good to be with you. we are about to see the president out on the road today working to convince americans he is making their lives better. better jobs. more childcare. affordable healthcare. he is in virginia beach trying to remind voters in that swing congressional district that the districts have their back, but broadly speaking is that he's a blue collar president for blue collar americans. the one the democratic party hemorrhaged in 2016 to donald trump. while president biden has made some of those gains back, a new report by the non-profit american family voices is warning the party and president they are on wobbly ground. we're going to explain what this group of democratic strategists are worried about for 2024 and that right there is not the only tough news. the supreme court is hearing arguments right this moment on president biden's executive order to relieve more than 400

billion in student debts. they have a reporter inside the court with what the justices are asking and what it means for one of the president's marquee promises. first, let's go to virginia beach where we find mike memoli and alongside him in another part of the world is parker at "the washington post." ashley is an msnbc political analyst. mike, i know the president's about to start, but part of this is trying to sell to the american public and voters there in virginia beach that the democrats again have their back. the democrats are the ones making their lives better. >> that's right. the president's being introduced on time, which we know is not always the case from the president. what we've seen from him since the state of the union is an effort here to speak to the important constituencies that are going to be critical ahead of the 2024 campaign. the day after the state of the union address, he was speaking

before union workers in weather wii then to seniors in florida. today, this is a middle class focus audience here in a swing district. this was a congressional district president biden won in the 2020 election but that republicans won in the midterm elections in 2022. actually the democratic congresswoman is in the audience and really what the president has been trying to do is speak squarely about what is going to be the biggest policy clash in washington this year. that is of course over the debt ceiling and he's going to be going after republicans on what their proposed budget would do to healthcare savings for the american people. our viewers may be saying wait a minute, republicans haven't released their proposal just yet and that's the point. the president here is having to put forward a budget. he's planning to release it next week. he's going to be taking a look at what republicans have put forward. what they voted on in past congress'. or more recently, what the

former trump budget director who is reportedly advising congressional republicans about what their strategy should be in this debt ceiling fight, what they're putting on the table. the president's going to say that would mean $2 trillion in cuts to medicaid, which is a program so many americans depend on for healthcare costs. $600 billion in cuts to the affordable care act. millions could lose their insurance. that was a message democrats took into the midterm elections in 2018 when republicans had control of the house. now president biden looking ahead to 2024 is trying to put a focus on healthcare costs yet again right now. >> you see healthcare costs at memoli is talking about over there. ashley, he's also out today with an announcement about affordable childcare, making that a part of the chips act. we know the companies that want that money have to provide affordable childcare. again, part of the messaging to the working class americans that democrats are the ones making their lives better, but there's

a report out from democratic strategists who say that message is not being sold hard enough. democrats aren't going a good enough job reminding americans of all they've done and how it has affected individual lives. how it's made their lives better. so ashley, how does the white house, how do democrats, how do they feel about this report and i guess what does it mean for the next couple of years? >> that's the challenge and before this report came out, that the biden white house and democrats had been grappling with as early as the first year of his presidency. there are lots of positive macro economic indicators. there were some people at the white house who wanted biden to go out and tout those. but what he was grappling with is how do you strike a balance of for instance certain things in the economy may be getting better, but on a level of normal

every day voters or americaning feel. again, going to the store. the cost of eggs, milk, of bread the same. maybe looking to buy a house and a mortgage no longer feels affordable. can you afford childcare for your kid to allow you to go back to work? those indicators were lagging. so he kind of had to hit this balance of we've passed all thi yet i understand you still may be struggling. >> while working class folks find urban and intellectual wokism which republicans have been hitting hard, economic issues are driving the problems far more than the culture war. the culture war is a big part of what i hear from republicans when they're out campaigning. it's certainly a big part of what ron desantis is talking about when he's on the road even though he's not feshlly running for president.

seems like he is. so do the democrats have an advantage with that? or is it the republicans that have an advantage if they started going after the economy more? explain that to me. >> wokism and i just did a story on this, is a fascinating word and phrase in ideology bubbling up in republican circles in the still nascent 2024 republican primary race where this is the key issue for all republicans. decrying democrats as too woke and dealing with issues they view as being woke such as for instance teaching critical race theory or transgender bathrooms. while this may be effective in pushing one republican primary candidate over another, i've been talking to republicans this week who worry about just what that report states. which is it's a great issue for republican base voters, which you need to win a primary, but most voters even republican

voters, and more independent and moderate republican voters, they don't know what it means. they don't really care and if they only have a message to republicans about wokism, it's not going to be very effective in winning over those independent moderate voters you need to win a general election. >> let's bring in yamiche to this conversation. she's at the supreme court. i know we have another one of our reporters inside. this is an argument about the president's plan to relieve a ton of student debt. which was pushed back on by a bunch of states saying this is not fair to the states. we're going to lose money on this. how are the justices responding to the arguments? >> well, this is a consequential case and when you talk about a big impact on it, it's going to be possibly $400 billion worth of student loan debt that could be forgiven. now, president biden, he created this program in august of 2022 partly to build a campaign

promise as something he had talked about on the trial when he was running. today in front of the justices, you had the biden administration running that they have the power to forgive the debt because we're in a national emergency, the pandemic. you had six states arguing the opposite saying he had executive overreach and did not have the power to do this and should have consulted congress before he created this program. you have two student borrowers who are saying the program hasn't brought enough. that is department justice v. brown. a lot of issues at stake. when i listen to the oral arguments, he had conservative justices really asking a lot of questions about whether president biden could do this. you did have some liberal justices questioning the standing, meaning the people who are suing, whether they have the standing to bring this case before the supreme court. people say if this case goes the biden administration way, it might go on the fact there's not enough standing. the conservative majority court, there are a lot of people

worried the program is going to end up being canceled and not able to go forward. >> ashley, this is one of the marquee promises of the biden team. they wanted to say listen, this is something that elizabeth warren was proposing. we heard you, young americans saying this is overburdening them. the pandemic made it worse. and they said hey, listen, we can do this. if the supreme court takes it away, how much does that hurt the president's ability to say listen, i'm helping you? >> well, again, this gets to what we were discussing earlier in your show, which is that it's not necessarily that voters would blame president biden for a supreme court not allowing him to do something he made clear was a priority and he wanted to do. but at the end of the day, student loan forgiveness is one of those tangible things that democrats and voters actually feel. if you're not, if you like i did until recently and many americans have to pay off student debt every single month

and suddenly you don't, that's a real pocketbook savings. and if that goes away, that's another way in which democrats will have a tougher time. president biden will have a tougher time selling his message that the economy is improving in a way that you actually feel in your daily life. >> it's got to be frustrating for the white house because when you look at the jobs numbers, the unemployment number is historically low. wages are going up. you keep hearing talk conversations about an incoming, on coming recession. it's coming. it's coming. we have still not hit that mark. the economy is still working. yet to be told americans aren't hearing it, to be told that americans aren't hearing it got to be frustrating. >> it is. and the white house is often pointing to data points to say the economy is getting better.

today i was talking to a number of students who say life is hard for them. sometimes hundreds of thousands of student loan debt going into jobs that aren't allowing them to pay those in a way they feel isn't effective. this gets to the heart of whether you can live the american dream. not just survive, but thrive in this country. it's a frustrating situation for the white house because while president biden isn't going to be blamed for the idea he tried to forgive student loan debt and failed, there's going to be questions about why when democrats had control of the congress and of course the senate and the house and all these different power including the presidency, why didn't they do more? because this is an issue that president biden heard about a number of times before august of 2022 when he decided to create this student loan debt relief program. >> the president right now is thinking a lot of folks in virginia beach. we're going to keep an eye on him out there and go there when warranted. still ahead, thank you very much. still ahead, what do tiktok

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jake ward, covers technology for us. also is capitol hill correspondent, garrett haake as well. gentlemen, thank you very much. jake, so glad you made it. >> sorry to breeze in here. >> it's okay. you were great. i know there are security concerns and garrett's going to get into what capitol hill is doing and washington regarding tiktok and china, but what keeps on sticking with me and what makes me nervous about our future is the way this act has captured people's attention. the zombification with this app, especially with kids. and the way the app is different here in america versus what it looks like in china. can you explain that? >> it's interesting. right. there are these two things. first of all, it is hard to overstate just how powerful tiktok has been as a market force. we have seen that company

account for twice the downloads of the last ten years as its closest rival and it's youtube. it is just a tidal wave when it comes to its influence on not just americans, but around the world. not only that, we know at this point, i don't know if you're like this, but i'm this way. when i'm on tiktok too long, a video pops up that says you should go to bed you. you've watched enough. if a bartender tells you to go home, he knows you've got a drinking problem and he knows you're going to be back the next day. it's intense what tiktok is doing to us. now we are in this strange moment where there is this war of words about a possible ban and what's interesting is that china talks about the need to keep the free market moving and is arguing against this ban idea that i know garrett's going to talk about, but that's a common thing in china to ban social media platforms and in china

it's not the same as it is here. in china, it's educational. if you're over 14, you're looking at math and science. here in the united states, it's not that. so there's this very distinct flow of information. >> 60 minutes had a report on this and somebody said when you look down the line at what china's trying to do to their population versus ours in this soft way with technology, he's worried about the future for what we when you look at what american kids want to be, they want to be a social media star. what chinese kids want to be, astronauts. >> it's one of those things where you think to yourself is this, we've been talking to cybersecurity experts all day. one of the things they say to us is when you actually look at the terms of service of these two companies like tiktok or other platforms, they're not that different. the terms of service are not

similar. it's something about recognizing this huge database of american behavior, habits and psychological profiles and all that stuff is inside a chinese-owned company, that seems to be a bridge too far. at least for lawmakers and has set off this enormous fur yor. >> are you hearing about this tiktok argument as an argument based on we're worried about the data woo we're giving to china and the security concerns there or are you also hearing about it in terms of the way the app is influencing the american public. >> yeah, it's really both. there are two totally different set of complaints here and they seem to be driving in the same direction. you hear primarily from republicans, but not exclusively, this concern about the chinese access to data and that tiktok is basically, they argue, a piece of chinese spyware or americans phones. that's why you've seen so many governments move to get tiktok removed from phones of working duts, basically.

folks who presumably would know how to moderate their social media use and know the kind of interpersonal risks that might come from overuse of social media. that's a national security argument. then there are democrats who argue the damage that apps like tiktok and other social media do to young people who get served up dangerous content. whether it be things about eating disorders, violence, sexualized content. pick your issue. i think the challenge for congress broadly here is figuring out what they can agree on to find some kind of regulatory framework here short of a ban. if they don't get all the way to kind of putting some kind of federal ban in place on that particular piece of software, there may be only solving part of the problem. so that's the active conversation that spans national security and folks who are interested in it for a parenting perspective. and making sure that kids aren't

kind of being you know, victimized basically by the content showing up on their phone. >> there's an uptick in depression among young people over the past few years. young girls. on the way up for decades, but has really spiked in the last few years. if you look at the timing of this and a lot of them are pointing to the rise of social media and what it's done. it's not just tiktok. there's going to be a hearing tonight addressing not just tiktok, but the relationship, public in this country.mittee it's rare, garrett, to have a prime time house who aring. >> it was rare before the january 6th committee brought it back into fashion. i think in this case, putting the hearing in prime time is an effort to shine a bigger spotlight on it.

the threat of a reezing china, the competition between the u.s. and china across any number of factors. whether it's military power, economic competition. things like spy craft and how kind of our cultural interests intersect. tonight's hearing is going to be a 30,000 feet view introducing the work of the committee to the country. it will be a more broad focus of the country. the hope here among the leaders including of both parties here in the house here is that this is a way to get americans to take the threat of china in which ever direction more seriously. >> thank you very much. coming up, the view from crimea. keir simmons gets a rare look at the war from inside russian controlled territory. first up though, not red or

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president biden is in virginia beach as we said earlier. he's talking about taxes. his record on lowering them. he also wants to raise them on the very, very richest among us. >> take back the power we just

gave medicare and negotiate and they would have a huge giveaway to big pharma and cost taxpayers billions of dollars. and if they say they want to cut the deficit, but their plans would actually explode the deficit, how are they going to make the numbers add up? what are they going to cut? for millions of americans, healthcare hangs in the balance. will they continue to fight cut the affordable care act to make health insurance more expensive for millions of americans? republicans have been trying to undo it since it passed 13 years ago. they voted to change and repeal the act, it's a fact. more than 50 times. in fours that it existed. 50 times. and they made repealing it part of virtually every republican budget since the law was passed and the trump administration budgets to congressional budget

plans to just this past year. let's be clear about the consequences. when you get rid of the affordable care act would mean that more than 100 million americans with preexisting conditions would lose the critical protections they have now. the only reason previous conditions and previous insurance are able to pay is because they have the affordable care act. but by the way, cut the affordable care act, millions could lose free preventive care like cancer screenings. basic services like maternity care, which insurers would no longer have to cover. up to 3 million young adults would lose access to their parents health insurance.

and nearly 40 million americans would be in danger of losing coverage. that includes those who get their health insurance through medicaid. and it includes millions of middle class and working class families who are covered by the aca marketplace. even if they did manage to keep their health insurance would cost them thousands of dollars more per year than it does now. that's just a glimpse of the damage of repealing the affordable care act would do. you know, the maga republicans in congress, they still want to cut medicaid. the former trump budget director who's now advising them, republicans in the house on their fiscal strategy, has a plan to slash over $2 trillion for medicaid. that's the plan. okay? he wants to end medicare expansion under the affordable

care act. then additional deep cuts that could move to 7 million people losing credit cal services. most are seniors, people with disabilities and children. some could lose it all together. millions of seniors and people with disabilities who depend on medicaid to help pay for their home care including home health aides could lose their ability to remain in their homes and by the way, it saves the government money if you're home and not in a nursing home. those long waiting lists for home care. >> president biden talking there about healthcare and the aca. i should mention that and i've been talking to garrett haake about this, republicans haven't made any significant effort to go after the aca since john

mccain did that thumbs down. some are trying to chip away at medicaid expansion, but there hasn't been a real effort in the past few years. rupert murdoch is admitting his network pushed baseless claims in the 2020 election and he seems to suggest the network did it for money. in court filings, he was asked why he didn't intervene when they kept appearing on the network. quote, it's not red or blue. it is green. the lawyer said. to which murdoch agreed. fox news has defended its coverage and called the lawsuit baseless. joining me now is stephanie gosk and npr media correspondent, david. steph, i want you to just lay out the nets and bolts of this

for me. what did we learn yesterday? >> it was a court filing that dominion filed. a rebuttal that this case should have been thrown out. the case is set to go to trial on april 17th. now, within this document, they included bits of redacted deposition with rupert murdoch so little bits and pieces and some of them are fairly rev la torre including at one point he says that during this time after the election, the weeks and months following it, he says quote that fox news was trying to straddle the line between spewing conspiracy theories and calling out the fact that they're false. >> reporter: a series of bombshell add miss from the opener of fox news. he acknowledged some of the cable network's hosts pushed false election fraud claims

during the 2020 election. >> this is disgusting and we cannot allow america's election to be corrupted. >> you have every right not to have faith and confidence. >> reporter: murdoch's sworn out of court testimony, part of a filing by dominion voting systems. the 91-year-old was questioned about whether popular fox personalities like sean hannity, maria bartiromo and lou dobbs repeated lies made by form r president trump and his allies who falsely claimed the race was rigged and stolen. according to documents, later adding i would have liked us to be stronger in denouncing it in hindsight. this despite him saying found half of what trump was saying was bs and damaging. >> he's conceding that the fox news host endorsed the claims that the dominion election

results were false. that they knew in the back rooms and internal communications that those claims were false. >> reporter: when questioned about whether he could have asserted some control over the network's programming, according tot file, i could have, but didn't. documents also revealed conversations between murdoch and suzanne scott. murdoch wanted hosts to say the election is over and joe biden won. but the documents say scott told him we need to be careful about using the shows and pissing off the viewers. over night in a statement, fox news writing dominion's lawsuit has always been more about what will generate headlines than what could withstand legal and financial scrutiny. adding violations are a blatant violence of the first amendment. dominion responded and said the company's a strong believer in the first amendment and its protections, but also makes the point that the first amendment

doesn't give this broad cover for people to spread lies. >> i want to ask about the first amendment here because all of the news organizations out there work under that banner and that's how we do our jobs. it's how we can present allegations and report much of the news we report. but if you look at the time period that dominion is saying fox was slandering them. if you looked at all of the other major networks, msnbc, nbc, abc, cbs news, nobody was putting out there without pushing back what fox was putting out. i'm not saying all news coverage should be uniform, but does dominion have a case in saying look at how everyone else was doing this, covering these news worthy comments and then look at how fox was doing it? >> i think it does. i think that you know, what dominion is really trying to do is exceed what's a very high bar protecting you and me. for our ability to do our jobs as well as regular americans and

free speech. that is that if they have to show that fox either knew that what they were putting out there was false and hurtful, that is alleging that dominion's voting machines were involved in fraud against donald trump or that they had willful disregarded information that would come to them. the fact pattern being shown by these filings show in some detail that up and down the hierarchy as the lawyers put it, they had strong knowledge as stephanie laid out. and that this was something they cannot claim any ignorance of. so then the question is why would they do it? put out information there if it wasn't known? fox found itself in a position no one else did. they have a poor viewership that aligns neatly with core trump voters and on election night, fox projected joe biden would win arizona thus putting the general election pretty much out of the reach of donald trump. he was going to have to basically run the table of swing

states. as a result, millions of viewers that had tuned in to fox on election night hoping for a trump victory peeled away and stayed away for weeks. the dilemma that murdoch and others found themselves in is how to try to win them back to keep this billion dollar plus profit making machine running. >> that's what i want to ask you about next. we opened this segment with this idea that the lawyer for the dominion suggested to murdoch this wasn't about politics. it's not red or blue. it's green, like in money. and murdoch according to the court filings agreed. is this significant? >> i mean, one of the things that is often very hard for plaintiffs to prove in defamation cases is what was the motivation? the reason somebody would push a falsehoods knowingly that would be damaging to the person or entity described. in this case, their lawyers

argued we've got it here in black and white. it was a dominion attorney who used that phrase, it being about green, not blue or red. just as the attorney who used the phrase about straddling what the trump voters want to hear about the facts. all of that said, it seems to hey out a motive in black and white. you see in the filings in recent hours as well as last week, panic set in. including folks at fox corp. trump white house aide who's become a senior vice president at fox talking about brand assessment and saying anyway that viewers faith in fox has dipped to near record lows. you're seeing hosts like tucker carlson, sean hannity and laura ingram on group texts screaming essentially into their iphones about the fact that some of their journalistic colleagues are trying to tell viewers the truth whether on the air or on

twitter doing fact checking on stuff on their own shows. saying this is vandalism to our brand that's taken a half century to build up. you're seeing what dominion lawyers are crafting. this is really the evidence they've chosen to share, but there's so much of it that you're seeing this motivation being presented on platter to the public and presumably to the jury for the trials set to take place in some weeks. >> and in those court filings, text messages talking about getting jackie fired about pushing back and trying to clarify some of the lies that were out there. david and stephanie, thank you very much. and joining me now is former rrc chairman and political analyst, michael steele. fox news is in position to potentially lose more than a billion dollars if they lose this lawsuit. they have not yet covered this on their air.

their media reporters said he's not allowed to touch it, cover it, because fox has told him not to. what do you make of the way that fox news has siloed its viewership from these allegations? >> well, in the midst of all of this, they're continuing to do the very thing that got them into trouble in the first place. trying to fashion news narratives that fits their audience. as opposed to just doing what any rep tabl news organization would do. that is here are the facts, man, and sir, this is what's going on and yes, it involves us, too. but they can't do that. because they've built their brand around a lie. they've pivoted off of a legitimate platform of saying we want to present conservative perspectives on the events in the news of the day to sort of put into the general media ether you know what conservatives think about the economy and so

forth. into now the lie scape that they've created. here's the rub. at the end of the day. it may cost them a billion dollars but what is their continued revenue stream? so it's not like they're going to take a billion dollar hit to a bottom line that's a billion and a half dollars. to a bigger bottom line. >> is it more damaging then for them to not just have to pay the money, but have to issue repeated on air apologies or clarifications that they misled the audience? >> that's the sweet spot. absolutely it's more damaging to have to go on their air and be forced by a judge and jury and a court system that says you now have to go back and tell all your viewers that you lied to them. and you need to do it every day for the next x number of months. every program. your hosts from sean hannity to tucker carlson are going to have

to tell the viewers, yeah, we lied to you and you're not going to be able to get away with the court made us do it, right? the fact of it is the facts made you do it. and that's going to be the problem. so it's better for them to sort of take the economic hit minus that piece of having to correct the record. that's what they would prefer to do. but i suspect that's not going to be what happens. they're going to have to go and tell their audience that for the last two years and it's continuing. listen to tucker still ongoing. they're still persisting in in lying kind of narrative and when this court case comes down and tells them, they're going to have to choke on it. >> one quick question about cpac. donald trump still going to cpac. a lot of other big names are not. what do you make of the cpac group and club for growth group, which notably did not invite donald trump to its latest

cattle call. >> this is all just dog and pony bs show. it doesn't mean a damn thing. at the end of the day, donald trump's a nominee and everyone's going to line up and do what they're going to do. club for growth, whomever, doesn't matter. donald trump still controls at least a third of the base and until they figure out how to wrestle that away from him, he's still the game. >> michael, thank you very much. and still ahead, polls in chicago close in just about four hours. what the mayor did to find herself in a position to get primaried potentially tonight. first up though, nbc news is in crimea. what keir simons found when he asked about president zelenskyy's vow to take crimea back from russia. zelenskyy's vow to take crimea back from russia s. boost your team's productivity with samsung's fastest processor yet. switch and save up to $1000 on the new galaxy s23 ultra.

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back in 2014, putin illegally took crimea by force from ukraine. it was the first indication that russia had plans to try and rebuild the soviet union. today after a year of war in ukraine, keir simmons is the first western correspondent to report from inside crimea. what people told him about ukrainian president zelenskyy's promise to take crimea back. joining me live from crimea is nbc news chief international

correspondent, keir simmons. what did you learn? >> reporter: we traveled into crimea on the bridge behind me there. that is the same bridge that was targeted and blown up back in october and president putin described as terrorism, understood scoring how important this place is to him. we wanted to come and talk to people here and find out what they thought. president putin's warplanes targeting the besieged town. russia is destroying ukraine's defenses there, president zelenskyy said overnight. again, calling for western combat aircraft. his other main objective is taking back crimea. in october, an explosion rocked the bridge. putin blamed special services. kyiv never admitted responsibility. we crossed into crimea by train

across ukraine's nationally recognized border. this is where the explosion hit the bridge last october around this time in the morning. the bridge was fully reopened just last week. inside, the territory is teeming with russian soldiers and if ukraine plans to take it back with force, many civilians will be caught in the middle. 2.4 million people live here. large numbers support russia. is crimea russian or crane russ. forever. this 73-year-old tells me. >> reporter: there is a sign for a bomb shelter there. >> so what, she said. >> reporter: are you frightened? no. she said. if it is needed, we'll just go to a bomb shelter. if we don't defend our mother land we will become slaves. the streets are lined with

propaganda. we don't need the west. but the u.n. has accused of russia of many human rights abuses in crimea. olga tells us all mothers both russian and ukrainian weep for their children. i can't speak about it without tears, she said. and general milley has said that it is very difficult for the ukrainians to push the russians out of this peninsula. the bridge behind me is one reason for that and there is a land bridge in that direction, the two ways to get here. that land bridge is very exposed. so another reason why this will be a challenging ambition for kyiv. >> i wonder, keir, i know you talk to folks on camera and did they express any different opinions off camera when they felt -- did they feel safer to speak to you off camera? >> reporter: well it is a constant question here in crimea and in russia and there are people who just don't want to

talk to you and you never know why, katy, they don't want to speak to you. we do know that russia has silenced people in russia and here in the past. we talked about the human rights abuses. so, it is a difficult question not also because of the unique history of this place, many people have left, but in terms of what we saw here now and what we heard, we played that to you in that piece and that is the reality here right now. >> how do they feel about the war itself? i know you had the mother saying that all mothers, russian and ukrainian are weeping for their children but do they have strong opinions on the russian invasion? >> reporter: well, it depends who you speak to. plainly, there are those here who speak russian and you've heard them in my piece. people who speak russian would identify as russian. one woman showed us her russian passport that she was given after president putin illegally

annexed crimea. so there are different views inevitably, but fundamentally it is difficult to find people who think that war is a good idea. they admit when you ask them a few more questions, they are frightened. others with bravado saying they're not. but these are anxious times as they are very difficult times across this region. >> keir simmons, keir, thank you very much. and voters are at the polls today in chicago. where mayor lori lightfoot is seeking a second term. this is only the primary. but a new poll conducted just days ago shows he's falling far behind the challengers from her own party. paul valas is leading the race. ahead of lightfoot by almost 10 points. if she loses today she'll be the first chicago mayor to lose a re-election in bid in 40 years. so what exactly is going on?

joining me now from chicago is nbc news correspondent marissa pair. who before she joined us was a reporter in chicago. this is not usually what happens when you have an incumbent running, you usually don't get challenges, competitive challenges from within that person's own party. what is happening? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, and specially this many. and just the atmosphere here, when i'm talking to voters, there is not even a sense of confidence as to whether or not mayor lori lightfoot will be part of what we believe to be an inevitable runoff election. we'll get to that in just a moment. but when we talk about what changed. we spoke to people who once voted for her, voted in the last election and are not voting for her today. the world has changed. that is one big factor here. this is not a good time to be mayor in any city, let alone the third largest city in the country. you have the covid pandemic and the impact on lives and

livelihoods and businesses and the economy and then the coinciding spike in crime. we're talking about gun violence and carjackings here in chicago. but then as you mentioned, there was a local reporter i saw the chicago specific moments, tensions between conversations on how policing should be done and tense moments between the chicago teachers' union and the mayor that meant a lot of students were out of school for many days. and so when we spoke to voters, a lot of voters who said that they had once voted for her and are not voting for her again, several of them who were black female voters say that they felt like she had let them down. she was not the reformer that she campaigned to be and a lot of them felt like she was not there for them as she hoped that she would be, katy. >> marissa, thank you very much. we're going to watch the polls close at 8:00 p.m. eastern time, 7:00 p.m. local time in chicago. that is going to do it for

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