way from washington to northern california. there is also a threat as the storm that left the area heading east is going to hit an estimated 11 million people in the plains. that could leave tornadoes at 80 plus-mile-per-hour winds likely to see evening. alex.

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abortion and miscarriage. conservative group sued to revoke the fda's 22-year-old approval of the drug, mid oppressed down. it could be the most consequential abortion ruling since roe v. wade was overturned. joining me now, susan del percio -- david jolly from a republican congressman from florida. both are msnbc political analyst. danielle moodie, host of woke af. daily podcast on co-host of democracy-ish podcast. i welcome you all. good to see you. i look at a national new survey by the public relation research institute. keep in mind where it's coming from. it finds two thirds of americans say abortion should be legal in all or most cases. just 36% of republicans favor legal abortion. however, check out of state by state look. solid majorities favor legal abortion in the six historically close presidential states and into three red

states currently held by senate democrats. as you look at all that, if this trump appointed judge ends up banning abortion pills. will republicans pay the price? >> yeah, because they already are paying the price for their stance on abortion. it's really important to remember. it's not just the general election where you see that availability. when it comes to the primaries, last year, the republicans spent over backwards to come up with these complete bands including in the cases of rape and incest on the life of the mother. should this go all the way to the supreme court and come down against medically induced abortions, that's the equivalent of a national abortion ban. that will change everything for 2024. possibly even let the senate stay in the democrats hands. >> david, did you notice when i asked susan that question she answered lickety-split. what does it say that

republicans keep going after abortion? have they not learned anything? >> i think they're learning something. you're seeing some hide from the usher now. those are her when cycle this past november. coming out of jobs, the data is clear. the nation's pro roe. that is a different frame than whether your pro-life or pro-choice. the nation clearly by a large majority is pro roe. republicans are now -- this is a marriage that they started around 1980 with the religious rate and decided they would use this issue for political power. 42 years later, as susan said, very well, might cause some political power. >> here's the thing, danielle. i'm curious as to your gut reaction to the potential impact of this ruling. the white house said protecting access of certainly a priority. how much can be done if it's banned? >> there is not a law that can be done. the only thing that can be done is that the ballot box. frankly, republicans don't care about whether or not they have power or lose power because they control the courts.

this is what we have to understand. the reason why this case is being brought us because trump and mitch mcconnell were able to run the courts. this is something that democrats need to pay attention to in 2024. every year after that. because this is where our rights rest. >> okay, let's move to 2024, everybody. with the president making clear he intends to run again. take a listen to this. >> my attention has been for the beginning to run. there's too many other things have to finish in the near term for a start of campaign. >> is your age part of your own calculation into whether to run again? >> now. but it's a legitimate for people to be anxious about my age. totally legitimate to do that. only thing i can say is watch me. >> danielle, his comments are coming at this new poll shows a growing confidence within the party that biden actually gives them a better chance of winning the white house. what has changed and how much

does this factor into the president's decision and timing of any potential announcement? >> i think that joe biden probably has been one of the woefully underestimated presidents. he continues a lever over and over again on everything that he has promised the american people. even in the face a republican opposition, he keeps hammering in on the things that american people want. whether they want to play around with laptops and conspiracy theories. i think that the american people are saying that and regardless of his age, they know he's a fighter. >> that same poll, when you look at unfavorability among democrats and democratically independents, president biden comes in at 83%. that is 20 points more than both pete buttigieg and vice president kamala harris. they're in at 63. susan, is it a give it president biden his best position to be republicans next year? >> absolutely. the other thing besides saying to his democratic principles. president biden has still

fought to get some things done working across party lines. sometimes to his detriment with democrats. i think the president is in great shape. there was a pull out a few weeks ago that said only 40% wanted to see the president run again. watch when you put that number -- president gets an actual name and then you get 83%. >> interesting you bring that up. the washington post updated its ranking of the top ten democratic presidential candidates for 2024. president biden remain solidly at number one, david. when you look at this list, how many of these candidates with the gop fear a matchup with and is there anyone here you could see taking on biden? >> look, i think we all have to say who else. but let's be very realistic. there is one candidate for the democrats in 24. it's joe biden. age is not an issue. fitness is a question that he proved time and time again. he came off a remarkable state of the union. rick scott and his place has

been -- putting vladimir putin's place. when joe biden's time is down, the democrats have a very healthy bench. kamala harris will be a natural air to the race, if you will. vice presidents have a very tricky history. only about five out of 50 vice presidents have actually been elected to president. it would be a crowded field. kamala harris, likely to start as a front runner. expect many more democrats in that race. >> gotta say congrats to my chest camera man, that was a smooth move with all those. well done. let me turn to an interview that's getting a lot of attention this week. you guys have heard it. it's a granary for a person of the georgia election investigation who confirmed that it has recommended indictments. she did not stop there. take a listen. >> my coolest mom was shaking really giuliani's hand. that was really cool for me. i made a point of stopping them and being like wait, before you go back to those, can i shake your hand. it's an honor to be the. guy >> senator lindsey graham. what was we know? like >> fantastic.

he was personable, i really liked him. i really like talking to him. i kind of wanted to subpoena the former president because i got to swear everybody in. so i thought it be cool to get 60 seconds with president trump. of me looking at even being like do you solemnly swear and beginning to see for him in. i kind of just either would be an awesome moment. >> two words for you, starstruck. real quick to all of you. what are your thoughts on the impact of this interview. you first, and yelled, ensues, and then david, real quick. >> i don't think that she should've given it frankly. i think that we're going to see indictment soon. i think we knew that ahead of that interview. >> susan? >> she cause a problem that was unnecessary for the prosecutor. in three words, saturday night live. >> david? >> i'd put a healthy spin on this and say our nation is built on a justice or relies on a jury of your peers. which means the most powerful also get to be judged by those

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