either. he'd rather not think about tim permentor and the last moments of his precious baby sister's life. >> i'm not interested in remembering karen associated with that crime. >> it's been a long ordeal for you. >> mm-hmm. i want to remember karen as a brilliant, beautiful young woman she was. >> maybe this smiling person, someone who loved her friends, loved the beach, and died too young. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. >> happy saturday morning. to my coffee was, so good you did a good job. >> earlier, you got to starbucks in your pajamas. anyhow, it is good to see you

all. thank you for watching morning joe weekend. >> happy weekend everybody. >> it was a busy week, especially in maryland where republicans are wrapping up their annual conservative political action conference. donald trump is expected to be the big headline for the final day today, but many of the party's biggest names opted out of -- >> just -- >> -- it means there is a change -- >> including, not, they're a florida governor ron desantis senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, and house speaker kevin mccarthy, pretty big names. the conference was, once one of the biggest events for conservatives. so, what happened? >> we are happy. and here's what our panel had to say earlier this week. >> there is a way regan would always go, this is where every sort of conservative -- used to go, then at some point it became obvious that it was going forth and you would have

-- it became a libertarian gathering, not republican or conservative, that is when you have ron paul and rand paul start winning presidential pull there. and, just sort of this feeling that am i really going to waste my time at cpac when, they are going further and further mainstream? but they still held on to mainstream republicans until this year. now it is interesting, how many are just saying no. >> yeah, i actually think, joe, it is not -- yes there has always been the cranky libertarian thing that popped up at cpac in has always had that sort of whatever the flavor of college kind of bro theme conservativism was, but really what happened at cpac over the course of the last decade was it became impact. it became maga people action committee conference and committee quite frankly. trump first spoke there in 2011,

and was received rapturously with the early kind of marvel version of what became the make america great again trump platform. it was attacking china, attacking immigrants, all that stuff, and trump was at that point trying to figure, out as you pointed out in the show so many, times not -- republican had never been a conservative, cpac became the sort of, the kind of workshop for his early political development. he is like i will be a political, figure i will be figuring out how to be a republican, now and his version of conservatism, his version of radical grievance based nationalist politics to shape their. every time he would come in 2011, it was -- he thought about getting into the race in a more serious way, then a lot of people believe, and then, 12, 13 14, 15, every

time we came, back every time it was a bigger, crowd every time they like the message, more that was the launching pad for him. he has owned that place basically, and ever since then. so, not only that the -- trump will have his big stage on saturday night, so we will get to see whether he is really lost, or whether he is back, but a lot of people are like what happened? it wants to be the trump pack, go forth, go with what -- we go out, one desantis goes out and hits the book trail, and vice president pence go south carolina, and kirsten news stays away, and others decide that is not the party must change, here is a good place to start. take away -- power. >> well of course, they are also -- the club for growth, but that, admit, conservative, i have said for such a long time there

is a very little that is conservative about cpac. and, you know, they can, had this sort of college libertarian thing going, but if you are ideologically based at all, how do you go from being -- supporting libertarians, to then going the authoritarian streak as long as you can, and your new heroes are donald trump, and viktor orban. >> my god. >> not only have they've been worshipping a guy in a viktor orban, both here and by having these things over in hungry, they are worshipping a guy politically who said he does not believe in western democracy anymore. he is a champion of liberalism. and a liberal democracy. ronald reagan, that is, you and i know, this may be some of these so-called conservatives

don't know, it that is literally the antithesis of ronald reagan, and reagan-ism, what orban, what trump preaches there, it is sort of this authoritarianism, it is the exact opposite of what reagan and put these people who were originally -- backup were supposed to believe in. >> well, john mccain is rolling over in this, grave but, also, i think i'm correct in noting -- not just autocrats, it is other election deniers from foreign countries, so as you, said is so contrary to the traditional ideology that we have known through the years, through bush, through mccain, and again you see the evolution of donald trump and where he started and it's hard to figure out where the ideological mornings are but as you pointed out this is his home turf and if i were a strategist or someone like ron

desantis i would say what should we do that week how about a book tour. let's, you know, don't go to his home turf, let's create our own platform, our own bullhorn, and show that we have our own strength and that is one of the sphere. >> exactly what he's, doing his book is out today he is on a book, tour and he will be at cpac this week. so, jen, what is your assessment on what is going on here? we know it is likely not the allegations by that standard they would have walked away from donald trump's longtime ago of sexual misconduct, so is it just that cpac has become such a star wars bar in recent years that they don't want to be a part of it? >> i think a lot of them would get -- right? if mike pence shows up at cpac, what is going to happen? mitch mcconnell showed up, i think he would get booed as well. so i think some of them are probably concerned about that. also, just, if it is going to be trump's home game, it is a bit humiliating. i've been in presidential

campaigns where you are waiting for and underdogs, and you want them to have present something new. desantis is definitely doing that. he is not, i don't think is going to go full -- club for growth. >> club. >> easy for me to say. [laughter] but he is, you know, he has a maga, he is the only one as a true maga record to run on, and he is playing his, he's playing his own game. >> so several potential presidential candidates this time around will attend the club for jonah retreat this week, florida governor ron desantis and former vp mike pence both considering a run will be there, as well as nikki haley, senators tim, scott ted, cruz rick, scott and new hampshire governor chris sununu will make appearances. club for growth has declined to invite former president trump to the gathering. -- wants to introduce republican donors to other possibilities, saying quote, the party should be open to another candidate. interesting journey for club

for growth over the last several years, all in with donald trump, sort of changed to what they were about to fall in line with them, now saying they don't really believe he can win or he is not the future of the party. >> yeah it is not just split screen here with cpac being the trump, shows a club for growth not even letting trump come. one last note on cpac, see how nikki haley's received, she is the one else candidate who is in. -- not sufficiently loyal. >> very interesting. point >> -- to donald trump. then club for growth is trying to steer the party in another direction, at least for now. if donald trump, i think we all suspect if trump emerges as the heavyweight, if perhaps the cpac speech launches a renewed campaign, if he's able to fend off these challengers, i assume club for growth will operate back on. but the desantis thing is the shadow over all of this we are at least for now, the anti trump coalesced around desantis, and a more in theory than practice, what he has done in

florida totally unclear if that will play on the national stage, but he seems to have plenty of fox news support right now. joe, that is going to be in the days ahead, we will see see trump with cpac, and desantis with others at the club for growth gathering, what does that tell us about where the republican party is right now? still a long way from the election, but important first steps. >> coming up, while russian troops focus their offensive in the eastern part of ukraine, president volodymyr zelenskyy has a new objective. taking back crimea. but will that be a red line for russia? we will get into that straight ahead. ahead. i've never seen you the right only it's not easy it's not easy

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planning ways to fight russian forces in crimea, and take back the land that russia illegally annexed back in 2014. nbc news chief international correspondent, keir simmons is in crimea with more on the plans he and his team are the only western news organization

having a presence in crimea. >> we president putin's war planes targeting the besieged town of bakhmut. >> russia is destroying ukraine's defense is there, president zelenskyy said overnight. again, calling for western combat aircraft. he's also main objective is taking back crimea. in october, an explosion rocked president putin's prized bridge to the peninsula. putin blamed ukraine special services, kyiv never admitted responsibility. we crossed into crimea by train, across with the united nation calls, ukraine's internationally recognized border. >> this is where that explosion hit this bridge last october, at around this time in the morning. the bridge was fully reopened just last week. inside, the territory is -- with russian soldiers and if ukraine plans to take it back with force, many civilians will be caught in the middle.

2.4 million people live here. in sebastopol large numbers support russia. >> is crimea russian or ukrainian? >> crimea is russian? >> of course russian, forever the 73-year-old briscoe via -- tells me. >> there's a sign for a bomb shelter here. >> so what, she says. >> are you frightened? now she says, if it's need will just go to a bomb shelter. if we don't defend our motherland, we will become slaves he says. the streets are lined with propaganda, the west doesn't need russia, we need russia this post agrees. but the u.n. has accused russia of many human rights abuses in crimea. olga who's afraid to give us her last name tells us all mothers, both russian and ukrainian we pay for their children. [speaking non-english] >> i can't speak about it without tears, she says.

>> such a sad story. you know, you're not going to hear from administration officials or top people through -- whether it's the military, or its state, saying that there's a red line that will stop ukraine from going into crimea. but talk to them a little bit, it's been this way for quite some time, they're really not excited about the prospects of ukraine going into crimea. in part, because the beer horrifically difficult operation first of all, and secondly even before the war, a lot of the people in crimea consider themselves russians more than ukrainian. >> there is that, joe, and you're exactly right. there's also the spectacle of the under-reporting, in a sense, although this was being very well reported. but the under reporting of the horrific cost of the war, what's going on of both sides.

for instance, the russian, army, in quotes is not really an army, large elements of it, it's basically human wave assaults in crimea, into ukraine. there have been minor reports of half of the human wave of prisoners who are conscripted into the army, assaulting ukrainian lives without weapons. the death toll is incredible on both sides. ukrainians, i don't know how much longer they can look for volunteers because they have had an enormous number of volunteers, which is a huge tribute for the love of nation. but the expense of this war, not the fiscal if spence of this, more but the human toll of this war is mounting to -- >> yeah, and joe, what else have administration officials

so just quietly that crimea would not be the best idea for ukraine. -- president biden's visit to kyiv suggested in a call, in a zoom with other leaders, that they believe the u.s. government believes, that crimea would be a red line for putin. meaning that there are a few things at play here. first, of course, to mike's point, any sort of attempt to fight to win back crimea would come in a heavy toll, both in terms of man but also money. it also is not what the u.s. thinks ukraine can necessarily. when the russians have been dug in there for years. there will be extraordinary challenging battle if they were to go after crimea. lastly, they feel that that me a moment to provoke putin to really escalate the battle, and perhaps you some sort of weapon of mass destruction in particular, as the u.s. wants. crimea for him is soccer silent, and the u.s. -- should probably not make an

approach. there >> it's not just the united states, also many nato allies, especially the western wing of nato feel like crimea is a bridge too far. literally, a bridge too far. it will be too expensive for the ukrainians, and also, if there is a ruling in any of the territories that russia has control over right now, crimea, that's where they considered putin's red line. it is going to be a tall, tall ask for the ukrainians of their troops to go in there and, i just don't see it happening. let's bring in right now former chief of staff of the cia, department of the best, -- germany van, germany let me ask you you saw -- reporting out of crimea, is that a bridge too far? is that where putin's red line is? >> yeah, if you looked at putin 's speech last week, his state of the union and in fact, in

moscow, he said that essentially russia will never give up and that russia will never give up the territory that it has been on since 2014. i do, however, want to sound a note of caution about this discussion about zelenskyy. i think unfortunately that could have the negative effect of undercutting him as he fights those campaign, this campaign for global vision, this campaign to keep the west unified. i think the united states's position is right, which is that russia, every inch of ukrainian territory including crimea, that russia occupies, it is doing so illegally. and that ultimately russia will have to leave crimea. >> coming up, trump's -- transportation secretary pete buttigieg as the cleanup continues for the toxic train caution, ohio what changes he thinks need to be made. the action he says congress should take. should take. there would be a lot more kombucha... ...and a lot less business. inner voice (graphic designer): as a new small business owner... ...i've learned that trying to be the “cool” boss...

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derailment, and toxic chemicals in east palestine, ohio. the biden administration has been on the ground including the head of the epa, and transportation secretary, pete buttigieg. on wednesday show, i asked secretary buttigieg what changes he things need to be made. and what actions congress can make to prevent another dog sister like this from happening. and >> we know that it makes sense to have a higher sided on our ability to regulate things like breaking. we know that there can be higher standards for howitzers material. there's a category of train called a high hazard flammable train. believe it or not, even as we look at the images of this fireball, this train was not considered a high hazard family bubble train under the legal definitions. obviously, it just a common sense level, steps need to be taking to make sure that chains like this are held to a higher standard. to be clear, it was regulated as a hazardous material train, but it's also clear, in a country that still faces as

many as 1000 derailments a year, or more, that more has to be done to prevent these kinds of crashes. >> with secretary, good morning, two questions for you. you previously had expressed some regret that it took you two days to get to the site. first question, is president biden planning on traveling? second question, what more can congress can be done here, particular when it comes to punitive action for safety regulations. >> on the first question, what i do know is that the president cares a lot about this issue. he spoke about it would piddly with me and other senior members of the administration about what could be done, both to support the community, and to hold these railroads accountable. in terms of how that accountability works, look, right now one very frustrating thing for us as an agency is that there's a legal cap in the six figures. even on the most extreme violations of hazardous material rules that my department enforces.

just imagine what a low six figure fine means to a multi billion dollar company, like the class one -- right now epa has other authorities are using those authorities to hold norfolk southern countable. but on the safety regulation side, i really think congress should raise that cap. by the way, proposing to do that is one of the features of the bipartisan legislation led by senator brown, and senator vance, that is moving forward in the senate. but just one example of something that could make a difference. but there are so many steps, some of which, to be clear with been underway on since the administration arrived. others would require help from congress, but i think there's a real moment here. look, some of the house and senate republicans who are very quick to criticize when this case happened are not saying well, well, we're not so sure we want to regulate. but others, to their credit, the republicans and democrats, i have stepped forward and said yes, this is the time to have more accountability, and do more to for safety on americas rails.

>> mister secretary, as you just pointed out, there are a number of high hazard trains on the rails in this country, there have been toxic chemical spills around east palestine prior to this one, in that county, and other places in ohio, and certainly around the country. but when you get into talking about why this happened, and even though it's called 100% preventable by the chairman of the ntsb, when you get into talking about that, the top tens to make the railroad lobbyist sounds like the equals of the gun lobby. that nothing can be done because they're so powerful. one of the aspects that you mentioned is fines for the railroad. how are the fines set? what with this company have to be pay as a fine, given they make millions of dollars, and what can be done to hike the fine up so that it's mind-boggling lehigh? >> yeah, so, again i can't

speak to the finds that -- and whether violation is going to be found, there but what i will say is that one violation is found, there are statutory limits on the fines that we can assess. i think that they need to be much tougher, that the legislation that's been put forth in the senate is one way to do. that i think it goes to 1% of the companies income, and that's something that would be more likely to get their attention then the $225,000 or so, which is illegal maximum even if it results in a fatality. i do want to say that there are others work being done on the epa side to hold them accountable, for the cleanup, that's already happening. they're already paying for that. and, by the way, that's an example of why we need a strong epa. so a lot of the same voices who have been quick to get on to this issue, or trying to dismantle the epa just a couple -- three years ago, now we're

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debate stage should be able to say, i will support the will of the voters in the eventual nominee of our party. >> i want you to listen to what former president donald trump sought a couple of weeks ago in an interview with conservative review host, hugh hewitt, on this very topic. >> if you are not the nominee, will you support whoever the gop nominee is? >> it would depend. i would give you the same answer i gave in 2016 during the debate, it would have to depend on who the nominee was. >> so are you prepared to block the former president. >> well he signed in 2016, he did. it everybody side in 2016. >> but this is about the here in the. now >> i think they're all going to sign, and i really do. >> he is not gonna live by it though, he's going to sign, and what he'll say the same thing he said, their trump campaign spokesperson by the way, leaders wanted to mcdonald's calm and saying quote, president trump is going to support the republican nominee because it will be home. and there we have it. there we have it, jen psaki, this guy, it's just like this

-- doesn't mean a darn thing, it's just like you kept telling us he was going to release his taxes after the audit was over. oh man, no audit, no taxes over released, and donald trump said it himself, and his spokesperson said, it they'll support the nominee only if it's donald trump. >> i'm in, either this is a hurdle to having republican debates, which certainly it could be, or this is -- they're all gonna sign as she said, and they don't really care. because ronald mcdonald, and the republican national committee don't really, i mean they're not really a powerful force. nobody is waiting for them to tell them who to support, or what to do. it's kind of a challenge. that's why it's in such complete and crazy disarray, at this point, joe. but i'm not sure it matters whether not they sign it, to your point. >> yeah, really. -- the real -- that republicans have is that there is a very real possibility that if somebody did run against donald trump, if for some reason rhonda

sanchez went against donald trump and figured out a way to win, then i have no doubt donald trump would then run as an independent if he could, and split the party. >> you know, i think the debate over who is going to sign what and whether they mean the signature to be truth and accurate. i think it's meaningless. i think the larger question is each of these candidates, the republican candidates, they should be asked the question, and it's a neutral question, do believe that joseph r. biden is the legitimately elected president to the united states. that gives them a foundation of what they believe in, and the direction they're going to take. because this election it really is about something the republicans failed to do each and every time, and that is govern. they clearly don't know how to govern. they are still, look obama picked her past 10 to 12 years ago, they still oppose obamacare. they still, across all those years, i have not read propose

an alternative to obamacare. they can't. governmentally can figure out how to convince the american public that they know how to go word, that they're interested in governing, then, nothing. >> i might add that the republican candidates should face the question as to who the legitimate president can -- pose the question, are you siding with vladimir putin or not in the war in ukraine. if you like this could be important markers for a gop electorate. this also goes to show that the week -- we're talking about this because we know it's trump likely will not commit to backing the republican nominee, i also think that in that scenario that you just painted, there, joe let's say if desantis or someone else were to take on trump and a gop primary and defeat him. donald trump is not going to concede. donald trump is not going to acknowledge defede, don trump is going to do the same thing he did after the 2020 election and --

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country dropped the gilbert comic strip after the creator of the cartoon made controversial comments that publications are denouncing as racist and discriminatory. the cartoonist described people who are ballot as members of a hate group from which white people should get away. those comments came in response to a grassroots report survey in which 53% of black respondents agreed with the

statement. it is okay to be white, while 20% disagree. various media publications nationwide denounced adam's comments as racist, hateful, and discriminatory. while andrews mcneill universal which -- gilbert announced it would sever all ties with the cartoonist. the anti-defamation league has noted that phrase it is okay to be white, 4chan in 2017 as a trolling campaign. it has a long history of the supremacist movement. adams defended his remarks on twitter saying he was only quote advising people to avoid hate, and suggested the cancellation of his cartoon signals that free speech in america is under assault. he has since deleted the tweet. >> i have seen and spoken out against cancel culture, you and

i have actually as well in many cases spoken out against the wokeness of this cancel culture but i mean this is against people who are really intensely fighting cancel culture are saying this isn't council culture this is just racism being called out. people don't want to be associated with a guy that says i'm going to stay away from black people. >> this is not a question of being taken out of context this is not a question of saying something that you want to take back. this guy absolutely unequivocally advocated stay away from black people. let's remember he said it while he knew he was a cartoonist in these major publications, so he would is not penalized have been normalizing that it is all right for these publications to do business and put forward the

work of staying away from black -- people i think they did what they should have done, i think it would have been offensive, and really signaling some kind of -- to continue to do business. he has the right to say it, they have the right to say these do not -- and, for a elon musk and others to come to us, defense it makes this really question where they are standings, and how do they consider something bigger than racist, do you have to go out and use the and word out right, and even then they might find some way to justify. it >> certainly the right decision by these businesses, four atoms not the first time he has a things that were racist, or certainly -- we should all, not he as a phenomenon on some years, ago but he has really slipped in recent years, during the pandemic in particular, embracing full on conspiracy theories, dangerous covid conspiracy theories about government tracking.

about vaccines being fatal. about qanon, donald trump, the government, so this is a long downward slide and this full on racism with these remarks. >> and again, anybody that would defend him, they are defending this line right here, my best advice that i would give to what people is to get away from black people. that is what he said. and in a video that he put out. he said, and again, for those who are defending him right now, what you are defending is this line. the best advice i would give to white people, is to get away from black people -- well, that is just, that is just straight out racism. i will be really curious to say how many people and other

networks the fact that they are going to try to cast this as another example of cancel culture, when it is just flat out racism. this is not, you know, so much will culture, cancel culture has to do with evolving standards, right. we are not the same as we were ten years, ago we have become more sensitive to the topic, and cancel culture, you often hear people getting caught in these two areas. this would have been racist, in 1955. if somebody had gone on the steve allen show, and said my best advice would be to stay away from black, people that person in 1955 would have gotten in trouble. >> i don't think stephen allen would have let them finish the line, but i think that clearly, we are dealing with somebody that blatantly says we are not

even hedging in, well, what should stay away from some blacks if they do abc or have certain views. whites stay away from blacks. you can't get clearer, or bigoted, and more racist than not. the fact that it is even up for discussion, whether legitimate businesses can of the media world, that has a standard, would even debate that -- he put it up, he put the statement up. he had no problem with it. he advertised, and so maybe take a position, and you should stand by your position and suffer the consequences. >> still, ahead major league baseball is shaking things up the season, new rules to speed up the baseball, game and so, far it is working. it is making a real difference. we will talk to --

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season is about one month away, and this year is there is brand-new rules to improve the course of play -- is live from roger dean stadium. with the st. louis cardinals, sam, bring us up to date.

some crazy stuff this weekend. but, everybody i talked to loves it. >> yeah, i tell you, what good, morning it isn't over when it comes to the rules. major league baseball looking at the situation, it is like our average game is three hours and four minutes last year. the batting average was 2:43. that is the lowest it has been in more than a half century. we have to do something different to make the game more modern and dynamic. one of those changes, joe, or these bases. this is 2022 version, this is 2023 version. look at the discrepancy there. just the eye test that is a major difference, perhaps the biggest right now is to do with the pitch, county pitch clock that is over my -- this has been a major topic of conversation. >> the start of spring training usually reserved for -- perfecting pick offs, but this year has already featured quite

the curveball. >> number one. he is out. they have called strike three. >> the red sox -- and they want to brave hitter wasn't considered ready with its seconds left among pitch caught. >> the pitch clock, a lot of people -- affecting the hitter quite a bit. >> all-star jazz chisholm junior worries the new rule could be challenging if it applies. >> i'm -- the umpire doesn't know when you're in geisha unless he -- >> has for the other time regulations, it is 30 seconds between batteries, 15 seconds between pitches, this is a run around base then you get 20. the marlins sandy 100 is the reigning national league site under would where. >> all these new rule changes, which ones are coming out of the most in conversation? >> the clock. the clock. and because, most of the -- >> so their whole routines, --

>> enforcement is no walk in the park either. the pitch clock isn't automatic, it is run by a -- exactly when it goes back into the pitchers pit, and or not. >> fans reacting to the new rules. >> >> i like the speed of baseball, i like going out. >> other changes include the joint base is designed to promote more steals for players like john bernie. >> the major leagues believe last year or 41 stolen bases. so your looking at this right, here it is nice, nice and big. so you like? this this is a good one? >> yeah, i, mean hopefully it encourages more of the baseball, -- >> it owns a special place in american culture. now, home play guys, that will stay the same, but it is worth

noting as a high degree of subjectivity when it comes to the pitch, koch specifically when it goes -- is going to get a bus, but the question is, did the pitcher starters, motion or not, because all he has to do is begin the motion to not have it be a violation between the umpire, and as to when that starts. the same time when they had asserted being gauge quote unquote, put eight seconds after the, clock they play around with the batting and they're playing with the plate, but they are in the box and looking at the pitcher. when exactly does that occur. that is going to be up to the, empire of the players are telling, me however you apply these, rules please do so consistently, because when it is not applied consistently, that is when you get really upset. fans and teams. >> and that is the key, that is a fascinating, report and we want to go -- certainly it was the downer that --

that way, but like he said, if you are going to preseason, game call it the last play of the super bowl, it is the world series and, if this is the goal, and it is -- i don't remember, you are always in on all these conversations, you are always hearing about these rule changes, what are the concerns that you heard, and as it's making its way through major league baseball with the owners. >> there were two, one is a pitcher, the other one is the start of his mind i'm, because if the start of the one damn of course had two seconds left on the clock, doesn't mean that his violated the rule, the other aspect is -- veterans for a long time, they would look like they have the

bat in their shoulder up to maybe five or four seconds, then they get ready. so, does the empire call? it that you're not paying attention and not ready to hit at eight seconds because we lean back with the -- that is going to be interesting to watch. >> and that does it for this hour of morning joe weekend. >> it is really just wonderful being here this weekend. >> i know it is. we are so blessed. okay, but, wait there is more. our second hour of morning joe weekend begins right after the break. >> what are you gonna do now? >> no, we will be on morning joe weekend. >> on the next, hour yeah. then after that what you are going to do? >> i will go running. yeah, i will be right back. >> good morning and welcome to the second hour of mourning your, weekend we will start at this morning with attorney general merrick garland to visit to capitol hill this week. garland faced a barrage of

attacks wednesday from republicans during a senate judiciary committee hearing. as is customary for an attorney general to, due garland appeared before the new congress to answer questions about a wide range of topics. but the a.g. spent a large portion of the four-hour hearing defending himself from a republican accusations of political bias. >> i have to say i'm deeply disappointed in what the last two years have, shown and in my, judgment at the department of justice has been politicized to the greatest extent i've ever seen in this country. and, it is done a discredit to the department of justice, at the fbi, and the law in this country. >> i also want to respond to your characterization of the department that you are in, vigorously describing the men and women of the department was doing their work every single day, and a non-person -- >> when rioters descended on the homes of six supreme court

justices, night, after night, after night, you did nothing. have you brought a single case against any of these protesters -- justices under section 15 or seven, even once? >> senator jasmine weather i sat on my, hands in quite the opposite i sent 70 native state marshals -- >> or the unwilling to say? know the answer is no, you know it is, no i know it is, know everyone in this hearing knows it is no. you are not willing to answer a question. >> when you issued the directive, when you corrected the criminal divisions and your -- visions to investigate parents or angry at school boards. >> i did not do that, i did not issue any memorandum issue the investigation of parents or their children. the violence, the threats of

violence against a whole host of school personnel. it was not aimed at parents making complaints to the school board. >> attorney general, are you cultivating sources and spies, -- >> the justice department does not do that. >> how many informants do you have in catholic churches across america? >> i don't know, and i don't believe we have any informers into catholic churches. >> does your department have a problem with bias? >> our department is -- protects all religions, and all ideologies, it does not have any bias against -- decisions to go about this moment on the ground by -- >> so you are saying you don't know? >> i'm saying what i just said -- >> which is that you are advocating responsibility? >> i'm not advocating responsibility. >> then give me the answer, do you think in your opinion you are the attorney general of the

united states? you are in charge of the justice department, and yes sir, you are responsible. so, give me an answer. am i supposed to hang long guns and assault style weapons, you are happy to deploy them against catholics and innocent children. >> joe, we have to start with the acting. it is just -- >> oh my god. >> i was just thinking, will he -- i mean, acting, can somebody pick up on the, because looking at this, i was thinking, i really think that -- should do -- i think a service to all of these members if we could play the sarah mclaughlin in the arms of an angel, right, and save for $5, just for $5 you can contribute to people who are insurrectionist against the united states of america, who tried to overthrow a democratic election, and help without -- >> i must say, by the way, here we have these three populists,

the guy is screaming, at again some of the worst acting i have seen. >> i am still about to -- you have the first guy, was a princeton boy, and i think he went to harvard law school, and then you have the -- oxford boy who voted for john kerry, and then you have josh hawley screaming the insurrectionists. i love, this then you had the oxford -- and then you heard josh hawley who would stand for law school, and they are all screaming and yelling, doing their populist nonsense. this is very good, we need oxford, if we can do one that just has --

and, we voted for john kerry, and played for -- >> that was so bad. >> but first of, all ten -- about the most politicized apartment, ever following -- justice department, and barr who played again, just playing donald trump lacking until the very and when he said well, i need to get out and write a book about how i won the war. it is really, it is mind-boggling that and you have -- -- they actually have the -- two act shocked, and then ask merrick garland. this is like, this is like who is this republican ever -- >> well, not -- >> i thought you meant in

history. grassley. grassley. >> grassley. what is it with these people? they're taking ar-15s, they -- it is unbelievable. it is unbelievable. that they are doing this, really, but again, you have donald trump, not one of them complained when donald trump was pushing his attorney general to arrest his political opponent, and their family two weeks before the presidential election. and these are the people that led the insurrection against the united states government, from within the legislative branch. they are the ones that are the most shocked and stunned. what a joke. >> i think they're probably not shocked and stunned as we saw by the bed acting, we have to get a workshop or something.

maybe -- would volunteer some of his time, some of our great directors, and it is a little much as you point out, because these are the very people, these are the very senators who cheered on the insurrection, who supported, the people who went to the, capital and i won't even explain to you if you are watching the, show wondering what senator paul it was talking about there, a story about a man in pennsylvania who stand on third in abortion clinic, harass as women as they go in and out, got into a conversation with a shoving match, charged with assaulting, acquitted later. it was the way he was arrested that he was talking about, and -- to arrest him, they thought that was too much, and -- if you are living in your life every day, or -- cable news or internet that is what they wrote in that hearing with the attorney general yesterday so seizing on these people these incidents to make

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that rupert murdoch admitted some of the networks host endorsed false claims about the 2020 election. today fox news promised to focus on real issues, then introduced their newest hosts gilbert. >> well, okay, welcome back. i guess we should give trump a moment to not watch, because he doesn't want to get triggered really. here we, go visiting some key primary state as he tells's new book. the cross country tour includes

plant stops in california, alabama, and texas. now according to a source familiar with his, plans at the governor is also looking at visiting iowa, new hampshire, nevada, and possibly south carolina. desantis has long been speculated to run for president, but he has yet to make a formal announcement. -- any white house, been hinting can aim at the florida governor on social, media and trump writing -- cut social security, and raise the minimum age to at least, 70 at least four times, likewise with, medicare one of big cuts. he is a wheelchair off the cliff kind of guy, hey, trump also claimed fox news is promoting desantis, writing quote, the new fox poll which have already been purposefully terrible for me as trump crushing dissent ammonium, it

is back to the sanctimonious. but they rarely show it. really, the meatball is getting to him. it is obsessed with the meatball. we will stick with that name. >> he likes sanctimonious. he did some mistake i think. it is gone better. -- >> triggered. >> this book tour that one desantis is on, perhaps it's just a coincidence. there are nice bookstores in des moines, and just -- charleston, south carolina, he's also going to the reagan library to an event which is just a big step to touch that stone. is this a sort of informal announcement that he is running for president, or at least some type of exploration of that, and clearly as we've said now 100 times on the, show donald trump is more than one person, and one person only in this, race that is one of by pulling by the, way only one person at this where he needs to be worried about. >> it is a soft launch for desantis, but he has some, time his team has said that he can't really do anything until the

florida legislation wraps up, not something told june. also, there is a florida state law that a current of state -- can't seek another office, so he would have to get that law changed, but rather subservient -- will do that for him, so that should be an obstacle for desantis. he is telling, and so is trump's, response as we know he is focused on one candidate, one candidate only. he hasn't said much about nikki haley for instance. he sees the polls, he sees that desantis off the cliff guy is the threat whatever that means. but, they're trump is clearly unhappy with the airtime desantis is getting, he knows how important the fox news will be to a gop primary, early next year, and secondly, breaking with some of the board here about medicare and social security which has been a popular issue for the biden white house to be interpolations with the rick scott plan et cetera. some republicans have offered

some support, but trump has been clearly against it. he has if you that as a, loser any trying to set -- >> that is the winner of the cliff. nadia they will push the elderly people benefit from social security off the cliff. that is what he is referring to there. as a veteran of public politics, for me different time perhaps, what do you make of the way this race is starting to take a bit of shape and desantis setting off the signals that he may step up around against donald trump? >> what is also interesting, as we are desantis doesn't seem to differ from trump on policy. it is the initial statements about ukraine and positively -- much more concerned about the southern border of the united states, than the border with ukraine or something. and, a person other away seems to be more of the -- large security is nikki haley. so one of the questions in this is not -- a republican difference and the size of government, and a number of other issues. some of the old foreign policy debates, between 80 new cons,

america first, and -- traditionalist like i used to be. and, we are beginning to see, that and furious with pompeo very anti chinese, and i don't know where pence is, it is going to come, out but i'm curious to see where does the republican feel to come out and obviously -- the bigger the field, the better for donald trump. he's obviously hoping that the and who trump spread the, vote and he still gets the duality. >> you touched on governor desantis, effectively said in an interview last, week russia's aims to not go far beyond ukraine, there's not much to, worry about yes ukraine is, bad but i wouldn't worry about the rest. it will come as news to the bucharest nine, and other members of nato. >> no, but very much, a -- to me at least it's, important or significant would be trump if you see to what extent beyond him did his ideas essentially become the future of this republican party, and unleash a foreign policy right now if trump and desantis were two leading candidates, they would actually be pretty similar. >> and we should know of,

course not one desantis i-10, eric ziebach, which kicks off later this week, just outside washington d.c.. and, the former president going to address the -- on saturday, desantis wants nothing to do with, it so we are going to have this sort of split screen between the two current heavyweights in the republican party. >> still ahead, we will continue the 2024 conversation, how president biden is setting the table for his reelection bid. that is next on morning joe weekend. g jo weekend. a brewer): if i just stare at these payroll forms... my business' payroll taxes will calculate themselves. right? uhh...nope. intuit quickbooks helps you manage your payroll taxes, cheers! with 100% accurate tax calculations guaranteed. choosing a treatment for your chronic migraine - cheers! 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more - can be overwhelming. so, ask your doctor about botox®. botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine before they even start. it's the #1 prescribed branded chronic migraine treatment. so far, more than 5 million botox® treatments

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you created it. you did it. you all know how much we have gotten done, and a lot of the country still doesn't know, it that is why the -- mostly passed, so people start to see it in our lives, because you produced it, you stepped up and got it done. >> that was president biden on wednesday speaking to house democrats at the retreat in baltimore. his speech felt too many like a preview of 2024 when -- he went back the majority in congress. on thursday, we spoke with one of the top house democrats, congressman ted lieu about the presidents message. >> what will you be -- focused on in the next two years to try and win back the, house now that you have a leadership that we have seen some committees now on things like the weaponization of the fbi to use their term, things like disinformation during

covid that we heard yesterday, we had democrats rebutting and saying okay, let's talk about this information from the former president during covid. what is your message to win back the house? >> thank you for your question, two things, first president biden was -- his administration, and house democrats did. with people -- a series of transformative laws to help american family, such as there -- while democrats want to rebuild highways, republicans focused, on and here is the second thing, they spent enormous congressional resources to do a congressional hearing to complain about twitter. so when you talk about how we implement the amazing laws the democrats pass, with extreme maga republicans, or focusing on issues -- that the american people don't care about right now. >> good morning, congressman,

the president will release his budget next, week he is called for kevin mccarthy, putting speaker mccarthy in this proposal out as well, and certainly this comes as a fight looms over the debt ceiling and -- he will again today when he meets with senate democrats. how worried are you though, looking at your colleagues across the aisle that they will be willing to play partisan politics with the death, sealing and potentially some a nation hurling over the cliff. >> i am very worried, and disturbed, it is flat out unpatriotic and an american to say we are going to risk defaulting our debts. the full faith and credit of the united states of america should never be question and is highly disturbing republicans are doing this. why are they doing this, they want to extract cuts to social security and medicare, republican senator ron johnson has called social security wrongfully a ponzi scheme, republican westcott was filament all federal programs

and five u.s. including social security medicare unless they reauthorize it, so that is where the party is headed and democrats are going to stop it. >> congressman, they think this change enormously over the past ten years and now a largely visual people hear about when you see things of their, phones their ipads, yesterday was a fairly significant day i would think in politics do to elect with these pronouncements that they are going to reduce the cost of insulin and kept it at $35. someone pointed out that they did this under pressure, president biden pushing such a move, and mentioning in the state of the union, things like that. yet, it didn't get this much of a ripple effect. it was all there as news yesterday, everything like, that but has an enormous impact on millions of americans who view politics on what they see, bridges being, built construction being underway, and insulin cost reduced.

how do you capitalize on the visual things about politics? >> that is a great question. in this case, we are likely to democrats pass a law, inflation reduction act that kept insulin at $35 for medicare recipients and now -- seeing this as decided to follow suit under pressure for the biden administration and they are doing it for all recipients. as a result, what is to say the american people a lot of money we need to use insulin and stuff, we have to keep repeating over and over again, and these are going to see it in their monthly cost. they want to see that it is lower, they're paying less for insulin now because of what democrats in the biden administration did. >> all right, congressman ted, luke thank you very much. coming, up new intelligence on what might be behind the condition known as havana syndrome. morning joe weekend is back in

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officials cited, pre-existing medical conditions. environmental factors, and an environment in which spies and diplomats perceive that they were under mysterious attack. starting in late 2016, u.s. diplomat and spies serving in cuba began reporting bizarre sounds followed by unexplained illnesses, including hearing and vision loss. memory and balance, problems, headache and nausea. over the years, around 15,000 u.s. government employees have come forward in more than a dozen countries -- i know some people who actually have been inflicted by this, they are likely to be not happy with the conclusions, or the ambiguity that is there. sort of, not to simplify this, but the achieving of the approach, nothing to see, here move along, move along.

when you have professionals in the cia that went to other countries, and started experiencing immediately some pretty severe conditions that they are still finding now, -- >> no, joe, you're absolutely right. our mutual friend -- cia officer who is a frequent guest i know on your, show i spoke to him, yesterday he is not satisfied with this. as you know, he has said publicly, he was struck down while he was on assignment in moscow. with a brain injury that left -- forced to retire from the cia, and he's getting treatment for now. there are many people like, that and they are not, happy they are perplexed by this. they are perplexed by this intelligence assessment, but i tell, you i spent two hours listening to a briefing yesterday inside the director, the office of the director of national intelligence over liberty crossing. it was about as a definitive the intelligence community

gets. they said they conducted an incredibly intensive investigation involving hundreds of officers around the world. they look deeply at places where people thought they were stricken by a potential attack from a foreign adversary where they came down with these victims, and they cornered off the area, they looked at every potential electronic device in the area, every human being that traversed that area, in some cases they tracked people for months, they tracked -- no evidence of foreign involvement, and they said they found some intelligence to refuted, but foreign adversaries, presumably overheard on intercepts expressing puzzlement over this whole thing, and then thinking it is a u.s. disinformation plot. and, they often found no credible evidence that any weapon exists that could deliver what some experts thought could be microwave energy causing sometimes. they also said that, when health experts began to study the full range of all the people that were saying they were struck by this, they found

that the symptoms were really not, similar there really isn't a thing called havana syndrome that you can quantify in -- as medical experts, that a lot of desperate sometimes. so they are citing an environmental factors, pre-existing medical conditions, it is not going to be satisfying, already i'm seeing senator marco rubio -- ranking republican on the senate intelligence committee is saying, he has concerns about, is he thinks they are not looking deeply enough, i know there are people in the open source world who are still investigating this. but, the intelligence community with the resounding, resounding assessment yesterday saying, extremely unlikely that it was a foreign adversary, can't tied to any attacks whatsoever. guys? >> all right, nbc's -- thank you so much, as always, we greatly appreciate it. really, it has to be so frustrating, he talked about -- who was in russia, and got hit

with this. you had reports of people driving through intersections, and having to pull over, and a horrible impact on the brain injuries. other people describing it to dismiss it as, pre-existing injuries, or environmental factors, obviously has to be very frustrating for those who get hit with this. >> and these are sophisticated people who work in the field for many years, who have been all over the place and experience all kinds of obstacles. they know what they know, and they know they didn't all have the same pre-existing condition that forced dozens of them to suddenly feel this way. so this is not going to satisfy a lot of, people i suspect we have not heard the last of the story. >> coming up, a new survey this week found that most recent college graduates are emotionally unprepared for the workforce. more discussion on that after a short break.

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our usual morning segment this week, making across the front page of the washington times, with this headline [interpreter] [interpreter] . young professionals struggle to adapt to workplace. the article looked at the study of college graduates between 22 and 28 years old. more than half said they had sought help for emotional problems like anxiety or depression. some advocates claims this on soft parenting or falling academic standards that only got worse during the pandemic. we thought the story needed a much longer discussion, so, we gave it one. >> it's very interesting that friends my age, i'm really old, who have kids, kids in this age bracket, they're not looking at their children, blaming their children for challenges they're going through.

they are looking at themselves and saying, were we soft parents? it's a new discussion out there, and -- don't do it, it's called snowplow parenting. you have helicopter parroting, snowplow parenting is when you get in the snowplow and you push everything out of your child's way, because you want them to have a better life then you had. and all the things you had to wrestle with and get through, you want to help make things easier for your kids. and what one medical professional after another medical professionals saying is we've had people on the show talk about it, is that parents, people my age and younger, have done their children a grave disservice by doing this, because anxiety, when your younger, jean robinson, what

they're saying when they come on our show's don't bubble wrap your kids. the anxiety is what helps them when they are younger, in smaller situations, be able to respond, to be able to absorb it. be able to process it and move forward. but if you are snowplow parents, you are not going to knock -- you knock everything out of their way for the first 20 years of their lives, 22 years of their life, it's going to be harder to move forward. >> yep. well, i'm not sure either of my sons would say we are snowplow parents, but honestly, i think we did more for our kids then our parents did. in part because we were able to do more. >> right. >> we were able to contribute financially to their higher education, for example. in a way that our parents we're not able to do. >> yeah.

>> by the same token, they've been out and had their setbacks, and i don't think us or them fits the sort of description of fragility and snowflake in this. that's being used -- [laughter] >> we were not suggesting that! i wasn't going to go there. >> you know, i'm saying, i think it's an interesting story. i just am always suspicious about stories that are like, kids today! you know? kids today are kids today. >> one study after study after another study shows high incidences of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation,

a lot of things going on there. one of the reasons fronts of mind is i saw a naomi ferguson, a neil ferguson column in bloomberg yesterday that talked about this. the numbers are just overwhelming. it's interesting. there is this counter, too, i actually took out of this piece, talking about how teenagers and a little older are actually becoming less, are being more risk averse, more concerned. listen to this. this is so fascinating. the percentage of u.s. high school girls who have had, have ever had sex in 2011 was at 46%. now, it's at 31%. had sex with warm or partners, 13%. now, it's at 5%. currently, sexually active, 34%. now, 23%. drink alcohol in the past 30

days was at 38%, now at 26%. had ever used illicit drugs, that was 18%, that drop down to 15%. it's interesting. a couple of things going on at the same time. higher suicidal ideation, depression, anxiety, psychiatric challenges -- >> lower risky behavior. >> but again, the less risky behavior than even ten years ago. fascinating. >> yes, and fewer teen pregnancies. i think we agree those are all good things,. he were teen pregnancies, less alcohol, less drug use, you cannot discount that pandemic of the last few years and what that's done to kids. combined with micah was talking about social media, we just didn't grow up with. it allows you, in the case of the pandemic, forces you to be isolated and just to be staring into your phone and comparing yourself to other people, two other young girls, two other teenage girls online and saying,

why don't i look like that? why haven't i've been there? why am i not at that party? something else, mike. i'd be interested in your point of view, having raised some damn good kids, is college. with a hat tip to my wife, we talk about this, too. now, college is so crazy competitive to get into the right place, where you want to go, the kids grow up from the time they are ten years older 12 years old, building a resume. not necessarily having as much grits, maybe, as they could have, because they're thinking about how is this going to look if i want to get into school x or y? >> this is such a big issue we're talking about here. first of all, do i mika point in the point you just raise, willie, the lack of socialization that was strip from so many kids during covid. the inability to be with our friends in school for a couple of years. that's one issue, certainly. the other issue you just pointed to when you said your wife, kids today have a much stronger chance at the starting

gate if there is a mother and the father in the family, and the divorce rate, of, course keeps going up in this country. so, that's another factor. but the biggest factor of all, in the college application process, for some reason or another, kids and sometimes, because of the parents feeling about the college application process, you're going to be happy no matter where you get in. you're going to get in some place. you might not get into harvard, but they'll be a school for you. they'll be a place for you. the other idea, i'm better with voice than i am with girls. we have lots of both in our family, seven children. but with voice, it's different. i think you have to grab them early at seven, eight, nine years of age and you have to realize today, the menu of dangers available right there for kids today, the menu of danger, is so much more then it was even ten years ago. it's almost incomprehensible, i

think, for parents, parents of a certain age, 40s, 50s, whatever, to realize that menu of dangers lurks each and every day. it's a private menu, because the kids can't get it on their phones, without you looking over their shoulder. -- you know years ago what they're watching on tv, now, you don't know. they were young boys. you have to tell them for seven or eight years of age, no matter what they're good at, no matter what they're doing, you've got to remind them gently, you weren't great. i love you. you are the best. but there's always going to be someone better. >> still ahead on morning joe, weekend, we look at the officer nominated documentary about the fearless couple. they spent their lives in some of the most dangerous places on earth.

>> this is katia and this is maurice. tomorrow, will be their last day. alone, they could only dream of volcanoes. together, they can reach them. they meet on a blind day at a café. from here on out, life will only be volcanoes, volcanoes, volcanoes. four katia and maurice, the unknown is not something to be feared. it is something to go towards.

katia and maurice insisted that this type of close-up studies had to be done. in this world, lived a fire. and in this fire, two lovers found a home. >> that was a clip from the national geographic documentary, fire of love. it is nominated for best documentary feature at this year's academy awards. it tells the story of a adrenaline seeking volcanologists and lovers, katia and maurice craft. the writ the pair wrist ultimately lost their lives studying the dangers and inner workings of volcanoes around the world. joining us now, the director of the academy award nominated film, sarah doses. sarah, it's so great to have you on. congratulations for the nomination. what drew you to it? >> i was utterly captivated by katia and maurice craft story.

there's such examples of people who pursue their passion with such unabashed clarity. they were in love with each other and the earth, and the fact they dedicated their lives towards exploring the mysteries of our planet captured that through utterly spectacular footage. it was truly a dream project for me and my team to work on. >> yeah. the pictures on the video is absolutely at the promo even said, hypnotic. it's so captivating. it's so beautiful. what is it about their story that you hope viewers will take away? >> so, katia and maurice krafft, they really had a love triangle type of relationship with volcanoes. they were in love with the earth. that radiated through their every frame of cinematography, and their photography, and for a storytellers, not just created a beautiful and inspiring narrative for us that we really hope audiences can connect with a feeling of love for the planet and conjure empathy for it. so, we're living in a time where our planet is under

siege. but if people can care for its, can respect it, can understand the power and craft the sentience of the planet the way katia and maurice crafted, we can work our way towards repairing the myriad of crises we're facing now. >> can you talk a little bit about their obsession with volcanoes, if you could? it was well put in the trailer there that most people run away from them, and they were so drawn to them. so drawn to them of a ultimately, they got as close as a human can get. but what is it about their obsession? >> yes, so katia and maurice rubble scientists. they absolutely were fascinated from that kind of scientific perspective of trying to understand how the planet worked. they were drawn in by that pursuit of knowledge, and volcanoes represented this massive mystery. in their own words, they believed volcanoes were beyond human comprehension. so, that drew them towards, to

try to understand, all the while knowing that the mystery was beyond. they also felt kind of almost a spiritual sense when they were near volcanoes. they were scientists. they didn't necessarily use religious languages, but volcanoes represented the ultimate in creation and destruction. when katia and mores were near volcanoes, they were but missing the birth of the world, so, for them, that was just deeply meaningful, transcendent experience. it made them feel most alive. my understanding volcanoes, by studying volcanoes, by capturing their power through their cinematography, that pretty much afforded the pathway towards living a life of meeting, principally, of love. >> what ultimately, do you think, what mysteries are solved? what mysteries of volcanoes or of climate change or of love? what gets off in this, or do you have to wait and see? >> i think fire of love is actually about the process of

asking the deep questions. it's about the unknown's of the big, but dialing forces of our planet, as well as the mysteries of the human heart. i think tremendous knowledge can still be gained in that journey towards that same question. katia it, maurice river, like acknowledge that volcanoes are beyond human understanding, the process of studying them brought tremendous insight in terms of how our planet works. one of the most notable contributions is their imagery went towards producing videos that helped educate governments, decision-makers, on how volcanoes do operate. in an attempt to advocate for a warning system, evacuation plans, to prepare people, to kind of live in relationship more with volcanoes, you know? in attempt to stave off the kind of catastrophic events that we've seen. so, there were advocates that communicated almost on behalf

of volcanoes, so people could better understand how dangerous they could be. in an attempt to save lives. >> my thanks to director sara dosa, the oscar nominated fire of love is streaming on this c plus and hulu. that does it for us this morning, joe weekend is back here -- >> do you need more coffee? >> i like it when you get me one coffee. >> just one. >> every weekend morning. >> just one. >> and you get just. right >> i think it's funny that you go into starbucks and your jealous. >> i don't. >> and you are broke. it's hilarious. we'll see you back here monday morning at, six i am, eastern. have a great left of the weekend. weekend. >> this is the katie phang show, live from miami, florida. we've got lots of news to cover and a lot of questions to answer. so, let's get started. as