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good afternoon. i'm yasmin if you get. we have a lot going on in the hours ahead. it has happened again -- another major derailment in ohio involving the very same company behind that toxic crash just one month ago. this one captured on video literally falling off the tracks. we are live on the scene coming up. joe biden is set to arrive this hour in selma for the anniversary of bloody sunday. he's expected to take aim at a gop war against voting rights. new reaction to revelations involving house relic an's weaponization committee and the people they painted as, quote, star witnesses. donald trump makes a startling statement about what he will do with his campaign if he is

indicted. as the former president riles up the crowd at cpac, our good friends are there as well. >> what happened on january 6th? >> well, a false flag. >> in what way? >> it had been blamed on my friends. it's been blamed on the patriots. >> i'm going to talk to the good lawyers coming up about what they have found talking to the maga faithful. that's coming up and much, much more. we want to start with yet another freight train relman in ohio. it involves the same rail company, norfolk southern. this time, it happened near the town of springfield. it's just about three and a half hours from east palestine. a 20 non passenger cargo train car derailed around 5 pm last night. officials said this is on like last month's toxic disaster. we're expecting a press conference in our next hour. joining me from on the ground there from springfield in the western part of the state is nbc's jesse kershaw.

also joining us as university of delaware director of railroad engineering and safety allen is a rome ski. welcome to you both, guys. let me start off with you if we can. just down the road, a couple of hours away from his palestine, yet another stranger element. what more are we learning about this? >> yeah, yasmin. to put this into context, this is the fourth train rail meant by norfolk southern strains in ohio in less than five months. senator sherrod brown called it unacceptable to see this happening yet again. he is making another push for increased rail safety legislation. that is something he and his fellow ohio senator republicans in addition to democrat cheri brown are trying to get through. that is something that was motivated by the east palestine events and yet here we are again about a month later looking at another derailment. this one looks to be much less severe. a couple of things we've been told from officials -- we were told that there were no hazardous materials found at the scene here.

officials also made a point of saying that the real world, norfolk southern, as well as a county hazmat team from clark county and the ohio environmental protection agency, all three independently, quote, verify there was no evidence of spillage at the site. again, no hazardous materials found and no sign of a spill here. there also appears to be no injuries, no threat to health. however, there was, out of an abundance of caution, a request for people to shelter in place for about nine hours overnight, people who are within 1000 feet of the derailment sites. someone from the county said a few minutes ago that that would've been less than 1000 people. we were near the crash site earlier. we are near it right now. it appears to be a fairly industrial area. this doesn't look like it was a crash that occurred right at the beginning of a neighborhood, per se. that is good news to know that the potential threat for people appears to have been minimal. there is no indication of a threat to public health. we have also been told by officials that there doesn't appear to be any threat to the

water here. all of this happened on the hills of the toxic derailment in east palestine. there are concerns in that community about a month later over the air quality, over the water quality. people are skeptical of what they are hearing from the government and the railroad. here we are talking about another derailment from that same railroad. lots of questions here, he has been. >> yeah, lots of questions, to say the least. i know you have a lot of reporting. i'm going to let you go. thank you, jesse. allen, let's get into this. i think a lot of folks are wondering at this point along with myself, how to this happen again? >> this is a derailment. you have to understand that we run about 600 million to 700 million train miles. we can run a lot of trains in the united states. we'll get something of the order of about 500, 400 to 500

mainlined rail men's every year. the vast majority of them, the vast, vast majority of them don't evolve hazmat really. that's a small number. what we are seeing is very unusual, but they do happen. many of the accidents are like this one where no one gets killed, no one gets hurt, but there is no real hazmat release. yes, it is definitely a derailment incident which has to be dealt with. >> here is the thing, though. over the last couple of months, as jesse just said, our correspondent on the ground, for trainer elements in the state of ohio alone. maybe there is no health threat, immediate health threat from the most crater element, but nonetheless, folks had to shelter in place. i'm sure they were incredibly scared after watching what has

happened. if you're looking at the freight trains in general and how long and large they are, the one from february 3rd carrying 130,000 cars, this one, i believe, was around 200. that seems really big, allan. is there anything to point out there when it comes to these derailments? do companies like norfolk southern have to rethink how long there free cars are? >> if we look at le accident statistics you're over here, what we are seeing is over the last 20 years accidents are going down. railroads are improving. we do around heavy trains. that is the mode of operation. we have such an efficient and effective railway network considered by the world bank.

it takes knowledge and skills to run the trends. there is no data that suggests that we are seeing any increase in accidents associated with running more and more heavier trains in the last, certainly in the last four, five, seven, ten years. we have to be careful that we are looking at of the way we operate trains and figure out ways to continue to improve the safety. to contone of the things i wily that while we are safe and are statistics say we are quite safe we are not perfect. you have seen this. as a result, the railroad industry has to continue to try to improve safety. it's going to be incremental. there is no smoking gun out there that says the railroads are doing something particularly bad. there is safety legislation in

place already. there are safety standards in place by the federal railway to initiation. the railroad industry and the d.o.t. will revisit those rules. the probably look at the ntsb report coming out of ohio. they can see how we will continue to fine-tune and improve safety. that's a good thing. >> allan zarembski, thank you for that. as we said, a news conference coming up in the next hour. going to have that for you live as well. breaking just moments ago, everybody, the new york fire department is responding to a massive five alarm fire in the bronx. you can see massive plumes of thick smoke. wow! they are enveloping a commercial building in fordham heights. the fire started at 10:30 this morning. it's still burning. no word yet on what caused it or if there are injuries or fatalities. fda says operations are still ongoing. quite a scene there, though, to say the least. let's turn if we can to capitol

hill. a new report from democrats is casting serious doubt on the credibility of witnesses called by that new committee on the weaponization of the federal government which is chaired by ohio congressman jim jordan. we now know three witnesses billed as, quote, whistleblowers were asked to privately testify by republicans. we want to bring in julie tsirkin. we were learning more about this. there is reaction on the sunday shows. what hat will come out of these much anticipated whistleblower testimonies? what are we hearing now from jim jordan? >> hey, yasmin. we are on the same page or. the so-called whistleblowers that jim jordan said he gleaned a lot of information from, especially as it concerns those pro-life protesters, anti abortion protesters who allegedly, he says, were targeted by the fbi, these are the same three whistleblowers that democrats alleged in this 316-page report. they were, quote, conspiracy theorists. not only that, at least two of

them were allegedly paid by allies of former president trump. jim jordan, the chair not only of the panel but of the overall judiciary committee, he was on fox news today detail and what that panel exactly is focusing on and what they plan to do as part of their next hearing looking into the twitter files. watch. >> look, we're going to focus on the attacks on the first amendment and number of areas there, whether it's the disinformation governments board, what we saw from the fbi coordinating, colluding with the big tech tumble the narrative, we're going to look at all of that. recall still going to look at this different standard that we see from the fbi. they treat pro-lifers one-way and protesters a different way and other areas as well. >> you can see he's kind of all over the place here. it's basically an airing of grievances, of everything from these protesters we saw in the wake of roe v. wade to covid to everything that happened with former president trump and

investigations into him. even january 6th. democrats are calling this an airing of grievances. we saw that in the first hearing which took place a few weeks ago. just to note here, attorney general merrick garland actually responded to that claim that the fbi was not taking these threats seriously. he told senator ted cruz that they are taking it seriously. they are investigating these matters. nonetheless, this is what jordan is saying. democrats are pushing back on the. they will push ahead because they are in the majority and continue to hold these hearings over the next few weeks and months. >> julie tsirkin, lee thank you. speaking of republicans, former republican governor of maryland larry hogan was speculated to be considering a run for president of the united states. he announced today he will not, in, fact run for office. in a statement, the 66-year-old said he, quote, cares more about ensuring a future for the republican party than securing his own future in the party.

he has long been a vocal critic of former president trump, also saying that to once again be a successful governing party, we must move on from donald trump. all right, president biden, everyone, set to land within the hour. commemorations are getting underway. 50 years ago this tuesday, police brutally attacked hundreds of people who attempted to cross the edmund pettus bridge and exercise the right to vote. images from that day shot the nation and changed the course of the civil rights movement. nbc's antonia hylton is on the ground for us in selma. it's going to talk to you. this year, the community is marking this anniversary not only as attacks on voting rights spread but also as selma copes with devastation of a massive tornado hitting that community just last month. >> that's right, yasmin. people here, residents living

in the area, tell me they're really eager to hear the president talk about both of these issues. in fact, we expect him to get here around 3:30 eastern time and to talk to the crowd, to galvanize people around voting rights, to draw a connection between what we saw happen here 58 years ago and the way in which communities like selma are arguably still in this fight, still fighting for access to the ballot box. according to the brennan center, they're about 150 bills in more than half of the states in this country who would seek to restrict, for the restrict voting rights through various mechanisms. that is on the minds of people here. this is also a community which has been disinvested in that four years has needed federal support. six weeks ago, a tornado came through and it devastated peoples homes and businesses and community spaces. well that recovery has been underway, it has been slow and challenging. people have been telling me it's been an even. i just got the chance to walk through some of the

neighborhoods here. it looks as though in some parts a tornado just came through only days or moments ago. people here are going to be looking for their president to acknowledge that. take a listen to some of the conversations i've had. >> i would like to say to the president that cellmate needs help. so more needs help. this community, i've been coming for a few years. it's devastating to see the disk immunity is in the same condition it was probably 50 or so years ago. it is saddening. they need to make a right. >> they offer you for the people to come in and help you. they turn around and they make you qualify. it makes some people -- they can't even begin to rebuild. >> there are residents from this area but also people who have driven here from all over the country. e lawmakers plan to join biden s people gather already behind me here at the foot of the bridge, prepare for his remarks, and then plan to link arms or hold

hands and walk across the edmund pettus bridge together just as people did 50 years ago, it has been. >> antonia hylton, thank you so much. we're going to carry every moment of that. a reminder that the president's remarks are live from selma as soon as he gets started. we're hearing it's going to be around 3:30 eastern time as antonio just said. still ahead, the comedy duo the good liars to join me on their wild weekend at cpac. they also spoke with a man some qanon followers believe to be jfk junior. believe to b jfk junior>> cpac 2023, jfk junior,l us how you did it. >> how did you survive the plane grass? >> bless you guys, we need you. we need to carry. . >> plus, after his keynote speech other conference, what trump told nbc news about whether he would still run for president if he were indicted in georgia's election. we are back. georgia's election. we are back. we are back. let me tell you about the greatest roster ever assembled. the monster, the outlaw...

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a no matter what, even if he's indicted. according to new reporting from the washington post, it's his legal team who could be in some hot water. federal prosecutors were investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election. they've asked extensively about rudy giuliani's actions including where he got his information about alleged fraud. what he did in the days around january 6th and what he knows about the actions coming that day. this is going to people who have appeared before a grand jury. there's more -- investigators looking into classified documents have sought testimony from another trump lawyer, evan corcoran, by saying there is evidence to former president used the attorney legal services in furtherance of a crime and it doesn't stop there. prosecutors have repeatedly sought information on the actions of yet another trump lawyer, forrest epstein, in connection with both classified documents and false electors schemes. we want to bring in msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner.

allegedly, it seems the direction which they are going, the former president employing 's attorneys to a certain extent to do his dirty work, other names that have been floated by the post as well. they have -- how unusual is it to have attorneys turning into witnesses? >> it's highly unusual but it is not unprecedented. there are times when prosecutors will investigate the mafia, mob organizations, and they will get to a point in the investigation but it looks like the attorneys representing the mobsters, the targets of the investigation are complicit into the crimes of the criminal organization and prosecutors do go after mob lawyers. i've seen cases. we've had cases in d.c. where we have been investigating large-scale drug organizations and it turns out the lawyers

were accepting what they knew to be dirty drug money as payment. there are times when we have to go out and get those lawyers. it's highly unusual because we don't like to interfere with the sanctity of the attorney client relationship unless donald trump is using his lawyers in furtherance of his own criminal scheme. that is one of the issues being litigated right now with respect to whether his attorney evan corcoran can invoke an attorney client privilege or whether that privilege should be pierced, whether it falls because he may have been complicit in the crimes of donald trump. >> you got in the walls closing in on many different avenues. you know special counsel jack smith when it comes to january 6th. we have to talk about the overhanging subpoena former vice president mike pence, how that's all going to go down. we know the argument that

former vice president is making, saying that he is anna was on that day a legislator not acting as vice president of the united states. the argument being made by the former president along with his attorneys is this. trump's attorneys are exerting executive privilege in a sealed motion, attacking the former president has attempted to used to block key witnesses from providing testimony to a house committee which investigated the capitol and the federal investigation led by justice department special counsel jack smith. i'm wondering how much it hurts the case for the former vice president when you got two different arguments. why should you don't offer a pure testament to the special counsel, right? how much does this indicate the former president and his team are worried about that investigation? >> yeah, i think everybody is worried on team trump. i don't fully understand why mike pence is unwilling to

stand up for the people of the united states of america and talk about, for example, the pressure campaign that donald trump waged against him to get him to commit federal crimes, violate the electoral count act on january 6th, and obstruct congress's official proceedings certifying joe biden's win. mike pence seems comfortable talking about publicly when he is trying to profit off of his book. you ask a great question, yasmin. when you have multiple privileges that you are throwing up against the wall, one tends to play against the other. i don't think either of those privileges will succeed. i think mike pence will testify at the end of the day. there are several reasons why the executive privilege fails. i also think the speech or debate clause privilege fails because no matter how you cut it, mike pence is not a legislator and he was not engaged in robust debate about

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live pictures in montgomery, alabama. you can see the president there being greeted by folks in montgomery, alabama. air force one just arrived. he's going to take marine one for about a 20 minute chopper ride over to selma, alabama. he's going to deliver remarks around 3:30 pm eastern time. he will take the momentous walk over the bridge at around 5 pm eastern time, the edmund pettus bridge. just so you know who he speaking with, he speaking with major general william holt the second along with christopher bradford. his press secretary will be alongside the president and his travels to selma along with secretary marcia fudge from the department of housing and urban development. there will be some others as well. we are going to keep our cameras are trained on at this moment of course as the president is making his way over to marine one wanting to stay on schedule.

there are certainly a lot of people lined up at the edmund tennis bridge waiting for the arrival of president biden to make that speech around 3:30 pm eastern and in that walk at 5 pm. we are going to be tracking it all for you and bring it to life. all right, let's switch gears if we can for a moment, millions of americans this week will be forced to get by without increased s.n.a.p. benefits. that helps americans put food on the table. it came in the reaction to the covid pandemic. it expired at the end of february. i want to get right to -- live in prince george's county, maryland. good to talk to you. what are folks telling you as they will now have to shop for groceries without the expanded benefits? they were so beneficial for so many families. >> look, regardless of your financial situation, everyone has noticed the difference in prices at the grocery store, right?

just walking around here, having a chance to speak to people on the ground, there is a noticeable difference for people who do rely on these food assistance programs. you can imagine they were a little shy to talk about that on camera. i spoke to one family, a mother and father with their child. they say this is the first time they're going grocery shopping with this change. they are noticing the difference. they are shopping differently as a result. they're looking a little bit more closely at the price tags. they're choosing to not have certain things in their grocery cart that they would have had even one week ago. this is something that is impacting so many americans. we talked about roughly 30 states across the country. they are going to be seeing at least $95 less per month. it really depends on the state. it depends on the size of the family. depending on those factors, it could be more. it could be in the hundreds of dollars less. maryland is one of those states which is -- it's to say that we're in right now. the urban institute says that this expanded program has kept

4.2 million people from falling below the poverty line. they said this actually helped lower poverty across the country by 10%. the u.s. department of agriculture which oversees snap has said that this is meant to be a temporary assistance program. it's something you remember. congress passed this law to help out families who were impacted most by the pandemic. look, food security advocacy groups are pointing out that this is happening at a time when inflation is so high, higher than it was before the pandemic. even higher than this time last year by anywhere between 6% as a reset. food banks, food pantries in these impacted states including maryland, including pennsylvania say they are bracing to see more families. we had a chance to speak with the executive director for philadelphia's sheriff food program who had strong words to share. take a listen. >> when washington makes a decision that is a huge multi

billion dollar decision that a lot of people to realize how much that impacts the wallet to folks at home. organizations like ours have to pick up a lot of the select. over the course of the last year, we've seen about a 70% increase in -- we are going to have with these additional snap cuts probably another potentially up to 20% more in need. >> a couple quick things to leave you with -- some states are trying to pass legislation to keep the minimum at a level so families who are impacted cannot feel the impact of this new change that went into effect this past week. the cost of the overall federal program in 2021 alone was 114 billion dollars. i want to point out that 12% of the country uses food assistance programs in some capacity. the majority of those families are families with children. back to you. >> we thank you. all right, one year ago, one of

the most memorable moments in a live television happened during the oscars. yes, it was the slap heard around the world. will smith jumped on stage and attacked chris rock for making a joke about his wife jada. in the weeks following the oscars, all eyes turn to the legendary stand of coming to see how he would work the incident into his routine. rock was notably silent about all of it. that was until last night when he aired his first special in five years. take a listen. >> y'all know what happened to me, getting smacked by will smith. people are like, did it her? it still hurts! i got summertime ringing in my ears. how come you didn't do anything back that i? i got parents! i was raised. >> [applause] >> i got parents!

you know what my parents taught me? don't fight in front of white people. >> all right, there you have it. by the way, the ceo of the oscars announced that a crisis team has been hired for this year's ceremony to keep things under control this year. no repeat of last year's incidents. all right, up next, hearing from the maga faithful. the good lawyers join me with our takeaways from the weekend long trump fast. we will be right back. long trump fast. we will be right back. we will be right back.

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>> no, i think he literally said very clearly, be peaceful. >> the people were storming the capitol. >> that did not happen. that's when the footage of the government -- >> he held the rally on january 6th. he continued to say the election was stolen. >> it was. >> his own attorney general said it was a free and fair election. there was no widespread -- >> maybe his attorney general -- >> his own -- >> he told everyone to walk down to the capitol. that to me is how he is responsible for it. >> you're picking and choosing. >> jason, your picking and choosing. come on, come on. the good lawyers are joining us now. welcome to you both. i didn't either one of you just want to say, maybe you said and we didn't use it,, to that one woman at first, we were there. they stormed. we saw it in person with our own eyes. even when you say that, they don't necessarily believe you

even with the facts. >> we actually did follow up with that. we were actually there. we saw this all happen. i guess we were picking too many facts and choosing too many things to say. it has been two years since january 6th. they are really just digging in and blaming everyone about donald trump. they blamed nancy pelosi. the capital police, anyone who doesn't have the name donald trump, the guy who told everyone to be there because he couldn't deal with the fact that he was a loser and lost the 2020 election by 7 million votes, i don't think any of the people who have dug in are going to change their mind about january 6th anytime soon. >> yeah, the reporting that we are hearing is a mega maga crowd. we did hear even during the

former president's speech history evening that there were a couple of empty rose. did you kind of notice or feel any waning support for donald trump at all? >> yeah, that's the short answer. we talked to a lot of people. i would say the majority of people we spoke to, there were certainly a mega maga contingent there, but a lot of people said they had hoped trump would step aside and that desantis would be the nominee. we were kind of surprised to be hearing that at a cpac. desantis said he would not be showing up. between that and just kind of the lack of enthusiasm in and around the building, the first thing we were marked on one when we walked in with how empty it was. >> well. talk to me, jason, about this couple you spoke to who had somewhat of a polarizing

reaction to marjorie taylor greene's idea of national wars. let me play for you now and we will talk. >> i don't think we need a national divorce. >> i love america. let's all get together. >> do you think, as someone at cpac, marjorie taylor greene, she's pretty far right. she said some pretty out there things. how do you feel about her representing the republican party? >> i am fine with a representing their republican party. >> let's all get together, jason. >> well, the funny part about the national divorce to me is that she wants a national divorce but she is in georgia that went blue in 2020. the senate went blue in 2022. i don't know in marjorie's plan where she would fit in in this -- what you represented different state? would she stay in georgia and become a democrat? i think her theories about jfk

junior 9/11 and qanon, i don't think she's actually thought this one through. the silver lining here is that there are moderate publicans who are there at cpac. we were able to find some common ground. we both think marjorie taylor greene's ideas are pretty stupid. i always like when we can walk away from an event and feel like we have got some common ground with the other side, even if it's just something basic like united states should be united. that was a heartwarming moment. and of course it was a celebrity run, go ahead. >> i'm sorry. she did say it was a big tent, the party's a big tent. and we saw a guy with a kanye for president short run seem to think was great. they are really welcoming everybody. >> then there was the celebrity run in, with, who knew?

jfk junior, right? or who qanon believes to be jfk junior. let's see them. >> are you him? because a lot of people believe your gia jfk junior. yes or no? yes or no? >> i really appreciate it. is he really dying in a plane crash? >> the resemblance is completely uncanny. but there's a real momentum behind this guy, and a real momentum behind him. >> thankfully we had a couple people who were trump supporters who said, wait a minute, wasn't shifty junior six foot one? in the sky looks nothing like him. so there was a moment where people seem to have an understanding of the situation. we did catch the moment before he ruffled his hair. and eventually, i have to say, it was off camera, but we got.

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yes, it is. we're walking in their footsteps. welcome back, everybody. we are continuing to wait for president biden's arrival for bloody sunday. the president landing in montgomery, alabama, just a short time ago. taking a short helicopter ride on marine one. he's expected to deliver remarks and next hour, focusing on the fight to protect voting rights. we want to bring in now msnbc political analyst and chair of african american states princeton university. as always, it's a great talk to, especially on days like today. it's good to see you, my friend. let's talk about not just of the anniversary, but also with this community needs to hear. not just because of the persistent attack on voting rights. so many folks are telling

people on the ground this is a community that has been forgotten, not only in the last 50 years, but in the last month. since a tornado ravaged that community. what does he need to say to them today? >> i think he needs to bring the reality of the civil rights movement, and bloody sunday in particular. salma is one of the poorest cities in alabama, over 84% black. we need to talk about the material conditions under which black and poor people are living in selma, and throughout the south and throughout the country. i think he needs to fool this forward in relation to the all out attack on voting rights right now. he needs to reference history, but history has to be in the

service of a substantive intervention in our current moment, to address the contradictions that still stifle our democracy today. >> eddie, how does he make promises? specifically for talking with the john lewis voting rights events meant act. how does he make promises he knows he cannot see-through in this current government? under republican control in the house. he wasn't able to do it in the last term, he won't likely be able to do it now. how do you promise a black community things like that when you haven't been able to do it before? especially when they were the very ones that went to the white house in the first place. i don't think you make a promise you can't keep, that's called lying. i don't think you lie, i think we need to have a full-throated account of his position on the filibuster. we need to understand what his position is, vis-à-vis the

voting rights act, the john lewis bill, the george floyd justice and policing act. part of what we've seen is that democrats will get feisty when they don't have control. when they do have control, they are deliberating. you can see the difference. and what we need to see is fighting for these issues, aggressively fighting for voting rights, aggressively fighting for police reform. and i think that is more substantive than just simply an empty promise. don't tell us what you're going to do, show us what you are doing. and i think that's what he needs to engage in. >> when we think about the instances of police brutality, even within the last year, the promises and commitments it even made when it comes to george floyd policing, how encouraged are you by change? and do you feel as if president biden still has the black vote in this country, the black american vote in this country? >> i can't talk about black

voters at that level in generality. but i think it's important for us to understand that for a complex community, folks are disappointed. there is always a lag between the expensive rhetoric of the president and the policy position. so there are positions to be taken, and then there's the actions. the actions we've seen recently with regards to -- he has said that he will veto the crime bill, the criminal reform bill in dc. but we also need to understand, i will say this quickly if i can. how we remember selma and relation to this moment. remember, selma is framed by death. reverend reed, selma, three marches. not just on sunday, but turnarounds. the turnaround march, and the final march. salma, framed by malcolm x speaking on february 4th. as well as the deep conflicts and contradictions. we tend to read selma only in terms of the heroic actions of

those on bloody sunday, and of course the passage of the voting rights in 1865. but selma represented all of the contradictions of the movement at that moment. this is the march of 1965. by june 1966, those same young people be shutting black power. we will see organizing in alabama. by october of 1966, we will see the organization of the black panther party. so we need to be clear about the history, so that we can be clear about our contemporary challenges. so it's not enough just simply to speak nostalgically about the power of this moment. it's about understanding our journey to now, in all of its complexities and nuances. >> eddie glaad, it's always the perfect person to speak to on a day like today. it's great to speak with, you my friend. thank you. at the top of the hour, we are awaiting a news conference on the second trained arraignment in ohio. this one operated by the same company from the east palestine disaster, just weeks ago. we are going to bring you that

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it is the top of the hour, and we are looking at live pictures of selma, alabama. the president arrived 20 minutes or so ago in montgomery, alabama, on air force one. he is now in selma, he is set