tonight on "the reidout" -- >> and we in this moment in time right now have to pinch

ourselves because it was almost 250 years before a woman could stand at this desk not just to give a prayer. but to get the gavel. >> pennsylvania's new house speaker, joanna mcclinton, just one of a rapidly growing number of powerful women in this country, but ironically women now have less bodily ought omthan we had in 50 years. also new developments in jack smith's investigation into why the lawyers who did donald trump's bidding have reason to be very nervous. and if he doesn't win a grammy, it's rigged. tonight, you'll hear donald trump's new song recorded with a choir of prison inmates. no, i'm not joking. and we begin tonight with the vital role of women in american history. something especially celebrated during women's history month

which started this week. it is pretty remarkable when you think about it, the gains women have made since the 19th amendment was ratified in 1920, when women, but really white women, secured the right to vote. of course, women of color and black women had to fight decades longer to secure that right, until the voting rights act passed in 1965. the long fight for political equality surges on, but the gains even in recent years are the stuff of legend. former -- forever stenciled in the history books that we except in florida are allowed to read. we have kamala harris breaking a two century barrier as the first woman vice president as well as the first black and asian american in this office. we also have four women currently serving as supreme court justices, including the first black woman, ketanji brown jackson. it's been 30 years since the year of the woman, when a record 47 women were elected to the house of representatives. women also won an additional four seats in the senate. those victories occurred after

senate confirmation hearings for supreme court nominee clarence thomas outraged many american women due to the allegations of sexual harassment against him. sadly, he would not be the last supreme court justice accused of sexual violations of women. hey, there, brett kavanaugh. leading us to the present day. when a me too movement arguably predated by anita hill in 1991 continues to shake predators to their core, even putting some very powerful perpetrators behind bars. back to the political world, to date, 59 women have served in the united states senate, with 25 serving right now. a record 12 women are in governor's mansions, several in states that elected women for the first time, and some who unfortunately are eradicating their fellow women's rights as we speak. which brings us to the flipside of all this progress. alongside these breakthroughs for women and girls, for the first time since the 1970s women's lives have been completely upended, our rights eroding at alarming and

grotesque speed. women have less bodily autonomy now than in most of our lifetimes and in some states none at all. the forced birth movement landed with a vengeance, and it is horrifying to witness the reality of that american dystopia after roe. we have draconian laws designed to punish rape and incest survivors and criminal women who seek abortion care. in texas, a bill that allowed any private citizen to sue anyone who aids or abits an abortion. in the united states, in 2023, we have a texas woman who said she carried a dead fetus for two weeks after her state's abortion ban. another texas woman was sent home from the hospital with instructions to return only if her blood filled a diaper more than once an hour. a woman was discharged from an er in ohio without treatment for her miscarriage even though she had been bleeding profusely for hours, filling the bottom of a bathtub and bleeding into her

shoes. let's pause for a moment. these are people, perhaps someone you know, because miscarriages and complications are quite common. many of these people are already suffering a loss. bleeding out, and in some cases dying. being sent home and told to wait or to do their own research. terrified, with their hands tied, for a party that claims to be about freedom. to be defenders of babies and children. what we're seeing instead is a cruelty so profound that women and girls will certainly suffer untold harm, and yes, even die. and it's not over. the abortion pill is now on the chopping block, and not just in red states. nationwide. its fate now is in the hands of a far right trump appointed judge in texas who is set to rule on a lawsuit that seeks to restrict access to a drug used to induce a medicated abortion. it's also used to treat miscarriages. forced birth republicans are not just scaring doctors out of helping women but also corporations. walgreens has announced it won't

sell abortion pills in several states where abortion remains legal. the move comes after republican attorneys general in 20 states sent walgreens a letter saying the company could face legal consequences if it sold abortion medication in those states. joining me now is the president of naral, pro choice america, and michelle goldberg, columnist for "the new york times" and an msnbc contributor. mini, i want to start with you. where heard you earlier speaking with my friend nicolle, the thing -- there's so much shocking here, but a corporation like walgreens would take proactive steps out of fear of legal recourse and actually upset its own bottom line rather than fight for its own bottom line in terms of this abortion pill. if we're starting to see corporations fold and cave in to this forced birth movement, who lines up in defense of women? >> it's really troubling, and i think we have to have some

pretty tough conversations with our friends at walgreens who just recently committed to following other fda guidance in releasing the abortion pill, distributing it in brick and mortar pharmacies. there's a larger problem with corporate america frankly being intimidated by these gop extremist lawmakers and it's really important, a couple points. one, it's really important for democrats to call the question and call their corporate allies and friends and say what's going on, why aren't you engaged in this fight? i'll give you an example. in this texas medication abortion case that would undermine fda authority and really shake up the entire pharmaceutical industry, pharma did not file amicus brief, and we're wondering why. there's a lot of big questions for what corporate america can and should do in this moment, but we also have to pay attention to the fact that republican lawmakers are going to extremes to intimidate the private sector, and it's

working. they're flinching with everything from diversity initiatives in states like texas and florida, and now this, so we really have to ask, i think shareholders have to really demand accountability, and the american people have to really think about what products and companies they support and what products they consume. >> right, because you know, michelle goldberg, it's not even a close call when you ask americans do you want abortion to be legal, the vast majority of americans even republican women say yes, of course, men and women. men don't necessarily want to be liable for pregnancies they didn't plan either. two-thirds of americans agree it actually should be legal. and yet you're seeing corporate america rather than look at that majority, which is the majority of their customers, instead they seem to be caving to the coercion. so still giving money to candidates who are anti-choice, who are pro-forced birth, and still operating in ways when it comes to things like diversity and abortion that say we're more afraid of this coercive minority

than we are of the majority. i want to give you kind of an example of the fact that even republicans don't believe that coercion will really work in the end. on the one hand, they're saying we're ordering you all to have babies. we want to increase the american born population and let's just be clear, not of people who look like me, of people who look like you, michelle, and we want to force that. women don't want to do it. here's their new tactic. coercion isn't working. how about this? a texas republican wants to give tax breaks for having more kids, but only if you're in an opposite sex marriage. families with a quartet of kids will get a 40% tax cut. got ten kids, no property taxes at all. with this bill, texas will start saying to couples, get married, stay married, and be fruitful and multiply, says representative brian slayton of royce city, texas. michelle, this sounds straight out of the handmaid's steal, a

verse from the bible. what they're saying is whether it's through coercion or we have to pay you, we want women back in the 19th century. >> it's a carrot and a stick. i think we shouldn't be that surprised by corporate cowardice. corporate america was never going to be a leader in the fight for social justice. at best, they can be at some points kind of beholden to public opinion and public pressure. but what we have seen recently is especially with ron desantis in florida, there's such greater republican willingness despite their ostensible devotion to the free market, you see such greater republican willingness to use the power of the state to go after corporations, and corporations are timid and they're risk averse. we're seeing them buckle. speaking of the majority, we just saw in kansas, they had a referendum, an up and down referendum in a very conservative state. they made it very clear what the people of that state think about reproductive rights. but that hasn't stopped their

attorney general from sending this letter threatening walgreens and etgooding wall greens to cave. a final thing i would say is that this bill that's been proposed in texas, they have legislation a lot like this in hungary, and something that i have written about a number of different contexts is the degree to which the american right is taking their cues from victor orbon, this is another example of that. >> well, if you want to go through with that, right, the governor of florida, you want to talk about viktor orban, making bloggers who write about him register so he can have some sort of registry of whoever is writing things about him, so i guess he can impose some sort of penalty if you like something he doesn't like, having fines for it. it's all straight out of the fascist playbook and the viktor orban playbook. it's interesting that there is this sort of larger story that ties in things like replacement theory, these sort of obsessions with lgbtq people, obsessions

with trans people. if you actually do the bigger story, it all goes back to this demographic panic. you know, we have right now children who are essentially working in this country as indentured servants. we could easily solve that if you did an immigration bill, you would get the parents. the parents might come here and want to take the jaws. they don't want the parents. they want americans to have more children and americans don't want to. and so this sort of combination of coercion, we're going to force you to do it, and maybe we'll try to lull you into doing it to have ten kids. what modern woman is trying to have ten kids generally? maybe amy coney barrett, but most wim don't want ten kids. they're trying to force women back to the 19th century. >> speaking of amy coney barrett, this just reminds me of the domestic supply of infants comment she made in the dobbs oral arguments. we have to remember, you make such a great point. the root cause of all these fights, the fights for trans

lives, the fight for diversity education and black studies in florida, the fight back for so many of the core issues we care about, it's rooted in a white supremacist movement. and it's so important to remember this is about, this isn't about life. this isn't about protecting children. this is about a minority party, let's be clear, they are the minority of this country, exerting power and control out of a desperate play to retain what they can in this modern society. that's why so many of the attacks are interconnected. when i was on with nicolle earlier, we talked about the nexus between january 6th insurrectionists, the big lie, and the funding behind extremist anti-choice organizations that have infiltrated the supreme court. the very, very attacks on our democracy, they're all connected to this desperation of this white supremacist movement to exert power and control. right now, they're winning more than they're losing. it's terrifying. >> it is terrifying.

i think of phyllis sclaffly, who herself was a powerful independent woman, traveling all over the country, doing advocacy. she wasn't a shrinking violet staying home and baking cookies, but she went to war against the equal rights amendment. she went to war against it and won, and got it to not be ratified, saying what she's defending is the real rights of women, the right to stay home and be a housewife and mother. no one has ever said you can't be a housewife and mother. what this right wing is saying is that we're going to set up legal barriers and a combination of carrots and sticks to make you be a housewife and mother whether you want to or not. that is not freedom. it's something, but it sure ain't an advocacy for freedom. >> look, phyllis sclaffly like many high profile republican women have figured out how to have it all, which is to have a high profile career, high profile career praising the merits of staying at home, so that you can enjoy both the

social prestige of domesticity and the kind of political influence. that said, we know from around the world that there are ways -- you're not going to convince modern women to have ten kids, probably not to have four kids. you can do certain things if you're worried about your birth rates declining, you're worried about an aging society. you can do certain things that scandinavia has done, that france has done, to nudge birth rates up a little. very frequently, women are not having as many children as they want to have because they can't afford good maternity care, they can't afford birth, they can't afford preschool, they can't afford child care. those are all the things you could do if you really wanted to make it possible for american women to have more babies. but there's not -- despite some lip service to making birth free, you don't see neri as much energy, if any energy, behind any of that as you do behind laws that are incredibly punitive.

>> instead of you see this grudging okay, fine, we'll give you a little more medicaid in places like mississippi where they have the highest maternal death rates in the country, and the poorest people in the country. they're like fine, they grudgingly give you a little medicaid, but they don't want to pay living wages, pay people decent wages so they can afford to buy a home and raise a family. there are things you could do but they would require maybe increasing rich folks' taxes. thank you both very much. up next on "the reidout," the special counsel investigating attempts to overturn the 2020 election is trying to compel testimony from trump's attorneys. plus, check out the turnout or lack thereof for marjorie taylor greene and don jr.'s big appearance at cpac today. you know what else is empty? republican attempts to own the libs with their revenge and retribution committee. i'll explain next. next. could lead to worse over time. help stop the clock on gum disease now.

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and your marriage survived that? you can almost feel the drag when people walk by with their phones. oh i can't hear you... you're froze-- ladies, please! you put it on airplane mode when you pass our house. i was trying to work. we're workin' it too. yeah! work it girl! woo! i want to hear you say it out loud. well, i could switch us to xfinity. those smiles. that's why i do what i do. that and the paycheck.

i can smell them. you don't have to smell this one. i can prove it to you 18 different ways. i can prove to you that he won. >> remember that moment after the 2020 election? well, rudy, it turns out the special counsel, jack smith, may know a thing or two about crimes as well. new reporting from "the washington post" late today says smith's probe into donald trump has been honing in on his circle of attorneys. the post writes federal

prosecutors investigating efforts to overturb the 2020 election have asked witnesses extensive questions about the actions of rudy giuliani, including where he got his information about alleged fraud, what he did in the days around january 6th, 2021, and what he knew about the actions coming that day. people who have appeared in front of the grand jury say. investigators looking into classified documents taken to mar-a-lago have sought to force testimony from another trump lawyer, evan corcoran, by saying there is evidence that the former president used the attorney's legal services in furtherance of a crime. and prosecutors have repeatedly sought information on the actions of yet another trump lawyer, boris epshteyn, in connection with both classified documents and trump's false electors scheme. they have quizzed multiple trump attorneys involved with the documents case, including christina bobb and jesse banal. all just another sign that the special counsel is in fact

picking up the pace of its investigation, especially as the 2024 presidential election starts to take shape. joining me now is andrew weissmann, msnbc legal analyst, former fbi general counsel and former senior member of the mueller probe. always great to talk to you. i want to zero in on the the second first i talked about. evan corcoran, i'm not a lawyer. my stipulation here, but he seems to be the person that seems to be in particular an interesting peril, because he's the one who signed off on the attestation that trump with his lawyers' help, had given all the classified documents back. that turned out to be so untrue that they had to do an fbi search. is the fact that he's being questioned about this mean that he can't throw up attorney/client privilege and say whatever we talked about regarding the documents is privileged? >> so to remind people, there are two lawyers who were involved in that attestation, at

least. two that we know of. christina bobb actually signs the attestation, but she has said that she got her information and it was drafted by mr. corcoran. so he drafts it, but she signs it, which by the way, joy, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to say why on god's green earth didn't he sign it? can you say fall guy? it's basically, let's get her to sign it. so the issue for the prosecutors is who gave that information to mr. corcoran? so presumably at some point you get to donald trump. and this is why lawyers can be so important in this investigation, whether it's the january 6th part or the mar-a-lago part, which is if you are asking your lawyers to commit a crime, such as saying something that's not true to the government, that's a crime. making a false statement, obstructing the government. if you do that, lawyers then can be asked to testify.

normally, there's an attorney/client privilege. if you're my client, joy, you and i can talk and nobody gets to know about it. but if you were to ask me or i were to ask you to commit a crime, all bets are off. gross hypothetical. but that's what happens here. if donald trump was basically saying to mr. corcoran, just tell them x, and that x is false, meaning i returned everything, jack smith gets to say to mr. corcoran, where did you get that information from? and the courts are going to say, absolutely he has to testify. so jack smith is following a very standard playbook here, just to be clear, this is nothing unusual. it's nothing sort of outlandish or aggressive. it is exactly what you do. we did it in the mueller investigation. and he follows essentially you follow all the evidence as far as it could go. if it takes you to the very top, that's going to be pretty much a gold mine because he will have a

lawyer who gets to take the stand and say the information that i got in this certification that we know is false, i got from my client, donald trump. that's really devastating. >> and also -- >> i hope i made that clear. >> you do. it's too bad -- it's procedure a good thing that you can't go to jail for being stupid, because what lawyer signs something you don't know is true. you're a lawyer. that's lawyer 101. they should teach that in the first year of law school. don't sign that. ia let's go to january 6th. this is the one you have said, and you have been good about saying this is the most difficult one, very complicated. boris epshteyn is involved in this one. i think right now about the attempts being made to talk about the weaponization of government in this sham committee that's going on in the house. but the weaponization of government to me, you can boil

it down to what was happening at the doj when trump was in charge. after his attorney general says no, it's bs, there's nothing wrong with this election, they try to install a different attorney general so that he will say, oh, no, there's something wrong with this election. they have false electors they're trying to put forward. they're trying to use governmental offices and power to keep him in office. this should be the biggest one. and boris epshteyn is in the middle of that one. can you explain why despite what seems to be the worst one, why that one is the most complicated? >> yeah, so by the way, i couldn't agree with you more. the hypocrisy of having a committee that's looking at what is supposed to be the, quote, current weaponization of doj, when we came from the bill barr doj, where as you said, they were trying to put jeff clark in to do donald trump's bidding. bill barr tried to get rid of the roger stone case, the michael flynn case. it's just unbelievable that this

is basically saying black is white, white is black. so january 6th, you know what i would say about that is it's not that it's so complicated. it's just bigger. you know, we all sat through the january 6th committee hearings. it's not like this is rocket science. we can see what happened. it's bigger, though, because there are so many different strands of the conspiracy. it wasn't just what happened on january 6th. you have the fake electors. you have what happened at doj which you referred to, you have the pressure on mike pence. there are just all these different pieces to it because it's not a conspiracy of just a few people and a small timeframe. so but the actual crime, i mean, is there anyone who is watching this who doesn't understand exactly what happened? but it's a question of putting all that together, making sure you have all of the witnesses, and especially because donald trump doesn't use email, you want to make sure you have as many people with direct access

to him who say this is what he knew. this is what i told him, this is what he said. because in court, that's what you need to deal with these things, the rules of evidence, which requires that kind of proof. >> and it makes -- >> we just watched a double murder case, and it was circumstantial evidence. and you watch that, and you sit there and look at the mar-a-lago case and think, okay, one of these cases is actually much easier, and that's the mar-a-lago case. >> it's wild. i need you to come back, andrew weissmann. i want to talk to you about this dominion thing. that one also seems like a slam dunk, but i don't know because i'm not a lawyer. still ahead, put on your dancing shoes, everybody. a group of inmates behind bars for their alleged roles in what we talked about, the january 6th insurrection, they have teamed up with none other than an instigator in chief donald trump to drop a new track called justice for all. no, i'm not making this up. i swear it's true.

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y'all surely remember that iconic 2008 song from the black eyed peas front man will.i.am where he created this culture phenomenon. it won him a number of awards and appeared to help obama's ascension to the white house. it was criticized by republican because for so long those on the right have wanted to tap into the culture of the country and failed at it time and time again. take for instance ben carson who during his 2016 presidential run worked with rapper aspiring mogul to try to re-create that obama magic for himself. ♪ support ben carson for our next president and be awesome ♪ >> america became a great nation early on. not because it was flooded with politicians but because it was

flooded with people who understood the value of personal responsibility. >> it's the flute for me. we all witnessed how well the worked out for ben. and just last year, in his re-election campaign, florida governor ron desantis, oh, yeah, he brought in the big guns. working with lynyrd skynyrd's johnny van zandt to release this. >> at least he didn't try to rhyme something with fauci. is it possible to be embarrassed on someone's behalf? i think van zandt should

probably stick to sweet home alabama, but there's one person on the right more than any other that has yearned for acceptance from every aspect of our culture. and that would be none other than, you guessed it, donald trump. and yes, there have been a number of songs produced about him. he made a cameo in a 2013 music video for a russian pop star. that name may sound familiar because it was his publicist who claims to have arranged that infamous 2016 meeting between members of trump's campaign and a russian lawyer, but i digress. it seems today we're witnessing for the first time trump collaborating on a song, and he had to go to a d.c. jail to find his backup singers. the song called "justice for all" featured trump reciting the pledge of allegiance while a group of about 20 january 6th insurrectionists called the j-6 prison choir, sing the star-spangled banner.

reports say the choir recorded it over a jailhouse phone. and no, i'm not making this up. it's really happened. take a listen. ♪ oh say can you see by the dawn's early light ♪ ♪ what so proudly we hail at the twilight's last gleaming ♪ >> i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america. >> you see the hashtag? so cool. unlike his previous commercial venture, you remember the digital trading cards of him dressing up as an astronaut and an extra from yellowstone. forbes reports any profits from this chart topper will supposedly benefit the families of people imprisoned before attacking the capitol on january

6th. yeah, let's see if they get that money. so not to the actual victims of january 6th, including the countless police officers injured by trump supporters, some of whom are maybe in the choir. but for the families of those who perpetrated the attack. can guess it's not too surprising given that on the day of the attack, trump told some of those very same people they were loved and very special. i'm also sure trump has found a way to get his piece of the action, too. nominations for the 2023 grammys will be announced on november 15th and something tells me if trump's name is not mentioned he'll claim that the process was rigged because this song, this song like himself, surely a winner. up next, as we prepare to mark the 58th anniversary of bloody sunday in selma, alabama, we'll talk with 1619 project creator nikole hannah-jones and jahan jones about the right's newest push to normalize racism and misogyny. we're back after this.

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president biden will attend the march. presumably, alabama school children cannot learn about any of that. since alabama's board of education has banned the right wing bogeyman critical race theory restricting concepts that have blame, the need to feel guilt or anguish, two reasons solely because of their race or sex. that sentence should prohibit alabama schools from teaching one of the most influential novels of all time, the classic, to kill a mockingbird, already one of the most banned books long before the latest push to erase the 20th century. critical race theory ban has impacted alabama black history month education. tuscaloosa students staged a walkout after they said they were told to focus more on current events and less on old stuff, before 1970. and alabama republicans resurrected a bill banning divisive concepts teaching certain groups are inheritly racist, sexist, or oppressive. they have also taken particular aim at the 1619 project which

puts slavery into its -- and its ongoing legacy at the center of america's historic narrative. here's senator tommy tuberville at cpac this week. >> today they're being indoctrinated in education. all this woke transgender athletes, crt, 1619, we don't teach reading, writing, and arithmetic anymore. you know, half the kids in this country, when they graduate, think about this, half the kids in this country when they graduate can't read their diploma. >> first of all, that's gnaw true, but joining me now is nikole hannah-jones and creator of the 1619 project, and ja'han jones, our very own writer for the reidout blog. someone on twitter tweeted they would pay to see tommy tuberville take the s.a.t. on camera, as would i. the thing he said is the thing

that you keep hearing. that we have to ban this thing they have made up that they say is critical race theory that isn't because kids aren't learning to read and write, which is literally what they're learning. and they're saying that if i as a parent want my child to read the 1619 project or to learn the real history of black people in this country, they can stop my child from reading it. that's how i understand it. how do you understand these bans? >> yeah, so let's be clear that they are at once arguing two contradictory things which is we have to ban books but students can't read books anyway. you really wouldn't have to ban the books if students are graduating and can't even read their diploma because what are they going to do with these books in the first place. we know this isn't about honesty. this isn't about an actual concern that the 1619 project, critical race theory, and you just saw the catch-all of every kind of conservative bogeyman

you can think of, trans athletes, all those things are just part of this propaganda campaign. no educators are teaching any of those concepts that these bills seek to ban. but the bills are so broad and vague that as we know, just regular books about black people through history are being pulled off shelves. >> they're pulling off books about dr. king. let me play a little bit from the 1619 project documentary series which is brilliant. my husband and i binged it all once it was all up, posted on hulu. >> he issued that emancipation proclamation november of 1775 and that emancipation proclamation infuriated white southerners because this building is supposed to symbolize white rule over blacks, and now the guy inhabiting that building has turned things upside down and is leading blacks against whites. >> this is just historical facts. so why do we have so much

pushback? >> astonishes me as well because it just seems so obvious that both economically and politically, enslaved people were at the center of the story. >> you know, my theory, my working theory is that it's the 1619 project that they really are afraid of, that all the other books are falling victim to the success of the work you did and they have now tied everything into the 1619 project because that's what they fear, that people will learn the basic real history of how the 1776 revolution happened and why. why do you suppose people are so afraid to find out that, yeah, the founders of this country were slave holders and wanted to keep slaves and didn't want to pay taxes on them to england? why is that so frightening to people, do you think? >> well, one, i love that you showed that clip because, of course, so much otthe effort to discredit the project is arguing that i somehow just made up the role of slavery in the american revolution, yet here is this

very award-winning historian making that argument, so now they're just like, well, that historian doesn't know what he's talking about. at first it's, i'm not a historian so i don't know what i'm talking about. i love that you showed that clip. the historical record is clear. what we know is so much of how we want to see our country is based on a mythology of american exceptionalism that we're founded on these ideas of freedom, and if you grapple with black people, then you have to grapple with the fact that we're founded on a grave hypocrisy. as i said on twitter this week, black people are the most inconvenient people to this narrative of america that >> because how do you explain us, the only reason we are here is because the man who wrote the declaration, the father of the constitution, the man who drafted the bill of rights, we're all in slavery, and what they are basically arguing is that if children learn the true

-- of their country they might think our country's racist. that's not an argument. the argument isn't about teaching our children the truth. it's about teaching them a history that protects power and all of the hierarchies that our country was founded upon. >> yeah. let me bring you in here, john, because there's a thing you did and i love. a band books archive on our readout blog. talk about what you did. some of the works that you included and this wonderful thing that you have created. >> yes, yes, well thank you for having me on, joy feels like i'm at home, and nikole hannah-jones, it's good to be with you as well. the conceit of this project was pretty simple. i don't think we should trust or appreciate rhonda santas or really any right-wing book banners intellect, much less their morals. and so when they give us rather conveniently a list of all the black authors the zinc we should not read, what better to

do the exact opposite? and what does that look like? it means probing these authors works with more depth than any of these republicans would allow if they had to say. and very fortunately they do not in this case. so for example, irate about james baldwin, his 1979 article for the new york times about black english in the efforts to malign black language. those conversations of course are pertinent today because republicans are attacking terms like woken critical race theory. talking about lorraine hands barry, her 90s urged for discussion with white liberals where she explains how she came to embrace her left us viewpoint, told the story of her father, a republican, buying holy into the american dream and not being given his do, not being given an adequate return on his investment. and i also cover nichols work prior to the 1619 project. i focus on specifically her

reporting on michael brown's school district in the ways in which it was neglected. i think that's important because it really establishes that history established nikole hannah-jones as the inner workings un-american school such that before you even get to the 16 19 project being used in school curriculum you have nikole really telling us what it is and what it isn't with regard to the american education system. and so she knows better than really any of the people trying to malign her that the issues with american schools are not black authors on bookshelves but actually neglect and disinvestment. >> tell us where we can see it. because it's got its own landing page coming up. so tell us, jahan, where we can find your work. >> you can find it on msnbc .com. it's currently in its first iteration, but we will be taking it in an audio visual direction going forward. so it's very exciting. >> and it's called black history uncensored. emily give the last word on

this, nikole. to me what these governors, et cetera, have done, they make people want these books more. i think that's the point that jahan just made as well. they make people crave these books more. >> absolutely. the new york times, the 1619 project is still back on the new york times bestseller list. it's there the last two months. and where they keep talking about this dangerous book and all of these dangerous books, the more people want to read them and find out for themselves. you know, we have a first amendment to the constitution for a reason. it's because for all of their problems our founders actually understood the you cannot have a democracy and every country without freedom of the press and freedom of government intervention determining white type of ideas we can have access to. >> amen. >> most are very opposed to that idea and we don't live in a world where you can stop us from reading the things we want to read anymore. >> a man. we think wonder fake, we're gonna read what we want to. eight good luck, governor of

florida desantis. you think you do that to us? you can't. thank you nikole hannah-jones and jahan, is staying with us.

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those are my groups. leaders of the new school also. boom. a good race. my choice would be more political. it is millet makayla kavanaugh. you saw her on with rachel maddow this week. she is the state senator who is vowed to filibuster everything. not just one or two things but everything. she has nothing but time. she's gonna sit there and make their them stop these transgender bands. >> this legislature click through the decides legislating up against children it's our priority. i'm going to make it pain fall, painful for everyone. i have nothing, nothing but timer. and i am going to use all of it. >> she says she got time. she won the week. jahan and de la soul, appreciate you and that's tonight's read out. all in with chris hayes is up now. >> tonight in all in the -- >> we've been taking whistleblower testimony from