listening, learned in his years as a bartender, his life's work featured in a new book. >> should we be more empathetic? as a public? >> yeah, i think that's a tall order for a public. but i would say if the public had a chance to see what we have been watching for years, you couldn't help but be empathetic. >> harry smith, nbc news, boston. >> we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports," let's get right to it. at this hour, president biden hosting a key ally at the white house for the first time since russia's invasion of ukraine. it couldn't come at more critical time. pro russian fighters claiming to have almost completely surrounded the ukrainian city of bakhmut, calling an emergency

meeting of his national security team today. why the video feed of that quickly was stopped just after it began. alec murdaugh continues to maintain his innocence after a judge sends him to prison for life. what his defense team just told our craig melvin about an appeal. that brand new interview later this hour. and a renewed push to make daylight savings time permanent with support coming for both democrats and republicans. could we be springing ahead for good. around the globe with the latest developments, first let's start with the critical meeting between president biden and german chancellor olaf scholz. allie raffa is at the white house where we're expecting to see the two leaders any moment. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: you mentioned that this would be the third visit by chancellor scholz since he took office in 2021, but the first since the war in ukraine began over a year ago. it's also going to be the first time these two have met since we

know they both have personally met with ukrainian president zelenskyy, of course we know president biden met with him personally during that surprise visit to kyiv, and we know that chancellor scholz met him in paris, while also meeting french president macron. white house officials are saying expect the topic of ukraine and the war with russia to be front and center during this high stakes bilateral meeting these two are going to have, especially when you consider what's on the table here. they're going to talk about the aid that they've sent to ukraine so far over the last year. they're going to talk about the possible lethal aid to russia by some of russia's allies. both of these leaders have talked about their fears that china and iran are providing lethal aid to russia during this war. they're also going to talk about how they can continue to help ukraine as this war continues, as it enters this next phase. remember after a weeks long intense pressure campaign on germany, scholz finally agreed

to send those armored leopard 2 tanks, but there has been quite a delay in those tanks finally getting to ukraine in red tape, and getting them to the countries they are in in ukraine. expect that to be a topic of discussion during this meeting, in addition to the f-16 fighter jets that president zelenskyy continues to ask the u.s. and germany for. >> thank you for that. in russia, we're learning new details about putin's emergency meeting with his national security team as pro putin forces claim they're close to taking the key ukrainian city of bakhmut. nbc's matt wagner is covering this story for us. what are we hearing? >> reporter: we were all expecting vladimir putin to come out and make a series of harsh statements, in response to an alleged ukrainian, claim ago

saboteur group crossed the russian boarder and attacked two villages. claims from local officials, come contradictory, alleging they had fired on civilian, including a car with children. we quickly started to see russian officials backtrack on that, denials from kyiv that the ukrainian military had anything to do with it. none the less, president putin on television yesterday classifying this as another act of terror, a criminal act by the ukrainian regime and alluding to seize on this moment to justify another escalation. we did not see that come today, basically right off the bat this morning, we saw the kremlin take a calmer approach, at least outwardly towards yesterday's events with the kremlin spokesperson saying, yes, president putin was going to go ahead with this meeting, which was yesterday described as extraordinary. today emphasizing or at least claiming that it was a perfectly normal scheduled meeting, and we saw vladimir putin on television pop up with his national

security council saying that today they had a very important task that is to discuss counter terror measures aimed at securing critical russian sites, securing the border and then the cameras went off. i would say one interpretation of that is that vladimir putin has not yet decided what he wants to do in response to this. a lot of what we see from putin on russian television is often a very kind of calculated message. it's very calculated for the cameras. i think on the one hand, that's an obvious statement. you could say the same thing about president biden, but just the way putin works and the way his image is cultivated, you always see him doing something on television, and there's a purpose behind it. if you don't see what he's doing, usually i would interpret that as he doesn't know what message he wants to send. he needs to be seen to be doing something at the same time pointing out that yesterday's event, if kind of the details that we have been hearing turn out to be true, paints kind of an embarrassing situation for the russian border guards, and

this of course all coming at the same time that we saw the wagner chief this morning claim to have surrounded ukrainian troops in another location along the russian/ukrainian border. and kind of pushing that to a more decisive face, so certainly that's something that was on the table today at putin's meeting. >> matt, thank you for that. now we have nbc's ellison barber outside the courthouse in south carolina where alec murdaugh was put in a prison van and head for life behind bars. i understand you have a new interview and new information for us, ellison. >> reporter: hey, chris, yeah, we're getting information on what will happen with alec murdaugh next, and i'm looking over at my phone because i'm texting with a former prosecutor in this state who is familiar with the process that takes place once someone is convicted in court in this statement let me tell you what we know is going to happen to alec murdaugh, and this is from a spokesperson with the correctional facility where he is going to go to next.

she says that he will be arriving, accompanied by south carolina law enforcement this afternoon, and he will be going to kirkland correctional institution. that is where all male inmates in the state of south carolina go first. that's what the former prosecutor i was talking to was saying that that is a very standard procedure. more often than not, there is a moment where when the inmate is taken there that they are often in the cell alone, at least for a period of time while they determine whether or not they will be someone who will be put into another cell with other people. according to the spokesperson from this correctional facility, alec murdaugh will spend at least the next few days alone, in a cell, certainly tonight without any cell inmates. and they will evaluate within a few days of arrival whether or not he is someone who would perhaps have cell mates moving forward. then it gets into a longer term phase the next 30 to 45 days.

he will undergo a series of medical evaluations and mental health assessments. they say these tests are used to determine the next facility where he will likely serve his term. this spokesperson, again, with kirkland correctional, she is saying they do not think that this is ultimately where he will permanently be based but they would do a series of tests to determine where he should be placed within the system, and then things will go from there. that also means today we are expecting him to have a new booking photo, and eventually the next 24 hours or so, he will be registered on a public registry as an inmate in the state of south carolina. this has been a case that is closely watched because there are so many layers. it's been something closely watched and talked about in this part of south carolina because this family is so well known. you heard the judge say it today in the sentencing hearing, this is a family that has practiced law in this courthouse for close

to a century. alec murdaugh has tried cases here, has been involved in cases here prior to being a defendant himself, his father, grandfather, they all have as well, and far lot of people, that's why this has been so interesting. we spoke to one of the prosecution's key experts, dr. kinze. he talked about why this was something the community was paying so close attention to. listen. >> it breaks your heart to know that a dynasty, a true strong legend, a family that were looked upon as legends has ended. but i guess legends end every day. >> reporter: so again, alec murdaugh will be spending the next 24 hours at a correctional facility called kirkland. it's in columbia, south carolina, and at least tonight he will be alone in a cell without anyone around him, and he will not be allowed to have any visitors.

chris. >> ellison, thank you for that and for all of your reporting throughout there. we've got a closer look what it's like inside the jury room with a juror who served during derek chauvin's murder trial. that's later this hour. and capitol hill, there's a renewed bipartisan push to stop making you push your clocks back an hour every year. this always gets people worked up, julie, is there really a chance this change could come? >> reporter: i feel like we have some version of this conversation every year, and senator marco rubio who's a leading voice said as much on the floor last year, when this passed the chamber by unanimous consent, when some of the senators weren't quite paying attention. i'm told there's an up hill battle to get this legislation actually across the finish line in both the senate and the house, that's in large part because, look, if you're like me and you forget to turn your clocks back and forward twice a year, this could be viewed as

positive for you. there are critics. millions of school children lart of the year if daylight savings time was to be permanent. it would essentially make an extra hour of darkness in the morning. this could lead to grogginess and less productivity in the morning. on the flip side, proponents on both sides of the aisle said this could lead to less seasonal depression, more productivity and less crime in the evening hours because you do get an extra hour of sunlight at night. when this was put in place in 1918, this was to save on oil and energy in world war i. there's no need associated with that right now. proponents of the legislation are hoping it could finally be made permanent. that's not looking likely with a lot of opposition to the bill as well. looks like we'll be having the conversation again, and a quick plug, march 12th, of course, is when most of the country needs to turn their clocks back for

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right now, we're keeping a close eye on day three of cpac where the only republican who led donald trump in any meaningful poll is about to take the stage. you might remember in november of 2015, ben carson topped or tied trump in polls, albeit briefly. by december trump was back and was never challenged again. carson a quick fade by a candidate who never took trump on directly. could it be a cautionary tale for today's republicans? >> you know, he used to say how great of a governor i was, and that i win a big victory, and all of a sudden, you know, he had different opinions, and so

you can take that for what it's worth. at the end of the day, one of the reasons i have been successful as governor is i don't pay a lot of attention to the background noise. >> nbc's vaughn hillyard is live at cpac. brendan buck served as an aide to paul ryan, and max rose is with me on set. congressmen, you know, i suppose calling donald trump background noise is maybe as nasty as i've heard him get, maybe he thinks he's going to get under donald trump's skin, but do you believe that's enough for anybody who's really going to go up against donald trump? >> absolutely not. definitively, just in the last 48 hours, donald trump said that ron desantis is going to literally kill every single senior citizen in the united states of america. and that was the nicest thing he said about him this week. if ron desantis took the same level of aggression he's directed towards disney or what he calls the woke left towards donald trump, he would maybe

stand a chance. literally ron desantis and perhaps every other republican who's aspiring to be president right now is making the same exact mistake. just wishing donald trump will go away, just ignoring him until they do something, he will have a lot come 30 to 40% of the republican primary electorate, particularly if more people keep jumping in, that's a very scarey prospect. >> rich lowry wrote a piece in "politico" about this. the disinclination to engage with trump brings back memories of 2016. if it's a temporary dynamic, that's one thing. if it's another prisoners dilemma waiting for someone else to take him on, hoping to emerge unscathed in the after math, it's repeating the same mistake and expecting a different result. you were there in 2016 as was i. i actually covered the ben carson campaign, what is the

lesson? >> i mean, that is the ultimate challenge that we've run into for years now. if you are each candidate, you have no incentive to go after donald trump personally. you would love somebody else to do it. because you don't want to upset all of those millions of people who are die hard donald trump fans. the problem is, we've seen how this movie works out. there were 16 other people playing the same play. you know donald trump is going to come swinging at you, the idea that you're going to be able to go through a nomination, defeat donald trump without getting down in the mud with him is nonsensical. he's going to come swinging at you or he's going to knock you out. i understand why ron desantis doesn't want to have that conversation yet. he clearly thinks what's going on right now is working for him. even though he's not ahead in most of the polls you look at. he certainly believes that a shorter primary is better for him. if donald trump and him go after each other right now, donald trump could survive that, i understand why ron desantis is holding back, but someone like

nikki haley or mike pompeo, you don't have a chance other than to go through donald trump, no one's waiting around for donald trump to fade away. you have to realize, standing by and waiting for him to self-implode is not going to happen. >> a lot of folks who want to take on donald trump didn't show, and then looking at the pictures from yesterday, the small crowd size, the number of empty seats, frankly, might be considered a little bit embarrassing. what's the vibe there today? >> you know, chris, this is a very pro trump crowd. let's be clear. there is no ron desantis or a mike pence, and when i have been going around talking to folks in the crowd and asking the question, who do you got in 2024, they have consistently been given the same answer. take a listen to folks we talked to. >> who do you got in 2024. >> trump. >> why not one of the others?

>> trump is the only one that could fix this country. >> he did a lot to bring america back. he reversed all the damage that was done by the obama administration. >> reporter: who do you got in 2024. >> trump. >> reporter: trump again? not desantis? >> let's wait. let's have trump have one more term and desantis can come in after that. >> i recall in 2016 waiting to see who would take on donald trump head on like you guys were saying and i remember when ben carson was mocked by donald trump, and carson didn't fight back. when it came to ted cruz, the morning of may 3rd, 2016, that was the day ted cruz dropped out, but a few hours before dropping out in which he went on a tirade against donald trump, calling him a serial philander, immoral. nikki haley, never mentioned

donald trump by name, she said the folks in this crowd should turn to a new generation of leaders in america, and i was able to catch up with nikki haley after she got off stage but she took none of my questions, what would she say to the trump loyal supporters and she put her head down, made her way to the elevator, door shut, and she went down the elevator. there are many months ahead left in the campaign. right now, nikki haley is choosing to not take that tact as part of her candidacy. to the folks in the room, there's trump loyalists, it's a matter of how do they take a dent to the former leader of the country. >> congressman, i wonder if donald trump watches all of this, he watches those interviews, and they're saying trump, trump, trump, trump, he hasn't been doing much in terms of a traditional campaign to say the least. does he need to? can he sit back, watch the other guys, appreciate the dynamic the way it is, and you know, just hang down in mar-a-lago? >> of course, when he won in 2016, he didn't have any type of traditional campaign

infrastructure either, and then he lost when he did have real infrastructure. god knows what lesson he's trying to learn. i think that there are normal laws of, you know, politics here going on. that is longer you stay under the radar, the greater chance that people will forget what happened in the past. that's what donald trump is relying on here. notice that he's been allowed back on twitter. he's been allowed back on facebook and has nonetheless not done anything, but what he is almost single handedly focusing on with really an interesting level of discipline, is right to take down ron desantis, and this is where donald trump thrives. i personally think the guy is evil, and i hope that he never comes anywhere near the white house ever again, but he knows how to piss people off. when he calls ron desantis a pedophile and ron desantis does not say anything in response, the message that ron desantis is sending to the republican base is if he can't stand up for himself, he can't stand up to

them or for them, and in a party that is center around the sentiments of grievance, which is all the republican base right now, all grievance, all emotion, i don't think that's a winning strategy. >> max, brendan vaughan, thanks to all of you. i need to go to president biden, moments ago he was meeting with the chancellor of germany at the white house. >> chancellor, welcome back to the oval office, welcome back to the white house. a lot has changed since the last year you were here. as a matter of fact, if i'm not mistaken, you were here in february of 2022, and russia was amassing its troops, 185,000 troops on the ukrainian border. and we made it clear if he moved we would both respond, and together we made good on that promise, and i want to thank you for your strong and steady leadership. i mean that sincerely.

it's made a world of difference, and together we made good on our promise. you stepped up to provide critical military support, and, you know, i would argue that beyond your military support, the moral support you gave to the ukrainians has been profound. it's been profound. and you've driven changes at home, and increased defense spending, and diversifying away from russian energy sources. i know that's not been easy, very difficult for you. together we work lock step to supply critical security assistance to ukraine, and everything from what we have done in lock step, ammunition, artillery, armored tanks, air defense systems, and we have been together throughout this. you helped ukraine meet basic needs like food, health, heating, and you continue to give him -- maintain the pressure on putin, and it is undercutting his ability to

fight this war and so as nato allies, we're making the alliance stronger and more capable. you've heard me say before that when i talked to putin a couple of months before that, i told him that more likely to get the nato of europe that he was pushing for. more like the nato ization of europe, and he's had that effect in terms of what's happened. so a lot has happened since last year. we got a lot to talk about and i look forward to our conversation. >> thank you for having me again. i really appreciate to be back in the white house, and let me just say this is a very very important year because of the very dangerous piece that comes from russia invading ukraine. and it's really important that

we act together. that we organize the lock stop and that we can give the necessary support to ukraine. and at this time, i think it is very important that we give the message that we will continue to do so as long as it takes, and as long as it is necessary, and that we are ready also for staying with the ukrainians as long as it is necessary. and i really appreciate the very good cooperation between the two of us, our governments and the united states and germany and europe, and the transatlantic partnership is really in very good shape today, and this is very much thanks to your leadership. so i'm really happy to be here and to talk with you. >> thank you. >> mr. president -- >> let's go, thank you so much. >> mr. president how concerned

are you about china and the ongoing -- >> thank you so much, we're going to head outside now. thank you so much. >> you go in the oval, and you shout those questions and you hope sometimes the president will answer, and sometimes he does, sometimes he won't. that time he didn't, but we did hear from him obviously, an important meeting at an important time with olaf scholz trying to figure out exactly what the end game might be here for ukraine, and what help both countries are going to give. and we just got this breaking news in that the attorney general has gone to ukraine. he's arrived in lviv to join president zelenskyy and international partners at the united for justice conference. they're talking about crimes that have been committed, war crimes that have been committed. again, the attorney general merrick garland making an unannounced trip, as they always are unannounced when they go into a war zone. we'll have much more on that as the news comes in. first to us at nbc news, alec murdaugh's legal team spoke with

craig melvin about what's next for the disgraced south carolina lawyer as he was sentenced to life behind bars, two consecutive sentences. craig melvin, it's good to see you my friend. >> it's good to be back in the studios. >> it's been remodeled since you were here. you talked to the defense and the prosecution. this is fascinating, i mean, all of us sat up last night. we're like the jury's back, the jury's back. what did they tell you? >> it's fascinating. we should point out that the defense attorney started by making certain we understood they started their appeal. they plan to appeal the verdicts. they were also astonished, not an overstatement, flat out astonished, not so much by the verdict itself but the speed with which the verdict came. if you think about it, the judge issues his instructions to the jury, they start deliberating around 3:45, 3:30, 3:45. they didn't have even dinner. they didn't ask for a meal, and

less than three hours later, they're sending word that they have a verdict. and we have heard from one of the jurors, and one of the jurors indicated that it didn't take time in the jury room once they went around the table. murdaugh's defense team maintains that their client did not have a fair trial. it wasn't fair from the very beginning with jury selection. that's going to be part of their appeal. but this is another part of what jim griffin and dick harpootlian told me just a short time ago. >> how damning was the lie about the kennel video? >> damning, extremely. >> we were getting prepared four or five months ago, and we were looking for a way to get around the lie. how do you get around it, how do you explain it, and apparently he didn't. >> the big lie that the video

they played over, witness after witness you hear alec murdaugh's voice on the video minutes before his wife and son were killed. he told the first investigator on the scene that he wasn't down there, and he repeated that lie over and over, and his attorneys admitted that that was a hill too steep to climb for them. i spent time this afternoon, a short time ago talking to allen wilson, the long time attorney general in south carolina, the chief prosecutor, he put together this team that prosecuted murdaugh, and i asked allen wilson what he thought was the single piece of most significant evidence. here's what he said. >> i think alec murdaugh was our biggest piece of evidence. when he took the stand, i think that was fatal for him ultimately. obviously he had created a web of lies for over a decade that led to this culminating point in this trial. >> there you have it, wilson himself saying that, you know, when murdaugh got on the stand

to testify, he really opened himself up. it's interesting because i asked murdaugh's attorneys about that decision, and they pretty much acknowledged it was one of those situations where it's damned if you do, and alec murdaugh convinced himself had he been convicted of the murders and not testified, that was a decision he would regret for the rest of his life. you have to wonder if that's a decision he's going to regret for the rest of his life nonetheless. >> i talked to a south carolina lawyer earlier in the show who said basically, the family they were in there all the time. so much of their success was tied to that courthouse, maybe he thought that was what was going to turn it for him. craig, tonight, right? date line, don't miss the full report, 9:00 p.m. eastern on your local nbc station. i'll be not only watching it but reporting and watching it. >> we're getting our first insight into what it was like

inside that jury deliberation room. craig mentioned this, one juror sharing this today. >> when you first got in the room, you took a vote. >> it was two not guilty and one not sure and nine guilty. about 45 minutes later, after all of our deliberating, we figured it out. >> so it took basically 45 minutes for you guys to come to a decision. >> probably about 45, maybe an hour. >> that's really fast. >> the evidence was clear. >> i want to bring in someone who knows what it's like inside a jury deliberation room of a major trial like this one. brandon mitchell, a juror at the derek chauvin trial. and brandon, you and your jurors took ten hours to convict derek

chauvin of manslaughter. you heard 45 minutes, maybe an hour, and in that time they flipped jurors. first of all, what did you think when you heard that? and what is it like inside that room when you're making literally a decision about the rest of someone's life? >> yeah, i do think that it was very quick. however, as they were going around and everybody was telling their thoughts and views on the trial, i'm sure the two not guilties and the not sure changed their minds rather quickly. i'm sure that all the evidence that they've seen and the different testimonies they heard, they probably went over there them one time and flipped their minds and changed their minds very quickly. >> derek chauvin as you know, didn't take the stand in his case. as we just heard, alec murdaugh took that major gamble. the juror said he just wasn't believable. take a listen. >> i didn't see any true remorse

or any compassion or anything. >> even though he cried a lot on the stand. >> he never cried. >> he never cried? what do you mean by that? >> all he did was blow is not. >> did you not see tears? >> no tears. >> how did you know he wasn't crying? >> because i saw his eyes. i was this close to him. >> did you feel like he was a liar? >> a good liar. but not good enough. >> that's fascinating, right? i mean, he says, brandon that he was close enough to see he wasn't actually shedding tears. again, you didn't get a chance to see derek chauvin answer questions, sit on the stand, but how much were you watching his demeanor and did that have any influence on you? >> absolutely. you're sitting there as a juror, and you're in the courtroom, you're 100% watching how this defendant reacts to things,

what's their expressions. that definitely gives you a feel for who you might think they are as a person, and in this trial, i'm sure they did that with murdaugh taking the stand, i'm sure all the jurors assessed who he was as a verdict, does it usually surprise you? is it informative, one of the other things we heard, which i think maybe isn't surprising that time line, that phone, that video, that paul took was critical in this case, but what do you glean generally from jurors after a big case. >> the things you need to know to win a case, you don't learn in law school, and the simple truth is jurors have a lot more sense than lawyers do, and you can gather that just from listening to brandon. so if you go back and you look at this case overall, the real problem is, it was a case of death, deception and drugs, and

it should have only been a case about death. you introduced a lot of additional information that jurors like to listen to. at the end of the day is not is this a good case, i'm in the unfortunate position i've been in with you and more, from a legal point of view, the case against him was weak. the jury is not going to ask is this a good case. ultimately the jury is going to ask, is this a bad guy. yes, you got on the stand, the problem is when you took the stand, if i believe you, i have to believe that you're a liar, and then i have to question, when should i believe you're telling the truth. he wouldn't lie about something that hurt you, and you said so many things that hurt you, my conclusion as a juror is the world is a far better place with you behind bars, and that's why you got the quick verdict. >> brandon, so many people got to know about this case, not by watching necessarily every minute of the trial, but there's

a netflix series on hbo. dateline has covered it. did you have any idea when you were doing this trial that it was not just nationally riveting, but it got international attention, and do you think that anybody on the jury actually watched some of the coverage? >> so during the trial i was on, we actually were completely oblivious to all of the media coverage and all of the different coverage, but i think in this trial, it's kind of the same thing, you're kind of oblivious, because you're spending your days, six, seven, eight hours in the courtroom listening to this trial. the last thing you want to do is go home and still hear about the trial. so i'm sure that they were staying off social media or not watching the netflix documentary. they don't want to hear more about the trial after they spent all day hearing and listening about it. it's over kill. you don't want to continue hearing on it. >> was it hard on you, hard on your family? i mean, it is, again, an

incredibly weighty decision you're being asked to make? >> it does weigh on you. it does weigh on you a lot because you are making a decision on somebody's life. but at the same token, you feel like it's your duty, you feel an obligation, almost like you're doing the right thing as a civilian of the u.s. by being a part of this. so, yes, it does well, but you do feel a sense of this is the right thing, this is what i need to do for the society. >> well, i'm sure david would agree with me when i say thank you for your service. again, these are not easy things that you folks do, and david henderson, always great to have you on as well. thank you so much, appreciate it. this hour in los angeles, the community is saying good-bye to beloved bishop david o'connell. you might remember he was shot and killed last month. the service today is the last of three memorial masses held since wednesday for the man known as

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hilton is in nashville for us. antonia. >> just yesterday, tennessee governor bill lee signed senate bill 3 into law. this is the first statute of its kind in the country, tennessee has become the first state to pass a law that's going to restrict drag performances in public, and in any place where a child might be able to see them. the lawmakers who worked on this bill say it's all about child safety, protecting children from having to see what they describe as overly sexualized adult cabaret performances, but lgbtq community members in tennessee, business owners who work in this space say they're being unfairly targeted for an art form that has existed in this country for hundreds of years. the language in the bill has been described by attorneys as over broad and vague. particularly when it comes to the sections that describe the places in public where someone might be able to see a performance, and there's a question here on the ground of who's going to make the determination of what qualifies as overly sexual.

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from last month's devastating tornado that ripped through the city. there's some of the destruction you're looking at. ahead of the visit, civil rights leader sent an open letter to the president and members of congress warning against using a visit to selma for political posturing. they say, quote, this is no time for foolishness, photo ops and flakey commitments. i'm joined by one of the leaders who signed that letter, bishop barber, it's been a while, it's good to see you again. what are you planning to say to the president and what do you want to hear from him. >> chris, as a nation, we have not focused enough on the restoration of the voting rights act passing of expanding voting rights investment in the south, economic investment, and living age as a moral issue which was all critical to what was going on 15 years ago, and critical to

the health of the nation. so we can't just come to selma, we have to address these issues, not about commemoration. it's about recommitment to the things that make our democracy healthy, and what we know is that in the south, even today, poor people make up at least 40 percent of every southern state, poverty and low wages. most of those states have at least 50% of their states that people make less than a living wage, and we know that in these realities when you disaggregate the numbers, 28 million down, the investment by covid, that's going to go away, and we know whenever you disaggregate the numbers, poor and low wealth people, dr. king said at the end of the march, the great fear of southern aris, to build together

and build a voting block that could reshape the architecture of the country. that's what we must be talking about in this day. how do we restore the voting rights act, push living wages and how do we have investment in the south, economic investment. >> let me give you some examples that i know you already know. we're just two months into 2023. already lawmakers have filed or planned 150 bills restricting voting in 32 states. that includes a bill in texas that would allow presidential electors to disregard state election results. how dire is the need for federal election reform and are you optimistic at all that something will happen on the federal level? >> all of the bills that were passed in the last few years affected 50 million americans, not just black people. the fact that redistricting

bills allow people to get into office who might not get into office otherwise if we weren't stacking and packing and bleaching voters, which allows people to undermine the voting process. we are having an attacks on our democracy at the state level. voting rights is not just about voting. when you suppress the right to vote, you suppress people getting elected who will pass living wages, who will pass health care for everyone, protect the environment, deal with the issues of poverty. we must connect the dots, and then we all have to do some repenting because ten years, ten years since the voting rights act was gutted, through multiple administrations and we have not fixed the voting rights act. 13 years we have not passed or raised the minimum wage. this cannot be the way we govern. last year, 52 senators, 50 republicans, two democrats blocked living wages, voting rights. we're saying to the president and others it's time to make this a moral issue, push and push and push and don't quit, to

all of us in the civil rights community. any of us who have stood down at all, we need to stand up. this is dangerous to our entire democracies, not just a black issue. this is an issue that is dangerous to our entire democracy, and that's why in the pulpit on sunday morning, from brown ame where people march from, were beaten and marched bloody, i'll talk about how we have to address the racism of poverty, ecological devastation, and false and religious nationalism as a nation and as moral issues if the state of our union is going to truly be as strong as it could be. >> bishop william barber, always good to see you and talk to you. thank you for coming on the program. hope it all goes well this weekend. join us for "chris jansing reports," every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc.

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