>> this is the katie phang show. live for, miami. florida bilodeau news to cover and lots of questions to answer, so let's get started. 58 years since bloody sunday,

we are live in salma, alabama. and a community that served as a major turning point in the civil rights movements. my question, is are there lessons from 1965 that we still need to learn today? plus, trump and, cpac the conservative conference is over. former president making a typical bombastic speeches he attempts to retake the white house. does he really have the momentum to capture the republican augmentation? and later, a spike in child labor with migrant children as young as 13, being used to clean blood in this -- houses. i want to know what the biden administration is doing to solve these. problems all of that and more is coming up. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ a good sunday morning. here i am katie phang. we begin the show with remembrance of a major turning

point in the civil rights movement. biden is set to arrive in, selma alabama today to help commemorate the 58th anniversary of bloody sunday. march 7th, 1965, a group of 600 civil rights demonstrators led by activists john louis gil became ministries congresswoman marched across the bridge. just as they cross the group, it was viciously attacked assaulted by alabama state troopers who were under orders party twelves to use whatever means necessary to stop. the dozens were injured and 70 were hospitalized. that violent event was broadcast far into identity. and it helped galvanize public support for voter reform. a few months later, the voting right act of 1965 was passed. joining us, now, live from selma, alabama, nbc news correspondent antonia hilton. antonia, it's always good to see. you walk us through what biden is expecting to do today.

and how the community is remembering bloody sunday. >> good, morning katy. residents here are deeply grateful that the president is joining for the commemoration this ear. we expect the president to get a some around 3:30 eastern time this afternoon. we expect me talk about the importance of voting rights in the critical moment we are, in 58 years after bloody sunday. some residents here are looking forward to hearing this conversation about voting rights, the national level report of this. they're also the level of personal need right. now coming six weeks after this community here in selma was devastated by a tornado that has torn through. residents tell me that they're republican efforts have been difficult and very and evening at times. what you're going to see as you give this top and walk across the bridges people and leaders come through some every year to do. but also to potentially survey that damage, being conversation

wi 150 different bills moving at the state level, that would restrict voting rights. so we can expect biden to touch on some of that. how 50 years after the legacy of congressman john lewis, the images that shocked the nation that you described that day, as people were beaten with clubs and bowl, ups fighting for their rights to vote, how there is still a struggle in many ways. today as we, see this legislation moving through more than half of the states in this country. we can expect you to talk about. that also, potentially, they need for the senate to take action of the john lewis voting rights act as well. another personal touch here, because this community is looking to biden for additional federal resources so they can get back on their feet and support people who continue to live here in the sister city, katie. >> my thanks to you, antonia hylton, for your coverage. now, we are going to return to

one of the most important battles for a generation of americans who are straining under the weight of student loan debt. on tuesday with the united states supreme court we are documents about biden's student loan relief plan. which could cancel up to $20,000 of debt for some borrowers. the super majority conservative court seem skeptical about biden's authority to access a program. but also question whether the challengers even have the legal standing. this relief plan with affect more than 43 million americans. and to give you a sense about how much the cost of college skyrocketed over the years, they justices dissented a fate for millions of americans peyton average of just over $42,000 to get a higher education. today, they pay more than $320,000. joining me now is joyce, advance former united states attorney in alabama and msnbc legal analyst. she is also the co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. more importantly for, me she is one of the most brilliant legal minds happens to be friends.

some always grateful into spencer time with us on the katie phang show. joyce, good morning. let's start with standing. why would a lack of standing give this supreme court an off ramp to decide these cases? even amy coney barrett question if there were standing here. >> standing is a legal doctrine that says not just anyone can go into court. you have, to as lawyers,, be someone who is been bored by the ox. you have to be somebody with skin in the game. and through that it means you have to be somebody who's legal rights are touched upon by this legislation, by this executive action. it also has to be something that the courts can remedy for you. the standing argument, what you can tell katie from this convoluted explanation, this is a hyper technical doctrine. when it comes down to here is that the states that are suing, perhaps not individual defendants but states, do not have standing. because this executive action

by the biden administration would not impact them. sure, there are parties that might be impacted. but they have not chosen to stay. so typically in a case where there is no standing, like in this one, the court simply dismisses the case. they stand but dismissed for lack of standing. and that is the end of. it and that is what the court would do in this case, if a tree that like every other case. >> joyce, let's move on and talk about the major questions doctrine. it is rearing its head again in this case. we heard it when the epa basically got a little bit destroyed last, term with the supreme court. this major doctrine seems to be a very convenient and justifying the means way for the super majority conservative scotus to get where it wants to be on certain cases. for me it seems hypocritical that republicans complain about judicial activism. do we know exactly what these conservative justices are doing in this instance? >> i think you are describing

the major questions doctrine exactly the right way. it isn't ends oriented doctrine, it is not worthy of the supreme court. in, fact it is relatively. new it is not hinged any major constitutional principles. this is what the court. says unless congress is really really explicit, about the authority of the executive branch to take some really important action, that we as the conservative majority on the supreme court don't, like then the president is not entitled to do. that as you, mentioned they did in the epa case involving setting levels for greenhouse gas emissions. its use in this case is particularly hypocritical because there is legislation, the heroes act, the permits the president and by extension the department of education to take this sort of action, re-mediating student loans in the face of a national emergency. covid is clearly a national emergency, when biden chose to act in this regard. it's that justification would seem clear for anyone who is

committed to following the text of the law, something that the conservative majority claimed it was committed to doing for years but apparently not when there is someone like president farther the wally. >> let's go to justice john roberts. i'm a question for him on the side. >> i think it is appropriate to consider that some of the fairness arguments, you have these two situations. two kids come at a high school, they cannot afford college. one takes the loan, the other says i'm gonna try my hand at setting up a long care service. and he takes out a bank loan for that. at the end of four, ears we know statistically that the person with the college degree is going to do significantly financially better over the course of life, then the person without. >> joyce, i was astounded with the complaints from justices

robert and gorsuch about, quote, fairness. those justices did not seem to take that into consideration when they overturned roe v. wade in the dobbs case, which impacted millions of americans. isn't it intellectually and legally dishonest to talk about fairness when the text of the heroes act less body to do exactly what he wants to do here? >> you know, what justice roberts is calling fairness there is really republican policy arguments. for wider biden should not have made this decision. and the supreme court is not a policy making body. the issue of whether it is fair to relax student loan requirements has been done in industries. there has been relief in the auto industry, relief in the airline industry, tax breaks for the wealthiest americans. so that is the fairness arguments about whether something should be done here for student debt holders. and that argument belongs in the congress of the united states, which chose not to act. with the president did here was

take action that the administration believes was warranted by they text of the heroes act. the supreme court's job is to decide whether or not legally it was the correct decision. and i think this is a giveaway. this fact that the court has straight into the policy arguments tells you a lot about what is animating the supreme court. it is not the legal decision-making is supposed to limit itself to. >> and, again it is that judicial activism that they're always screaming about on the conservative side. we know exactly is being deployed by this particular scotus. i want to thank you my friend joyce vance for joining us this morning and helping us dive deep into the student debt relief legal morey. i leave you. yet another train derailment involving norfolk southern. this time, 20 cars nicaraguan went off the tracks near springfield, ohio, yesterday evening. the company says that no hazardous materials were on. board unlikely institute early february and east palestine,

ohio. biden spoke to the wind last night to offer assistance. federal inspectors have already arrived on site. still to come on the katie phang show this morning. this tuesday marks the 50th anniversary of bloody sunday, and the cellmate marchers. i will talk to one man who is mother helped transport black demonstrators, it was ultimately killed by the kkk. plus, why federal authorities are expanding their power opening to shocking reports of migrant children working in slaughterhouses in the united states. but first, my sunday morning power political panel drops by to break down the thought that was cpac 2023. and what that means for the 20 24% for primary field. we have launched a morning. , so keep it right here. so keep it right here. connect your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns

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this one was not for the history books. big names in potential 2024 hopefuls like florida governor ron desantis and former vice president mike pence skipped the conference in its entirety, opting instead for a competing event down in palm beach, florida. cpac ended last night, not with a bang but with a pretty lame member, as trump delivered a lackluster, it rambling speech. it was largely what you might expect from trump, more lies about the outcome of the 2020 election, reeling against liberal leaders and setting the stage for what is inevitably going to be a chaotic a white house reelection bid. joining us now for this morning's power political panel, basil michael jr., director of public policy at hunter college and democratic strategist, and rachel vindman, founder and co host of the suburban women problem, a podcast from red, wine and blue. rachel, i want to welcome to the state of florida, more help we can get the better we will all be, i also appreciate a guest being here this morning. basil, i will start with you, the trump speech --

oh? well, i am sorry about that, rachel. >> no, happy to be on your show! >> thanks, it is okay. that is all, i will start with you. last night, trump's speech, a whole lot of the same. he might have found himself the target of several criminal and civil investigations, but certainly has found originality since he left the oval office. what do you make of trump's speech? >> well, i tell you, it was a rambling speech, as you said. it was a tease. he talked about the fact he would be this warrior for justice, this soldier in this final battle, a soldier for retribution. it sounded like a bad batman script, it didn't really sound like a presidential candidate who, you know, is trying to win back a good chunk of the republican party who has since left him. by the reality is, the supporters that were there, they were not that many compared to other years, the supporters who where there were

the most fervent. you have to imagine that republicans are looking at trump and these other candidates, saying, as long as there are multiple candidates against donald trump, he is more likely to win. but has to score a lot of folks. so it was a lackluster event, but for trump, it may have accomplished what he wants it to accomplish. >> you know, rachel, after he spoke, trump told reporters the following about ending the war in ukraine, take a quick listen. >> what will you do to end the war in 24 hours? >>. oh, i will not tell you that. if i told you that, i probably would not be able to do it. we are playing a giant chess game here, not like, i will tell you exactly what i will do -- it would be so easy to settle that, or i could do it in 24 hours. >> you know rachel, with the gop majority in the house, there are real concerns about support and aid to ukraine

being reduced, if not eliminated. i know this war hits close to home for you and your family, so how do outlandish promises like this from donald trump affect how the gop, in congress, right now is viewing the war in ukraine? >> i think there is a segment who listens to him, and they really buy into this propaganda about the war in ukraine. it is actually a normal segment of the gop that continues to be very supportive, the ukrainians, because they know they're supporting ukrainians, and this unjust war, actually helps u.s. security. so that is a lot of bang for our buck, we are not sending our soldiers, we are helping ukraine fight. many republicans are supportive. the problem, like everything, i don't feel like they say it enough, they need to stay in more publicly and more often. they are working behind the scenes. but every time they don't say

something publicly, it allows for moments like this, like what donald trump said yesterday, another people, whose names i will not say, who are constantly banging on about it. and that just continues to feed this, and feet russian propaganda. and it continues to give vladimir putin a little bit of life, that is the danger of it. >> basil, in a totally on brett moment, former far-right president of brazil jair bolsonaro gave a speech about how vaccines are evil, laura's already are evil, and everything he does not give into, is evil. exclusive interview with bolsonaro after he spoke, he had this to say about when his supporters stormed the brazilian capital after his reelection loss, take a listen. [speaking non-english] >> translator: all the rallies of a conservative members who were peaceful, so we believe that they were infiltrated leftist and that movement. >> are you willing to concede you lost the presidential

election? >> [speaking non-english] >> translator: the brazilian people, on the conservative side, they posted the results of the election. the other side it did not celebrate. >> i mean, basil, you could just close your eyes, and you could just plug and play donald trump saying all of that. basil, how concerned should americans be that far-right extremist global leaders like bolsonaro, viktor orban, that they are celebrated and cover the speakers at cpac conferences? >> it is very concerning. and you are right, he does sound a lot like donald trump. there is good on both sides, remember that line? sounds very familiar. i have many friends in brazil, travel there many times. i know the brazilian people are very concerned about bolsonaro's influence. he got elected with little to no money, using whatsapp, basically to spread his lies. social media. where have we heard that before? it is right out of donald trump's playbook.

they are learning from each other. i have said this before, millican exceptionalism can outpour all the good and bad this country can't offer. what we are doing right now is offering a platform to the far right, in multiple parts of this globe, they are concerned about the rise of antisemitism, concerned about the overall rise in hate crimes as a result of that. and it is concern -- extremely concerning. we should be concerned for ourselves, certainly for our neighbors in this part of the world. and certainly for south america, brazil. >> rachel, less than one minute. i did want to ask, last night, trump said during his speech he did not know or the words subpoena and the grand jury are, and quote, they want to put you away because your poll numbers are doing better than anyone they have seen in years. trump then went on to say he will still run, even if he is indicted. why did the party of law in order become the party of lawlessness and disorder?

>> excuse me, i think they have been taken over by this idea of a strong man, when you play that bolsonaro clip, it is like strongman mad libs. just fill in the blank, and everybody is using the same playbook. this goes back to every strong man throughout history. we know there is an attraction there. it is inexplicable to me, but many people fall for it. i want to leave with a fun story. we were out to dinner last night, and a venezuelan man, recognized my husband and bought us our table, some champagne. he said, we lost our country because there were not people like you, with courage. and that is the thing. we need to keep standing up. there are going to be people who support the strongman, but we cannot let them when. we have to stand up. we have to keep speaking the truth. and as uncomfortable as that is, in covering these stories and the craziness, we still need to

shine a light on it. >> and that is what we tried to do here at the katie phang show, with the assistance of people like you, and basil smikle. thank you to you, in the sunday morning power political panel, ritual vindman, basil smikle junior, i appreciate both of you. and up next on the katie phang show, we are barely three months into 2023, and state legislators across the united states have already introduced a record breaking 150 restrictive voting bills, specifically crafted to keep some americans from casting a ballot. after the break, we will dig into georgia republicans latest attempts to rollback voting access. just in time for 2024? we have a lot more to come, so keep it right here on msnbc. t here on msnbc. >> tech: when you have auto glass damage, trust safelite. my customer really relies on his car's advanced safety system.

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but his big lie has a holding state legislatures throughout the country. georgia republicans are sponsoring a bill that could create additional obstacles for voters when casting their ballots. the legislation would make it easier to disqualify votes through mass challenges and ban drop boxes. the georgia senate ethics committee approve the bill on wednesday. it came a day after nbc news revealed at least 92,000 voter registrations were challenged in that state just last year. you might remember, georgia was the epicenter of former president trump's fight to prove election fraud back in 2020, a claim which was never backed up or supported by any tangible evidence. but georgia is not alone. so far this year, state legislators across the united states have introduced 150 restrictive voting bills, a record breaking number. now joining me for more is helen butler, executive director of the georgia

coalition for the peoples agenda. helen, good morning, so nice to have you here. i am very interested in getting your insight on this particular issue. you know, that proposed bill in georgia's not only includes a ban on drop boxes statewide, but also it is a process to make it easier for votes to be challenged. the same bill allows them to opt out of the electronic ballot markers and favorite hand weren't paper ballot. in your opinion, what do you consider to be the most problematic aspect of this proposed bill? >> well, good morning, thank you so much for having me. i can tell you the most egregious part of this is the challenge process, where so many people can be challenged for no reason, using the national voter registration, the database from the postal service, from the insurance company. that is just not right. even the homeless people, having to have their address at the local boards to elect them,

which gives them, not the representatives that represent them, which is why they are supposed to have an address. but this is just another blatant attempt to attack voting rights, and put undue burdens, and unfunded mandates are local boards of elections. these challenges can be brought, broad, just based on a person saying, my name, or a change of address, even though it might be temporary. and there's not a possibility that the person who is being challenged can have a theory. they say it must be done expeditiously, but there is none yet, i guess we will have to wait to see what the state election board does with regards to rules to allow the person to be challenged, their rights. it also says if i bring all

these privileged challenges, i can't be sued, i can't have liability, accountability for it. that is the most egregious part of. and again, for the disability community, making sure people can use paper ballots instead of the ballot marking machines, where we spend billions of dollars to make sure the entire state has it, the disability community will not be able to vote independently, as now -- so those are some of the great concerns that we have about this. again, it is just another attack on voting rights. and here we are, the 58th celebration of bloody sunday, fighting for the same thing, for the right to vote, and the protections of the right to vote. >> yes, helen. glad you brought that up. let's speak very bluntly.

it is no coincidence this is happening in the state of georgia, certainly, not a coincidence that it is happening now. which communities will be impacted the most by this particular bill? >> well, katie, as you know, the people who will be most impacted are people of color. black people, asians, latinx community. people of color, marginalized people, the underserved, unhoused people will be impacted. the same will be impacted by this again, and it is not to improve the integrity of elections. it is to really stop certain people from being able to exercise their right to vote. and we cannot sit by and let that happen. we have to be out there, educating people, making sure that we work around those things. ask me last year, even talking

about not giving water to people standing in long lines, when those long lines are in black communities, people of color communities. so again, it does nothing to improve the integrity of elections, but it does stop certain factions from being able to exercise their right to vote without burden. >> you know, helen, we never want to see a rollback after decades of progress. yet, like you said, we have to be out there to fight the good fight. helen butler, thank you for being here, breaking down the latest in georgia. i appreciate you. >> thank you. >> and, coming up, you don't have to be a parent for the reports of migrant kids working at filthy slaughterhouses to leave you shocked and dismayed. after the break, i will talk to a pulitzer prize-winning investigative journalist, who has been reporting on the heartbreaking conditions these children are in. stay with us.

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labor in slaughterhouses in companies across the united states has sparked a widespread crackdown by the biden administration. federal authorities are trying to figure out how children from

central america, some as young as 12 and 13 years old, ended up working potentially dangerous jobs. investigators say children have been seen working in punishing conditions, such as cleaning blood and animal parts off of the floors, of meatpacking plants at night, and going to school by day, if they can even go to school. the labor department has reported a 69% increase in child labor violations since 2018. and lawmakers on capitol hill have heard enough. >> stories of kids, dropping out of school, collapsing from exhaustion, and even losing limbs to machinery. these are the things one might expect to find in a charles dickens or sinclair novel, but not an account of everyday life in america, in 2023. surely, not here in the land of the free, where child labor protections have been on the books for nearly a century. >> my next guest has reported a

migrant child labor exploitation for one year. and she joins me now. it is hannah drier, pulitzer prize-winning investigative reporter for the new york times. hannah, good morning. thank you for being here on this important story. you spoke with more than 100 migrant children working in violation of child labor laws across 20 states. what did you learn from your reporting? >> thanks so much for having me, katie. like you say, i have spent the last year going around two different states, talking to kids working the most punishing, illegal jobs, just as biden took office in 2021, more than 300,000 kids across the border, our reporting shows a majority of those are ending up working full-time. these kids are working from major brands like cheerios, fruit of the loom, ford and general motors. these jobs are completely in violation of child labor laws, but these kids have really

begun to make up a shadow workforce, with no government agencies looking out for them, making sure that they are okay. >> so hannah, what is the biden administration, and members of congress doing to stop this exploitation of children? >> so we put out a story last weekend, sort of detailing the scope of this labor exploitation, and to their credit, on monday morning, the biden administration launched a series of sweeping reforms, mostly in the department of labor. so the department of labor will now go allowed and try to find these kids, and focus on creating some accountability to companies. often what happens is children come into companies through a staffing agency, and then, they escape any accountability. biden's administration is now cracking down on that, but these kids are still out there, pretty much on their own. they are released to adults, and in most cases, nobody follows up. so as we are calling for them to at least get lawyers or

social workers, somebody who could try to make sure they are okay. >> and just the last two years alone, more than 250,000 migrant children have crossed the united states border alone. you just talked about that, only to be released sometimes -- two strangers, here in the united states. is the migrant child labor crisis, hannah, a new problem. frankly, has it been building up for years? >> this has been building up for the last decade. some children have always crossed the border by themselves. but they used to go to parents who took care of them, provided for them. over the last decade, we have seen a shift, where the majority now go to people, like you say, who are relatives, sometimes total strangers. those people are much less likely to look out for these kids. so they end up on the hook for rent, sometimes they have huge debts, with the people they live with. we are fighting in the jobs will hire kids, who cannot legally work, those are the

most dangerous jobs, often overnight shifts like you say, in slaughterhouses, at factories. places where kids should never end up. >> hannah, your story indicates that that secretary xavier becerra put and murmurs pressure on government agencies, as well as his own to move the unaccompanied minors out of detention facilities as quickly as possible. how can we reconcile not keeping kids in detention for too long, but keeping them safe from traffickers and exploitation? >> it is a really hard balance. this is a tension that has always existed. it is not good for kids to stay in detention, it is dramatic. and on the other hand, if you have a system really see kids with no follow-up, it is so important to get that decision right. so people, like you say at h h as have been telling me, they wake up in the morning, crying, wondering if the discharge numbers will look good enough for their bosses. because there is so much pressure to get these kids out,

quickly. >> hannah, where is your investigation going to take you next? >> i am really interested in this idea of accountability for the corporations that are benefiting from this labor. you mentioned slaughterhouses, i think about children outside of the slaughterhouse, from the biggest meat processor in the world, gb us. in rural minnesota. and it was obvious there were children working there, i stood outside of the factory, talking to kids as young as 15 years old who were working until six i am, cleaning things like head splitters. and the department of labor eventually came in. but there were no charges for gbs, only a fine for the contractor who had brought these kids in. some of the parents were charged. i think right now this focus on the way the child labor laws are enforced, and whether there is enough accountability for these large, large companies

that are really benefiting directly from this kind of child labor. >> well, we are looking forward to seeing where that accountability ends up. hannah, i have to tell you, this is surely investigative reporting at its best, such an important topic, an issue for everyone to know about. hannah drier, thank you for joining us today, i really appreciate it. >> thank you, thank you for having me, katie. >> and coming up, you probably never heard her name. but her story is one that you should know. i will talk to the son of viola lee hughes oh, the only white woman to be killed in the civil rights movement, as we approach the 58 anniversary of her death. do not go anywhere. not go anywhere (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network. so you can do more than connect your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going.

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that was viola liuzzo's reaction after witnessing the televised assault on civil rights protesters in some way, 58 years ago this week. the white activists, who was also a wife and mother to five children, was so disturbed by the images of bloody sunday, she left her home and family in detroit to join protesters in alabama. when she arrived in salma, she began transporting protesters and marchers from montgomery to selma and back, and helped african americans register to vote. but just one week after arriving, on march 25th, 1965, viola liuzzo was murdered at the age of 39 while driving illegal roy moten, a black civil rights demonstrator to montgomery. police say they were ambushed by four members of the kkk. viola liuzzo was shot to death. he survived. the clansmen were ultimately arrested, but acquitted by an

all white male jury. later, they were convicted in federal court and sentenced to only ten years in prison. many of you at home might not have heard viola liuzzo's name before today, but i wanted you to hear her story and remember her as someone who made the ultimate sacrifice, for a more just future for everyone. so now joining me this morning to talk more about her legacy, is her son, anthony liuzzo, also a civil rights activist. anthony, an honor to have you, especially on the eve of the bloodiest on the anniversary. you are just a child when your mother left detroit to go help in some of. what do you remember from the time when she passed away? >> well it was one of the most difficult times in my life, after we had learned about it. but mom was always helping people. she did whatever she could, if someone was in need, she would be there. that is the way she lived.

it was not surprising to us that she went down. she would call us every night, told us what was going on. she was excited to be down there, working in the medical tent, doing whatever she could to help demonstrators. she gave her car up to be used from the day she got down there. she actually started carrying the marchers after the march, and that, as you know, that had a terrible ending. we learned -- we learned that she would make quick decisions to help. she would bring people home from wayne state university, from the corridor where a lot of drug addicts, alcoholics at homeless, she would try to get them help, anyway that she could, she would clothe and feed them, bring them into our house, a lot of times they would steal things and be gone, but she said it doesn't matter, as long as she could help one

person. she did what she was meant to do. that's just the way that she lived. >> anthony, after your mother's death, your own family was affected because you received death threats. a cross was burned on your log as a child. shots were fired into your home. did any of that experience change in any way how you viewed your mother's willingness to go and fight for equal rights, for all people? >> no, it solidified our belief that what she did was right. she fought against hate everywhere. she used to say that hate hurts the hater, so she taught us not to hate. and that everybody was the same, no matter what the color, race, no matter. we were all the same, whichever judge someone by the color of their skin, but by the people they are. she really hammered that down at home to us. so seeing all of the hatred put upon our family, in those times,

i'm sorry to say, it looks like we are headed back to those times nowadays, but we have to stand strong, we have to fight. and her legacy, i know what she would be doing, she would be protesting, doing everything that she could to stop the changes towards fascism happening in this country. she was our amazing woman, she lived life the way that she died, that was in service of other people, that's all she wanted to do. we knew it. like i said, she called us every night. she called us the night she was murdered and said she was coming home tomorrow. we were all excited. my brother and i, we were only ten, my brother was 13, we started marching around the house singing we shall overcome. my father told us to stop because, he was clearly still worried, that it was dangerous, and he knew it.

and we got a call at midnight from the alabama highway patrol. they just said, are you related to viola liuzzo? my father said, yes that's my wife. they, said she has been shot. and she kept asking, how is she? is she all right? is she all right? they came back on the phone, said she is dead and then hung of. the press were outside, waiting. they have notified the press before they notified the family. so as soon as the lights came on, and they heard the commotion in the house, they were up at the door, knocking on the door, trying to find out, wanting to interview us. it was just a terrible time. it was like i was in a fog, a dream for weeks thereafter. my little sister coming home from school had people in the neighborhood, throwing rocks at, or sticks, these were adults calling her, your mother was a her, it was just horrible. they dumped garbage on her, on her lawn, they burned crosses,

as they said, shot through our window, tried to storm the house, break into the house. we live with armed guards, 24 hours a day for two years. you know, it took its toll on the family. >> well, anthony. i want to say to you, there is a reason why we wanted you today. because we wanted people tuning into this show to know who your mom was, because she really did make the ultimate sacrifice. her words, it is everybody's fight resonates not only with me but with millions, because that is exactly the case. it is everybody's fight. i want to say thank you to your family and you, for sharing the insight, letting us have a glimpse, more personally into who your mom, viola liuzzo was. thank you for joining us this morning, anthony. i appreciate it. >> thank you katie, thank you very much. >> and i want to thank all of you for joining us.

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