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to religious bias. frantic search for survivors, the latest on a fiery and fatal train crash that left at least 36 people dead and 66 hospitalized in greece. an inside look at intelligence on the mysterious so called havana syndrome, and what caused it. but first, that new video just in of the murdaugh murder crime scene and the same scene the jurors toured this morning, and closing arguments are set to resume just about 20 minutes from now. our nbc news reporters are here following all the latest developments, and we begin with what has truly been a fascinating day at the murdaugh murder trial. ellison barber is outside the courthouse for us. i know you've had a little bit of a chance to sift through some of the footage of the crime scene. what does it tell you? what might the jurors have learned from being there? >> reporter: they were able to see and we see in moments of
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this video the pool reporter when the press was able to see what the jury saw outside pointing out exactly where paul murdaugh was laying, where maggie murdaugh's body was laying, and also just a general sense of where everything is positioned. you see right now, we're looking at what are the dog kennels. remember, that is where that snapchat video that's been referred to as the kennel snapchat video, the one that puts alec murdaugh at kennels, prior to maggie and paul murdaugh being killed. that's where this was taken inside, and then this point, this is the area or outside this if it moves a bit more, at some point, you'll see someone walking, pointing, we're not there yet, but where maggie murdaugh was found. you see the woman in the dress walking out of what is the feed room, that right there, the space kind of where she is standing there is where paul murdaugh's body was laying face down inside the feed room. that's something that the jurors surely are paying attention to.
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we know at least one juror at the scene was standing in the doorway looking up and looking all around in the feed room because the defense argued that from what their forensic pathologists say happened in terms of a gunshot wound on paul murdaugh's head, what they say is a contact wound, the state says is an exit room, which would impact the positioning that would mean the shooter was inside the feed room, and they say there's no one someone of alec's size could have maneuvered around that easily. the thing to remember is the feed room and what we're seeing all of this, it doesn't look like it did that night. there were a number of dogs there. the feed room itself, and i was going back and looking at photos entered in evidence of the feed room that night. there were bags of what looks like dog feed or animal feed all underneath kind of the desk top area that surrounded the work space area, the tabletops, there
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was also a big fan there sort of in an area where someone would be standing as well as a number of crates that were stacked up near the window there. so things looked very different today than it did that night. that's something the state had brought up about why they weren't asking for a jury viewing at all, and why they thought this wasn't necessary. so much has changed from the feed room to trees that are now there between where the nan main house is and the dog enamel kennels. it looks very different when you see it in person, when you get a sense of that space. remember the prosecution has said they believe paul murdaugh was shot first and that maggie murdaugh was moving toward the gunshot sound when she was shot and killed. >> ellison barber, thank you so much, your knowledge is so helpful, and again, we are waiting for those closing arguments to resume. in the meantime, let's talk
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about the frantic search for survivors happening right now in greece after two trains collided head on killing at least 36 people. nbc's matt bradley has more for us. matt. >> reporter: rescue workers are holding out hope, and still searching for survivors of this crash. it's hard to believe when you see these pictures that anybody could possibly survive after seeing that kind of wreckage, but, you know, we saw just a couple of weeks ago in turkey and in syria where people were being pulled out hours and days after they were nearly crushed to death in those earthquakes. so it's possible, but it looks as though we already have a very high death toll, and rescue workers say it's very likely that the death toll is going to go up, and again, we're already talking about the deadliest train accident, arguably, possibly, in greece's history, and we're starting to see a lot of political blame going around. we're seeing that the transport minister resigned. he said he was taking full responsibility for the tragedy, and police have already arrested
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the station master of a nearby train station. a lot of victims were wondering how two trains were allowed to speed towards each other, reportedly for 12 minutes before they collided. it looks like there's going to be a lot of blame, and heads may have to roll before we see the end of this crisis. chris. >> matt bradley, thank you to that. newly declassified intention -- intelligence on what caused the havana syndrome. ken dilanian has that story for us. this has been quite the mystery for many months, what do we know now? >> i remember you and i talking about it years ago. this is as definitive a product from the u.s. intelligence committee as you get. a two-hour briefing where top intelligence officials answered every question about this. what they found is no evidence to support what had been a long standing hypothesis which was that some of these mysterious symptoms suffered by as many as
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1,500 u.s. spies and diplomats around the world were the result of an attack with a weapon of some kind from a foreign adversary. they found no evidence of that, and in fact, they found evidence to the contrary. a leading suspect was russia. they implied that there was reporting or intercepts from adversaries, including possibly russia, expressing puzzlement about these claims, and wondering whether this was a u.s. disinformation campaign, and they found no evidence of any development of a weapon using microwave energy or any other kind of energy which could have caused a really diverse group of symptoms. they investigated intensively, chris. wherever there was a scene of a potential attack overseas, they cordoned the area, looked for every possible electronic signal, every person there, and no connection to foreign adversaries. what they do say could have caused this, they don't have any
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one explanation, natural factors, preexisting medical conditions and a social environment in which u.s. diplomats and spies thought they were under attack and peceived anything they feel symptom wise. >> ken dilanian, fascinating stuff. thank you so much, and thank you for bringing us what you learned in that two hours. let's go to ali vitale on capitol hill, going hard at merrick garland. lindsey graham said he deserves a purple heart for sitting and taking it for all of this time. give us your sense of what's happening today and what have we heard in the last couple of hours? >> reporter: we're a far cry from where the hearing began a few hours ago. senator lindsey graham said i'm going to start by finding cone
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census here. here's senator josh hawley pressing him on perceived biases against religious institutions, watch. >> the fbi field office in richmond on the 23rd of january this year issued a memorandum in which they advocated for, and i quote, the exploration of new avenues for trip wire and source development against traditionalist catholics. attorney general are you cultivating sources and spies in latin mass parishes and other parishes around the country. >> the justice department does not do that. it does not do investigations on religion. i saw the document. it's appalling. i'm in complete agreement with you. i understand that the fbi has withdrawn it, and is now looking into how this could have ever happened. >> how did it happen? >> that's what they're looking into? >> how many informants do you
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have across catholic churches in america? >> i don't believe we have any informants in catholic churches. >> this justice department is targeting catholics, people of faith, specifically for their faith views. mr. attorney general, i'll say to you, it's a disgrace. >> reporter: that's just one of many exchanges and frankly many topics, chris, that the attorney general covered in the past few hours on capitol hill. it makes sense given it's the first time he's testified here in over a year, and of course it comes in the period of time where those documents were found at mar-a-lago, at the current president from when he was vice president, biden's home and office as well as former vice president mike pence, but there were also issues touched upon like the ticket master hearing as well as many other topics, garland certainly earning his stripes here today, fielding a whole number of questions on a wide spectrum of issues from senators. >> ali vitale. we are staying close to the murdaugh trial courtroom, and we'll take you there live when
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closing arguments resume, which should happen in about ten minutes from now. first, president biden's 2024 messaging, let's focus on he's given to the american people, and maybe more on what republicans could take away. we'll talk about that. plus, house speaker kevin mccarthy digging in after handing over a massive trove of january 6th security footage to fox news. how house republicans might try to take it a step further. you're watching "chris jansing reports" reports, only on msnbc. g reports" reports, only on msnbc. t -to go bowling with us tonight? -yeah. no. there's my little marzipan! [ laughs ] oh, my daughter gives the best hugs! we're just passing through on our way to the jazz jamboree. [ imitates trumpet playing ] and we wanted to thank america's number-one motorcycle insurer -for saving us money. -thank you. [ laughs ] mara, your parents are -- exactly like me? i know, right? well, cherish your friends and loved ones. let's roll, daddio! let's boogie-woogie! did you know, some ordinary cold medicines can raise your blood pressure?
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. house republicans taking the fight over january 6th security footage one step further today. kevin mccarthy is not only defending his decision to hand over 44,000 hours of that video exclusively to fox news host tucker carlson, we're now learning republicans are moving to give that footage to january 6th defendants in ongoing criminal cases, according to
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"politico." nbc news and others have asked for access to the videos, still no word from mccarthy on exactly when we might get it. >> you have letters from all of our news organizations asking for the same video. >> have you ever had an exclusive? i see it on your networks all the time. you have an exclusive, i'll give it out to the entire country. >> you're not at all concerned about the fact that carlson down played the attack. you thought it was a very serious attack on the capitol. why would you give it to someone who down play it had. >> i don't care what side of the issue you're on. that's why i think putting it out for the american public, you can see the truth. >> joining us "politico" senior reporter, kyle cheney, legal analyst, charles coleman, a former prosecutor. everyone accused of a crime in this country deserves due process which includes access to evidence which may be used to
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prove their guilt or innocence. tell us a little bit more about the argument they're making there? >> so, i mean, look, as a general matter, he's correct, and if there was relevant evidence to their defenses in this footage, they should have the right to see it. the issue is that the justice department has already obtained about 14,000 hours from the capitol police, surveillance footage and have been told that's the only the other 33,000 thundershowers is stuff withheld, but in the capitol police's view, they have turned over the relevant stuff, so this is 30,000 hours probably of a lot of nothing, empty hallways, cameras in buildings that weren't even near the capitol. the question is what is in this extra footage that people haven't seen before, will they find anything of value, i don't know the answer. and you can't really without going through it all. i think the idea that this is
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just somehow withheld from the defendants to prejudice them in their criminal cases, that's a stretch, regarding what they have had access to. >> you and i don't know what's in the footage they haven't seen yet but is there a question of precedent here that now no one else is going to get to decide in sensitive cases, sensitive materials what's relevant and what isn't. you decide. we give you everything, and you decide what's relevant, and what's not. >> chris, this is a case of political grand standing in a round about way, to set the stage in this manner, you used a great word, precedent. what it does in future situations is creates a space that allows this sort of material to flow through the public atmosphere, and it really influences the court of public opinion at a high level. what people have to understand is the evidence, the things that you see, the things that you may believe are relevant may or may not be put in front of a
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jury. your understanding as a layperson of what is relevant at a trial, that people will use, chain of custody issues, all sorts of issues that come into place, as to why we will use something, why something makes sense to have in court, if it's been in the public atmosphere that you might not understand, this is going to create a ness, particularly because of the precedent it will establish. >> part of the mess may be, according to democrats, we have heard this from senate majority leader chuck schumer that the release of the footage could create security issues. do they have anything to say about any of this? >> a lot of the footage has come out in ongoing court cases. many clips have come out in trials or other court proceedings. what the capitol police is most concerned about is a wide release of massive amounts of footage because that would enable bad actors, including foreign intelligence services to glean information about vulnerabilities in the capitol. and so that, i think, is why the
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department has been opposed to these sort of wide releases. now, mccarthy hasn't said he's going to release all of this widely to everyone, and if he ever does, it would probably be with restrictions. he does say he wants to release a large amount publicly, so the question is how will they balance that line between security and transparency on that? >> kyle cheney, always good to have you. thank you so much for coming on the program. so, charles, any moment now we're going to get the closing arguments in the murdaugh murder trial. so one of the key issues here has been from very early in this, and if you go online, there's all sorts of conversations, but it's motive, right? jurors want to know, is there a reason why he would do this? especially in a case that's largely circumstance. here's part of the argument. >> we talked about quickly, gathering storm in alec's life,
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we talked about the family legacy. you heard how important that was to him, and how important that was to this family and how it was in danger because of the boat case. criminal charges as well as the civil charges. that legacy was in danger, and it was threatening also to expose him for who he really was, which would totally destroy his part of that legacy. lose his career, lose his bar license, face consequences like he's never seen. >> how is he doing with establishing a motive here? >> he's doing fine with establishing a motive. he's doing extremely poorly with establishing a believable, credible, good motive that's going to be persuasive to a jury. chris, when you are trying a case, you are presenting two different narratives. the prosecution is presenting one narrative, which wants to paint the defendant in a light
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which is most favorable to them, and ultimately result in a conviction. the defense is trying to paint a different narrative that shows the defendant in a different light and discredits what the prosecution is trying to do or, b, cast aspersions to the point of reasonable doubt on the narrative that the prosecution has presented. in this case, the issue from the start has been the prosecution has not been able to construct a credible narrative that would establish a good motive around why he may have done this. everything that you just heard about him being this embattled person, finance, issues of substance abuse does not lead to the conclude he kills his wife and son. when you have a case, as you said, when you're dealing with circumstantial evidence, the motive has to be the glue that ties together the pieces. in this case, the prosecution simply has not done that.
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>> many years ago, i was covering a complex murder trial, more than 75 witness, more than 80 now have taken the stand. 800 photographs, reports and exhibits have been presented. what he said to me, the more complicated the trial, the clearer and more focused your closing argument has to be. >> absolutely. >> what are you going to watch for when the defense gets its turn? >> well, one of the things i'm going to do is i'm going to watch how the defense basically attacks the narrative. i want to see how the defense essentially basically says to the jury, listen, what you've heard doesn't make sense, and it doesn't make sense because the truth is very straightforward. i've used that very much so in a number of different arguments. i have said, the truth is simple. it's clear and it's straightforward, and part of the reason that the prosecution has has this convoluted, complicated case, is because they can't tie it together in a way that ultimately may result in a conviction. i doubt they will get it here, and it's largely in part because of their inability to make it simple for the jury and make it
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plain. >> i guess what he's saying, well, this guy has on opioid addiction. he's a liar, somebody who has incredible financial pressures, all of that is true, but you have to be able to show, don't you, one of those or some combination of those leads someone to become a murderer of his own family. >> the idea is he had these problems. the problem that they have with the narrative is what you are offering or accusing him of having done is not a solution to any of the problems that you've identified him having. yes, he was a liar. yes, he was a thief. yes, he was embattled financially, but killing his wife and son don't solve any of that, and the idea that it was going to create a distraction that was going to help him get out of the situation or create some sympathy, is not enough, i believe, to persuade the jury for a unanimous conviction. >> charles coleman, always great having a conversation with you. thank you very much. as we wait for the jury to come back, president biden, as we
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the jury is back from lunch break at the alec murdaugh murder trial. creighton waters, continuing the prosecution's closing statements. let's listen. >> years prior to these murders and that a replacement without a thermal scope was bought in april of 2018. three blackouts that the defendant purchased, could only account for one of them, and it's this third blackout which is the one that's at issue. you heard from paul's friend will loving. and first of all, let me say this, you heard the defendant in his various statements, he's very concerned about saying that there's no -- they didn't have a blackout. there was no blackout along with
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them, even though he said we were out looking for hogs. you heard from law partners, yeah, you can look for hogs in the daytime. very very concerned early on in the statements saying they didn't have the blackout, they just had a .22 pistol. he also said eventually, he's like, well, i think i replaced it, well, i guess i replaced it. i'm certain i replaced it. very vague and fuzzy about this third blackout and told the friends, paul's friends, one of whom, both of whom testified, but will loving in particular, and what did will loving say, the defendant said the guy went missing around christmas time. will loving said, no, i was with paul in turkey season which is in the spring. are i was with paul at turkey season and we sat on the steps outside the house that y'all
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went to told, right on that side entrance that goes into the gun room, and if you look down, you can see how they were digging a pond, and how you could fire in that area, and they set up some targets to site it in, and we were shooting that other gun, we were shooting that other gun, it had a red dot site on it, not a thermal dot, but they were shooting it in and citing it in with the tan gun. and what did jeff kroft who testified before you find right there? weather casings, weathered cases right where will said he and paul were shooting that gun just a couple of months prior to the
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murders. s and b grain blackout rounds and those rounds and empty boxes, pictures in evidence, rounds in evidence were found all over that property. s and b, 147 grain blackout. there were full clips found. there were empty boxes found. and there were also cases found, s and b 147 grain blackout rounds found across the street at their shooting house. two separate locations on the property. what's really important goes back to what will said. i was with paul when we shot that replacement gun right there, right there. and you heard forensic scientist paul greer testify that the six cases, items 2 through 7, the six cases found around maggie that killed her were loaded
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into, extracted and ejected through the same firearm that fired those weather cases right outside the door where you all wen to today, and at the shooting range across the street. a family blackout killed maggie. it was present just a couple of months prior to the murders, and it's gone now. it's gone now. a family weapon the defendant cannot account for killed maggie. but what about the shotgun?
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the 12-gauge shotgun that was loaded with one federal double off buck, and one dry lock, number two steel shot. well, first of all, you heard that the two weapons that paul often favored and often carried were this shotgun right here and the blackout. those were his two guns, his favorite guns, aside from his deer rifle. the defendant had that gun with him when daniel green, the first deputy on the scene showed up. and shot guns, as you heard, are a little bit different than
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rifles. and the conclusion there was that the two fired shells that were inside the feed room that killed paul had class characteristics similar with that, super black eagle 3. but insufficient at individual identifying marks to either match or exclude it that shotgun right there. but what else did you hear about the shot guns? paul had this super black eagle 3. that was his gun. will loving, roten all identified that as paul's gun, the one that alec had. it's got maggie's dna and blood on the receiver. you heard from the dna expert.
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and it was loaded with a 12-gauge, and a 16-gauge misloaded round. what else did you hear? you also heard about the black eagle 2. and you heard from nolan and nathan that this was buster's gun, this was the super black eagle 2 that had the mojo stick other than it. and that was recovered during sled's search of the residence the next day. what else did you hear? you heard from nathan and nolan that the defendant's favor gun was a super black eagle 1. do you remember nathan going through each one of these guns, and how knowledgeable he was as
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to the differences between them? sled search moselle for every 12 gauge, no super black eagle 1. family weapons. family weapons killed these victims. and on top of that, just like the s and b 147, while not a much but there in evidence, federal double alt buck and the winchester dry lock, steel two shot, rounds were recovered at various locations on the property. what does that mean? we started, talked about motive, means. the defendant had the means to commit these crimes. crimes.
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at the beginning of the case, i talked to you about some of the evidence that you would hear, and i held up my cell phone. and there's been a lot of that evidence, but the last witness you heard in the state's case in chief was peter rudolphsky, and he went through that time line, and what does it show, motive
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means opportunity. opportunity to commit the crime. and what does this time line show? these are all of the information that various sources of information that were in this time line and let's look at what it shows. first thing right here is that the defendants arrived at moselle at 6:42. now, i'll say one thing, you've heard a lot of testimony about what he said about times, what time he got home, what time he went to the office, how long he was at alameda. certainly people can have some variability in assessing that. he almost never was right. almost never was right. 6:42, he arrives at moselle.
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paul, according to his extraction, gets there about 7:04. and about 7:03, we see the defendant stops registering on his phone. and then over the next 30 minutes or so, we see a sim trim of the steps between paul's phone and alec's phone as he walks the property. at 7:49, we have creation of a snapchat video that has the clothes on him. when that ultimately was recovered and you saw the interview that was shown to the defendant who provided his clothes that night, and the
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first time then he started talking about changing his clothes. we'll talk more about that later. again, 7:55 to 8:05, we have some symmetry with the steps. we have paul murdaugh's battery life, and you heard from the experts that have reviewed paul's usage, that like many kids his age, he's constantly flirting with it being low. that doesn't stop him from using it, and you see that in the evidence in this case as well. 7:56, again, that's when paul sends the snapchat to his friends. and then at 8:08 we see paul leave the kennel area at 8:06, and 8:08, make his way down to the residence.
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8:05 to 8:09, around that time that paul is getting there at 8:08, that's the last activity on alec's phone, and it's the last step activity until 9:02, which we'll talk about in a minute. alec's phone pretty much goes with no activity for that time period. and also he has no cell activity from 6:52 to 9:04, which is right in the time period we'll talk about in a little bit. so you heard the defendant talk about eating dinner. paul was at that residence, if you look right here, from 8:14, down to 8:35, and again, that time line exhibit, there's a big one and a condensed one, and all of this is in there in evidence for all of you to look at. he's at that residence from 8:14
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to 8:35. now, the defendant, again, despite having a photographic memory, a new photographic memory about things that he told y'all that people were hearing for the first time still can't remember specific things about maggie's activities as to when maggie arrived, as to what they talked about. he can remember dropping his phone down in the console, but can't remember things like that. he wants to remember things that help him try to explain to you why he never told the truth about maybe the most important thing he could tell law enforcement but he can remember very specific details. he still gets this wrong. she arrives at 8:17 at moselle. they're already there. how do we know that? because her cell phone disconnects from her mercedes at 8:17, and that's when she starts showing steps. then paul, what's he doing?
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he's still using his phone like always. we see the battery life, but he's still sending snaps, receiving snaps. he's sending to his friends, all of these friends right here. he's receiving these snaps, all during that time, from 8:17 to 8:30. continuing to communicate with his friends. using his phone like always. and then what happens? about 8:30, maggie phone registers some steps and consistent with that, consistent with her and paul going down to the kennels, riding down to the kennels, we see paul's phone start showing steps, and then down here at 8:38, he's in that
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kennel area where those dots are. if you look at that particular slide from 8:38 to 8:44, that's going to be the last gps reading on paul's phone, 8:43. you heard from rogen, that references this time line. and rogen tells you and told you from that witness stand that he was having a conversation with paul about cash and the dog's tail. they were having an active conversation about that. paul calls rogen at 8:40 and they're talking about it. and rogen says send me face time but if it doesn't work, send me a video. at 8:44, four minutes and 14
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seconds, we have right here, face time but it only lasts eleven seconds and at 8:54:45 that's when the kennel video was recorded, the last 50 seconds. at the beginning of this investigation as you'll recall the testimony, they didn't have paul's password, and couldn't get in. and you heard in the defendant's august 11th statement that when he was asked about rogen saying he may have heard alec on the phone during this time he said i'd be surprised if that was the case. law enforcement didn't have this kennel video. they didn't have this kennel video until april of 2022 when paul's phone was finally
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unlocked. and that changed everything. why did it change everything? opportunity. being at the scene of the crime when the murders occurred. opportunity. and more importantly, exposing the defendant's lies about the most important thing he could have told law enforcement. when was the last time i saw my wife and child alive. why in the world would an innocent, reasonable, father and husband lie about that and lie about it so early? he didn't know that was there. and he could always say, well, rogen must be mistaken.
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i'm surprised, not if my times were right, is what he said. rogen told you i was expecting that video right there. that was supposed to be the next thing that happened. send me the video because we were worried about cash the dog's tail. he talked about how his girlfriend was going to call a veterinarian or she had some association with one. there was an active conversation going on right then and right there. and what's going on still? paul's still also texting his friends. you might recall that an opening statement, the defense counsel said, he was texting after that video for ten minutes. it's not for ten minutes. it's for barely a minute. a minue
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down here, 8:48.58 to 8:49.01. that's the last time that paul's phone was unlocked. and what do we know? we know that the defendant was there just minutes earlier at the scene of the crime with the victims. 8:49. 01. paul's phone locks. he never sends that video to rogen. you heard him say that when he watched that video, that's the video i was supposed to receive. that is the video that my friend was supposed to send to me. and he never did.
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in fact, rogan says see if you can get a good picture, tell him to sit and stay, and he shouldn't move around too much. even though this is an active conversation with paul who you heard from multiple friends was one to respond and use a cell phone, paul never reads them. paul never reads them. what happens at 8:49.31, 8:49 for paul. maggie reads lynn's response to the group thread about mr. randolph. and then her phone locks forever. and is never unlocked again
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until it's recovered the next day. down here. 8:49 for both of them. the defendant after hearing multiple individuals of his family and friends and law partners get on the stand and listen to that video and say that's him on that video, got on the stand for the first time and will said, okay, i was there. he was forced into doing what he
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does all the time, and that's coming up with a new lie when he's confronted with evidence he can no longer deny. and the only reason he did that, the only reason he did that is because all of those witnesses at that witness stand said, yeah, that's him. he's there. why would he lie about that, ladies and gentlemen? why would he even think to lie about that if he were an innocent man? why would he even think about that, but he got on the stand and he's told you a story, and we're going to talk more about that story in a minute. his story was he didn't want to go down there, and then he went down there, and he went down there really quick, and went straight back, and he can't remember anything about what he talked about with maggie, can't remember their conversation at dinner but dag gum sure he went
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down there and went straight back. even if you give him the benefit of the doubt, his story doesn't make sense. that kennel video is 50 seconds, it's over at 8:45.45. even if you give him the benefit of the doubt that he could take care of the chicken and maybe the fastest dog and chicken chase ever and put that chicken up and not say a word to maggie and paul and get on that golf cart and drive all the way back to the house, where does that put you, it puts you right at 8:49, went inside, managed to doze for a second, then he's up at 9:02, perhaps the quickest nap ever. it doesn't make sense, ladies and gentlemen. it's a new story to fit facts he can no longer deny. from a person who not a single person who was close to him knew who he really was. not a single person close to him hadn't been lied to by this man.
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and i will submit to you this one is the most blatant one yet. we'll talk more about that in a second. what happened at 8:49? you saw the evidence from all the rest of them, clearly paul was in, the middle of that feed room, it's a kill zone. nobody in there with him. he's in that room. no defensive wounds at all. his hands are down. and he takes that shot, buck shot to the chest, and any
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person who did that probably would think, that took care of business, but for some reason, it went through. it was a million and one shot that it didn't kill him. alec thought it did. alec, the lawyer, alec the prosecutor, alec is manufacturing an alibi and also manufacturing the fact that there's two guns used but we know, unlike the expert they called from connecticut where they can't even get ars who doesn't know about people riding around on property, and paul and the two guns he likes to use, about this family, and how common those guns are together says, well, his only conclusion, it would be impractical for somebody to fire out of the club. this is him, this is alec, the prosecutor, the lawyer, he's thinking through this, he's thought through this, he's going to use two guns because it's going to confusion people that perhaps there were two shooters, but again, it doesn't make sense.
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two family weapons? but he thinks paul shot, and you heard the testimony that paul hears the feed room doorway. is alex putting down the shotgun to pick up the blackout, and is startled by paul, and that's why the angle is like that, and catches paul like that, and goes up into the ceiling, as you've heard the testimony, and blows his brains out. and what happens with maggie right here? what's the activity on maggie's phone? you heard about sandal prints. you heard from kenny kinsey about the mark on her leg, from the polaris over there by the
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overhang, next to the feed room. you've seen the diagrams and the crime scene photos, all of those cases are in that area in the doorway to the feed room and where maggie was found. you heard that maggie had no defensive wounds, you also heard paul, shot with no indication that he detected a threat from the person who fired that weapon, and why, because it was him. same with maggie, because maggie sees what happens, and she comes running over there, running to her baby. probably the last thing on her mind thinking that it was him who had done this, she's running to her baby while he's picked up the blackout, and opens fire, at close range, again with no defensive wounds and she takes those two shots that you heard the doctor say were parallel, and it crumples her over.
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and those cases, you can see them move around. takes that shot that goes through here, and she goes down flat. and then there's the shot in the back of the head. malice, is that malice, ladies and gentlemen? is that malice to do that? is that intentional harm to another with a bad intent, an evil intent to do those things? clearly i submit to you. clearly it's malicious. clearly it's malicious. malicios
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she was running to her baby. heard that shot, was running to her baby when she got mowed down by the only person that we have conclusive proof was at that scene just minutes before. and who lied about that very fact until he could no longer do it to you last week. >> alec told you he went down in the golf cart. they had their expert with the people, and all the rest of it.
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be sitting in a golf cart, he comes up in the golf cart, but what we don't see as i said before, is any activity on his phone until 9:02. the crime occurred around 8:49 to 8:53. down there at the feed room. state's exhibit 515 that davis did about the kennels and the hose and it wasn't put up the way he would put it up. if you're going to wash off real quick, what a better place to do it, the water, pictures of the water, 199 and

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