tv Chris Jansing Reports MSNBC February 27, 2023 10:00am-11:00am PST
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good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. ron desantis taking brazen steps, winning over allies and donors who once backed donald trump. he's not alone. from west palm beach to wall street, we'll dig into the race for high-profile support and campaign cash, plus where the gop race stands right now. breaking news from a couple hours ago. the jury in the alex murdaugh double murder trial will get to
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see the crime scene for themselves. we'll have a live report from the courthouse in south carolina coming up. at least a dozen people hospitalized, but no deaths reported after tornadoes tear apart businesses and homes in central oklahoma. we'll have the latest on the storms that made million z miserable over the last 24 hours and the problems they left behind. first, the challenges to donald trump. ideologically, financially and organizationally, all ramping up. case in point, ron desantis is gathering for more than 150 donors, a huge event over the weekend held less than a ten-minute drive from former president trump's back yard. the event was described as, quote, part of desantis' increasingly open encroachments into the former president's long-term support base and ideological turf. that's just the tip of the iceberg with the florida governor set to extend his
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campaign with a national book tour that launches tomorrow. we should be clear. right nou desantis is still a distant second to trump, at least in the latest fox news poll. he's also far ahead of the next batch of official and unofficial republican candidates. let me bring in nbc capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. peter baker is chief white house correspondent for "the new york times," and tim miller is with me onset, writer-at-large for the bulwark. tim, for somebody who will barely mention donald trump's name, desantis is really on the move, raising money from folks who were giving money to donald trump in both of his campaigns, frankly. he's got his book tour and the stops include the reagan library. then he's going to blue states like new york and illinois. the first thing i thought was, is he takingorr president's skin? >> i think so.
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i think it's working. he might not be saying donald trump's name, but donald trump is sure saying his, sending tweets about ron desantis giving him a bunch of different nicknames. 's noting in reports from my republican friends and reporters with sources saying donald trump is noticing how active desantis is behind the scenes. he's calling people, trying to lock them down. this is what you do during the shadow campaign portion of a presidential campaign. last time it was around june that the actual campaign got under way. you've got five months to lock down endorsements, donors, activists. trump's team is making calls and hearing we're waiting to see what ron does. that's definitely getting under his skin. he's been lashing out. >> ali, you and your colleagues are reporting that desantis could wait until june for an official launch. what's behind that strategy? what does he think waiting buys him or is he truly undecided at
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this point? >> i don't think it's that. i don't think it's the latter. i think ultimately it's a little bit of the florida legislative calendar. in my conversations with sources close to desantis, the thing they keep coming back to is for him this legislative session that starts in march is really important from the perspective of giving him enough of a blueprint which he's already been making both in the 2022 reelect with how he reshaped how red florida was or at least was able to ride at the top of that wave for republicans, but then also the things he's done on education, on covid responses, all the things we often talk about that are especially red meat for the republican base, but really make up the foundation for any national run for governor ron desantis. that term is going to be really important. that's why advisers close to him say he's focusing on florida for the next few months. of course, he's doing it with the benefit of a national book tour and a book coming out tomorrow and doing it for the benefit of polls like the one you put on the screen that show
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him not first, but certainly always second in these polls. this has a pretty big margin. some of the other ones we've seen have shown him neck and neck with trump. if trump weren't in the field, desantis is a big benefactor of the maga base. it's something other campaigns have taken note of, people like the potential candidates like mike pence, actual candidates like nikki haley. it's also why in our story with john allen and natasha korecky, we report that donors are aware of these stakes as well as leaving themselves open even as they gather in palm beach with desantis, in austin with others over the weekend, this is shadow campaigning at its finest. get the money, the staff, the infrastructure so you can be in it for the long haul. >> peter, we talked about that fox news poll, trump up 15 points over desantis. i want to read their analysis of what it says about the state of the race overall.
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quote, currently the gop primary dynamics are simple, desantis needs trump to falter because most of the former president trump's supporters see the florida governor as the second-best choice. others need desantis to falter because his supporters have no fall-back option. what do you make of that analysis? i wonder if the support dance has, is it for him or against trump? >> look, first of all, i think it's notable that the former president of the united states, the nominee of the party the last two times is under 50%. that means most republicans don't want donald trump to be the nominee next time. the question is whether they can figure out a way to stop him from getting there. part of that is the fragmentation of the field. that's how he succeeded in 2016. 35% of the vote is more than
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enough to get you the nomination. the question is whether that opposition of trump will fragment this time or will it consolidate behind an alternative? that's what desantis wants to be. it doesn't make sense for him to get out early because he's already seen as the alternative. the question is whether he can consolidate and hold onto it. for those who rise fast in the polls, the best day of their campaign is the day they announce. from that point on they're the focus of attacks, and the magic begins to wear off. the question for desantis is whether he can actually build on that rather than lose that. at this point, nobody should write donald trump off. he is still the most powerful, potent force in the republican party. the chances are strong that he could win the nomination again. it's very open and very fluid. >> let's go back, tim, to that gathering, let's call it, that ron desantis had over the weekend. so interesting. look at the folks who were there. including ron johnson, tom
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cotton, mike lee, trump's former chief of staff, mick mulvaney. equally dwerg were the names of the grubs, election integrity, border security, and florida, where woke goes to die. what does that tell you about candidate desantis when he becomes a candidate? >> i think it's showing his skill at trying to unite the entire republican coalition. this is going to be the important part of desantis. the question is are the people anti-trump or for desantis. it could be both. the type of person, unlike pence, any establish type republican would want to court. he also had ann coulter down there, the woman behind the lens of tiktok twitter feed. he's trying to unite the old
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style establishment republicans with the maga insurgents. >> but can you do that when you really are proud of the fact that your state is where woke goes to die? >> i think tbd. i think what he's hoping is he can focus his energy on peeling away donald trump's maga support by leaning into the culture war, the anti-woke going after disney and the establishment folks will hold their nose and go along with it anyway because they don't want to have to deal with donald trump again. they're hoping he's doing this in a performative way. i think that's the tightrope he's trying to do. he's done it well so far. to do it far another year when donald trump is screaming at you on stage. >> meantime, peter, donald trump's last public campaign events were i think a month ago. we did see him at the train derailment in ohio. otherwise he stuck to private fund-raisers in mar-a-lago. desantis and pence are gearing up.
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your colleagues at "the times were are reporting that virginia governor glenn youngkin may be, season opening, somebody who has lots of deep pocketed friends in trump's old stomping grounds in new york city. what can you tell us about manhattan money and really might youngkin get into the race? might he take a big chunk of that new york city money and run with it? >> he might get into the race. i think it's very, very intoxicating when you're a new governor, as he is, who is basically being courted by people at the national stature that he is saying he could be president of the united states, how do you look at that and not feel attracted to the idea of it. can he actually find himself a lane? that's a different question. he is a more palatable choice to the establishment republicans than, say, desantis is. he's less right right in his culture war kind of approach. but he does play to that heart of the base as tim has talked about. he's talked about critical race
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theory, has made a name for himself in virginia fighting against wokism, per se, without being quite as sharp-edged as desantis is. i think right now the smart money, if you're looking for an alternative to trump, it is desantis. people say i do like trump, but i don't want to go through that again. desantis is the closest i can get to him. >> one little thing on this. on the shows this weekend, i had to notice that youngkin's top strategist said he thinks it's a two-man race between trump and desantis. that's a signal that maybe donors in new york want youngkin to run, but others are saying i don't know if there's room for you actually. >> do you think there's room for glenn youngkin? >> i don't. i think there could be if ron desantis falters.
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with desantis and trump in the race, i don't see much room for him. >> ali, i suppose there have been many, many people who were told there was no room for them in the race. let's just say barack obama, for example, when he ran against hillary clinton. we can go on and on and on. what are you hearing when you talk to republicans? how bik now do they think this race is going to get? are people nervous about the fact that this is touted as a two-man race? >> certainly if your name is not trump or desantis, you're upset about that characterization already, especially because someone like nikki haley is already officially in. when i talked to mike pence on friday, it's clear it looks like he's going to be running for president. he told me he'll make the decision by spring. certainly all of these candidates are going to try to buck that conventional wisdom to the fact that it's conventional wit dom or based on what polls
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we've seen for now. i think for desantis, the glare of the national spotlight has been on him, but nothing is bigger than the presidential. he hasn't had that kind of scrutiny. think about it. in 2018 he was in a tough republican primary. after that, that campaign was a test. 2022 was basically a coronation for him in his re-election battle. he hasn't had the intense scrutiny that comes with a presidential that all of us on this panel know can wear on a candidate and really take the shine off of them right now he's running on potential. now when he gets on the campaign trail, we'll see if that's tested. i also think as we follow the money on this, that's what the shadow primary is. money can go to more than just one candidate. a lot of donors might want to kick the tires here and play the waiting game a little bit, give enough to say they're on the team, but not that they're on the only team. >> ali vitali, peter baker, thank you. tim, you'll stay here with me. to central oklahoma where powerful tornadoes caused
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widespread damage, toppling cars, tearing off roofs. 12 people were injured and nearly 30,000 people across the south still don't have power. in california the highway patrol is advising not to use the roads today because they're bracing for another storm. more than 50,000 people still don't have power on the west coast either after a rare blizzard brought staggering piles of snow to door steps in areas, frankly, where a lot of people are more used to beach chairs than snow shovels. a deluge of rain pulled three massive rv trailers off a cliff. in pasadena the fire department rescued someone stranded in rising waters by helicopter. nbc's maura barrett is live from los angeles. with all that's going on, you wonder if california or, for that matter, the rest of the
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country can catch a break? >> reporter: somewhat of a break but not for long. luckily the incoming storm won't look like what we saw this weekend, a wild weather weekend for all of the west coast. tons of snow coming in southern california through downtown l.a. amidst the pine trees, you can see the snow. i live in chicago. i'm subbing in here in l.a. we haven't seen this kind of show in the midwest. out east in the san bernardino mountains, they saw more than 5 feet of snow across three days. it's record-breaking. they have never seen that before. they or warning people to stay off the roads as they anticipate more snow and rain this weekend. even up north, the sierra nevada have soon more than 10 feet. they're expected to get another feet of snow over the next
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couple days. luckily we saw, in the same videos of the rv falling off, we saw several spinoffs, luckily everyone okay. nothing crazy in terms of accidents or major injuries considering people in los angeles, in southern california are not used to this rain and snow. we expect to see many more inches of rain, many more feet of snow here over the next couple days. the flooding that was on the roads right now in california is something that people -- officials are warning people to stay off the roads and stay home in terms of -- unless it's an emergency to make sure ever one stay safe. >> maura barrett, thank you for the update. why are we seeing these wild weather patterns? and where could the storm be headed next? we'll ask our expert meteorologist coming up in the 2:00 p.m. hour. first, the murdaugh trial resumes. key witnesses closing out the defense case as jurors get ready to go to the murder scene.
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another stunning twist at the double murder trial of alex murdaugh. it almost never happens, but the judge said yes to a defense request, and jurors will make a trip to the murder scene. that's not all today. murdaugh broke down several times as he listened to a forensic pathologist go into graphic detail about the gunshot wounds that killed his wife and youngest son. nbc's ellison barber is outside the courthouse in walter borrow, south carolina. we or also joined by msnbc legal analyst and former u.s. attorney joyce vance. ellison, what was the defense argument for going to the scene, and do we know when they'll go?
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>> reporter: it's interesting. the jury asked the jury be allowed to decide whether or not they felt it would be hateful to take a trip, a jury viewing and go to the scene of the murders, what is known as mozelle, the family hunting lodge. after a back and forth of the state saying, well, we certainly aren't making that request, the defense said they would like the jury to be able to see it, because they felt there were some spatial questions in terms of location, a lot of different parts of this hunting lodge, this very big area have come up through out this trial. they said they felt for spatial purposes it would be important for the jury to be able to physically see some of these different locations they were talking about. the state said they felt like it could lead to them needing to call additional witnesses to testify because they say the property had changed since these murders occurred, that there are trees that were not there before, various things like that. in terms of what this could mean for the length of the trial,
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it's hard to say this morning. the defense was still saying they expect to wrap today. the prosecution had some witnesses they're planning to call tomorrow. both sides seem to agree that they expected to be in closing arguments by wednesday. the defense estimated this jury viewing or jury field tlip would probably take about three hours. now, whether or not the state would decide they need to call additional witnesses, that remains to be scene. for now, the timeline they say is still for this to be in closing arguments by wednesday. chris. >> i'm thinking way back to the o.j. simpson trial where they went out on location. you've actually done this at a trial. what are the pros and cons of taking a jury somewhere where there's been a murder? >> right. so it's accurate to say this is infrequent just because it's logistically challenging, to move the jury and take the security necessary along with them. this judge, interestingly
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enough, indicated he typically will permit this to happen if it's requested by either party. but it's much less risky from the judge's point of view to do it at the defense's request because it's unlikely it could be the sort of reversible error that an appellate panel might find fault with down the road. here what the defense is looking to do is create reasonable doubt. all they have to do is convince one juror that they should not vote guilty because they believe there's some doubt ability whether or not alex murdaugh killed his wife and his son paul. and from the argument that took place in court, the defense seems to be focused on the relatively small size of the feed room where paul was found and then the location between that area and where his wife maggie's body was found, hoping they can inject some sort of doubt in the mind of the jury that he could have done both of those murders all by himself
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which is essentially the prosecution's theory here. >> did you find when you were with jurors that they were incredibly attentive? did they have questions you might not have expected? i'm just wondering what the reas is? obviously one case is not always analogous to another. i would think most jurors would be curious. >> yes. jurors like to see the location. it's great when you have and when you're the federal government you have the resources to have the fbi build, which is often done, a scale model of a location and witnesses will testify using that model. of course, it's very interesting and compelling for jurors to see a physical location. i don't know how this judge will conduct this visit, but typically jurors aren't allowed to spot ask people questions during a trip like this, if there's any testimony to be had, it will take place back in the courtroom. there might be some orienting
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commentary about where they are and what they will see. but it's not really a free-for-all with jurors left open to satisfy their curiosity. >> speaking of in the kroo, ellison, we saw alex murdaugh break down again during the testimony of this forensic pathologist. tell us about that. >> reporter: we heard from a forensic pathologist today, also we'll hear from a blood spatter expert who is on the stand now in cross. what we heard this morning was a lot of questions raised by the defense's witness, suggesting that perhaps the proximity of the shooter, that that maybe was not entirely accurate based on the witnesses -- the prosecution witness' standing of things. they have questions about whether an exit wound was actually a contact wound. in terms of the proximity, what we heard from the latest witness is he is suggesting in order for a shooter to have shot paul
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murdaugh at the aria yeah they say likely occurred, that that shooter would have been covered in blood, brain splatter, perhaps injured themselves. this same witness just minutes before i came to speak with you, told the jury that he believes based on the totality of evidence he's seen at the scene, that a two-shooter scenario is more likely than a single shooter scenario. this is something you've heard the defense hint at before, but we heard very directly in the last 20 minutes for this witness from the defense, that he believes there could have been two shooters here, not one. >> ellison barber, joyce vance, thank you. desperate rescue efforts continue off italy's coast after three more bodies were recovered after a boat carrying migrants smashed into rocks and broke apart. the death toll is more than 60 people including children. dozens still reported missing.
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we've got breaking news for you. the fbi has arrested a florida man believed to have stormed the capitol on january 6th while wearing a panda costume. nbc's ryan nobles is on capitol hill. you can't make this stuff up. ryan, what more can you tell us? >> reporter: chris, this is one of the individuals that stormed the capitol, accused of storming the capitol on that day that online sleuths dubbed seditious panda. he was seen on security footage storming the capitol wearing this panda head. he's been arrested on a series of charges including assaulting, resisting, impeding an off section engaging in physical violence. his name is jesse james rumson. he was arrested in florida on monday. according to the affidavit which
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is part of the court record, they say he was not in the capitol for all that long, only about 15 minutes. one of the reasons he's being charged with a crime is after he left the building there is video evidence of him encouraging others to go into the capitol, to storm the capitol, if you will. he's also seen in somewhat of a physical altercation with a capitol police officer, actually grabbing the capitol police officer's face shield. this is someone that the online sleuths have been after for some time. according to the court records, police were able -- investigators were able to identify him because there were periods of time where he was seen taking the panda head off and on while he was at the capitol. so seditious panda now under arrest. we'll have to see how the adjudication process turns out. he's likely facing jail time. the leaders of a new house committee on china are denouncing texas gop who
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he's not finished what he started, and that's what's important. i think -- look at all that joe has done, has accomplished. >> so is all that's left at this point is just to figure out a time and place for the announcement? >> pretty much. >> pretty much, but that isn't likely to calm concerns among democrats who worry biden can't hold the white house. a new fox poll shows high approval rating among democrats, 85%, but 53% say they'd prefer to see someone else. let's bring in cornell belcher, msnbc political analyst. tim miller is back at the desk with me. so cornell, the poll seemingly echoes the sentiment. it's rare to challenge a sitting president. is that something democrats should be hoping for? i mean ultimately it's all about
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the age, right? it's the 8 in front of the number of his age? >> absolutely right, chris. i'm going to let you in on a little insider thing here. nowhere in modern history has an incumbent with anyone approaching an 84% approval rating ever lost re-election. so this whole idea -- >> but that's with democrats. that's with democrats. >> right. we're talking about the primary, right? so 84% approval rating among democrats. this whole idea that he shouldn't run and people should primary him is an absurd idea. if you challenged him, he'd kick your tail in a primary, because nobody coming in with 84 frs % approval rating loses re-election in the primary. if we're going to talk about the general election, look, i worked for obama in both of his campaigns. i think you can make the argument that biden actually
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enters re-election at a stronger position than obama did. i would actually acknowledge that he enters re-election in a stronger position than bill clinton or george bush did. why do you say that, cornell? i say that because this, if you look at the transformational pieces of legislation that he has been able to move that are astonishingly popular -- he's got more popular legislation already under his belt than i think the last three presidents had when you look at the popularity of the legislation. if you look at the economy, historic job growth right now and inflation coming under control. we have an economy that, quite frankly, most of the rest of the western world wish they had. you also have him standing on the world stage as a strong, steady leader, bringing back respectability to america and american leadership that we lost under trump, and you also have him adds a historic midterm, the best midterm we've seen in modern history.
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he absolutely enters re-election better positioned than the last three presidents who won re-election. >> but then, 53% of those democratic voters still say they'd rather see someone else. maybe, cornell, i don't want to speak for you. when you're inside the campaign, maybe it felt worse than it was from the outside. what do you make, tim, of what cornell just said? >> i think president biden has a lot of strengths. he surprised people in the midterms. i think there are a lot of people on the cable shows that said he couldn't do bipartisan accomplishments. he has bipartisan accomplishments. that part of cornell's argument is right. he has a good reason to run and a platform to run on. here's the thing. he's still in his 80s. you can't prevent the reality isn't true. at the bulwark we talk to swing voters, democratic primary voters. we hear the same things from them. they're worried ab joe biden's
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age. i think the democratic primary voters, some of that worry emanates fromming looking at the other side and be really scared of the threat and saying, look, joe biden has been doing a good job, done a good job so far. but boy, how is he going to look next summer, next fall? the campaign is rigorous. being president and running for president is very rigorous. he didn't have to do that during covid. i think there are legitimate concerns. i don't think anyone should or could successfully primary him. i think it's worth the biden inner circle to think about all these things and for the democratic party to think about their options i think is appropriate. >> a lot of people were worried about that when he was going into, as you well know, cornell, the state of the union. he got good reviews on the state of the union. then he goes off and he hits kyiv and he talks to the ally, and he looks very energetic and he's walking around with president zelenskyy.
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honestly, the optics of that week or week and a half was very positive for the president. there are things you can change. maybe the economy gets better. maybe people don't feel so scared about their grocery bill. lots of things could change between now and then. but what he can't change is that age, and i think he and trump are both going to have to contend with something that simply is, right? >> here is my rejoinder to that, chris. i think the conversation about his age is absolutely right. look, there are fair questions about a president's age. look, he's not in his 40s. that's fair. you're absolutely right. part of the main drawback, what people hesitate about, is this question about whether or not he's too old. look, as a campaign person, i'd rather have an issue of him, his personal stamina than the vast majority of voters saying, oh, i
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don't like what he's doing from a legislative standpoint, i don't like his policies, i don't think he has the right judgment or values. chris, that's not what they're saying. over the next couple months, and i think what we saw him on the world stage was important. over the next couple months, i think you'll see him and the vice president going all around the country, and for the campaign, for me their number one objective is, in fact, to show that the president has the vitality, strength and the vigor to get things done. i'd much rather have that as a problem in a campaign than to have a tanking economy and record unemployment. >> it's also why, to be honest, and we've only got 30 seconds, that most democrats will tell you that's exactly one of the main reasons they'd love to run against donald trump. many reasons, but that's just one of them. >> for sure. i guess count me on the list of, i'd rather not run against donald trump. i'd rather get rid of donald trump altogether. i do see where that's a
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temptation for democrats. >> tim miller, great to have you here. cornell, good to have you on the program as well. today, democratic congresswoman elissa slotkin says he's running to replace retiring michigan senator debbie stabenow. she served in the white houses of presidents of both parties, george w. bush and barack obama. while a few house colleagues have indicated they may have run for the seat, slotkin is not expected to be challenge bid two wig names, gretchen whitmer or transportation secretary pete buttigieg who moved to michigan. hazardous waste shipments resume today in ohio. voter vigilanteism, how so-called fraud hunters are disrupting elections. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. you're wg reports" only on msnbc
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two new shipments from ohio. cdc officials are on the ground to interview residents about their symptoms and their health concerns. nbc's george solis is in east palestine, ohio. george, what's the latest? >> reporter: yeah, good afternoon, chris. as you mentioned, the eta allowing norfolk southern to resume disposal of hazardous material. those sites in ohio are in east liverpool and vickery, ohio. as officials in michigan and texas raised alarms after they found out some of this toxic waste was being delivered to some of their locations, to e.p.a. approved sites. still, officials said this was unbeknownst to them and they were irate about that. the ohio e.p.a. is in the process of installing water monitoring to test for further ground contamination. we have word from norfolk southern, they are removing scrap metal from the site as their excavating soil from the
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tracks, as they get ready for track removal to assess the remediation or contamination that may have occurred at the site. residents upset about how all of this has unfolded. today you don't see it as much because of the weather. ordinarily, sidewalks are line up with free food and bottled water give away. this is three weeks after the derailment and after repeated claims from officials that the water and air is safe. it gives you a sense of the skepticism going on in town. i spoke with a resident telling me still she is feeling some of the effects of this derailment. take a listen to what she told me. >> we live 2 1/4 miles away from it, and we had eyes burning. i couldn't stop sneezing for half an hour. my mom's been still dealing with it, with migraine headaches and everything. >> reporter: ntsb is still investigating. we just got word that of the
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remaining 11 cars that were still on site, they have all been released to the rail company for presumably more disposal. we also know that federal officials are planning on holding daily press conferences to keep residents abreast of some of the developments in town. chris? >> george solis, thank you for that update. now that small town train derailment has erupted into a battle. "the washington post" reporter will join us in the next hour. early this morning, minutes before scheduled liftoff, nasa and spacex called off the cruise ship mission launch after kennedy space center after detecting an issue with the rocket's ground system. two u.s. astronauts, a russian cosmonaut and united arab emirates were on board ready to travel to the international space station. the next launch attempt is planned for wednesday. comic creator controversy, the latest on newspapers across the country dropping the famous
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story. >> reporter: at one point the comic dilbert appeared in 2,000 newspapers worldwide. now the company is cutting ties with creator scott adams after his comments that publications are denouncing as racist and discriminatory. >> hundreds of newspapers are stripping their pages of the widely syndicated comic dilbert, after this live stream by its creator scott adams. >> if nearly half of all blacks are not okay with white people, according to this poll, not according to me, according to this poll, that's a hate group. that's a hate group. >> adams referencing a recent poll during his you tube show wednesday and taking aim at black americans who disagreed with the statement it's okay to be white. a hate slogan used by white supremacists according to the antidefamation league. >> the best advice i would give to white people is to get the hell away from black people.
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>> his rant igniting furor on social media. the once popular comic dropped by a growing number of publications, including "the new york times" and "washington post," denouncing as racist, and promoting segregation. >> my reputation for the rest of my life is destroyed. >> adams doubling down on his comments again on sunday. >> including the cancellations. this was all predictable. and i knew it when i said it. and i was okay with it. >> reporter: the 65-year-old says the media took his words out of context, and he was only advising people to avoid hate. now, catching the attention of billionaire elon musk who tweeted the media is racist. >> are we sticking with our ban on useless greetings? >> yes. >> reporter: despite his highly successful comic that briefing reached tv screens, adams has been no stranger to controversy. the san francisco chronicle --
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darren bell says publications should now meet the moment. >> newspapers have an opportunity right now to show who they want to talk to in this country, and i hope they think long and hard and pick the right ones. >> adams says he'll likely lose most of his income in the wake of his comments that he continues to stand by. back to you. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports," let's get right to it. at this hour, the worst violence in the west bank in years is settlers on a rampage through a palestinian town. surprise visit, janet yellen is in ukraine to talk about economic health as russia's war enters its second year. extreme
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