- i think the truth of what happened in the 2020 election. - let's have trial by combat. - just understand this. all hell is going to break loose. - that's how you grow in america. - you may not feel like america's perfect, but i promise you, you won't like what comes after. - you guys are not tough enough. or maybe i'll put it another way. you're a bunch of pussies. tonight on th show. i'm already for democrats to improve your messaging to voters. unless you want a stinging defeat in 2024. congressman, eric swalwell, who

communicates a lot better than most democrats joins me live. plus, new reporting on the behind the scenes tales of the night after the 2020 election. their fealty to trump on full display. should we be doing more to rein in israel's far-right government. our thing with democratic governor pick watch and just to president biden on this issue. good evening this weekend. some of the most conservative republicans more process the country gathered in maryland for the annual conservative political action conference. once a staple of the season, this year cpac conference was a ghost of conferences path. for many republicans simply refusing to attend. those that the job didn't get the rousing reception they may have hoped for. 2024 hopeful nikki haley delivered her speech to a half empty hall. former secretary of state mike

pompeo delivered more presidential cpac attendees. even donald j trump who drew the largest audience over the weekend can fill the room. look at the crowd sizes. despite a lackluster show the ex presidents demanded to deliver his usual demagoguery. >> in 2016 i declared i declared i am your voice. today i add, i am your warrior, i am your justice and for those who have been wronged and betrayed. i am your retribution. . they >> now, let's be clear about something. what trump said it's undeniably, unquestionably, but cystic rhetoric. the idea that you vote for me and i will be retribution. that is straight out of the authoritarian playbook. all the way back into the 1920s, 1930s. however, just because that

rhetoric is vicious stick, and scary, and slightly unhinged. doesn't mean it's not effective. sadly, trump will always know how to browse and rile up his base on a gut level. i know this might stun you but the former president, for all his craziness ignorant bloviating actually gets what aristotle was saying more than 2000 years ago in his landmark word, rhetoric. as i point out my new book, when every argument the art of public speaking. it was our sort of made the case for pathos. for making a motion appeals to people and doing it by rhetoric, by language. your language will be appropriate if it expresses a motion and character. to express emotion you were employing the language of anger and outrage. and reluctance to speak about impiety. the language of exultation for a tale of glory about cumulation for a tale of pity and so in all other cases. how many democrats get the

importance of emotion and character? use the language of anger with expressing outrage. how many of the left focus on making emotional appeals to the electric and not just logical or rational opinions. rousing their votes in the same way to the gop races there's. i have said this before. i'll say it again tonight. politics is a knife fight. republicans bring an emotional rocket launcher to that night fights. while democrats bring a single point policy paper. this isn't a new trend either. this is just start in the age of trump. as i pointed my book, go back to 1988. the presidential debate between presidential mccarthy's george bush senior which opened with this exchange. >> governor, if kitty dukakis were raped and murdered. would you favor and irrevocable death penalty for the killer? >> no i don't bernard and i think you know i oppose the

death penalty during all of my life. i will see any evidence that it is a deterrent and i think there are better and more effective ways to deal with violent crime. we have done so in my own state. it's one of the reasons why we have had the biggest drop in crime of industrial sites in america. what we have the lowest rate of any additional state of america. >> the governor one calling that front of the two minutes. for the voters watching at home did not want to hear about why the death penalty wasn't a deterrent. why crime rate was falling in massachusetts. they want to see how a candidate for president felt about his wife being brutally assaulted and killed. they wanted to see emotion, passion, anger. it is no consistent in my view that the over rational policy obsessed to caucus. lost that election. with a similar democratic candlestick al gore, john kerry, harry clinton also lost a races. son of have good ideas, or good policies.

to win, it also matters how you message them, how you convey them, how you connect with your voters. joe biden will not the greatest orators does have a big advantage over other democrats when it comes to messaging. he seen is authentic, plain speaking, blunt even. back in august of last year, by the news that mountainous and authenticity to throw caution to the wind and verbally unload on the market republican party. he called the gop for what it is, denouncing trump's political ideology as fascism. a few days later, at philadelphia, to continue to sound the alarm on the dangers of the republican party. >> too much of what is happening in our country today is not normal. donald trump in the maga republicans represent and extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republican -- >> as expected republicans hit

back chastising his use of the f-word. even some democrats never miss can opportunity to take the moral high ground. trying to paint biden's language is unnecessary and advise the senate majority whip called the remarks, quote, awkward. >> biden's aggressive emotion laden language that worked. just four months later democrats how the senate be passed for crafted red wave in the house. i'm not asking democrats to engage in the disgraceful demagoguery invoked by trump this weekend. ahead of 20 2024. one of the most consequence elections of our lifetime. i am asking democrats to not only appeal to people's heads but to their hearts as well. voters don't just want to hear your policy they want to feel passion. they will want talking points, they want home truth. think about look at what trump gets that a lot of democrats don't get. voters want someone who's going to fight for them.

now one democrat who seems to understand the power of picking and appeal is democratic congressman, eric swalwell. he released this ad hitting republicans on the dangers of the draconian abortion ban. >> gary anderson? i have it awards for your arrest. >> and arrest for? what >> pimaco two 453, unlawful termination of a pregnancy. >> that is my personal business. >> it is for the courts to decide. your medical records have been subpoenaed and the doctors already in custody. >> following the release of that at, small ball was slapped by someone on social media. conservative critics said it was a gross mischaracterization of their policy. no one wanted to loch lomond park for an abortion. however this we saw exactly that cloud in south carolina. was there to be a woman was arrested and charged with performing or soliciting an abortion after allegedly taken abortion pill to enter

pregnancy back in 2021. while abortion is legal in south carolina up until 20 weeks, it is one of only three states that explicitly criminalizes self manage abortion. and republicans in the state house they want to take things even further. dozens of state law makers are now trying to make abortion a death penalty event. yes, a death penalty event. it's that ad you just saw, doesn't seem so far off now does it. congressman eric small will of california. congressman thanks for come back on the show. let's talk about messaging. do you believe your party, the democratic party, has a messaging problem? are your ads, your viral ads and attempt to fill a messaging, a combative vacuum within the party. >> we are getting a lot better. hakeem jeffries used to say the problem democrats is that we govern and fine print and republicans govern in headlines. now, he's the head of our party

in congress. and i think we're gonna go in a better direction. mehdi, i think the long-standing problem is that we need to start taking credit and discrediting. taking credit for what we do, the jobs, the infrastructure, that is something that republicans and democratic presidents have talked about for decades. we pass it, we don't really make a lot of wallpaper of it. what did the republicans do? they show up at the ribbon cuttings and they take credit themselves. then, on the discredit side. keep these guys on their heels. play on their side of the field. make sure we continue to define them as a lot that prefers violence over voting. fascism over facts. and will not, you, know really stand up for any principle rather than just owning the lives. that is why i think if we stay on offense with them. on the discrediting side. their lack of policies will continue to be so obvious to the voters that will make more and more gains. >> playing on their side of the

field is so true and so vital, yet so many democrats don't do it. congressman, i want to get your reaction to what we heard from donald trump on cpap. promising voters will be there, quote, retribution. that is fascism isn't? not just use the word fascism. why are so many people in the party so afraid of using the f-word, and criticize your president for saying semi fascism. >> it is fascism by the way, mehdi. and speaking playing on their side of the field. one state it says we've given up on is florida. you have a fascist curious governor there and we write candidates down there. we had a met today whose father served in the air force in world war ii. she left columbia during its times of corruption to come to the united states. and the republicans painted her as a socialist. every single ad called her a socialist. and this is a state where the

governor has taken away tax benefits from a private company. and its feelings were hurt. there sounded's policies. where i come from that's what socialist leaders would do. the governor wants to have a six-week abortion brand. to tell women what they want to do their body. what i come from that's what dictator would do. so, again, i think a state like florida is so ripe for us to exploit. and came back at them the socialist trope that they are projecting on us. >> we could have a separate discussion about whether it helps to always be on the defensive and the social state. harry truman once mocked republican for calling anything to help people socialism. let me just talk about florida, and the context of the motion, because rhonda sanchez has also passed anti abortion laws. you were slammed for that abortion had at the time you ran. ever since the dobbs decision attacks on abortions came home

nationwide. now you have this woman in south carolina arrested, reportedly, for self managed abortions all the way back in 2021. pretty dobbs. republicans in that same state now want to make abortion a crime punishable by the death penalty. what do you say to critics who accuse you of dramatizing this issue quite verbally. >> you are overreacting, they. said they are never going to do that, they said. i heard all of that from republicans and, of course, the natural logical arc of where these bands would go would be that many in their party. an extreme party. would want to criminalize not just the hacked, but those that would help. doctors, other providers, the woman who gets that decision. so that is why we shouldn't back off. i hope you see across the country more and more referendum stop this on the ballot. because that surge turnout in michigan, that surge turnout in kansas when we had to defeat it

-- we shouldn't assume that just because, you, know we beat expectations in the midterms, that this issue is going away. >> last question, congressman, before i let you go. i wanna ask you about this new bombshell report on the house gop's weaponization subcommittee. democrats on the judiciary community, which you will remember now exposed jim jordan 's trio of so-called whistleblowers as a group of -- ex fbi employees, all with a clear conservative biases, one of those witnesses, stephen friend, an ex fbi special agent who has since resigned, testified he was asked to surveil in person attending a school board meeting. your partt revealed that, quote, -- the man being tracked was a three percenter who was under counter-terrorism investigation, and he was later arrested on charges related to the 16 attack. is this your party strategy now? to prebut the monsoons that republicans are putting out? >> yes.

on the judiciary and weaponization committee, the best thing we can do is just take a 3d approach. you know, to discredit them before the hearing even starts. again, these are the guys that say, you know, elon, trump, kanye, right? that's where they start. it's to hold up an antisemite like kanye, and they didn't take the tweet down for two months. so don't give them any credibility ever before the hearing starts. the second as to be to debunk. we don't have to chase every ball they throw, but if they are able to, you know, land substantive attacks, we need to debunk them. the third is deliver. pivot to what we already delivered in the majority, and what we would do if we had the gavels. so, you discredit, debunk, and deliver.

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something that's wrong in the world. maybe, like, i ran for something for 60 seconds that you find something positive in american politics? or whatever is bothering you read at this moment. >> i'll play the role of timer. so -- >> all right. i'm gonna say, here we go. >> ready, set, got. >> i am 43 years old, and i love living in this country because i love all the people who are my kids age right now. my kids are 15 and ten. i love young people in america. young people are saving democracy in america, my evidence of that, look at the 2018 midterms, the 2020 election, the 2022 midterms, and study what's been done. if you go to -- john gullible be at harvard, i'll tell you that young people are -- the crucial difference, young people turned out in major numbers. if you take young voters out of the election, democrats don't get the house in 2018, don't win the house in 2020, don't save the senate in 2022, and

the, for young people are actually inspiring us -- always on tiktok, i was doing nonsense, actually, young people out there are fighting for abortion rights, civil rights, fighting for minority rights, fighting for transgender rights, fighting for people who can speak for themselves. so i say, young people -- i don't care what the older generation is doing. building walls and voting for donald trump -- it's the young people who are gonna save this country and save democracy. >> wow! to the second. to the second. >> wow. can't believe actually pulled that off. coming up after the break, before advil. advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. when pain comes for you, come back fast with advil liqui-gels. i have moderate to severe crohn's disease. when pain comes for you, now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are looking up ♪ ♪ i've got symptom relief ♪ ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪

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forgiveness plan? and how do they want political leaders to tackle other important issues ahead of the 2024 election? joining me now -- president at next-gen america, and victory, co-host of -- thanks for coming back on the show. christina, there's new reporting by nbc that show student debt relief was a completely -- key issue in seven out of the eight swing states in 2020. we know this is a top issue for strip swing state voters, but talk to us about a crucial doses for young voters as well. >> this was a top issue we've seen over the last several cycles of young people coming out and voting. what we thought the supreme court was once again republicans versus young people. this is a rogue supreme court that has taken the wrong stance on abortion, likely to take the wrong stance on student debt, and young people are seeing --

turning out in record numbers because they see the consequences of one republicans are in charge. they're willing to stay in the way of progress that would impact 14 million americans across the country. in peoples lives that would be transformed. this is transformative policy. it's not just about policy, it's about people. people like -- 23 years old, edinburg, texas, her mom works and cosmetology, her dad's a mechanic. first in her country to go to college. this would've transformed her life's student that is canceled and moved forward. young people will remember this next election. who stood in the way of progress on the issue of student debt? >> victor, your thoughts on this issue? how can young voters mobilize around this issue amid all the conservative backlash? >> first of all, i agree with everything christina said about

this issue. student loan forgiveness is one of the top issues young people care about. same with abortion rights. like we saw in 2022, abortion rights is really one of those issues that galvanizes young voters. it was after the supreme court overturned the right to an abortion that young voters turned out, registered to vote, and turned up in historic numbers in 2022. i suspect if this happens on this issue, student loan forgiveness, we'll see the same thing happened again in 2024, where young people are gonna realize that this is what happens when republicans are in control. we see what's happening with republicans in various states, and also on the supreme court level, act to flee rolling back our light -- rights and what we care about. for young people specifically, how do we galvanize each other? how do we mobilize invaders? i think a lot of it's gonna come down to, first of all, the democratic party making clear what this republican party is doing and our lives. it's waging a war on young people. it's trying to overturn our rights. second of all, giving young people of reason to vote for them. i think there's a number of things that the biden administration has done really well. i think it's up to president biden, for the democratic party, to offer young people why we

should vote for them. and lastly, i think it takes a lot of young people talking to each other on social media. doing the work of relational organizing and having these peer to peer conversations. that's something we saw happen really well in 2022. i think it's gonna be key in 2024. >> yes. and christina, as young voters get galvanized, as a wave of bills across the country targeting them -- a bill in texas would ban pulling on college campuses, those -- banned the use of student i. d. s for voting. how are voters pushing back against these attacks? and they are deliberately targeted, are they not? >> is what is being pushed by extremist republicans. you know, on election night, 2022, you had, you know, hosts on fox news getting on tv and saying, we need to raise the voting age because young people aren't voting the right way. because they think, instead of democracy has always been a radical proposition -- you have to run on the merit of your ideas and speak to

people's pain and their power to make change. and instead of speaking to the pain, the needs of an entire generation, republicans are trying to restrict voting access of young people, because they're overwhelmingly rejecting them, almost wholesale. you know, young people turnout at 28 points higher for democrats this past election. this isn't just the largest and most progressive generational voting bloc in american history. this is the most civically engaged youth vote ever. republicans realize that they can't win if young people are voting. but instead of changing the policies tonight reach, they're trying to restrict young people. >> and victor, one last question to you. the reason i did that rant on this issue in that book store wednesday night was because i feel that young voters, young people are taken for granted. would you agree with that? the democratic party, the media, just take some voters for granted -- much more focused on all the voters? >> i'm grateful you did that rant. every single word you said was right. for a long time, i think young voters historically have been

cast aside from the media, the democrat party, frankly both political parties. in 2018, we trickling didn't turn our own hands and turned out to vote. that's how democrats win, even during a trump presidency. in 2020, we turned out to vote in historic numbers. in 2022, we saw us prevent a red wave, and really kind of prevent this political tradition of the president political party overwhelmingly but defeated in the midterms. a lot of the time, what we're seeing from the media, and also from elected officials, is this kind of ignoring of young voters. but i think now, when young voters have proven not once, not twice, but three times that we are engaged, that we are going to vote, that we have to be paying attention to -- the media does a much better job at this, democrats are doing a better job of this. i think president biden, to his credit, has really understood the importance of young voters and helping elect democrats. i think we're starting to see a change. but that's because young writers have been really mobilizing and also engaged in this process. >> the irony of the oldest president -- president ever seeing the value of young voters. thank you both for your time. appreciate it. up next, an important conversation with senator peever welch of vermont who -- handed a letter to president

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not some pundit. yes, the israeli general in charge of troops in the occupied west bank use the word program to describe violent -- tore through the west bank town this week. dozens of palestinians were wounded, scores of houses and cards set ablaze, and at least one person was killed in the chaos. the frenzied hord, it's being reported, took to the streets after the killing of two israeli brothers, halal and yale, who were reportedly shot by palestinian gunmen last week. normally, this would be precisely the type of situation where politicians would step in. they would use calm words to quell tensions and stop the cycle of violence. but that's not what happened. no. first, last sunday, israeli finance minister -- liked a tweet online calling for huwara to be, quote, wiped off the map. , then at a press conference on wednesday, doubled down, openly declaring, quote, i think the village needs to be wiped out. i think the state of israel should do it. it's worth noting that shortly thereafter, he walked back those remarks, putting them, quote, an emotional slip of the tongue. and in fairness, who among us

hasn't accidentally threatened genocide in the past? but i digress. netanyahu took no formal action, but he did call the remarks inappropriate. president biden's state department spokesperson done condemned them as disgusting on wednesday, and now the administration is now debating whether or not to deny smotrich a visa ahead of his planned visit to d. c. this week. some say this move would represent an unprecedented escalation in the already tense american israeli partnership, but is it really that harsh? is it unreasonable for the united states to expect the ministers of allied governments to not muse about programs and ethnic cleansing? but look, but this whole episode really shows is that for all the talk of shared values between our two countries, it doesn't seem like we have that much in common these days.

say what you will about marjorie taylor greene, and i've said a lot, even she's never called for a democratic run city to be what wiped off the map. and nobody, not even the trump administration, was never convicted in a court of law here for, quote, racist incitement and backing a terrorist organization like smotrich's fellow far-right cabinet member -- ben-gvir was. our radicals and their radicals are in a different league. what's holding our partnership together? and why, why, do we continue to fund benjamin netanyahu and smotrich in israel to the tune of three plus billion dollars a year with no strings attached? it's a question the senior senator from vermont is no longer asking quietly. >> if it government is acting in a racist way and they want billions of dollars for taxpayers in the united states, you say, sorry, it's unacceptable. you want your money, fine, this is what you have to do. >> he's right. i mean, is it too much to ask

that we, the u.s. taxpayers, don't fund programs abroad? joining me now is the junior senator from vermont, democrat peter welch, when thursday hand delivered a letter to president biden warning of israeli efforts to illegally annexed the west bank and calling for the two state solution to be reinvigorated. senator waltz, thanks for coming on the show. i want to start with that letter you gave to the president following your own trip to israel in the occupied territories. in it, you say, quote, as far as the netanyahu government is concerned, the two state solution is that. so senator, what can be done about that? what can president biden do? what can congress do? >> i can hear the senator. technical issue, is he muted? should we try that again? >> once i. now, i'm back. >> that's all right. we're about to hear the

solution to peace in the middle east and you are muted. let's try again. what can you do, what can congress do? >> number one, that's gotta be a frank acknowledgment that the two state solution has become a fiction. we give lip service to it, we don't do anything to enforce it. yes. and secondly, what we have is, the president has got to take that seriously. and start advocating for it. what you see in israel right now, what we see in israel right now, is an extreme right wing government. in the clips you showed our chillingly indicative of what's going on. also what's going on is that there's an attack on the rule of law. trying to weaken the supreme court. and even mike bloomberg, a very staunch supporter of israel, wrote about the parallels to israel if that happens. the bottom line here is that if we don't really embrace the two state solution, where there's gonna be an independent jewish democratic state and israel, and that's gonna be a separate

palestinian state, then you're gonna have constant conflict. and what we're seeing now is only gonna get worse. >> senator, isn't the problem that whatever netanyahu does, however many settlements he builds, however many racist comments he makes about -- congressional democrats will always have his back. have a picture of your leader, senator schumer, all smiles and laughs, where the prime minister who appointed racists and fascists to his government. the kind of people who make marjorie taylor greene look moderate. >> look, mehdi, here's the conflict. we've had a long-standing relationship with israel and want to maintain that. senator schumer, obviously, it's been a leader. but what i said to the prime minister when we were meeting with him is that the attack on the rule of law, weakening the courts, and then the annexation -- the addition of settlements that occurred, and the validation, legalization, of

these illegal outposts, was gonna create political turmoil here. it's creating political turmoil in israel right now. but this issue is going to be bubbling up, and it's gonna become a real focus, a debate. and you heard senator sanders comments, where he's expressing that point of view. if we're gonna be successful, there's gotta be -- democratic values in the netanyahu government. there has to be a revitalization two state solution to make it real. >> so, this week, as i mentioned, one of those racist fascists, israeli finance minister -- openly called for the wiping out of the west bank palestinian town. are you okay with the leading minister of the government -- coming to town this week saying

this kind of stuff? genocidal stuff? shouldn't there be consequences? >> that should be repudiated and the strongest terms. i mean, he's calling for state action to attack palestinians in the west bank. and that should be repudiated. the whole policy should be repudiated. it's not just about smotrich. he's a minister in the netanyahu government that is doing things that no other government in israel has done. that, is a, attacked the judiciary, and there is widespread discontent in israel about that. hundreds of thousands of people demonstrating. by the way, there is a vibrant democracy here. let's not forget that. it's because we've got a very right-wing government with people like smotrich --

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official. a segment where we usually agree on something outlandish and usually something to do with the republican party. but they were doing things a little differently. if you haven't been living under all rock this weekend you would know my good friend, mehdi hassan, has written about. aptly titled, when every argument. so tonight, medina are going to can debate, perhaps even argue, about something we fundamentally disagree on. which comic series is truly the best. marvel comics or as i would contend dc comics. mehdi, joining me now on his own show. mehdi hasan, great to see you my friend. congrats on the book. i have it right here. i've used it tonight. we start with some day you write about in chapter ten setting a booby trap for you. do you believe marvel comics is the better series here?

>> i mean, a myth, with respect to you can't tell me you're about to set a booby trap. because then it is not a booby trap. you kind of mess that went up. but i will tell you this. >> marvel. i'll answer a question, marvel. the marvel movie universe certainly is far superior to the dc universe. i'm not sure anyone who was sane who was watch and in the movies can claim otherwise. there is no scenario. the people are with me, people are not with you. >> well every night on your show you claim to be for justice, we talked about justice, yet here you are turning your back on dc comics which literally has the justice lead. is this not hypocritical of to a banded the very principles, the very comic, that has the word justice in it? >> eamonn i think they're in danger of gaslighting some of our viewers. there's no justice in the dc comics. justice supplement destroys

innocent people. >> it's not called just lead? >> it's not called the people democratic republic of north korea? doesn't make democrats just give it a nice name. he destroys most of the cities when he's fighting with solid. he destroys innocent people. batman is a vigilante, doesn't follow the law. i follow people like door. i follow people like door. >> i am not just going to move on. hold on, chapter three -- >> i planted my feet and i will not move. >> chapter three, so your receipts. i got something for you right here. some of your own tweets, and your own words, showing support for captain america and the punisher. these are two figures who have become synonymous with the far-right in this country, january six rioters. who wanted to overthrow our democracy. >> how dare you. there is a picture of a january six protester holding up a

captain america shield. another waving the punisher flag. come on mehdi hassan? is that really want to be associated with? is this really the company you want to keep? you want to keep that kind of company? >> this is really low. amen, this is low for you. to ruin captain america's name. he doesn't speak for these people, sorry, the people who are with me. the people who go and watch marvel movies way more than they watch d.c. movies. the american people, their captain america, there with our, met there with, or not with wonder woman. >> >> you have abandoned superman, the immigrant journalists who uses nothing but his own human powers to actually thwart evil. you standby tony stark a capitalist industrialists. that is we stand with? >> tony stark is a self made man, a man who made his own equipment. >> he's a spoiled brat was too many powers. >> we're going to have to agree to disagree. congratulations on the book