right now on "andrea mitchell reports," the student debt showdown makes its way to the supreme court. the justices hearing about the loan forgiveness that could affect 40 million americans. top congressional intelligence leaders from both

parties today finally getting a briefing on the classified documents found at the homes and offices of president biden, former president trump, former vice president pence. will they get the details they have been demanding on what secrets may have been exposed? the latest on rupert murdoch. a live report from kier simmons in crimea. >> many civilians will be caught in the middle. 2.4 million people live here. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington where supreme court justices have been hearing arguments on two separate challenges to president biden's

student loan forgiveness plan. the 26 million americans have applied for it. putting at risk a program potentially available for 40 million people. the program blocked late last year by a circuit court of appeals and a federal judge, would provide up to $20,000 in debt relief for borrowers earning less than $125,000 a year. at issue, whether the states have standing to appeal as well as the larger constitutional question of whether the president can order the loans forgiven without an act of congress. joining me now, nbc washington correspondent yamiche alcindor outside the court, eugene daniels, and former u.s. attorney harry lipman, who was a supreme court clerk. harry, i want to play notable remarks from justice jackson in the last hour on who would have standing to sue on this case. let's listen. >> what i've been mulling and wondering is whether the same

concerns about the political significance of this case that the chief pointed to could be a reason for us to hold the line in terms of thinking about our standing doctrine and whether or not we should expand it in this area. if we look at our standing doctrine in cases like this, we find that even the most minor state interest, a dormant fund that hasn't been used by the state in 15 years, if that can be the basis for standing, i guess i'm concerned that we're going to have a problem in terms of the federal government's ability to operate. >> harry, what are your takea takeaways? >> so, that was an elegant line of questioning. i have to put it in context. two basic issues in the first argument, where six republican attorneys general have sued.

they are saying, this is a really major issue, so congress needs to have been more explicit. the progressives and justice kagan said they were explicit. the major questions doctrine which you are using here is very amorphous. it looks as if enough members of the court will embrace that. it will come down to standing. standing means the people who are suing have to show they have been injured. the six states have not been injured here. the only injury is that an education agency in missouri says the state of missouri says that agency will be hurt. the agency is an independent entity that decided not to sue. that's why justice jackson's question was to the point. she was saying, you are talking about the major questions doctrine. that means separation of powers respecting congress. but standing, which conservatives -- it's a hobbyhorse issue for them.

that's about separation of powers. if we get a little loosy goosy here and let missouri represent a whole different party not before the court, that would have the same weakening affect on our standing doctrine, which goes right to the heart of what conservatives have been saying for years. it does look to me as if this case is going to come down to standing, and that the progressives will fight -- will hope to get one or two votes saying the states don't have any right to be here because they are not injured by the program that says individual loan forgiveness up to $400 million is authorized because of the covid emergency. >> let me just clarify. if the standing issue -- if they do pick up one or two from the more conservative wing of the court and say that they don't have standing to sue, then the larger question in which the conservatives might have supported is moot, they wouldn't

reach that question? >> exactly. >> yamiche, that would mean the program would stand. you have been with the protesters outside the court today. they are holding some of the national $1.6 trillion in student loan debt. how much frustration are they feeling as this is all playing out? >> andrea, we have seen a robust crowd gather here outside the supreme court. i'm here most every week when there are arguments. this is one of the biggest crowds i have seen. you see people with hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loan debt saying, this not fair. america is not doing right by its students. college needs to be more affordable. this program is really a gateway into making sure that people can live the american dream. i have talked to a number of students who say this is critical that this program go forward. according to the white house data, this would impact more than 40 million borrows. that's on top of the 26 million borrowers that have applied. a number of people would be

hugely impacted by this if the supreme court were to say this program can stand. we have talked to some people who are against this. they say it's illegal. they say this is executive overreach. they are going after president biden saying he wants to use this to be -- to fulfill a campaign promise. in fact, it's not the right way to do it, he didn't follow the proper procedures. when you come to people outside the supreme court, they aren't buying those arguments. people have been camping out here. some people here 12, 13 hours. some people are hoping they can have their voice heard even as oral arguments are going on. hoping the justices can listen to their chant. it's in some ways an interesting argument and a case that so many people around the country and here outside the supreme court are watching. >> indeed they are. eugene daniels here with me. let's talk about the politics of this. there's also the politics of people who say, i didn't have the money to go to college. i fought my way in my career.

why should these students get loan forgiveness? that's a point of view. it does divide the country. >> it does. that's something this white house has heard. it's one of the reasons why they are trying to figure out what is the legal avenue they feel like is legal to do this. white house and what president biden has said, this is an issue of equity. talking about how this affects so many black people and pulling them out of poverty. that's a very important key constituency. the white house feels good. they feel good like was said about standing. they feel like they don't have standing in the case. i was talking to folks familiar with their thinking yesterday. they said exclamation points to me when saying that their opponents don't have standing in the case. i will say the thing that's fascinating is if this does do -- if the biden administration is not victorious here, there's going to be a lot more pressure on them to do something. right? i talked to one student loan forgiveness advocate who said, if they send $40 million checks

to feed people at the end of a few months, the name on that check is going to be joe biden. they will have to make tough decisions, this white house. what's plan b and c? the white house has been reticent to say what their plan b and c is. but they have to have one of those conversations. >> yamiche, when you were covering the campaign with joe biden, this was during the primaries, a big issue with elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. joe biden finally signed on to it, but not even as much as some of the progressives wanted. >> that's right. this was a really politically fraught issue for joe biden. i remember being in meetings and at campaign events where people were asking, are you going to take care of student loan forgiveness, make sure people can afford college? once he was elected, there was pressure to say, where is this program for student loan relief? where is this program where you say you were going to take care

of college students? that's how we got to this point. you remember, we have to point out, there are republican hopefuls, i'm thinking of ron desantis, tim scott, i was in iowa with him where they were raling against this. you have joe biden trying to keep a political promise he made, but you have republicans on the other side beating him up on this and hoping for a win here for their side. >> yamiche alcindor in the middle of it all, eugene daniels, thanks so much and harry lipman, as you continue to listen to the arguments. let's hear more from today's oral arguments. here is another excerpt. >> drawing a distinction between benefits programs and other programs seems to presume when it comes to the administration of benefits programs, a trillion dollars here and a trillion dollars there doesn't make that much difference to congress. that doesn't seem very sensible.

looking at this question, is this the sort of thing that congress is likely to address expressly or through a contestable interpretation of some statutory language? >> of course, we think congress did address this expressly here, and congress directed that in the context of a national emergency, that is the limitation of the heroes act, the secretary can't invoke this whenever he wants, there has to be that predicate. >> joining me now is randy winegarden, president of the american federation of teachers and co-sponsor of the student debt loan relief rally outside the supreme court today. i think you filed a brief in this case. how does this affect students and more, importantly, your constituency, teachers, many of whom carry a lot of loans? >> you know, about six or seven

years ago, we -- we polled about student debt. what we saw was people feeling so burdened. they are doing all the right things. they went to college. we tell everybody to go to college. maybe we shouldn't be doing that. but they went to college. all of a sudden, they make one mistake, there's one sent overpayment, they get into deferment. they can't pay their debt for a month, they get into deferment. what's happened now is that when you say 43 million people can get some relief here, it's people who have done everything right and something tripped them up or they just really can't afford this right now because of the huge escalating costs of college and then on top of it, we had covid. i think that what's happened in

our -- what we see with students all the time and with our own members, there's hundreds and thousands of student debt payments due, even if somebody took out $40,000, they may $100,000 or $150,000 because of this other stuff that has happened. people need the relief. as the loan moratorium or the student debt moratorium is lifted, remember, a moratorium that donald trump put into affect, as that is lifted, this was supposed to go into affect to actually give people a little bit of relief as they were starting to pay their student loans back. everything else about covid, that small businesses got, big businesses got, the states didn't sue. why are they suing about individuals who really need it? >> you see this as a political

issue? >> i see it as a moral issue. the republicans are making it -- the states are making it a political issue. when all of a sudden did college not become something we wanted kids to do? it's been a huge spiral -- it's been a huge escalation of costs for college. college costs a lot more today than when you went or when i went. >> absolutely. >> consequently, what this relief is, it's not cancellation totally. it's relief as we go into the lifting of the student debt moratorium. >> let me play devil's advocate. what do you say to the people who could not afford college or didn't want to go, didn't have the opportunity, had to support families and paid their own way and aren't getting the same kind of relief? >> what i would say to them, like -- look, i paid all my student debt. i would say to them that the

time right now is different. what we're trying to do is lift everyone. as we're trying to create new pathways to opportunities for career, look what's happening with the c.h.i.p.s. bill. we are creating opportunities for others. let's try to find ways that we lift all boats. >> thank you very much. it's good to see you. top secret, congressional intelligence leaders get a briefing today on the classified documents found in the hopes of donald trump, joe biden and mike pence. are they going to get access to the real intelligence? you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. ea mitchell reports" on msnbc so it's decided, we'll park even deeper into parking spaces so people think they're open. surprise. [ laughs ] [ horn honks, muffled talking ] -can't hear you, jerry. -sorry. uh, yeah, can we get a system where when someone's bike is in the shop, then we could borrow someone else's? -no! -no! or you can get a quote with america's number-one motorcycle insurer and maybe save some money while you're at it.

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representatives from the justice department and director of national intelligence will go behind closed doors with the gang of eight, the heads of the committees and the ranking members. the question is, how much access will the members get to the documents that they consider key evidence in the ongoing doj investigations? here with us now, nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali and washington borough chief susan page. what do they hope to get today? they want to see the documents, right? ali? >> reporter: that's right. they have been asking for this for a year effectively, since the news of documents being found at mar-a-lago was broken. now they are going to get at least their first taste of what that document sharing could look like, what senator rubio has said and others is that today they don't expect to actually see the documents. instead, it's probably a meeting that will outline the procedures by which they will get to see the documents. rubio has likened this in some

ways to a teaser or an appetizer, which he says he is fine with, as long as the process is effective enough to get them the information that they need. remember what they are asking for here is a sense of a damage assessment. what was in the documents that were found at trump, at biden, at pence's homes and offices in the aftermath of taking those classified documents out of the chain of order they were supposed to be in this time. they are trying to get a sense of what those documents actually were. again, this has been a long time coming. this is probably the first of several briefings like this. at least now the process is finally starting. that's something that a lot of the lawmakers are happy about after asking for a while. >> susan, they have been pushing for this so long since the fbi first raided mar-a-lago in august. explain why it's taking so long. >> it has taken a long time. there's an investigation into how the documents came to be taken. that could result in criminal investigation. we have two special counsels

appointed to look at the treatment of documents. it's amazing after all this time, even the members of congress who have high level security clearances, have no idea the extent to which national security might have been compromised, most especially by former president trump, who had the most documents and was the most resistant about giving them back. we don't know what they were. we don't know how securely they were kept when he had them in his possession. these are critical questions for the gang of eight to be looking at. >> ali, it was clear -- you have mark warner and marco rubio, the two leaders on the senate side together on this. this is unanimity. they need to know what compromised -- what secrets might have been compromised. they need to understand for legislative reasons what fixes have to be made. they are not seeing what they want to see. >> reporter: yeah. it was bipartisan in nature even before news of biden's documents

became public as well, andrea. it's a sign that as much as that committee especially on the senate side on the intel committee has tried to take the politics out of it, which is so notable in a congress that has become so hyperpoliticized on just about everything, it's notable they would be marching in lockstep on this. after news of the biden and pence documents became public. that intelligence committee on the senate side, democrats and republicans alike, were marching in lockstep saying they needed more information from the administration on this, consistently pressing the director of national intelligence and others for more. this is the culmination of those efforts, at least the first piece of it. you know as soon as they come out of this briefing, there's going to be conversation about what the process looks like and just how quickly they will be able to get this information that they have been claim ercla for for months and now getting a taste of. >> i want to ask both of you about the china hearings.

this is mike gallagher's committee. he is a respected republican, former marine. he is leading this first hearing in primetime. that is a committee trying to be bipartisan. you have bipartisan anger at china right now in an effort to want to look at more as to what china is doing. are they threatening or considering, i should say, arming russia against ukraine? wuhan is mixed into this. susan? >> it's amazing. we have a country and a capital that's divided along part son -- partisan lines but not on these issues. national security concerns about the spy balloon that was shot down from the sky. this is -- it's rare to find things on which republicans and

democrats agree. they agree on some of the economic issues. we will see a united front in primetime tonight at this first of the hearings by the special committee. >> ali, it's no accident that they will be in the hearing where the january 6 hearings were held, at least two of them. to do a primetime hearing on china, this is a play for the public. >> reporter: it's also as you were saying, a mark of rare bipartisanship. i was talking to chairman gallagher this morning about the ways that he is going to try to use this committee. it's clear that he wants this to be a conversation not just about china isolated unto itself but the larger geopolitical ramifications of the rise of china. especially in relation to places like ukraine and russia. >> it's a big question they are taking up. a major topic.

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rupert murdoch admitted under only that some fox news hosts endorsed election lies and he chose not to stop them. in court filings just unsealed, murdoch argued that they were reporting the news and defended his business decision saying, it's not red or blue, it's green. a trial is set to begin april 17th. joining me now is jane tim. what stands out to you? >> it's really stunning. it reveals what's happening behind the scenes of the conservative movement broadly with this incredibly powerful

executive and what he was saying behind the scenes. dominion's attorneys are arguing that from the top on down, the ratings obsessed fox news executives sought to put these baseless conspiracy theories and the lawyers who advanced them on the air to appease their viewers who they thought were abandoning them after they called arizona for joe biden, after the president refused to accept that he had lost the election, murdoch's deposition offers -- he says he was trying to straddle the line between spewing conspiracy theories yet calling out the fact that they are false on the other. dominion is making the argument that they didn't fact check nearly at all. i think he goes on to say in the same page that he -- he knew his hosts were endorsing it.

he said he knew he could take these people off the air. i could have but i didn't. they tell me that might be the money quote in this filing. it's important to say that fox news argues that dominion is trying to make headlines. dominion says the first amendment does not extent to putting false claims on the air. >> this is a fascinating case. it pulls back the curtain. thank you so much, jane. coming up next, an nbc news exclusive. a look inside crimea. kier simmons shows us what vladimir putin is determined to hold on to. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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ukraine and russia. one whose control is in the middle of both countries after it was annexed by moscow in 2014. kier simmons and his team were the first to enter crimea since the invasion began getting a rare inside look at life inside the contested territory. >> reporter: president putin's warplanes targeting the towns. again, calling for western combat aircraft. the objective is taking back crimea. in october, an explosion rocked president putin's prized bridge to the peninsula. putin blamed ukraine's special services. kyiv never admitted responsibility. we crossed in via train across ukraine's internationally recognized border. this is where that explosion hit this bridge last october at

around this time in the morning. the bridge was fully reopened just last week. inside, the territory is full of russian soldiers. if ukraine plans to take it back, many civilians will be caught in the middle, 2.4 million people live here. large numbers support russia. is crimea russian or ukrainian? >> russian. >> reporter: of course russian, forever, this 73-year-old tells me. there's a sign for a bomb shelter. so what she says. if it's needed, we will just go to a bomb shelter. if we don't defend our motherland, we will become slaves this man says. the streets are lined with propaganda. the west doesn't need russia. we need russia. the u.n. has accused russia of many human rights abuses.

this woman tells us all mothers, both russian and ukrainian, weep for their children. i can't speak about it without tears, she says. >> joining me now is nbc news chief international correspondent kier simmons from crimea. president zelenskyy vowed on sunday to take back crimea. how realistic is that? the people there who you spoke to view themselves as russian. >> reporter: that's right. from those people we spoke to, it seemed unrealistic. i want to show you picture we filmed yesterday. this is the closest that any u.s. news crew has got to the russian black sea fleet in many, many years. what you are seeing are president putin's ships at that port. why it's important is because

vladimir putin will be determined to defend that port, to not have it taken away from him. he may well do pretty much anything to try to achieve that. the reason why is because it is so strategically important to russia. here is the irony. since he launched that invasion a year ago in ukraine, ukrainians now will be determined not to have the black sea fleet there potentially threatening their coast for years to come. it is a very, very dangerous standoff that suggests that this could pan out for some time to come. it's hard to see how you reach a negotiation over that. i have to tell you, there was military everywhere, absolutely everywhere. it's a military town. again, when, for example, victoria newland talks about we want crimea to be demilitarized, i find myself wondering how on earth does that happen. >> kier, we keep hearing that

crimea is exactly what nato and the u.s. fear zelenskyy will try to go into with long-range weapons, maybe even with the f-16s, if he were to get them, which i don't think he will. not in the near term. they are worried that's a tripwire for vladimir putin. what is your take on that? >> reporter: that's right, they are worried about that. we are standing in the place that has jake sullivan worried. the reason why is because the idea that nato weapons might land on this place and potentially kill russian civilians and that would be an escalation. by the way, this is an enormous general. general milley made this clear. this is an enormous challenge for the ukrainians. a look at that bridge behind me there. that's how we traveled into crimea. it's open now. it's one of only two ways to get

here. the other is a land bridge over to the northwest of here that's very, very much exposed. with land forces, how do you take crimea if you are the ukrainians? that's why general milley thinks it will be difficult for the ukrainians to push the russians out of here. we have seen substantial defenses around this bridge behind me that is president putin's pride and joy, andrea. that's not surprising. as we saw in my piece, when we also know that the ukrainians have wanted or at least they haven't admitted it but it seems likely it was the ukrainians, they wanted to target the bridge behind me. again, if you take down that bridge, how do civilians leave? these are very, very difficult questions if we get to the point where crimea is an objective that the ukraiians

realistically can look at militarily. >> your reporting is amazing. last week in georgia showing how sanctions were being evaded. i'm still talking about that piece. here you are in crimea. thank you so much. >> reporter: thank you. joining us now is sabrina sadiki and kevin baron, the executive editor of "defense one." sabrina, i have to call you out. i haven't seen you since your extraordinary reports. as we know, sabrina was the only journalist on that small plane secretly flying with the president into kyiv and all of your reporting was just amazing. we relied on it. they were brilliant reports. >> thank you so much. >> i wanted to ask you about the role of crimea and zelenskyy

saying, again, that they have ambitions for that. this is a negotiating position, perhaps. it's just untenable if it is russian speaking, russian populated place that vladimir putin is determined to hold. >> yes. i think that that gets to the heart of why it's going to be so difficult to see any kind of negotiated settlement here. both sides are preparing for a major springtime offensive. there's a hope among some leaders in europe, you have seen french president macron and the german chancellor call for a negotiated settlement. it's not clear what the end game looks like. we see that vladimir putin is showing no signs of relenting in this war of conquest. the big question now after this historic visit that president biden made to kyiv, to the capital city, is where do we go from here beyond just providing

arms, ammunition and assistance to the ukrainians? what is the way out? do we -- the war is now entering its second year. how do you keep public support for continuing to provide that assistance? what is really going to change the landscape on the battlefield? i think those are some of the key questions moving forward. as you point out, when you look at president zelenskyy and what his hope is, it's really unclear that you could see any kind of negotiated settlement moving forward, and certainly the desire for everyone is not to prolong this any further. to see what the end game looks like. >> kevin, you were in munich as well. where do you come down on all of the attempts to deterin into th with weapons, potentially? secretary blinken they are seriously considering it and warning them against doing it. you were there in munich. vice president harris saying that as well to me. you saw the comments, jake

sullivan after -- is this just a bluff? >> i think it's important to give credit to the administration for doing -- sabrina and i were talking for what they have done the whole war. come out with the intelligence early and often. we see you. we see you are talking about it and don't. don't take that for granted that the united states is putting out intelligence to let the chinese know we are watching them. i think it's a long way off. i listened to what the cia director said. the crimea question, it was really fascinating to see kie kier show the geography. it's so different from what we have seen. what would it really take for the ukrainians to actually take crimea if they have to? it's not that land bridge or the other bridge he was pointing to. it's the water. it's a full-scale amphibious invasion. it's a full-scale normandy invasion that ukrainians don't

have the forces or training or experience to do. short of that, the crimea question is probably the tenth question down the line of how do you stop the fighting, how do you stop the war? are the ukrainians willing to entertain that before the russians are when by now we are -- we are at the river still. we are deciding -- someone will have to decide whether the ukrainians will be given the equipment to fight for any more territory much less for crimea. >> does it get down to the fact that there's going to have to be some sort of a nato security umbrella, perhaps what has been proposed by germany and france in broad terms this week? they are going to have to agree putin keeps crimea and nobody wants to say this but zelenskyy doesn't get it back because it's so hard to gain and hold. >> yes. some kind of international security force. there are ambassadors pitching

this in the early days thinking it could be under the u.n., nato, any auspices. doing so, it enters into the scenario nato has been trying to avoid which is being the opposing force directly to the russians. if nato is signing a security guarantee, it's short of article 5, if what happens -- if the russians launch a missile or something goes wrong, that puts them in direct conflict with each other. suddenly, there are security guarantees that have to be honored and fulfilled. then they are in a direct war. >> tony blinken keeps saying a durable peace. >> the biden administration has been reluctant to spell out what security guarantees for ukraine would look like in part because of the point kevin raises. they are willing to provide arms and ammunition and perhaps come to some international agreement on what that looks like. they want to stop short of anything that would trigger

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enforcement information was taken, but they said they were able to segregate that system. there wasn't further damage. they were able to continue to do their jobs and now they're investigating how it happened. >> they wouldn't have told anybody about it if nbc didn't uncover it? >> they didn't do it until we asked. >> well, also in your basket of activities, is this crowd strike report which says arguably that china's hacking, ransomware and all the rest, that kind of cybersurveillance is the biggest thing that they do more than the balloon although the balloon went right over our missile sites. >> it's not as impactful as this daily barrage of chinese cyberespionage and that's what it underscored. they just said it's worse than ever. china is hacking multiple industries on every continent including the american economy, they do what we do which is they hack for espionage but hack

american companies to steal trade secrets. there doesn't appear to be a way to stop it. it continues. >> they've been doing it for decades that i've been covering. >> yeah. >> and successive directors have said this is our biggest challenge and still don't know how to defend. >> when president obama had an understanding with president xi it would stop and was reduced for a couple of years but it's right back where it was is what the experts say. >> that brings me to tiktok, of course, a chinese created, no such thing as a chinese private company and now the federal government, the administration has banned it from devices going forward. >> that's right. >> there's a bill moving through the house today that would empower president biden to ban it entirely. my children who have it on their phones would object to that, but i think that would give the u.s.

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