♪ ♪ good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york. we're seeing the first punches being thrown in what may be end up being one of the most brutal and bitter nominations in modern history. donald trump and ron desantis are both gearing up for their debuts in iowa. plus, take a look at these extraordinary images. another norfolk southern train flying off the tracks less than 200 miles from the derailment in east palestine a month ago. with the ntsb set to arrive

today, there are no reports of any toxic chemical spills, but lots of questions about how in the world this happened again. what started out as a wild weather story has quickly turned into a life-threatening disaster. scores of california residents penned in by literal walls of snow more than six feet high. they're trapped and running out of food. we'll have a live report on rescue operations under way right now. today the battle lines for the 2024 republican nomination are being more clearly than we've seen to date, setting up what may be a long and nasty fight for the republican nomination. we heard it in donald trump's borderline apocalyptic address to a less-than-robust corrode at cpac, while ron desantis amped up his attack on liberals to a packed house at the reagan

library. >> in four years you didn't see our administration leaking like a sive. you didn't see a lot of drama and palace intrigue. what you saw was surgical precision, execution day after day after day and because we did that, we beat the left day after day after day. >> -- battle. they know it. i know it. you know it. everybody knows it. this is an either they win or we win. if they win, we no longer have a country. >> now both trump and desantis are headed to iowa in the coming days as "the new york times" reports that the former president is digging in for an ugly and protracted battle. nbc's vaughn hillyard spent the week at cpac and joins me onset. susan page is bureau chief for

"usa today." trump is reportedly gearing up. he has president been doing much. now he's reportedly not just going to go out and do rallies, but apparently, if reporting is right, policy speeches as well. what does this campaign look like going forward? >> the campaign advisers i've talked to, they intend for this to be a very deliberate campaign from donald trump making the case that he over his four years fought for conservative policies. if we go back to 2015, 2016, remember the questions we were having? it was, is donald trump actually pro-life? is he actually a fiscal conservative? >> is he serious about run? >> is he serious about running? what type of republican would he be in the white house? that's not a question this time around. we lived through those four years. donald trump is going around making the case to conservatives, stick with me, and after those four years we can do this again. a week from now he's going to

iowa. the focus is the educational proposal he put forward in which one of the proposals is to slash federal funding for a school pushing political race theory onto our children -- >> when you're at cpac, are people talking about policies when they talk about donald trump? >> chris, let's be very straightforward about this. for donald trump a lot of this is about grievance politics. he's an aggrieved individual. he says i am going to essentially do what i can to take down the deep state, the democratic party. at the same time there are policies, today modern day conservative policies discussed at cpac. one being banning gender-affirming care for minors. we heard that over and over from speakers on stage. the border, fentanyl. there are very much issues that compel republicans to politics. >> frankly that he used to get

elected the first time and to keep the troops together since then. >> correct. what did you also hear from him this weekend? social security. he said there are other republicans taking a shot at ron desantis there. there are others that want to reform entitlement. donald trump said i am here to protect them. for donald trump, he is intending to try to make -- there's a lot of folks that will take question with the actual policies he's presenting and putting forward, but they are issues he intends to actually run on. >> a lot of people are talking, matt, about the differences between these two men. let me talk to you at least on the surface, they're both running on the same sort of platform which is look what i've done. for donald trump, it's look what i did as president. for ron desantis, look what i've accomplished as governor. do you see differences? what differentiates them or might in reality in the eyes of a republican voter?

>> to me the big difference is one is trump and one is not trump. that's the big difference that he's going to try to push in there. i think he'll try to highlight one is a loser, which is what desantis' campaign will try to brand donald trump as, and i'm a winner, i just won in a landslide, the largest victory for a republican in florida in modern times. i think that's more of it. it's not going to be an issue -- i don't think there will ever be an issue -- with donald trump you never get into an issue debate. he doesn't care about issues. i think the interesting things are, these are probably the two biggest practitioners of grievance politics we've seen in our times in politics. so the strive for the top of the ticket will actually be a search for the bottom, is who can go band the cruellest, who can be the meanest, who can take on with their view enemies of the america they want? that's what they'll strive for. one will try to do it as, i'm

not donald trump, you know me. i won. donald trump lost a series of elections. you don't want to go with him again. that to me will be the decisional point and the pivot upon which the voters in the republican primary. they like both of these men. in fact, they like donald trump more now than they did at the beginning of the process in 2015. they like both of these folks. but the hateful politics they push, one wants to say i'm a winner. the other one wants to say he's a loser. >> i think there's another similarity, susan, i'll posit this, that they both are in many ways backward looking, not just in running on their record. that's always to some extent looking back. everybody tells you what they're going to do going forward. desantis is pitching florida as a model for the country. in doing so, he reignited or tried to reignite the debate over covid. take a listen to this. >> when the world went mad, when

common sense suddenly became an uncommon virtue, florida stood as a refuge of sanity, a citadel of freedom. we refused to let our state descend into some faucian dystopia. >> to matt's point of grievance politics, he's pushing politics like banning diversity programs at public universities, expanding gun rights, restrictions abortion rights. how does that help him beat trump, or does it? >> well, i think it helps him beat trump in the republican primary. one of the interesting things we're seeing is it's possible we are not going to see a replay of this republican primaries from 2016 when he had a big field and that helped donald trump win the nomination. at the moment it's donald trump and ron desantis with no one

else getting a toehold so far. that's a different landscape for donald trump to face. in ron desantis, he faces someone with whom he has few ideological differences. the differences are stylistic, and this, ron desantis has a veto-proof majority in the florida legislature. we should expect them in the next two months to pass his agenda which will enable him to say, look what i can get done, and contrast that also with former president trump. >> there's one thing we haven't said yet, vaughn, and i don't think you saw this at cpac, but there was the exhaustion factor. it's hard to be exhausted by ron desantis because, frankly, a lot of the country is just getting to know who he is. donald trump is a completely different story to your point of, we all know where we've been. we all know what he did for the four years he was president, the four years since, but is your sense that the exhaustion factor is significant enough to help ron desantis?

>> i think that a conversation i actually had with two operatives just this morning, it centered on the question of how many republicans who used to be actively engaged in republican primaries, had become disenchanted with the party, maybe even changed their party registration to independent or democrat so they coat vote another party's primary, how many more of those folks are in tune with a larry hogan, a chris sununu, a liz cheney, a martha mcsally. they're a little quieter over the last eight years, but folks that want to be engaged are frustrated by what -- when i say conservatism, what that means today. it doesn't mean the same thing as 12 years ago. so how many of those folks are going to reengage in this republican primary presidential

contest. they couldn't do that four years ago, but how many of them are going to be in iowa an new hampshire that maybe i'm not running into on the side of the road or at cpac or at the mike pence event in cedar rapids that i was at two weeks ago, but folks that will quietly reengage with the republican party and try to take hold of it. that is frankly an answer i don't have. that may not be a ron desantis vote, it may not even be a nikki haley vote. it may be for someone like a chris sununu or a liz cheney. >> we'll talk about that later on in our next hour, if a moderate could possibly win the republican nomination. matt, another interesting development from cpac that i'm curious to hear your take on. kari lake won the vice presidential poll over people like ron desantis and nikki haley. is that a name recognition thing or does it tell us something about the maga wing of the party? >> i think it definitely tells us something about the maga wing, but i wouldn't call it the

maga win. i would call it the base of the republican party in this. what's fascinating is i watched you show that clip of ron desantis which he was at simi valley, obviously the home of the reagan library. if ronald reagan showed up at this cpac convention, ronald reagan, their hero of the past would be booed because of where he stood on bridging divides, where he stood on various issues. he would be booed today at that cpac convention. >> would ronald reagan himself boo -- he wasn't the kind of person who would do that. but would he, as his son suggested -- i think michael reagan suggested this, be unhappy with what he heard in his library from ron desantis? >> i think if ronald reagan had shown up and saw carry lake, he would have thought he was in one of the movies in the 1940s, this can't be real, this is not real in the course of this.

kari lake is so typical of where the republican party is. she's loved by the base. she says the craziest things, they cheer her when she says the craziest things. she's still denying the election, she lives in a state governed by a democrat in arizona. we're saying the fact that ronald reagan would be booed and out of sync and kari lake would be a hero tells you everything you need to know about where the republican party today. >> michael reagan was talking about kari lake and not ron desantis, confusing my weekend speeches. susan, there's no modern precedent for a defeated former president competing in a primary like this. what are you going to be watching for going forward? we heard what vaughn will be looking for after talking to his sources. what are you going to be looking for in terms of how this race is

going to unfold going forward? >> it's not only unprecedented in modern times because we have a former president defeated for re-election running again, it's also unprecedented because we could have a nominee, a candidate who is criminally indicted and still running for president. former president trump said this weekend he would run even if he is indicted which is clearly a possibility in some of the investigations against him. i think the thing you look for is whether ron desantis can consolidate the vote that is not trump and convince some of the trump voters that it is okay to vote for him. that's going to be a harder task than you think because trump is a great hero to a significant number of republicans. he's the face of this party, and he's not likely to go quietly away if ron desantis seems to be gaining ground or even winning the nomination. would donald trump support ron desantis if he wins the republican nomination? i'm not sure i know the answer to that question.

>> i have one more question even though we're out of time, matt dowd. since he answered a question about it, if donald trump were to be indicted, buzz that hurt him or just energize his forces? >> i think donald trump -- it's not able that we're able to pick out something that he says is truthful and probably accurate which is, as he said in the course of that, that he actually thought an indictment would help him. i actually would agree with that. it feeds into, they're all against us, they're all against us, i'm fighting for you. they're taking me on so they're really taking you on. which is basically what he said. not only did he say he'd run if he's indicted, i think he's running because he is indicted. i think among the republican base, before a general election, it would actually help him. >> such interesting stuff, matthew dowd, susan page, vaughn hillyard, who will be on the road for the next 18 months or

so, thank you so much. you've got to see this heart stopping clip out of ohio. take a look at the view from one springfield, ohio, driver. it came -- do we have that? there it is. another norfolk southern train ran off the tracks. the driver is slowly backing the car away from that dangerous scene. officials report no injuries to public health. this is norfolk southern's second derailment in the state in just weeks, the fourth in less than five months in ohio. i'm going to bring in nbc's jesse kirsch on the ground for us in springfield. jesse, officials from the national transportation safety board are now investigating, as i understand, at the site where you are. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: chris, two things. one, you can see this is still a blocked-off roadway. we've got cleanup on going here, but the trains are moving again.

we've seen multiple trains coming by on these tracks, norfolk southern trains. this company has had four derailments in this state in less than five months. senator sherrod brown calling that unacceptable, making another push for legislative reform, something we know has bipartisan support in congress right now. the ceo of norfolk southern is expected to be testifying on capitol hill later this week. the ramifications of what happened roughly a month ago in east palestine are clear even here 200 miles away. i spoke with a gentleman earlier and pointed out the ohio environmental protection agency says nothing hazardous leaked into the air, soil or water here. despite that, he says he's still sceptical of what he's hearing. what comes to mind is what happened in east palestine. residents are concerned about their health, financial well-being and future of that small community after what happened there roughly a month ago. this is a fresh derailment here.

investigators are looking into this incident. we still don't have an official word on cause of what happened in east palestine. one thing i asked of norfolk southern railroad yesterday is what they would say to people who question whether this railroad should be allowed to operate right now considering what's going on. the railroad says safety is its number one priority. they unveiled today a new safety plan that includes a push for improving, expanding their network of sensors which tracks the temperature of the wheel bearings, one of the things that ntsb is looking at. they continue to emphasize safety as something they're focused on, and say that after each derailment, they do an investigation, and if there are takeaways to improve safety, they will implement those. still to be determined what comes out of this scene. we know the government is independently investigating separately from the railroad. however, as we heard from a resident here earlier and what we've heard from people in east

palestine, that doesn't necessarily take away some of the skepticism in communities based on what's going on with the railroad. >> yeah. they've got a long, long time to get credibility back. jesse kirsch, thank you so much. a nightmare situation in california. unusual snowstorms have left thousands without power, but others are completely trapped. now some people are running out of food. we've got a live report from the ground next. the strict new anti-abortion measures and how changing the definition of life-threatening is being used by conservative lawmakers. the stark warning from iran's supreme leader about the ongoing suspected poisonings of school girls is ahead. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. re watchg reports" only on msnbc d-free alf that starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergy sprays take hours. now with astepro fast allergy relief, [ spray, spray ] you can astepro and go. my active psoriatic arthritis can slow me down.

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this because the plastic ones have been breaking because the snow is so heavy and dense. take a look at this distribution center that has formed outside of this shuttered grocery store. there are protein shakes, formula, diapers, food, so many items that people really could use right now. we're going to walk over to the distribution line so you can see still this line stretches down to the end of the parking lot. take a look at some of the people. there are little kids here, parents bringing their children. one of the new items we've seen here is digiorno pizza, something you can freeze and pop into an oven if you're a resident who still has heat. there are hundreds of people still without heat. the big news here is how many people are at the higher elevations. one woman standing inside this line commented we're the lucky ones. we could actually leave our home. a lot of them are having to hike out of feet of snow to try to get down here. this is just the beauty of this

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military base in tucson, arizona. and as many as ten more may be joining them in the coming days. doing the reporting on this, chris, we spoke to defense officials about this. they insist that despite this event that's occurring at a u.s. military base in arizona, the administration still is resisting the calls from ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy and other ukrainian officials to provide attack aircraft like f-16s to the ukrainians. they continue to say they have not made that decision. we actually heard specifics about that for the first time from the pentagon's top official. he said it would take as much as 18 months to train some of these ukrainian pilots on aircraft like the f-16. we spoke with defense officials after that, part of this assessment will determine whether that actually is the case. if you have pilots that have experience on other attack aircraft like migs that the ukrainians fly, it's possible

they could cut that training down to as low as six months. since this war started, since russia invaded ukraine a year ago, the ukrainian military has repeatedly been able to surpass expectations about how quickly they can train on some of these more difficult and advanced systems that the u.s. and others have been providing them. >> courtney kube, thank you. ukraine's top general told president zelenskyy they don't want to give up on the keyest eastern city of bakhmut even as russian forces are closing in. nbc's matt bradley is following the story. i heard that ukraine was ready to retreat after the fierce fighting in bakhmut. what are officials there saying now? >> now we're hearing from president volodymyr zelenskyy that it looks as though the generals -- we know that president zelenskyy doesn't run the day to days of this war. the generals say they want to stay and continue to defend this city. as courtney mentioned a moment

ago, this has been going on for over a year. this battle for bakhmut has been going on almost as long as that it's by far the longest battle that ukraine has endured since the beginning of this fight. it's ash gubly the most lethal and the most damaging. we're seeing here two sides pitted against each other that seem to be almost entirely equal in terms of strength, even though the ukrainians seem to be having the upper hand in a lot of areas throughout the country. much of the fighting has been led by the wagner group on the russian side headed by yevgeny prigozhin. he's been leading the fight, not the regular russian military for most of this time. the fact that there's been so much damage on both sides for this entire battle, and so much death on both sides for this entire battle, it's baffled western military analysts who have been watching this and

advising the ukrainians. they wonder why the ukrainians don't withdraw and why the russians don't withdraw and focus on other places. the fact is, while bakhmut has some strategic value, it's not worth the amount of material and lives that both sides have been spending. it is as lloyd austin, the u.s. defense department secretary said just today, it would be a symbolic victory for russia to take bakhmut, not a strategic one. the fight for bakhmut has opened up military fissures in moscow. officials in ukraine are together with zelenskyy to stay, the russian attack has been so damaging to the kremlin. that's because as i mentioned, prig goes sin, the leader of the wagner group, a private army. he's repeatedly accusing the kremlin, the leaders of the

ministry of defense in russia of not providing them with the weapons they need in order to succeed in bakhmut. as this battle rages on the russian side despite all the advice, all the conventional military thinking, it has done a lot of damage to the unity of the kremlin and the russian war effort. chris. >> once again, ukrainians are often outperforming what a lot of people think they can. matt bradley, thank you. the moves that threaten reproductive rights across the u.s., the states taking on abortion and the intricate strategies some lawmakers are using. millions of americans now left without the means to put food on the table. i'll ask congressman jim mcgovern of massachusetts if congress will do anything about it. stay with us. congress will do a it stay with us if you're turning 65 soon

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medications for abortions. i want to bring in former u.s. attorney and professor at the university of alabama law school joyce vance. let me just start with an example. abortion was long considered protected by the wyoming state constitution, which guarantees adults the right to make their own health care decisions. so lawmakers wrote this bill saying abortion is not health care. is there any limit, essentially, to what states can legislate or i guess in this case define? >> so there really aren't any limits on states any longer. before the supreme court ripped the protections, previously companied abortion off, states have limited on what they could do. but in dobb's last term, the supreme court said there's no constitutional right to get an abortion. that means states can set up whatever legal regime they want. it can be completely permissive or it can ban abortion outright,

and that's why we're seeing states like utah and wyoming pass these very restrictive measures. there's no longer any concern that it's not constitutional. >> does it include this, another example, joyce, exemptions include pregnancy that would endanger the woman's life or held, but they specifically say that does not cover being suicidal. they do not consider being suicidal a threat to a woman's life. could these rewrites be the basis for a legal challenge or simply, again, because their state legislatures and they're writing laws, they can define anything any way they want to? >> so there will be challenges. i feel certain of that. the problem of that is with the supreme court, this very conservative supreme court is the ultimate decider on abortion issues. it's tough to feel optimistic, and so the example that you identify, chris, you know, this law that has very limited exceptions for the health of the

mother, doctors still perform those procedures at the risk of falling under criminal suspicion. so you know that that will disincentivize them from performing or providing services in virtually all circumstances, and then as you say, even that bill has no carve out whatsoever for the mother's emotional health or mental health. so these are not protections for women. these are simply efforts for these bills to survive scrutiny in the courts if they get there. >> let me ask you about a bill on the other end of the spectrum, in washington state where abortion is legal, state lawmakers are proposing laws to protect women who are getting an abortion. one would block subpoenas for information from other states where it's illegal. so in other words, a woman who lives in a state, let's say texas where there are restrictions, decides she wants to come to washington state to get an abortion, that would block anyone in that state from

sending that information back to texas or any other state where it might be used to prosecute her, right? i know, for example, there are countries that won't share information with the u.s. or don't have extradition treaties with the u.s. maybe that's a bad comparison, but would this be a new area of state law? this blocking and sharing of information? >> so i think the extradition agreements are actually a really good example because there are some countries, the united kingdom is one of them that says, look, we don't agree with the united states policy on the death penalty, so we won't submit folks in our care to your jurisdiction, that's essentially what's going to happen over one state that chooses to outlaw abortion can impose its belief in other states. for instance, when citizens of texas travel elsewhere to obtain medical services, look, this is the next frontier in litigation. five years ago, we would have all said there's no chance that

texas can interfere in washington, but now i think we have to be honest and say we just don't know what the courts will rule. >> we'll be talking about this continuously, joyce vance, always good to see you my friend. thank you for that. still ahead, the latest scare in the sky, why one florida bound train had to make a rare emergency landing. wait until you hear those details next! . >> the plane just shook and then dropped. very terrifying because a lot of kids and women. g because a lot f kids and women

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today we're talking about new aviation concerns because there have been more scary incidents in the sky, including a rare emergency landing and severe turbulence that left one passenger dead. tom costello has more. >> reporter: high drama on the runway at havana's airport. a southwest airlines flight, forced to make an emergency landing. the airline says an apparent bird strike hit the plane's engine and its nose shortly after takeoff. >> complete chaos, talking about dropping really quick and the fuse getting filled up and nobody could breathe, and everybody's screaming. >> meanwhile, a separate instance of severe turbulence in the air turned deadly. >> requesting medical assistance on the runway. >> a jet carrying five people on

its way to virginia from new hampshire encountered severe turbulence on friday. >> this is the tower with a medical emergency, landing runway 6. >> the pilot diverted the jet from its original route to make an emergency landing in connecticut. the faa and ntsb confirming the extreme turbulence caused fatal injuries to a passenger on board. >> it's not rare to have serious injuries, broken bones, people being jostled about, but to have someone actually die means something traumatic really muff -- must have happened. >> reporter: it comes after yet another midair insulate last week. a lufthansa jumbo jet traveling from texas to germany, diverted to dulles airport outside of washington, d.c. due to significant turbulence that sent seven passengers to the hospital. >> it was pretty scarey, honestly, for a little bit. >> reporter: passengers recount people screaming and a flight