tonight on "the read out". >> the best advice i would give to white people is to get the hell away from black people. just get the [ bleep ] away. wherever you have to go, just get away. >> the right wing panic over race and culture. nowhere is that in sharper focus than in florida, where ron desantis has had more success pushing authoritarianism than donald trump ever dreamed possible. plus, breaking news in the dominion voting systems lawsuit against fox news, including our first look at some of the sworn testimony from rupert murdoch on why he allowed his network to spread election lies. also tonight, senator elizabeth warren is here on how we are still living with the consequences of trump's judicial choices. from an imminent decision on

reproductive rights to student loan debt relief and beyond. and the water crisis in mississippi has echoes of 1890 post reconstruction with jackson's overwhelmingly black population being told by white state lawmakers we know what's best for you. we begin tonight with the super sized panic of the american right. post-obama backlash may have escalated the panic more than ten years ago. but then donald trump poured the freakout with gasoline. it was trump who unveiled the racism and misogyny that was always there, but threw it wide open, normi al always there, but threw it wide open, normiized racism. the post-trump age of open fascism. we saw open demonstrations of hate from whiteuse ing tiki torches to light up

charlottesville, to the attempted takeover of the capitol. people don't even feel bad about their anti-blackness these days. they are grossly kind of proud of it. case in point, dilbert, the widely syndicated comic strip about office culture that appeared in 2,000 newspapers around the world. its creator scott adams. frankly i had no idea who the guy was until he went on a racist rant on youtube last wednesday. >> i think it makes no sense whatsoever as a white citizen of america to try to help black citizens anymore. so i'm going to back off from being helpful to black america, because it doesn't seem like it pays off. if nearly half of all blacks are not okay with white people, according to this poll, not according to me, according to this poll, that's a hate group.

that's a hate group. and i don't want to have anything to do with them. >> how will black folk ever survive without you, whoever you are. there is a lot to unpack there. the unabashed anti-blackness and racism but also this country's long history of dubbing black people as the hateful violent ones while also exposing this weird offensive belief that white people need to get something out of helping others. again, what has this guy ever done for anyone that's black? anyway, hundreds of newspapers announced they would stop publishing dilbert after adams' tirade. also, that part the dilbert guy mentioned about a poll. he was talking about a poll by rasmussen reports that found 5 % of black americans agreed with the statement it's okay to be white. why would a poll even ask that? oh, because it's rasmussen, of course, the agenda driven conspiracy theory boosting

pollster who loves to stir the pot in the culture war. it's okay to be white has been named a hate slogan by the anti-defamation league. the poll also found 66% of black americans agreed black americans can be racist too. they surveyed a thousand people. how many black people said this? well, if they go by population, that would be 12. they surveyed 12 black people. in a move that surprised no one, twitter destroyed elon musk when he defended the dilbert creator saying it's actually the media that's racist against whites and asians. the story of a cartoon creator becoming the voice of the white male freakout ends with white grievance politics potentially becoming u.s. federal policy.

america will become the land of total government control. it would essentially be a more functionally authoritarian version of trump, a more action, less personality type of president who's basically offering two options. pre civil rights america. his team has you thinking quite the opposite. his new book titled "the courage to be free" has a firsthand account from the blue collar boy with the dream to take down disney and librarians. it got scorched by the "new york times" obviously. its reviewer saying all the culture war mad libs can't distract from the dull coldness at this book's core. it will leave some voters sorely disappointed. the world desantis is building

down in florida is one that uses the power of government to make the dilbert guys of the world feel comfortable, feel good about themselves. did you know this isn't even his first book? he also penned "dreams from our founding fathers" published in 2011. it pretty much sums up what we already know about the guy. the atlanta saying the most revealing and consequential element of the book is the insistence that the role of slavery and race does not seriously change anything about how we should understand the birth and development of our country. joining me now is the author of that article, history professor at the city university of new york and christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university. did i say your name correctly? >> yes. let me start by asking you about the first book that desantis wrote. he's written this new book, which i think the title is

hilarious. the first book was meant to be a response to "dreams from my father," barack obama's book. what did that book reveal about ron desantis's world view? >> well, for one thing, it reveals that he was quite certain that he was a similar figure to barack obama, rising from obscurity and not being well known to wanting to run for congress and being able to maybe do this by writing a book that made an important statement about what the current president got wrong and what he got right. similarly to president obama, desantis went to an ivy league school and then he went to

harvard law school. he felt he knew enough to have something to say about the founding fathers and its relevance for our politics. >> let me stop you right there. it's what he said. your piece is fascinating, pause because it's that he seemed to simultaneously believe that the founding fathers' prime directive was to protect the right of property, but he also believed that has nothing to do with slavery. the bottom line is these men wrote slavery into the constitution and wrote a system that fundamentally protected their property rights in slaves and in plantations, which is where they derived their wealth. these two things seem to be a complete contradiction. >> yes, they are. that's exactly it. the extremity by which he says that the only thing we need to know about the founding fathers

and the american revolution with respect to slavery is that they were really against it. they believed it was wrong and their idealism then later had fruits, so even though it was impossible to possibly end slavery at the time of the founding, that nevertheless the only thing you need to know is they really wanted to end. anything else we might want to say about the role of slavery in the 18th century or the 19th surgery is bashing the founding fathers to pursue what he would now call a woke agenda. >> christina, i want to bring you in. it explains a lot about desantis, about the way he taught high school and what his students said about him and his sort of sense of self-importance. this idea that the people who constructed the constitution constructed a system designed to

make themselves poor, designed to eventually rob them of the very thing that made them rich and they somehow had a secret plan that they didn't write in the constitution, that they didn't write in their letters, that they kept out of all written text, but somehow they had this secret plan and the only people who really know it are modern day americans like ron desantis, whose roots don't even go to them. ron desantis's people came here in the early 1900s. in the 20th century, he was from a disfavored group. his family was almost kept out because they were italian. the founding fathers didn't even include him in their vision of america. and yet he's like don't besmirch the founding fathers. angela davis has more ties to the pilgrims. he has known. yet, he's like don't besmirch the founding fathers.

>> we know he has ambitions much greater than florida. this is why we must take very seriously all his attacks not just on education and curriculum but his world view. his grandparents came here and didn't speak english. yet we still see how he treats refugees and migrants coming to the state of florida and shipping them all over the northeast in freezing conditions. we see what he's capable of. but his rewriting of history, his reimagining of these sort of good men. we cannot forget that george washington plucked out the teeth of his enslaved africans and put them in his mouth. we cannot forget none of these guys freed their enslaved africans once they died. we cannot forget about the rape and murder and trafficking of

not just individuals, but full on families and communities. the fact that ron desantis wants to erase all of that very concrete history that links black and white history together and as he sets his sights on a larger national picture in the united states, he wants to erase that entire narrative and make it just these sort of hard working white men, which he sees himself a part of, which he would not have been a part of that group. what's so dangerous and scary is he wants to be a part of that group, these men who created these institutional systems that we still see the vestiges of today in so many of our policies and practices in the united states, especially how they affect black communities. >> we talked about how italians were eventually inducted into the white space. eventually they were let in.

since secretly thomas jefferson really hated slavery, do you know how many slaves he actually freed during his lifetime? >> i don't know. >> none. >> right. if i had to guess. >> none. >> i would suggest your viewers really read the thomas jefferson "wolf by the ears" letter that he wrote to a friend. it's not about should we sort of abolish slavery because it's the right thing to do. he's making it an economic question. really it's like how will we continue to make money if we let all these people go? >> it's literal. literally he would have been bankrupting himself had he ended slavery, which is why in his will he said his wife could manumit the ones under her that were inherited and he did that

after he and she were both dead and they didn't even let them all go. the world view desantis is putting forth, he literally is sort of an old fashioned southern governor style. it's also this fixation on trans. that's also weaving throughout the party. is there something that ties in his anti-blackness narrative to this kind of obsession with fixing disney and taking the gay characters out of disney and making it magical in the ways he thinks it should be and getting rid of drag shows. is there anything that ties it together? >> there is. there's some notion in desantis that overlaps with trump's idea that there was this older america where you didn't have to deal with any of these things and nobody was gay or queer and black people weren't in public space and people didn't talk about things that they're now talking about and that that was

better and we can go back to this pristine time when supposedly the federal government didn't do anything that shaped the economy, it didn't interfere with anything that states were doing. there's this idea that it's a kind of hyper originalism where if you follow the text of the founding and read the federalist papers, you'll have all the answers. what's ridiculous about it is that it pretends that hamilton and madison and jefferson agreed with each other most of the time on what was important and laid this groundwork that was crystal clear about how we should run the government and how we should deal with problems that they may not have even ever imagined. >> luckily for ron desantis, his family got here just in time to take advantage of the new deal.

that's just history, which is illegal in your state. thank you both very much. up next, explosive new revelations from the dominion lawsuit against fox news shows just how chummy fox news was with the campaigns. shows just how chummy fox news was with the campaigns nexium 24hr prevents heartburn acid for twice as long as pepcid.

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. just released tonight is a new filing in the defamation lawsuit from dominion voting systems against fox news.

the filing provides clear insight into what the man at the top, rupert murdoch, really thought about the bs being spread on his network about donald trump's baseless claims that the election was stolen and why those conspiracy theories continued to be spread by the network to this very day, even when they all know it's a lie. he claims it's all about the business. when asked about giving a platform to election deniers like mike lindell, murdoch said the man is on every night, pays us a lot of money. murdoch confirmed he could tell them to stop running lindell's advertisement, but, quote, i'm not about to. he said, quote, it is not red or blue, it is green. he said he knew from the beginning when fox called arizona for biden, he didn't believe there was any fraud, but didn't want to further antagonize trump, because he had a very large following and they were probably viewers of fox, so

it would have been stupid. in fact, they almost did the right thing to try to set the record straight on the eve of january 6th's insurrection but remains quiet and only focused on their bottom line. the filing states on january 5th rupert discussed whether hannity carlson and ingra ham should say some version of the election is over and joe biden won. he hoped these words will go along way to stop the trump myth that the election was stolen. scott told rupert that privately they are all there, but quote, we need to be careful about using the show's and pissing off the viewers, so nobody made a statement. joining me is jessica levinson and katie phang. this makes it very clear that rupert murdoch never believed the election fraud theories but he made it clear he was about about the bottom line.

he was willing to let a supposed news outlet lie to viewers for money. does that in any way absolve him of the idea that it was defamation? >> no. if you're asking is there a business defense to defamation law, the answer is absolutely not. when i teach defamation and i talk about the first amendment, nowhere do i say but if you run a media corporation and it's good for business, then go ahead and peddle those lies. i wouldn't write an exam question like this. i wouldn't give them a hypothetical like this. i would make it a closer call. i wouldn't have the executives of fox and the host texting and saying we don't believe it, but we have to do it for business reasons. that is not a defense to defamation. in fact, it's really helping make dominion's case here. >> katie, you and i both work for this network. we have a standards and

practices department. we can't just get on tv, say something that we know absolutely to be false and put that on tv and say, you know, but it helps comcast make money so we're going to say it. we literally would be fired for that. you cannot do it. if standards says you can't, you can't. let me read a little bit of his deposition. question, you are aware now that fox did more than simply host these guests and give them a platform, correct? rupert murdoch, i think you've shown me material in support of that. question, in fact, you are now aware that fox endorsed the false notion of a stolen election? answer, no, not fox. maybe lou dobbs. jeanine pirro? i think so. lou dobbs? oh, a lot. sean hannity? a bit. all were in that document,

correct? yes, they were. about fox endorsing the narrative of a stolen election, correct? >> no, some of our commentators were endorsing it. he's literally saying only the people on our air were saying it, but not fox news. that doesn't sound like a defense either. >> it's definitely not. what's amazing about this is it's bad enough as a tv host if you put somebody on and give them a platform. that's actionable, meaning you can sue somebody for that and recover for that. there's also evidence that's come out of this case that rupert murdoch, lachlan murdoch, they had their hands meddling in the day-to-day operations. they weren't benevolent dictators that didn't know what was going on. the defamation and responsibility goes from top to bottom. that's a critical point, because no matter what rupert murdoch wants to do, he can't punt

liability or exposure just to his hosts and say they went rogue and did what they wanted to do and endorsed it, no. they gave them a platform and endorsed it. that's the problem. it's so glaringly obvious what the liability is going to be on the part of fox news. where it really kicks in the most is the damages in this case. dominion voting, we always talk about the $1.6 billion, but if you read towards the end of this 212-page filing, they're seeking punitive damages. in the state of new york, there is no cap to punitive damages. it's not just the 1.6 billion. it's $1.6 billion plus. another critical problem for fox news is the fact that summary judgment, meaning if the judge says there's no genuine issue of material fact that a jury needs to decide, that judge could find liability in favor of dominion and still have a trial on damages if there's a question

mark. >> by the way, this is what rupert murdoch asked what the consequences should be. he said they should be reprimanded, maybe got rid of. they have a media columnist there. his name is howard kurtz. here's what he said about what he's allowed to say about this. >> some of you have been asking why i'm not covering the dominion voting machines lawsuit against fox involving the unproven claims of election fraud in 2020. it's absolutely a fair question. i believe i should be covering it. it's a major media story given my role here at fox. the company has decided that as part of the organization being sued, i can't talk about it or write about it, at least for now. i strongly disagree with that decision, but as an employee i have to abide by it. >> that seems incriminating to me. they're saying don't talk about this on the air. he's their media con lum nis me.

>> the case is specifically dealing with things that already happened, not things that happened later in time. so i don't think it would affect the case itself or the damages. there could be potentially punitive damages here. the 1.6 billion, obviously it could change the way fox does business, but it won't put them in bankruptcy. if there really are punitive damages, then we're potentially talking about can they survive as a business. >> by the way, it is not as if 20 years ago when the florida election happened, there was lots of talk about people being very concerned about the machines, did they punch their card and it gave them bush when they meant gore. this came up when i was working at a local nbc affiliate. there is no way that nbc would have allowed us to go on the air and say, yeah, that might be

true, y'all. you couldn't do it. this same network is now getting exclusive access to one of the people who knowingly lied to his audience, tucker carlson. he's the only one that now gets access to all of this footage, 41,000 hours of january 6th footage that shows security information. this guy is russia's favorite host. it's dangerous. now you have many other networks including this network, associated press and others saying we want it too, give us to us. is there anyway that speaker mccarthy could keep it from the rest of the network if he's giving it to tucker? >> mccarthy kind of sidestepped all the security protocols that went into what the january 6th committee did to make sure there is a protective kind of cone of protection, frankly, around the disclosure of this security footage. from what we understand from what politico has reported, tucker carlson's team has gone to the capitol in order to be able to review it.

i don't think it's been provided to tucker carlson on a thumb drive or on the cloud. it should be good for the goose, good for the gander. it's clearly not happening here. we should be able to see it because we know tucker carlson is going to selectively edit it when he releases it. >> right. whatever he does is going to fit whatever narrative russia has on the whole thing. >> true. >> thank you both. still ahead, trump appointed judges are scrambling to turn back the clock on women's rights, civil rights and voting rights in america. senator elizabeth warren joins us when we come back. ica. senator elizabeth warren joins us when we come back

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joining me is democratic senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts. with this one judge's ruling, more than half of women who need this care would lose access to it. are you hopeful, are you worried? >> i'm very worried. i'm not worried because of the law. i'm worried about one extremist judge. as you know, a little over half of all abortions now are medication abortions with this drug called mifepristone. it's been out for over a decade, it's very, very safe. now we've got one judge down in texas. he thinks somehow he can override the fda on its scientific judgment about mifepristone. what we're all worried about is he's going to take it off the market. keep in mind, remember how a lot of us said back when dobbs came

down that they're going after abortion nationwide. so this is about taking mifepristone, access to medication abortion off the market everywhere, not just in states. it's blue states as well. it's everywhere. >> the thing that worries me most is we have a united states senate that's sane, but a house that is nonfunctional. even if congress could respond on the senate side to try to restore the access to the drug, the house is the house. what will happen? >> well, you have to remember the president is not without tools. there are things the president would be able to do here. there are things the fda would be able to do. it's so interesting. this is a moment when you really aren't looking to see everything that's available, things that were designed not for a situation like this, but can you pick them up and use them. for example, the fda has the ability to keep a drug on the market even if it is not a drug that has been approved.

that is letting this texas judge have his way on this if there is a drug application pending. or if we had a public health emergency, that might be a path for creating access to mifepristone. the real point here is to use every tool possible to keep access to abortion available to people all across this country. that's what we're going to do. >> let's go onto student loans. this is an issue that hits so many people close to home. 10 to $20,000 to somebody like rick scott is nothing. it's pocket change. but for a lot of people it's the difference between being able to afford a home or not or being able to start a business or not or just being able to breathe or not. how is it possible that we could have the same crowd that said we're not allowed to own our bodies say, you know what, those members that congress that got loans and got them forgiven, they can have it but you can't have it. >> big businesses. >> airlines.

>> remember when the banks got all that money? that was okay, but not individuals. notice on this one in particular it was okay when donald trump said he was going to cancel in the middle of the pandemic all of the interest for everybody, rich people, poor people, everybody in between. donald trump didn't say we're going to put off your interest payments. he said everybody across the board. how many republicans raised a hand and said i have a problem with it? >> i'm guessing none. >> that's right, zero, none. courts did not get involved. now what we've got is this program that would be so much help to so many people. 90% of the help would go to people who learn less than $75,000 a year. remember, 40% of those folks do not have a college diploma. this is an opportunity to help close the racial wealth gap in america. half of all latinos will see all

their debt wiped out with this. a third of all african-americans could see all their debt wiped out. it's something that would be so helpful to people. now we've got a supreme court at least threatening to step in and say, you know, i know this is what the statute says but they want to substitute their judgment for the judgment of elected officials in congress and an elected president. peddling the power to themselves to advance an extremist agenda they could never get through with elected officials. >> one of the most powerful parts of president biden's state of the union was when he talked about people are overcharged. what is the threat to the supreme court against the cfpd? >> the cfpd has saved ordinary consumers about $13 billion so far. who knows how much that they didn't get cheated on? this was money returned directly to consumers.

so what happened is, the payday lenders put out a new rule saying you've got to do a little better on disclosure. payday lenders have said i don't like the way cfpb is financed. they don't go to congress to get financed. they do this through fees. here's the thing. they do it through fees, exactly the same way the federal reserve bank does, exactly the same way that the office of the controller of the currency does, the same way the fdic does, the same way the overseer of the credit unions does. so in other words, all of our banking regulators have all been financed outside the appropriations process and that's been true since 1863 when the first banking regulator was put in place. the reason for that is deliberately to insulate them

from political influence. that's a decision congress made and has reaffirmed and made over and over since 1863. now we've got a supreme court that wants to put itself in a position of saying it is more important to protect payday lenders than it is to keep an agency up in the way that congress set it up so that it can protect tens of millions of consumers. >> we talk so much about the supreme court's religious fanaticism. we do not talk enough about how much they use their power to favor the super rich and to favor big business. i want you to come back because we need to dig more into that. they are protecting the super rich at the expense of regular folk. senator elizabeth warren, thank you. coming up next, mississippi becomes the epicenter of efforts to revive the jim crow era with legislative assaults on the rights of black residents. perfect. k residents. perfect. over. roger that.

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we came here to exclude the negro. nothing short of this will answer. oh and they did with devastating consequences that stretched far into the 20th century. enraged at the formerly enslaved voting mississippi installed a poll tax and literacy tests designed to exclude black voters that remained in place until 1965. the constitution adopted in 1890 by 133 white men put a nail in the coffin of reconstruction in mississippi and created the precedent for jim crow for the entire south. it is that history which informs why black citizens of mississippi's capital, jackson, are rightly furious about what white state lawmakers are trying to do now. after a super majority in the heavily gerrymandered state house voted to create an entirely separate court system and expand the police force within the city of jackson, the blackest city in america,

appointed completely by white state officials, meaning jackson voters will not get to elect judges or prosecutors. joining me now is the mayor of jackson, mississippi, and retired army lieutenant general russell honore. mr. mayor, i know you've been on with us before. what is the status of the vote on basically stealing jackson's autonomy? >> absolutely. thank you, joy, for having me again. to speak to this that we have grown to understand is being valuable. they have made some amendments to the bill. amendments that acknowledge that it is fraught with constitutional violations, but nonetheless it is still an

attack on black leadership not only on myself as the mayor of jackson but only black judges, black prosecutors and when asked to defend the reason why they believe these positions should be appointed rather than elected, and was the representative who introduced a bill that said well, we want to be certain that we get the best of the best. that to suggest that black people are not intelligent enough, aware enough of our needs to select the leadership that is accountable to our communities. we have seen this before. this is reminiscent of jim crow. this is jim crow two point oh. also we have seen a judicial system that is not accountable to our people. so we believe we have to fight this at all costs. >> you know general honoré, this reminds me of flint when the republican governor of michigan decided that flint which is also majority black city, 66.7% black was incapable

of running its own water system and that they could do it cheaper if he just took control, and they ended up poisoning them for 18 months, but putting flip one river water that had car sunk in it and the poison of. you also now have in jackson the water system that the all white leadership there in the legislature says also must be controlled by them. this is a trend, it does seem to be a trend. sir? >> absolutely. this is what -- looks like. operating inside of the daylight as a democracy, taking control in the sovereignty of the city of jackson which should be under control of the senior elected official, that's the way i was taught. that's the mayor in the city council and the people who put them in office. when i first heard this, it made me reflect on a song i heard when i was in high school

by nina simone. mississippi jeanne. i won't say the word out, but go back and listen to that song. how could we stoop so low in the 21st century to come in and take the sovereignty of a city, take over the water system, not only that, the mayor and the delegation, they want to take it over now. they also want to put in some stipulation that if you don't have a water meter you don't have to pay your bill. and there will be no estimating of water bills. all that will degradated out of money this coming to jackson to have a sustainable water system joy. the federal government has invested the congress has invested, the epa and the doj is there to help get the water system and how line. but all of a sudden, jim crow two point oh want to take it over now. and there was a time when who get the contracts. the city won't have any say. and then they went one step

further. they wanted to charge the city of jackson, if there's any leaks in the rents water system, with cities how stream could charge up to $400 million a year. that would break the city! this is what happens when people have absolute control that they don't respect the citizens of jack and, jackson and they don't represent all of the politics at home. this is taxation without representation. >> it is. i'm glad that i have both of you gentlemen on here tonight mister mayor because louisiana, mississippi we knew you general honoré from louisiana. to the richest states in the union, if not before the civil war because they had free labor for 200 years that made people extremely rich. people like marvin green want to have a separation of the country. well, the red part of the south became the poorest part of the

south after separation because they were deprived that free labor. so that's how wet the first time. but it strikes me mayor lumumba, is what they want is apartheid, because they don't believe that black people should govern themselves or be a majority and be in charge of a city like jackson, which is the capital. i can't describe it is anything but apartheid but how would you describe it? >> well, that's the phrase that i have used. i think that it accurately portrays what is taking place. i've also used the phrase that it is plantation politics at its finest, and i think general honoré who won, is being very humble in terms of the effort to get the resources when it pertains to water. normally we have seen that is his part and parcel of a larger effort through many legislative bills that have been introduced in mississippi. we are seeing similar things in places like missouri. speaking with my sister mayor,

miss johns, we're seeing that there >> indeed. and in any place that is a majority black or rule by black, folk at the trend. don't think it's coincidental. jackson mayor and retired general. all in with chris says is up next after the short break. the short break parodontax toothpaste... ...is 3x more effective at removing plaque bacteria, one of the main causes of bleeding gums. parodontax. the gum experts. ♪♪ no. ♪♪ -no. -nuh-uh. ♪♪ yeah. oh. yes. ♪♪ oh yeah. yes. isn't this great? yeeaahhhh!! ♪♪ yeah, i could do a cartwheel in here. oh hey!

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