so republicans backed off. if we are smart and bring to the floor serious legislation that will improve life for the working class in this country we are going to win that debate. >> i saw news today that the house freedom caucus are preparing their own budget i thought to myself, that is good. put it out there and let's debate where the priority should be. >> you got. >> it thank you, senator bernie sanders, his new book is out, it is okay to be angry about capitalism, out in book stores everywhere, thank you, senator. >> thank you. >> thank you be angry about capitalism" i alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex. >> i'm really happy you're back. >> did you miss me? >> i did miss you. and it's likeid terrifying to n have you around. and ali was doing all that dangerous reporting in ukraine. >> i have to say he did absolutely incredible,

incredible work as did betty and eamon, and all who sat in -- >> and i braved it all. i didn't have to do nothing. it was scary for all of us. we're glad you're back, we're glad the child is okay. >> she's good. >> and we're glad the vacation is now over. >> i'm back. >> thanks to you, chris. and thanks to all of you at home for joining us this hour. it is a rare moment when reasonable people are in agreement with my pillow ceo mike lindell, the prominent election conspiracy theorist but that is where we are. >> kevin mccarthy released 44,000 hours exclusively to fox news, well we're not going to sit back and, let that happen. >> why of all the fights we've got, why would you pick telling mccarthy he can't party with tucker?

>> well, number one fox is going to siton through it and only pu out what they want. >> you heard that correctly. my pillow ceo and election denier mike lindell is furious toli speaker of the house kevin mccarthy for giving exclusive access to fox news host tucker carlson because mike lindell is worried tucker is going to cherry pick the footage to fit his own narrative, and that's absolutely a hugeiv concern. it's why several national news outlets,na including nbc news, y they've sued for access to that very footage. but getting election deniers like mike lindell, getting them mad at you and just one can of worms. tucker carlson having exclusive access to this footage is concerning because we have a pretty good idea what he might do with it and it's not great. he's already released a three part documentary series entitled

patriot purge, that pushed the idea the january 6th attack was a false flag operation. if you're worried at this point who could possibly be worse to give thisly access to, well i mn probably mike lindell because he is angry at tucker carlson because lindell wants the footage for himself presumably to push whatever bonkers narrative he thinks isrs pressi. remember he once claimed he had evidence that would put $300 million in jail for life because of imagined election fraud. and he said he's going to sue kevin mccarthy for access to the footage, which is, thanks, kevin mccarthy. now, after dodging reporters interest days today speaker mdaccarthy finally agrooed to answer reporters questions about his questionable decision. >> can you explain this decision to hand over the video to tucker

carlson? >> you've had videos for more than two years. i didn't hear anybody concerned about that when cnn was given exclusive. >> you have letters from all of our news organization asking for the same video. >> have you ever had an exclusive? so he'll have an exclusive. >> tucker will have an exclusive and then the rest of the country will get to see it said the speaker of the house of representatives. what's the big deal there? the number two house republican majority leader steve scalise also took questions on this topic today. his take amounted to, well, the january 6th committee released video. >> is there concern as much as there's a desire around transparency around rethis, arod security information of releasing thisor footage?

>> of course if you watchas wha the january i 6th committee did under speaker pelosi they actually released a lot of video veryof sensitive. they literally released video of vice president pence exiting the capitol showing the route he takes. ultimately speaker mccarthy is talking about going through and what gets released is going to be scrutinized. >> okay, all the material shown by the january 6th committee, that was done in consultation with the u.s. capitol police. a staffer with direct knowledge of the process told nbc news that the committee worked with a capitol police representative to makee sure the surveillance footage ifur released to the public would, quote, not compromise their security posture. itur remains to be seen what sa guards house republicans put in place as far as fox news access, and we now know they have other plans for what they want to do with it. but here's the headline from

kyle cheney and politico today. house gop moving to let january 6th defendants access capitol security footage. cheney writes house republicans are moving to provide defendants inov january 6th related cases access to thousands of hours of inarnl capitol security footage. according to congressman barry loudermilk, the republican who chairs the subcommittee with jurisdiction over that material, it is our intention to make availableio any relevant information. which is quite a statement of principles. first tucker carlson, then the january 6th defendants and then maybe you guys. i mean, hey, what could go wrong here? you might remember last summer "the new york times" did an incredible"t investigative vide piece showing just how

instrumental the fare right mulegsa group the proud boys were in breaching the capitol on january 6th. it showed not only were they organized and using predetermined strategies to use access points to break t into t capitol, but "the times" also showed hundreds of proud boys had met at the capitol in the early morning hours on january 6th to get a lay of the land. can you imagine what a group like that might do with footage like this, security footage from every camera in the capitol. politico reports today that a liar for one of the proud boys who is by the way charged can seditious conspiracy in the attack, his lawyer has asked prosecutors to determineed whetr they will also be able to access this footage. joining us now is kyle cheney, senior legal affairs committee for politico.

kyle, thanks for being here. we're talking by current estimation 44,000 hours of footage. is this a feasible plan to give the defendants in the january 6th i trials access to this footage? >> well, look, the january 6th defendants have had access to about 14,000 of these hours for almost aes couple years now. that's important for the defense. they should have accessor to footage that's relevant to the riot and what the capitol police has said is that the is footage relevant to the riot. the other 30,000 hours is basically the rest of the security footage from that entire day including from locations that have nothing to do what happened at the capitol. it remains to be seen there's anything remotely relevant to january 6vath in that footage. all told that's 4 1/2 years of

footage. you can watch it end to end before you can see it all. once you have it, it's a whole different ball game to go through it and find relevant material. that's why you're seeing a certain push for just having kevin mccarthyor release it all wholesale to the public so you can crowd source it, have thousands of people, at home detectives go thru and try and find ndsomething, but that open up as you pointed out a different can ofu worms, whichs the security riskms that might present. >> what doesth the just departmt think of all this, because they're involved in all these january 6th cases. they then would have to presumably comb through the same footage given to the defendants, right? >> they've been relatively silent. the justice department attorneys inde that case said we're takin this seriously because they have obligations under the law to provideve defendants with anythg relevant to their cases. now, they think they've done

that, but when there's another 30,000 hours of footage out there they may not have seen, they don't know what they don't about, so they're trying to wrap their head around what is in this footage and do we have to do anythingo with it in these cases? defense attorneys are still goings? to make a big fuss abou trying to access it and see it in ways that could disrupt a lot of the ongoing prosecutions. >> you mentioned the capitol police haded vetted the first traunch, 14,000t hours of this footage and said t this is the part that concerns these cases. to what degree do capitol police in consultation with capitol leadership as they make these decisions that could have dire consequences. >> they won't show exit routes for when an evacuation, emergencies, they won't show

that sensitive degree of footage. they won't allowed that to be aired on fox news. the issue is if a defense attorney reviewing the footage says i need that sensitive footage for my trial upcoming, we need to get that out there, when those interests compete ans conflict how the house is going to handle that. i think they're still figuring that particular part out. >> that would sort of be where the rubber meet the road. they would have on one hand law enforcement making its case and on the other hand january 6th defendants making their case. is that right? is that the choice they'd have to make? >> essentially. and there are ways -- the 14,000 hours out there includes some of the sensitive footage and defendants have access to it, and a lot of that you can't go out and reletes it all. they're under strict order by the courts how they can handle that material. i assume anything they could get from the house would come with

similar strings attached. for exactly what you said, it could help plan an attack, a futurean attack. >> right now we're talking about tucker carlson having access to this, january 6th having access to this. house republican leadership doesn't seem concerned about the optics of that. when does the rest of the world for example media companies who asked for this, do we have a time line might be for other people asking for this footage? >> he says he intends to make this footage available possibly as much possible to the media

immediately. letdi everyone see it and mccary said barring that really sensitive stuff i want it out there as quickly as possible. it's going to take some time to vet. he was asked if it's going to take months, and he said i hope not. i think he said in a matter of weeks he can get the cache of information published in a way that's safe. >> thanks for your great reporting andfo thanks for your time tonight. here with me now is my dear friend andme colleague jen psak and host of the upcoming show inside with jen psaki. great to see you. >> great to see you. what a story, wild. >> you're a s communications person. the idea you're out there defending the release of this footage to fox news and also arguing about what the january 6t th defendants should have access to seems like not a great

place to be in terms of messaging. >> washington that great clip speaking to garret haake, an nbc news reporter asking him as he should what about us, and he's saying haven't i given you exclusives, as if it was it's who his chief of staff was going to be. the only reason i can think of, that he would have provided this unfettered access to tucker carlson is curry favor with somebody who he has not had favorha with, somebody who has enormous audience with the exact faction ofie the party that kev mccarthy needs to curry favor with. it's also completely perplexing listening to your interview with kyle that it would take him weeks toe vet it or months. he needs weeks and months to vet it but he's going to hand it over toin tucker carlson who's advocate and booster of the insurrection. >> exactly. >> there's a lot of hypocrisy and gaslighting going on here with hissl argument.

>> and i just think it also reflects upon the republican party so poorly that the fact republicany leadership -- i kn everything has become l partisa. he's the speaker of the house ande purportedly represents th american people. >> and he wasen trying to get trump not to do this, let's remember that. he had a moment of sanity in leadership. this is about his own desperate attempt tos hold onto power. >> at all costs. >> exactly. >> literally just fulfilling his end i suppose of the devil's bargain. how should d democrats talk abo this because the biden administration isis not going t come out and talk about tucker carlson's access to this. the relationship between fox re news, the sort of dog leading its owner to borrow the metaphor,w the idea the dog ha caught the car, let's use that one, and fox news is basically issuing tiktoks to the

republicanto speaker of the hou. >> i think it's important for democrats not to get too in the weeds between kevin mccarthy and fox news. it's important to keep a it focused on what happened on january 6th which is there was anar insurrection at our capito no matter what political party you belong to or maybe you don't belong to anyone. you should find that outrageous. and rightd now there's one par, a few from one party but most democrats who are saying that's wrong and we need to stand up for democracy, we need to get to the bottom of what happened. there's only a handful of republicans who believe that. keep it focused on what happened on january 6th, how we have to prevent that from happening again and who represents standing up for democracy in the country. >> are you at all concerned this seems like a very concerted effort to reframe what happened on january 6th? >> i can just see his show now where there's so many ways to

play it and we're just giving advice to his producers at this point in time where they can play hours of tape. they could play tape of the protesters -- the insurrectionists peacefully walking for a few seconds. there's a lot of ways to frame this. and remember a majority of republicans still think joe biden wasn't the legitimately elected president. so there's an audience out there for this. that's exactly the kind of thing he could do with it. >> and i mean that's deeply problematic, is it not? the idea as you point out there's disagreement among republicans and democrats largely about what happened in the 2020 elections, whether or notth joe biden fairly won, thoh we know he did, but january 6th has proveb to be a bit of a third rail, the republicans who sort of abide by the facts and figures that the rest of the

world does don't say, you know, that was antifa fueled or the opposite, don't suggest it was a benign event. >> that's true. there is a dividing line there. >> and if carlson who has a mess of audience is able to muddy the waters and able to manipulate the footage in a way that undermines the gravity -- you were in a transition period in the biden white house. if they undermine that, i mean what does that suggest about future transfers of power? what does that suggest about the threshold we have for democracy and the preservation of it? >> i think the trump period of transfer of power or the lack thereof in that period of time was so -- it was outrageous, but it was also a uniquely horrible moment in history. i mean i was there when president obama came in and george bush was leaving. different parties, disagreement on at lot of issues including e iraq war, which was almost the biggest issue at theh time.

theyt treated us with grace. they provided us briefing materials. they worked together to deal with ake financial crisis. that is normal, and that's what it's supposed to be, so this to your point, alex, is throwing into disarray what actually should happen with the continuity of power inll the country, and adding more fuel to the fire of people in this country who don't believe joe biden was legitimately elected, who believe a lot of these conspiracy theories which frankly tucker carlson and others are guilty of pushing even if we know they don't believe them. >> yes, the hypocrisy, the pedaling of lies, the destruction of democracy, full stop. and we'll leave itfu there. i know you're going to be talking about all thisin and so much more on the upcoming show. i'll be watching. thank you for coming and visiting on the set. we have lots of stories to bring you tonight including new revelations in a lawsuit against

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the supreme court heard oral arguments today in two blockbuster cases challenging biden's student loan forgiveness plan as hundreds of protesters gathered outside the building calling on the court to let the white house cancel their debt. some wait outside the building overnight, some stood in the rain all the to make sure their calls for relief were heard. one of the protest leaders said she was there because she wanted to make sure that the justices look into the eyes of borrowers. but the justices didn't have to look outside of the courtroom today to look into the eyes of a borrower. they could have turned to someone on the bench. justice clarence thomas was once suffering from what he called the crushing weight of student loans. thomas wrote law school students suggest he declare bankruptcy because of the staggering burden of his student loans. when he was nominated to the federal bench in 1999 thomas still had 10,000 of student

loans to pay off. $10,000, which is exactly the amount of debt biden's plan would forgive for non-pell grant recipients. his comments today sounded pretty skeptical of the biden plan and he was not alone in that apparent skepticism. justice neil gorsuch was fixated on the idea of fairness, whether the biden plan was fair. what i think they argue that is missing is costs to other persons in terms of fairness. for example, people who have paid their loans, people who have planned their lives around not seeking loans, and people who are not eligible for loans in the first place and that a half a trillen dollars is being diverted to a one group of favored persons over others. one group of favored persons over others. if you help one group you are somehow harming the others. that seems to be the argument. here's the thing, it is true that studies show biden's plan

would give 74% of forgiveness to households with incomes below $82,000. those families are in the bottom 60% of wage earners, but it is also true that the cost of college has been on the rise for decades now for everyone, and average earnings for young adults in their 20s have failed dramatically to keep up. it is also true that the united states total student it debt has been rising for decades and currently tops $1.7 trillion. at this rate experts expect it to pass $3 trillion by 2035, which is just a massive volume of national debt and impacts the entire country. biden officials say one of the reasons they launched this plan is address the growing crisis and decrease the likelihood about 18 million borrowers at

risk of defaulting on their loans, to reduce the risk of those borrowers defaulting on their payments. what would a default of that scale mean for the economy, for all of us whether we have student loans or not? i know exactly the person i should ask. joining us now my friend and expert and author of "the sum of us" what racism costs everyone and how we can prosper together. a new adaptation for readers was released last week. heather, my friend, this gets to the core of the thesis you so brilliantly and urgently articulate in the book which is a notion of zero-sum politics. you've got a lot of debt being amassed that is not a stabilizing force in the american economy. why do we keep looking through the lens of us versus them? >> this is a very right-wing way of looking at the world. you saw the conservative justice

saying what about the small business owner with the business who took out a small business loan, why is that not available for student loan cancellation? mind you that could be eligible for bank loans, ppp, but thankfully the idea most americans reject that we somehow don't live in an intern related society. if you're a lawn care business owner don't you actually want people to buy a home? and we know there's a direct correlation between the amount of debt a family takes on and their inability to purchase a home. we've seen starter homes among young americans keep falling and falling partly because of the student loan debt. if you have student loan debt you are less likely to save for retirement, start a business, you often put aside marriage, right? this is no way to run a country. and a super majority of the country agrees.

62% according to data i just saw of voters actually think this is a good idea. this zero-sum story that says resent what your neighbor has, "a" it's very racialized. we saw the images of who was organized in front of the courthouse steps, right? most -- there's a disproportionate amount of black and brown borrowers, which absolutely has to do with the racial welt gap of explicitly racist policy that stopped an intergenerational wealth transfer for most of the 20th century to the point where today the average black college graduate has less wealth, alex, than the average white high school dropout. >> yeah. >> this is one of those things we're saying to the brightest generation, the most diverse generation in american history do all the things we're telling you to do and just do it with 20, $30,000. >> can you bring the graph back up, the one that shows the

earnings of those in their 20s and the debt amassing. it's shocking. that's it. back when clarence thomas was getting crushed under that student debt that was the '80s. look at the gap there and look at it now. that is staggering. you can't run a country like that. you can't expect people to ever get out from behind that. by the way, we used to help people. this is an important point you bring up in the book that i mention is out in the young adult version now. public commitment for college for all was a crucial part of the white social contract for much of the 20th century. in 1976 state governments provided 6 out of every $10 of the cost of students attending colleges. when the college meant white, public college thrived. that is no longer case. ensuring college affordability fell out of favor with lawmakers. when it was white people going to college the government would share the burden. when it became people of color going to college, the government

sounds less interested in sharing that burden. >> that's exactly what's at the root of this problem. i call it drained pool politics, the idea we have these flourishing public goods that created the middle class but they were largely for whites only. and in the wake of the civil rights movement you began to see this sort of repeal of all that social contract, a draining of the pools, literally but also figuratively with public goods like free college, which frankly most of the members of college actually -- we did this study where we looked at the members of congress they were paying hundreds of dollars in tuition, and now of course it's tens of thousands of dollars a year in tuition at the same schools. and that's because we have not kept up the promise that having an educated citizenry is important to our economy, it helped today create the american century, and all the research and innovation that we just sort

of take for granted as part of the american birthright, as we're falling behind in global competitiveness, because our young people are saddled with debt where our peer economies are looking what we did in the '50s and rep luicating it. >> like we'll take america but seven years ago. you have the us versus them narrative and the anti-elite nar positive, which is you don't need no college degree, you don't need to go to the elite institutions. your stats say 62% of the country, but there is a sharp partisan divide on this. and i wonder if there's any way of bringing back some part of the gop that understands education and the crushing debt. >> there's a lot of playacting around populism on this issue. ron desantis he went -- >> and harvard. >> education for me and not for you, right?

but fundmentally most working class families if you ask them do you want your kid to go to college, they will say, yes, right? because that is a core part of the american dream. and we have so many jobs that are working class jobs today that have some college including community college, which used to be free and which the biden administration would like to be free and is not today, and people go to community college and get tens of thousands of dollars in debt. so i do think this is not a sort of plain and simple college educated verses not issue. the average income of where the majority of student loan debt applicants, relief applicants were, you know it's like less than $50,000 a year. we're talking about working class communities that, of course, if you just think about it for just a second had to borrow to go to college because they didn't have a trust fund

and intergenerational wealth to rely on. that's who's hurting the most, and the american government needs to invest in the future. >> oh, american government. read this book, american government, "the sum of us." my friend, thank you for your time. the book is out so your children can read it before they go to college. we have more of for you tonight including more tidbits from fox news reporting to show that skepticism from trump's lie went all the way to the top despite whatever fox was pulling on its own air. plus florida governor ron desantis is offering a blueprint to turn the rest of the country into florida. stay with us. f the country into florida stay with us

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here is how rupert murdoch, the head of a news corporation which was fox news parent company, here's how he described president trump's election conspiracy just a few days after the 2020 election and i, quote, b.s. and damaging. murdoch went onto say some fox news hosts didn't just give airtime to trump conspiracies, they endorsed them. that is all according to newly unsealed court documents in an ongoing $1.6 billion dominion voting systems defamation lawsuit against fox news. after already learning that in private fox news hosts called the election fraud claims total b.s., we now have evidence that

that belief was also held at the very top of the media empire and a once invincible media mogul is now finding himself and empire under assault after a series of bombshell revelations courtesy of the ongoing litigation. this latest filing shows us the unprecedented and usually cozy relationships between fox news and the gop. for starters we learned that during trump's campaign murdoch provided jared kushner with confidential information about joe biden's ads and debate strategy before those ads were to become public. that coziness extended well beyond the president's inner circle. there was also murdoch's relationship to top republicans in congress. murdoch testified he called then senate majority leader mitch mcconnell after the investigation and told investigators it was, quote, probably true he urged other leaders to urge other republican leaders to refuse to endorse the

conspiracy theories and baseless claims of fraud. while mr. murdoch was in close contact with the highest levels of the gop he also privately did not want to, quote, antagonize donald trump. and then the media mogul ran into a big problem. the court filing details how following trump's election loss, he told fox executives the network was, quote, under water with viewership declining. rupert's son, fox corporation executive chairman, testified the drop in viewership will, quote, keep him awake at night. confronted with polling showing fox's drop ipfavorability executives were warned, quote, clear and decisive action was needed to regain the trust they were losing with their core audience. and while fox news chief himself believed trump's claims of election fraud were total b.s., the network continued to allow election conspiracy theorists to spread disinformation all over its air. according to dominion's filing that was motivated in large part

by profit. this is nbc news with a summary. murdoch asked why he continued to allow my pillow ceo mike lindell to make election fraud claims on fox news said it was a business decision. it was not red or blue, it was green. fox news said the lawsuit is baseless and an all out assault on the first amendment. there is still more to come tonight including a trip to desantis world, which if governor ron desantis gets his way may just be expanding well beyond florida. that's next. e expanding well beyond florida that's next. i wish that shaq was my real life big brother. what's up, little bro? turns out, some wishes do come true. and it turns out the general is a quality insurance company that's been saving people money for nearly 60 years. for a great low rate, and nearly 60 years of quality coverage- go with the general. before dexcom g6, my diabetes was out of control. and i was tired.ars of quality coverage- not having the energy to do the things that i wanted to do.

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it is a big day for florida governor ron desantis. his new book "the courage to be free, florida's blueprint for america's revival" out today has become a top seller on amazon. as its title suggests this book is a sort of how-to guide with chapters titled laboratories of democracy, the covid-19 pandemic and the magic kingdom of woke corporatism. it's also seen as the governor's literary nod toward a 2024 presidential run. this morning governor desantis played coy about any ambitions while on fox and friends to promote his book. >> i have a big legislative session to come up, and i praed

promises to folks and we're going to deliver a lot of the wins over the next few months. >> and florida republican lawmakers are not wasting any time to get started. they're filing a bill today that would restrict the use of pronouns in schools by requiring them to match the assigned identity of the person being described. they've also filed a bill that would eliminate the state's democratic party by directing the florida division of elections to immediately cancel the filings of a political party to include its registration and approved status as a political party if the party's platform has previously advocated for or been in support of slavery or involuntary servitude, and that because southern democrats, of course, advocated for and defended slavery during the civil war. it's not exactly clear that these specific bills are backed by governor desantis, but at least some florida republicans seem to think in the current atmosphere it's worth putting their names on them. and they come as the impact of other desantis actions are beginning to take effect.

this was the campus in new college in sarasota, florida, earlier today before a board of trustees meeting. students gathered to protest against the board members appointed by governor desantis earl ier this year. just yesterday governor desantis capped off his plan to punish disney world for speaking out against his don't say gay bill by signing a bill into law that revokes disney world's self-governing status and allowdize santis to appoint his political donors including the co-founder of the conservative group moms for liberty, he can appoint them now to a five member board that will be responsible for the government services that district provides in its theme parks. the board will oversee infrastructure projects like road maintenance and sewage treatments which all sounds, you know, fairly normal, but "the washington post" notes that

governor desantis has another use in mind for this board. desantis suggested monday he's also expecting the board to act as a sort of moral arbiter for the company desantis has described as a woke burbank corporation that is trying to inject woke ideology on children. disney world. joining us now is florida state representative anna eskomane. i know you've been very involve in all of this or at least the push back on a lot of it. let's first start with disney and the degree to which you think the governor is trying to weaponize state oversight to effectively cancel disney culture as it were. >> thanks so much for having me, alish. and so much what governor desantis does is fake populism. as he talks about ending the corporate kingdom, he's been giving out billions of dollars in tax breaks to the wealthiest

corporations, walt disney world included. he's done nothing to close corporate loopholes. and in fact i've filed legislation to do just that. in the case of reedy creek, the governor's ability to appoint all five members and as you noted feeding into extremism, also crony capitalism just highlights that he really isn't a guy touch on corporate actors, he actually just wields culture wars to his favor while continuing to give corporations the tax breaks that really they care the most about. >> can i just say -- this seems like a detail but important that the governor was married at disneyland, right? the mouse looms large in the state of florida. i've got to ask you as a floridian, i know he's sort of framing this as man versus a corporate megalith, but disney is pretty popular in the state of florida, isn't it how does this play with residents in the state he's the governor of?

>> oh, absolutely. it is not something that locals approve. in fact, when he talked to disney workers overwhelmingly they're concerned about the new five-person board especially knowing just the extremism of some of the members. the new chairman is a mega donor to desantis. he's given him $50,000 just a year ago. you talk to workers they want to love who they want to love, want disney to continue to support issues pertaining to equality. the only reason why disney spoke out in support of lgbtq plus kids is because their cast members demanded they do so overwhelmingly. so his behavior might appeal to a conservative base as he tries to out-trump trump, but it certainly does not appeal to the majority of floridians who might not always vote in every election but do see the costs of rent going up, and they see desantis attacking disney, just a complete lack of prioritization and desire to

create chaos instead of calm. >> i was in florida this weekend visiting the campus of new college. we'll have more on that later. there's a ton of fear what could happen to that institution and other institutions around the country if the governor is successful in his efforts to in effect overhaul the curriculum, the teaching staff, and the student body. is he going to be successful ini think there's other legislation that could give him even more power in terms of advancing. >> well, you've got it are, alex. thank you for coming to florida and coming to new college because though new college is small college it is mighty. and students, alumni, faculty are fighting back and serving as the cainary in the coal mine because what happened to new college can happen to any one of our state universities. and if desantis were to become the president of the country what happens to universities across florida? what i stressed at the rally today at new college and stressed to all my students in

state universities and colleges that every culture war is class war. and what desantis really is doing is degrading public education so that those of us like myself who kbru up as the working class of immigrants and wasn't for public education, i wouldn't be here right now. you won't have young people who won't have free thought and allow the status quo to remain the same, which is his end goal, which is why we have to fight back regardless of how difficult the battle is. >> former -- not former, current florida state representative ana eskomani in the trenches. education is the ladder to mobility. thank you for your time so much. really appreciate it. we'll be right back. appreciatet we'll be right back. - nothing beats it. new pronamel active shield actively shields the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a gamechanger for my patients- it really works.

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