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grohl. and on that note, i wish you all a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late! i will see you at the end of tomorrow! ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> thanks to all of our joining us this hour. it is a rare moment when reasonable people are in agreement with my pillow, ceo, michael and, all prominent election conspiracist. but here is where we are. >> kevin mccarthy and the gang released 44,000 hours from january 6th to exclusively fox news. well, we are not going to sit back and let that happen. >> why have all the fights that we got, why would you pick ongoing--on going and telling mccarthy he can't partner with tucker?

>> well, because fox, number one, fox is going to sift through it and only put out what they want. >> you heard that correctly. mike pillow ceo and election denier mike lindell is furious that speaker of the house kevin mccarthy for giving exclusive access to more than 40,000 hours of january 6th security footage to fox news host tucker carlson. because mike lindell is worried that tucker is going to cherry pick the footage to fit his own narrative. and that is absolutely a huge concern. it is why several national news outlets including nbc news, it is why they have sued for access to that very footage. getting the lection deniers, like michael j. lindell, getting them mad at you, is just one where many giant can of worms that speaker mccarthy has opened here. tucker carlson having exclusive access to this footage is concerning because we have a pretty good idea but what you might do with, it and it is not great. carlson's already released a three-part documentary series entitled patriot purge that

pushed the idea that the january 6th attack was a false flag operation. if you're wondering at this point who could possibly be worse to give this access to? well, i mean, probably mike lindell. [laughter] because he is angry at tucker carlson. because lindell wants the footage for himself, presumably to push whatever bonkers narrative he thinks's most pressing. remember, mike lindell had once claimed he had evidence that would put the hundred million people in, quote, prison for life because i've imagined election fraud and now mike lindell is going to sue kevin mccarthy for the footage, which is, thanks mccarthy. now after dodging reporters for days today speaker mccarthy finally agreed to answer reporters ' questions about in-tern, his questionable decisions. >> and in 20 decisions to hand

over these generous excited to talk across? >> i, well we don't endeavor anything. tucker was interested in it. we've had videos for more than two years and i never heard anyone concerned about that when cnn was given exclusive. i know -- >> you have letters from all our news organizations asking for the same video that you've made available to him. >> have you ever had an exclusive? because i see it on your networks all the time. so we'll have an exclusive, then give it out to the entire country. >> tucker will have an exclusive, and then the rest of the country will get to see it. said the speaker of the house of representatives. what is the big deal there? the number two house republican majority leader steve scalise also took questions on this topic today, his take amounted to, well, the january six committee released video. >> on january 6th, -- talk about today's meeting. and yesterday was being reported as well. is there concern as much as there is a desire for transparency around this, around security implications of releasing this footage full stop? >> of course, if you watch with the january six committee did

under speaker pelosi, they actually released a lot of video that was very sensitive. they literally released video of vice president pence exiting the capitol showing the route that he takes. i didn't hear a lot of concern about that back then and we were concerned how it's like how selective they were. ultimately, we're talking about going through and what gets released will obviously be scrutinized. >> okay, all of the material shown by the january six committee, that was done in consultation with the u.s. capitol police. a staffer with direct knowledge of the process told nbc news that the committee worked with a capitol police representative to make sure the surveillance footage, if released to the public, would, quote, not compromise their security posture. it remains to be seen what safeguards house republicans put in place as far as fox news access. and we now know that they have other plans for what they want to do with it. so far, it doesn't involve mike lindell, the my pillow guy. but here is the headline from

carl cheney at politico today. house gop moving to let january 6th defendants access capitol security footage. jamie writes, house republicans are moving to provide defendants in january 6th related cases access to thousands of hours of internal capitol security footage. a move that could influence many of the ongoing prosecutions stemming from 2021 's violent attack. according to congressman barry loudermilk, the georgian republican who chairs the subcommittee with jurisdiction over that material. it is our intention to make available any relevant documents or videos on a case by case basis as requested by attorneys representing defendants of january 6th. which is quite a statement of principles. first tucker carlson, then the january 6th defendants, and then, maybe, you guys. i mean, hey, what could go wrong here? you might remember that last summer the new york times did an incredible investigative video piece showing just how instrumental the far-right militia group, the proud boys

were. in breaching the capitol on january 6th. it showed that not only were the proud boys clearly organized into using predetermined strategies to break through their access points to let the crowds into the capital. but the times also showed that hundreds of proud boys had been at the capitol early on the morning of january 6th to do recon and to get a lay of the land. so, can you imagine what a group like that might do with footage like this? security footage, from every camera, in the capital. politico reports, a lawyer for one of the proud boys, who is charged with seditious conspiracy for his role in the attack, has asked prosecutors to determine whether they would, also, be able to access this footage. joining us now is kyle cheney, legal affairs reporter for politico, who was the byline on today's piece reporting that house republicans would be looking at giving january six defendants access to capitol hill security footage from january 6th. kyle,

thank you for being here. can you just talk to me, a little bit, about how feasible this plan is? we are talking, by the current estimation, 44,000 hours of footage. is this a feasible plan to give the defendants in the january six trials access to this footage? >> the january 6th defendants have had access to around 14,000 of these hours, for almost a couple of years now. it is important for their defense, they should have access to it that is relevant to the riot. what the capitol police has said, that is the footage that is relevant. the other 30,000 is, basically, the rest of the security footage from that entire day, including from locations that may have nothing to do with what happened at the capitol. so, it remains to be seen if anything even remotely relevant to january six is in that footage. all told, that is four and a half years worth of footage, and to end, for four and a half or more years, before you can see it all. so, once you have

it, it's a whole different ball game to go through it, and find the relevant material. that is why you are seeing a certain push for having kevin mccarthy release at all, wholesale, to the public. you can crowd source it, have thousands of people, those at home detectives, going through a, trying to find something. that opens up, as you point out, a different can of worms. that is, the security risk and main present. >> what does the justice department think of this? they are involved in all of these january 6th cases. they, then, presumably, would come through the same footage that is given to the defendants, right? >> right. they have been relatively silent. they are not brushing this off as a non issue. when it did come up in the proud boys manner, the justice department attorney said, in that case, we are taking this seriously. they have obligations under the law to provide defendants with anything relevant to their cases. they think they have done that, but when there is another 30,000 hours of footage

out there that, they may not have seen, they don't know if they know about it. they're trying to figure out, to wrap their heads around this footage, and if we have to do anything with it in these cases. even if they determine the answer is no, defense attorneys will still make a fuss about trying to accessing it, and seeing it, in ways that could disrupt the ongoing prosecutions. what you mentioned, the capitol police had sort of defended the first tranche. 14,000 hours of this footage and said this is the part that concerns these cases. to what degree are the capitol police in consultation without the republican leadership as they make these decisions that could have dire implications for the security of the capital complex? >> so with our understanding, they are going to go through a relatively similar process to the january 6th committee in terms of consulting or at least making decisions that are based on protecting the security of the capital that they won't show exit routes for, you know, evacuations or emergencies.

they won't show that kind of sensitive degree of footage. they won't allow that to be aired on fox news or released in other ways. the issue is what's going to happen if a defense attorney reviewing the footage says, oh, i need that sensitive footage for my trial upcoming. we need to get that out there. when those interests compete or conflict, you, know how the house is going to handle that i think there are still figuring that particular part out. >> well, that would sort of be where the rubber meets the road, right? house republican leadership would have, on one hand, law enforcement making its case. and then on the other hand, a january 6th defendants making their case. is that right? that is the choice they would have to make? >> essentially, there are ways, again, the 14,000 hours that are out there includes some of the sensitive footage that defendants have access to it. and a lot of that is that they can't just go out and release it all, they are under strict orders by the courts about how they can handle that material. so i assume anything else they would get from the house would come with similar strings attached. so they can't just go and post

it all online for the world to see. capitol police have made clear any wide release of this footage is a grave danger to the capitol security, for exactly what you said. it could help plan an attack, a feature attack against the capitol. and so i think that whatever comes out of the house will be strictly limited in how it can be used. >> right now we are talking about tucker carlson having access to this. january 6th defendants having access to this. house republican leadership does not seem to be concerned about the optics of that. when does the rest of the world for example media companies that have asked for this footage, do we have any expectations of when we can have it or what the timeline might be for other people getting access to this footage? >> so the clearest answer we got on that was from the speaker himself. he said that he actually intends to make this footage as much as possible available publicly, widely, not just to media outlets, but to the world to go through. and this is kind of what you heard michael j. lindell, and

saying, rather than having someone cherry-pick or pick and choose what clips they want to hear. think -- let everyone here. it mccarthy said, barring that is really sensitive stuff, i wanted out there as quickly as possible. it is going to drop -- he was a, last take? months he also asked, will it take months? he said, i hope not. so i think he will view that as a couple of weeks or maybe look at the fuller capture videos published in a way that is in his view safe. >> marching orders from mike lindell, i am just going to leave it right there, kyle cheney, thank you for your great reporting, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> you're with me now is my dear friend and colleague jen psaki. former white house press secretary and host of the upcoming msnbc show inside with jen psaki. jen, it is great to see you. you >> great to see you. what a story! >> i mean, you just are a communications person. the idea that you are up there defending the release of this footage to fox news and also arguing about what the january

6th defendants should have access to it seems like not a great place to be and in terms of messaging? >> i mean, just watching that clip of kevin mccarthy speaker mccarthy talking to garrett hague and an nbc news reporter who was asking him, as he should, what about us? when do we get access to this? him saying, haven't i given you exclusives? as if it was who has chief of staff was going to. >> [laughter] >> this is, you given exclusive. the only reason i can think of that he did this, that he would have provided this unfettered access to tucker carlson is to get curried favor with somebody who he has not had favor with. somebody who has an enormous audience with the exact faction of the party that kevin mccarthy needs to curry favor with. it is also completely perplexing listening to your interview you just had with kyle. but it would take him weeks to vet it. or months. he needs weeks and months to get it but he is going to handed over to jack or carlson who he is an advocate and a booster of the insurrection. >> exactly. >> there is a lot of hypocrisy and gas like going on here with this argument. >> and i just think it also

reflects upon the republican party so poorly that the fact that republican leadership, now, i know everything has become partisan. he is the speaker of the house and reportedly represents the american people. >> and wasn't a booster of, i mean, he was trying to get trump not to do this. let's remember that. >> yes. >> he had a moment of sanity and leadership. this is about his own desperate attempt to hold on to power. >> at all costs. >> exactly. >> literally just filling his end of the, i should, pose them devils bargain. how should democrats talk about? this because the biden administration is not gonna come out and talk about carlson 's access to these tapes. in terms of of the republican party and who it is that fellows are. and also the relationship between fox news and the sort of dog leading its owner to borough a very handed metaphor. the idea that the dog has caught the car, let's use that one. and that fox news is basically issuing -- to the republican speaker of the house? >> i think it is important for democrats not to get doing the weeds of what is going on here between kevin mccarthy and fox

news. it is important to keep it focused on what happened on january 6th. >> yes. >> which was there an insurrection on our capitol, no matter what political party do you belong to or, maybe you don't belong to anyone. you can find that outrageous. and right now there is one party and some from a few -- most democrats who are saying that is wrong. and that we need to stand up for democracy and we need to get to the bottom of what happened. there is only a handful of republicans who believe that. so keep it focused on what happened on january 6th. how we have to prevent that from happening again. and who represents standing up for democracy in the country. >> are you at all concerned that this all seems like a very concerted effort to reframe what happened on january 6th? because that is what, i mean, that is presumably whatever carlson is gonna do with 44,000 hours of footage. >> of course he is, i mean, i can just see his show now.

where there is so many ways to play it. we are just giving advice to his producers that this point in time. where they could play hours of tape that has nothing on it because if it is four years of tape there are hours that nothing happened. right? they can play tape of the protesters peacefully, the insurrectionists peacefully walking for a few seconds. there is a lot of ways to frame this. and remember, the majority of republicans still think that joe biden was not legitimately elected president. so there is an audience out there for this. that is exactly the kind of thing that he could do with it. >> and, i, mean that is, that is deeply problematic. is it not? i mean, the idea, that i, mean for now as you point out there is disagreement among republicans and democrats largely about what happened in the mid term 2020 elections. whether or not joe biden barely won.

that we know he did. but january 6th is proved -- a third rail. that's one of republicans who still abide by this sort of facts and figures of the rest of the world does, they don't say that that was, you know antifa fueled or the opposite, don't suggest that it was a benign event. >> correct, know that, is true. there is a dividing line there for sure. >> if, carlson has a massive audience is able to muddy the waters, if the other conservatives are able to manipulate the footage in a way that undermines the gravity of this. i, mean you were in a transition period in the biden white house. if they undermine that, i, mean what does that suggest about future transfers of power? what does that suggest about, you, know the threshold we have for democracy and the

preservation of? it >> well, i mean, i think that the trump period of the transfer of power or the lack thereof in that period of time was so, it was outrageous. but it was also a uniquely horrible moment in history. i mean, i was there when president obama came in and george bush was leaving. different parties. agreement, disagreement on a lot of issues including the iraq war which was the biggest issue, almost the biggest issue at the time. they treated us with grace. they provided us with a briefing materials. they worked together to deal with the financial crisis. that is normal. and that is what is supposed to be. so this to your point, alex, is throwing into disarray what actually should happen with the continuity of power in the country. and adding more fuel to the fire of people in this country who don't believe joe biden was legitimately elected. who believe that a lot of these conspiracy theories, which, frankly, tucker carlson and others are guilty of pushing. even when we know as of last year they don't believe all of

this. yes, the hypocrisy. the peddling of lies. the destruction of democracy. >> exactly. >> full stop. we will leave it there. i know we will be talking about all of this and so so much more on your upcoming msnbc show. >> yes. >> inside with jen psaki. >> i don't think we are resolving democracy in the risk for years. >> you, wait anyone, can you, can sister. >> that will be a hot topic. >> i will be watching. thank you for coming in visiting me onset. we have lots of stories to bring you tonight, like new revelations from a lawsuit against, yes, you guessed, it fox news. over its coverage of that big lie including one involving rupert murdoch and cher kutcher. plus, what huge crowds of protesters at the supreme court today have in common with justice curlers thomas. we will tell you about coming up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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the supreme court heard oral arguments today into blockbuster cases challenging biden's student loan forgiveness plan as hundreds of protesters gathered outside the building calling on the court to let the white house cancel their debt. some waited outside the building overnight, some stood in the rain. ultimate plea to make sure their calls for relief where her. one of the protest leaders said she was there because she wanted to make sure that the justices looked into the eyes of borrowers.

the justices didn't have to look outside of the courtroom today to look into the eyes of a borrower. they could have turned to somebody on the bench. justice clarence thomas was once suffering from what he called the crushing weight of student loans. in this 2007 more, thomas wrote that law school classmates suggested he declared bankruptcy after graduating because of the staggering burden of his student loans. when he was nominated to the federal bench in 1989, thomas still had $10,000 of student loans to pay off. and thousand dollars! which is exactly the amount of debt that biden's plan would forgive for non pell grants recipients. now, we have no idea where justice thomas will ultimately stand on student debt forgiveness. but his comments today sounded pretty skeptical of the biden plan. and he was not alone in that apparent skepticism. justice neil gorsuch was fixated on the idea of fairness. whether the biden plan was fair.

but i think they argue, that is missing,. is costs to other persons in terms of fairness. for example, people who have paid their loans. people who planned their lives around not seeking loans. and people who are not eligible for loans in the first place. and that half a trillion dollars is being diverted to one group of favorite persons over others. one group of favorite persons over others. if you help one group you are somehow harming the others. that seems to be the argument. here is the thing. it is true that studies show biden's plan would give 74% of the total forgiveness funds to households annual incomes below $80,000. maybe those would be favored persons, justice gorsuch is talking about it. those families are in the bottom 60% of wage earners. but it is also true that the cost of college has been on the rise for decades now for every one. an average earnings for young adults in their twenties have failed dramatically to keep up. it is also true that united states total student debt has been rising for decades and currently tops 1. 7 trillion dollars. at this rate, experts expect it to pass three trillion by 2035, which is just a massive volume of national debt and it's

something that impacts the entire country. and the biden administration officials have been warning that some of the reasons they launched this debt forgiveness plan was to address the growing debt crisis and to reduce the likelihood that about 18 million borrowers at risk of defaulting on their loans, to reduce the chance that those borrowers actually fail to make their payments. because what would a default of that scale mean for the american economy for all of us? whether we have student loans or not. i know exactly the person i should ask. joining us now is heather mcgee, my friend and expert in economic and social policy and author of the some of us. what racism costs everyone and how we can prosper together. a new adaptation for young readers. oh my, my, it was just released last week. heather, my friend, this gets to the core of the thesis so brilliantly and urgently

articulating in the book. which is the notion of zero-sum politics, right? let's first debunked that in the case of student loans, right? you have a lot of data that is being amassed that is not a stabilizing force in the american economy. why do we keep looking at these things through the lens of us versus them? >> you know, this is a very right-wing way of looking at the world. you saw the conservative justices say, you know, what about the small business owner or the lawn care business we didn't get -- to talk at a small business loan? why is that not available for them, for student-led debt cancellation. mind you, of course, that could be eligible for bankruptcy, for ppp loans, all these other things. but the very idea that thankfully most of americans reject, that we somehow don't lebanon interrelated society. right? if you are a lawn care business owner, don't you actually want people to have enough money to buy homes? right? and there is a direct correlation between the amount of debt a family takes on and

their inability to purchase a home. great? we have seen starter homes among young americans be falling and falling and falling. partly because of the student loan debt burden. if you have student loan debt you are less likely to save for retirement. to start a business. you often put aside marriage, right? this is no way to run a country. and the super majority of the country agrees. 52% according to the data i just saw. of voters actually think that this is a good idea. this zero-sum story that says that, you know, resent what your neighbor has. a, it is very racialized. right? we saw the images of who was organized in front of the courthouse steps, right? most, there is a disproportionate amount of black and brown borrowers. which absolutely just has to do with the racial wealth gap. explicitly racist policy that

stopped and intergenerational wealth transfer for most of the 20th century. to the point where today the average black college graduate has less wealth, alex, then the average white high school dropout. >> yeah. >> so this is one of those things we are saying to, you know, the brightest generation, the most diverse generation in american history. do all the things we have been telling you to do. and just do it with 20 or $30,000. >> can we bring that graph back, up the one that shows the earnings of those in their twenties and the debt that is amassing. it is just a shocking one, that is. it black -- back when clarence thomas was getting crushed into that students, that was the 80s. look at the gap there and look at it now. i mean, that is staggering. you can't run a country like. that you can expect people to ever get out from behind. that and by the way, we used to help people.

this is a really important point that you bring up in this book that is, did i mention, out in the young adult version now? here is the next excerpt. public commitment to college for always a crucial part of the white social contract for much of the 20th century. in 1976, state governments provided six out of every $10 of the cost of students attending public colleges. six out of ten! when the public meant white, public colleges thrived. that is no longer the case. over this period of growth amongst students of color, ensuring college affordability fell out of favor with lawmakers. when it was white people going to college, the government would share the burden. when it became people of color going to college the government sounds less interested in sharing that burden? >> that is exactly what is at the root of this problem. i call it -- that the idea that we had these flourishing public goods that created the american medical class but they were largely for whites only. and then in the wake of the civil rights movement you began to see this sort of repeated repeal of all of that social

contract. a draining of the integrated pools, literally in terms of swimming pools. but also in terms of the other public goods like free college. which, frankly, most of the members of congress actually, you know, we did a study at demos where we looked at the members of congress. they were paying hundreds of dollars in tuition. and now, of course, it is tens of thousands of dollars a year into asian. at the same schools. and that is because we have not kept up the promise that having an educated citizenry is important to our economy, it helped to create the american century. and also all the research renovation that we just sort of take for granted as part of the american birth right. as we are falling behind in global competitiveness because our young people are saddled with that, where our peer economies are looking at what we did in the 50s and replicating it for their -- >> their, like will take america but 70 years ago. >> yeah, exactly. >> i just, how do we bridge the? speak on the one hand you have the auspices them narrative which is very prevalent and powerful in republican politics. and the anti elite narrative which is, you don't need no college degree, you don't need to go to this elite institution. i mean, how do you, i mean, i know that you are stats say 62%

of the country. but there is a sharp partisan divide on this? and i wonder if there is any way of bringing back some part of the gop that understands the importance of education and understands the importance of crushing that? >> i think it is, this is the thing. there is a lot of, like, play acting around populism on this issue. right? ron desantis, you know, he went to -- >> and harvard. >> education for me and not for the, right? but fundamentally, most working class families, if you ask them, do you want your kid to go to college? they will say yes. >> yes. >> right? because that is a core part of the american dream. and we have so many jobs that are working class jobs today that have some college. including community college. which used to be free. and which the biden administration would like to be free. and is not today.

and people go to that and go to community college and get tens of thousands of dollars of debt. and so i do think this is not a sort of plain and simple college educated first college not educated issue. the average income of where the majority of student loan debt applicants, you know, relief applicants were. you know, it's like less than $50,000 a year. >> right. >> we are talking about working class communities that of course, if you just think about it for just a second, had to borrow to go to college because they didn't have a trust fund and intergenerational wealth to rely on. and so that is who is hurting the most. and this, the american government, needs to invest in its future. >> oh american government, read this book, american government! the some of us, my friend, heather mcgee, thank you for your time. because out in -- versions now. so your children can read it before they go to college. we have more for you tonight, including more tidbits from the lawsuit against fox news. purporting to show that skepticism about trump's big lie went all the way to the top despite whatever fox was putting on its own air.

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and i quote, bs, and damaging. murdaugh went on to say this on fox news host just didn't give it airtime to the fraud conspiracies, they endorsed them. that is all according to newly unsealed court documents and ongoing 1. 6 billion dollar dominion voting systems defamation lawsuit against fox news. after already learning that in private fox news hosts called the election fraud claims total bs, we now have evidence that that the belief was also held at the very top of the media empire. once invisible media mogul is finding himself and his empire out their assault after a series of bombshell revelations courtesy of this ongoing litigation. this latest filing shows us the unprecedented and unusually cozy relationship between fox news and the gop. for starters, we learned that during trump's campaign, murdoch provided jared kushner with confidential information about joe biden's ads and

debate strategy before those biden as were to become public. that coziness extended well beyond the former presidents inner circle. there was also murdoch's relationship to top republicans in congress. murdoch testified he called vincent majority leader mitch mcconnell immediately after the election and told investigators that it was, quote, probably true that he, quote, urge the republican leader to ask other senior republicans to refuse to endorse mr. trump's conspiracy theories and baseless claims of fraud. mr. murdoch was in close contact with the highest levels of the gop, he also privacy privately did not want to, quote, antagonized donald trump. and then the media mogul ran into a big problem. the court filing details how following trump's election loss, the head of fox news brand protection unit, he told fox executives that the network was, quote, underwater, with viewership declining. fox corporation lobbying murdaugh, rupert's son, said that the the drop in new or

viewership would keep him awake at night. confronted with polling showing fox's drop in favor ability, executives were warned that, quote, clear and decisive action was needed to regain the trust that they were losing with their core audience. and so while fox news chief himself believed trump's claims of election fraud were total bs, the network continued to allow election conspiracy theorists to spread disinformation all over its air. according to dominion's filing, that was motivated in large part by profit. this is nbc news with the summary. murdoch, asked why he continued to allow my pillow mike lindell to make election fraud claims on fraud fox news, it was a business decision. is not return blue. it is green, murdoch said, according to the court documents. fox news said the law suit is baseless in an all out assault on the first amendment. there is still more to come

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governor ron desantis -- his new book, the courage to be free, florida is a blueprint for america's revival, out today, has become a top seller on amazon. as its title suggests, this book is a sort of how to guide in the culture wars that desantis has cultivated in the

sunshine state, with chapters titled laboratories of democracy, the covid-19 pandemic, and the magic kingdom of woke corporate is corporate is a. it is also seen as the governor's literary nod toward the 2024 presidential run. but this morning desantis played coy about any higher ambitions while on fox and friends to promote his book. >> i have a big legislative session coming up. i made promises to the folks about what i would deliver. and we're gonna deliver a lot of winds over the next few months. >> florida republican lawmakers are not wasting any time getting started. they have filed a bill today that would expand on the so-called don't say gay bill. it would restrict the use of pronouns in schools by requiring them to match the assigned identity of the person being described. they have also filed a bill that would eliminate the states democratic party by directing the florida division of elections to immediately cancel the filings of a political party to include its

registration and approved status as a political party of the party's platform has previously advocated for or been in support of slavery or involuntary servitude. that is because southern democrats, of course, advocated for and defended slavery during the civil war. it's not exactly clear that these specific bills are backed by governor desantis, but at least some florida republicans seem to think that in the current atmosphere, it's worth putting their names on them. and they come as the impact of other desantis actions are beginning to take effect. this was the campus in -- new college in sarasota, florida, earlier today, before a board of trustees meeting. students gathered in protest over the six new conservative members who were appointed by governor desantis earlier this year. hours after that protest, the board voted to abolish the schools diversity, equity and inclusion office and to and it's mandatory diversity training program. just yesterday, governor desantis capped off his plan to punish disney world for speaking out about his don't say gay bill by signing a bill

into law that revokes disney world's self governing status. it allows desantis to appoint his political donors, including the cofounder of the conservative group moms for liberty. he can appoint them now to a five member board that will be responsible for the government services that district provides in its theme parks. the board will oversee infrastructure projects like road maintenance and sewage treatment, which all sounds, you know, fairly normal, but the washington post notes that governor desantis has another use in mind for this board. desantis suggested monday that he is also expecting the board to act as the sort of moral arbiter for the company desantis has described as a woke burbank corporation that is trying to inject woke ideology on children. disney world. joining us now is florida state representative anna eskamani, representative eskamani, thank you for joining us. i know you've been very involved in all of this, or at least the pushback on a lot of.

it. let's just first start with disney and the degree to which you think the governor is trying to weaponize state oversight to effectively cancel disney culture, as it were. >> think so much for having me, alex. so much of what governor desantis does is fake populism. as he talks about ending the corporate kingdom, he's been giving billions of dollars in tax breaks to some of the states largest corporations, walt disney world included. he's done nothing to close corporate tax loopholes, and in fact i've followed legislation to do just that. and republicans have not committed to giving me one hearing. in the case of reedy creek, the governor's ability to appoint all five members, feeding it to extremism, also crony capitalism, just highlights that he really isn't a guy that's tough on corporate actors. he actually just wields cultural wars to his favor while continuing to give corporations the tax breaks

that, really, they care the most about. >> can i just say -- this seems like a detail. but i think it's important. the governor was mary that disneyland, right? the mouse looms large in the state of florida. and i've got to ask you, as a floridian, i know that he sort of framing this as man versus corporate megalith. but disney's pretty popular in the state of florida, isn't it? i mean, how does this play with residents of the state that he's the governor of? >> oh, absolutely. it is not something that locals approve. in fact, when you talk to disney workers, overwhelmingly, they are concerned about the new five person board, especially knowing the extremism of some of the members. the new chairman is a mega donor to desantis. he's given him $50,000 just a year ago. so, you talk to everyday workers, they want to love who they want to love. they want to disney to continue to support issues pertaining to

equality. and the only reason why disney even spoke out in support of lgbtq plus kids was because their cast members demanded that they do so overwhelmingly. so his behavior might appeal to a conservative base as he tries to out trump trump, but it does not appeal to the majority of floridians, who might not always vote in every election, but do you see the cost of rent growing up, the cost of property going up, and they see desantis attacking disney, just a complete lack of prioritization, and a desire to create chaos instead of calm. >> i've got to say, i was in florida this weekend visiting the campus of new college. we will have more on that later. there's a ton of fear about what could happen to that institution and other institutions around the country if the governor is successful in his efforts to effectively overhaul the curriculum, the teaching staff, and the student body. is he going to be successful? how much power do you think he could have? i know there's other legislation could that could give him even more power in terms of advancing his ends.

>> you got it, alex alex. and thank you for coming to florida and coming to new colors, because though new college is a small college, it is mighty, and students, alumni, faculty, a fighting back, and really serving as the canary in a coal mine, because what happens at new college can happen at any one of our state universities. and if desantis were to become president of this country,, it will happen to colleges and universities across florida. what i stressed today at the rally at new college -- and what i've stressed to students across state universities and colleges is that every culture war is a class war. and what desantis is really doing is degrading public education so that those of us, like myself, who grew up as a working class kid of immigrants -- my mom passed away when i was 13 years old -- if it was not for public education, i would not be here right now. so, by degrading public education you are creating a generation of young people who won't have efficacy, who won't have free thought, and will allow the status quo to remain the same, which is his end goal, which is why we have to fight back regardless of how difficult the battle is.

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