hampshire encountered severe turbulence on friday. >> this is the tower with a medical emergency, landing runway 6. >> the pilot diverted the jet from its original route to make an emergency landing in connecticut. the faa and ntsb confirming the extreme turbulence caused fatal injuries to a passenger on board. >> it's not rare to have serious injuries, broken bones, people being jostled about, but to have someone actually die means something traumatic really muff -- must have happened. >> reporter: it comes after yet another midair insulate last week. a lufthansa jumbo jet traveling from texas to germany, diverted to dulles airport outside of washington, d.c. due to significant turbulence that sent seven passengers to the hospital. >> it was pretty scarey, honestly, for a little bit. >> reporter: passengers recount people screaming and a flight attendant unable to stabilize

himself. >> one of the drops, he literally completely hit the ceiling and dropped down and was completely horizontal. >> reporter: on board, actor matthew mcconaughey and his wife, camila, they posted about the couple's chaotic experience writing everything was flying everywhere and the turbulence kept oncoming. >> we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it. at this hour on capitol hill, the senate back in session just one hour from now for a busy week ahead with top intelligence officials about to face a grilling about classified documents and the chinese spy balloon. an unforivable crime, that's what iran's supreme leader is calling the suspected poisonings of school girls.

state media is reporting a journalist has been arrested while covering the story. officials have not confirmed that arrest. in atlanta, 23 people now facing charges after clashes between police and protesters, who police say is behind the violence. and breaking news on the cause of that toxic train derailment in ohio. what we've just learned from the national transportation safety board. our nbc news reporters are here covering all of the latest developments, we start in ohio with brand new details coming in about what exactly led to the norfolk southern train carrying dangerous chemicals to derail in east palestinian, ohio. maggie vespa is in springfield, the site of another derailment in ohio. i know the head of the ntsb was on "washington post" live. what cut us? >> reporter: first, the chair of the ntsb, first and foremost, tied to this latest norfolk southern derailment here in springfield, ohio, said they still don't know the cause. this is a very active and

massive investigation behind me so they're working on that as we speak. she clarified and confirmed, we heard from officials yesterday, that four cars on that train were also carrying hazardous materials, but the good news is those four cars were not included in the 28 that derailed. the hazardous stuff stayed on the tracks. there was no leaking or contamination. as far as what happened in east palestine, that was a wheel bearing. the ntsb telling "the washington post" live, that basically in that case, and hopefully soon in this case, they know what happened, now they want to dig into how that happened, and to do that, they say they're going to look at the inner workers of norfolk southern. take a listen. >> we're going to look at norfolk southern's overall accident history. we're going to look at culture in the company. safety culture. we will look at management

practices and policies. we'll really dig in, so the what of an accident investigation is usually immediately available. it's how we got here, that's what takes time to really dig into and get the facts. >> so, again, we just want to be clear. we are on the site of the second norfolk southern derailment in a month. east palestine, ohio, just about a month ago. by the way, when asked by "the washington post" if the american people should fear that transporting these hazardous materials by rail is categorically unsafe or becoming unsafe, the chair told "the washington post" that while she says it's safer than driving, accidents are on the rise. chris? >> maggie vespa, thank you for that. let's go to nbc's guad venegas in atlanta, where we just learned 23 peo domestic terrori after a chaotic clash with police. guad, i think this is an

escalation after months of protests after a planned police training center. i'm not sure many people have been followed the story that live around there. bring us up to speed. >> it's an escalation. it's not the first time we see violence between the people planning to protest the building of the police training facility. i'm going to show you what it looks like today. this is the site of a future police training facility known as cop city. this is the construction area where individuals engage in what police say were violent activities. you can see construction materials, a bulldozer and others that were set on fire yesterday. there's also a lot of rocks in the area. some of the surveillance videos that police shared showed a lot of rocks being thrown over the fence. that's right behind me, and when we showed up today, you can still see some of these rocks that the police chief says were thrown at officers yesterday when this took place. what's happening? over the last few months,

protesters have been in this green area, southeast of downtown atlanta, an area protesters say should not be used to build the police training community. they support peaceful protesters but not violent acts like the one we saw yesterday. 23 individuals charged with domestic terrorism. only two of them live in georgia. the rest are from other places. in fact, two of them are international, one from france and another one from canada, according to the police department. chris. >> guad venegas, thank you for that. we're getting the first public comments from iran's supreme leader about the terrifying and troubling series of suspected poisonings of school girls across the country. nbc's matt bradley has been following the story closely. 30 students had to be taken to medical centers with symptoms of poisoning. that's according to the state media. what more can you tell us about what's going on and what the

supreme leader had to say about it? >> reporter: there's been more than a thousand students, mostly, almost entirely schoolgirls who have been affected by this, ever since the first outbreak on november 30th in the religious city of calm. you asked, what is the latest here? the latest is the comments from the supreme leader. this is something we have been waiting for. it's three months since we first started to hear about this. it looks as though a lot of public attention and scrutiny on these bizarre and dangerous looking illnesses that have been sprouting up, again, for more than a thousand school girls throughout the country. some 25 out of more than 30 iranian provinces. it really does look as though this was deliberate and it is as though, you know, the public attention was what finally made the iranian government force their hand to acknowledge it and to speak about it. and we actually heard over the past week, some official mutterings from various ministries, various other

leaders, kind of looking into this, trying to figure out what it is that's going on. those statements today from the ayatollah made it very clear that the iranian government or at least the supreme leader of iran, and there is no higher authority than that, does believe this is deliberate, this is not the result of some sort of, you know, industrial poisoning, or food poisoning or anything that could have gotten into the water. this is something that is deliberate, and he said that he was going to be going out and trying to find out who was responsible and that those people would face the ultimate punishment. also in those comments and this was interesting and revealing, he seemed to put a lot of blame and attention on those who were spreading false information or sort of drumming up concern about this scandal, about these incidents. and this is something that you just mentioned a moment ago, chris. there was a journalist reporting on this from the beginning. he was reportedly arrested. so, you know, and we've also seen images, and those were not yet confirmed of police responding to protesting parents with tear gas. so it does look as though the

iranian regime which has been facing months and months of protests against that obligatory hijab or hair covering, they see the problem on par with the descent around this problem. they look like they're just as invested in suppressing dissent around the poisoning of the school girls as they are from preventing the school girls from being poisoned. national security threats, a controversial d.c. crime bill, and even starbucks business practices, all of it making it on to the senate agenda this week. lawmakers are preparing to gavel in in d.c., about 45 minutes from now. nbc's ryan nobles is on capitol hill for us. so where are the priorities this week? >> reporter: chris, it's safe to say this might be the busiest week of the calendar for the united states senate. there's so much going on, and we'll start with the d.c. crime bill. it looks as though that's likely to get a vote in the senate sometime this week, and it is

likely to pass that will mean the crime bill passed by the d.c. common council will not be effective. the d.c. common council has tried to withdraw the legislation to prevent the senate from voting on it. senate leadership says they still expect to do so. we expect that in the next couple of days. then it's going to be senators taking on ceos. two big ceos are going to be in the cross hairs of senators this week, the first allen shaw of norfolk southern, scheduled to testify on thursday. expected to get a lot of questions about what happened with the train derailment in ohio and other things, and what his company plans to do to prevent it from happening and fix the problem in ohio, and the current star bucks ceo, howard schultz, could be subject to a subpoena. that would be a very provocative move by the chairman bernie sanders in an effort to get schultz to testify before his

committee. starbucks has offered up another member of their leadership team because schultz is expected to step down as ceo in the next couple of months, and later this week, a worldwide threats hearing with the top intel leaders from the biden administration, the director of national intelligence, the director of the cia, all expected to be in a public hearing in front of the united states senate, getting tough questions on the classified documents investigation, the chinese spy balloon, the relationship with china and their efforts to build up their military threat against the united states, and much more, all of that expected this week here in the senate and in the congress in general. there's no doubt, chris, there's a lot on the table. >> without a doubt, ryan nobles, i think we'll be seeing a lot of that. thank you so much for that. message testing, president biden returning today to a couple of topics that helped win him the white house. will it be enough to win over moderates in 2024. and snowed in, rescuers

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president biden praising union firefighters in washington today, and frankly, getting a lot of love in return. it's latest sign he is doubling and tripling down on core democratic messaging, remaining laser focused on the issues he hopes will win over moderates and independents. union rights voting rights, abortion rights, gun control, issues democrats believe will deliver those moderates needed to win in 2024. with no indication there's a republican who's set to claim those voters. i want to bring in nbc's allie

raffa, covering the white house. msnbc political analyst, he is here with me for the first time in a long time on set. good to see you, nick. look, pew research if you go back and look at what happened in 2020, biden beat donald trump 52-43% with independents. there was a shift toward joe biden among those all important suburban voters. is his strategy, what he's doing, the issues that he's looking at, the messaging he's doing, what it's going to take to continue to keep those folks? >> look, i think the first phase here is shoring up the democratic base, you know, showing them some love, and providing those basic, you know, pieces for our campaign. the next stage really is the middle. the big challenge is not those issues but the economy. it's always the economy. his big challenge is to sell the

voter that the economy is better than they think. >> the president, when he spoke today, it was the first president to address the international association of firefighters in more than two decades, but of course, joe biden has a long history of with unions. it's been seen as chance for him to express those themes that, you know, nick just talked about. i mean, that is the core democratic base. what did we hear from him today? >> if there was ever a question on who this union would back in 2024, considering they backed the president in 2020, the reaction from this group made it crystal clear who they would back. they clearly signal that if the president decides to run again for reelection, which at this point, all signals are a go, that they will have his back, and that was really the theme of this speech was loyalty. the president talking about all the different times he's relied on firefighters and first

responders, and talking about all the ways he's had and will have their backs going forward. i want you to take a bit of a listen to what he had to say as well as the reaction to his speech from the union. >> you guys are the best, you women are the best, and that's not hyperbole. you are the best america has to you ever a. -- offer. we owe you. >> you get it. you get us. in just two years, you have clearly established yourself as the greatest president firefighters have ever had in this country. thank you so much. >> the president talking about all the ways he has and will plan to continue fighting for firefighters, both economically as well as medically. he talked about boosting funding for firefighters during the pandemic. he talked about his efforts in

expanding medical coverage for them, pushing for the honor act in congress. he says that he will sign that if and when it gets to his desk. that's an act that would expand the medical benefits for firefighters who have been exposed to toxic chemicals on duty. he also talked about his legislative accomplishments in the past two years, and how they have helped firefighters. things like the bipartisan infrastructure bill, not only repairing bridges and roads across the country, but contributing to repairs for water maintenance as well as brush clearing equipment that would help firefighters. this speech was definitely directed at this specific group, even though the president is not a candidate, it had campaign undertones for union workers as well as just blue collar workers as a whole moving into 2024. >> at some point, the president is going to have to go out and say, i actually am run for

reelection, and he'll have to make appearances. there are definitely some politicians, more than others who feed off an audience, that kind of love that clearly they were giving to joe biden, but there's no politician who doesn't feed off of it, right, and maybe this early, it's not such a big thing, but long-term, getting a candidate in front of a group that's going ton reaffirming frankly who has questions surrounding his own energy is no small thing. >> look, firefighters are a lay out for joe biden, right? >> absolutely. >> it's a good audience for him. it's positive affirmation. it's blue collar. it sends the right message. this is the opening bill, we are just getting started. it's going to be a long campaign, and the field is not set on the other side of the campaign. what biden has going for him, what every strong incumbent has. he can run a general election

campaign from now to forever. that's what he's going to do. that's a real strength for any incumbent. >> let's talk about the republican side, because it's always going to come down to in this divided country, the moderates, who truly will go back and forth, maybe voted for donald trump and went over to joe biden. larry hogan is a more moderate republican. i get out, i'm not going to do this. chris sununu, a guy who's pro choice, rejected a redistricting plan put in place by his own party. he has steered clear of the gender wars. can, i guess, a traditional small tax, smaller government republican win the nomination right now. >> i mean, one could, right? if there's three or four of them, i'm not sure it's going to happen. i think desantis is kind of out there. he's probably going to run, and when he does, his message is going to be more about winning. in florida, i crushed it in florida.

i'm a governor who does things, trump is a guy who lost three tiles, right? so we'll see if sununu tries to pick up the mantle of the more traditional conservatism that trump eclipsed. desantis is forging something new out of trumpist populism that isn't trump. i think we'll see the clash and how much this is about trump. >> nick, great to have you back. kidnapping, the fbi working to find four americans taken at gunpoint moments after they crossed the border into mexico. their abduction is reigniting fears of organized crime just beyond the border. we'll head live to texas in a moment. plus, stranded in the snow and desperate efforts to reach residents and resupply neighbors, as rescue crews field hundreds of calls in california. d hundreds of calls in california.

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morgan, what do we know about what happened here? how might this have happened? >> yeah, chris, a frightening situation playing out friday in the border city. according to medical examiner -- mexican authorities, they were in a white van with north carolina plates, crossed from brownsville into the mexican city to purchase inexpensive medicine, which can be bought just across the border for a far lesser price than here in the united states, and we're told that shortly after they crossed, they were involved almost immediately in an exchange of gunfire between two groups, and that is when, according to authorities they were kidnapped by this group, which remains unnamed. their whereabouts unknown at this hour, and the fbi offering, of course, that $50,000 reward, as you mentioned, for any information leading to help bringing them back home or bringing these culprits to justice. worth noting here, chris, that

the u.s. consulate had issued a travel warning for the matamoris area on friday because there had been such intense violence going on there. this happened just a short time after that warning went out. we do know according to a press briefing, kelly o'donnell asking to what extent is the administration aware of this. we were told that u.s. law enforcement, the fbi working in conjunction with mexican law enforcement to try to track down those responsible, and these four individuals, but a very frightening situation here playing out, chris. we do know that a u.s. -- a mexican citizen, rather, was fatally shot in that exchange of gunfire. no word on the condition of those four individuals or their items right now, chris. >> morgan chesky, thank you for that. roads in the california mountains closed again today as powerful snowstorms continue to bombard the west coast. in california's central modera

county, entire cars submerged by blizzards. people were barely able to dig out their front doors. it's all hands on deck with depp deputies at the county sheriff's office hiking their way to snowed in homes. in this case, rescuing an elderly woman, and then going back again for her small dog. let's bring in sheriff tyson pope. i can't imagine what you're facing from the pictures i've seen. local reporting i've heard. tell me how things are looking right now, sheriff. >> you know, thank you. we're a small rural county located right at the southern gate in yosemite. we have had six major storms slam our county and strain our resources. i've lived here my entire life and the cycle of the last three back-to-back storms has brought more snow and hazardous conditions to our area than i have ever seen. >> do you feel like you have a

good handle now on people who are genuinely at risk, and what are you able to do to help them? >> you know, you've seen the photos and heard the stories. it's truly unprecedented for our area. the weight of the snow on some of these buildings has become an issue. we have had to initiate mandatory evacuations, you have seen some of these just amazing rescues, by our deputies. we have pg&e crews working all night, all day. we have road crews working all night, all day. we have about 350 miles of roadway that we're trying to keep clear. it's pretty dangerous out there, and we're very lucky that we have good support from our county partners, good support from cal oes, and we're hanging in there. >> before we even get to your partners, can i ask you about your deputies, the idea of hiking up through that kind of snow, those kinds of dangerous conditions, not just to rescue someone who's elderly, but then to go back, knowing how important the dog is to that

person, tell me a little bit about the folks who work for you and some of the things that they have been doing? >> you know, we have some of the most amazing deputies that work for us, and the photograph showing one of our brand new deputies. we just hired her, and it shows you the quality of people we try to hire, and how much they actually care about the community, not only to go in there and rescue people. we love our citizens and stuff, we know how much their animals mean to them, and vertical waist high snow to pull those dogs out, it's very sweet, and we're grateful for amazing employees working so hard to do what they can. >> our hats are off to them, and we wish you much safety and maybe no more snowstorms for a while. thank you for taking the time. we appreciate talking to you. in boston, a matter of inches may have saved the life of a subway rider. check this out, all caught on camera, near the stairwell, if

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long protest. in te aviv, a sea of flags and signs paint the landscape. demonstrators say the government has crossed a line with signs to super size, raf sanchez is there with the latest for us. raf? >> reporter: the political situation here in israel deepening into what some fear is a full-blown constitutional crisis. prime minister benjamin netanyahu showing no signs backing down in his plan to weaken israeli's supreme court under his proposed law. israel's parliament which is dominated by netanyahu and his right wing allies could vote by a simple majority to ignore rulings by the supreme court. netanyahu says this is a necessary reform to curb activist judges, but 160,000 protesters took to the streets of tel aviv over the weekend to protest against it. just to give you a sense of scale, proportional to

population, that is the equivalent of 5 million americans out on the streets of new york city. one of the protesters we met was the daughter of the late israeli prime minister yitzhak rabin who was assassinated in 1995 by a far right extremist. she told us how painful it was to see members sitting around benjamin netanyahu's table after he brought them into government and how worried she is about the future of her country. take a listen. >> we are all for jewish democratic state. it's not a matter of left and right. it's a matter of those who believe and fought for those values. >> reporter: now, one other sign of how serious the situation is, a number of reservist fighter pilots from one of the israeli air force's elite squadrons are refusing to attend a day of

training this week in protest of netanyahu's plans. these are some of the most respected people in israeli society, the pilots called upon to carry out an attack against iran's nuclear facilities should it come to that, and the fact that they are prepared to weigh into this political debate is a sign of quite how serious this situation has become. >> nbc's raf sanchez with that report. thank you. meantime, back here at home, we're now seeing agonizingly long lines returning to food banks as cuts to federal pandemic benefits mean millions of americans are losing emergency food stamp assistance. in one case, mile long food lines in what the "washington post" calls a sea of despair and hardship. in kentucky, some waited nine hours until local prisoners on work duty started loading bags of meat and vegetable, potato chips and cookies into vehicles, in one of the nation's most impoverished communities. one man who survived on his

social security disability check said the government is trying to kill us now. they are going to starve us out. here to talk about this, democratic congressman jim mcgovern from massachusetts. i'm going to just ask a blunt question because that was a pretty harsh thing he had to say, congressman, is the government going to kill folks who are hungry? are they going to starve us out? >> there's no doubt that the end of this pandemic bump up in s.n.a.p. is going to hurt a lot of people. you know, i should begin by saying that the s.n.a.p. benefit even with the increase because of the pandemic was never enough. people were still going to food banks, to food pantries. the bottom line is there's a cliff that people are going to feel right now, the money is being cut as we speak. people will have less, and they'll have to be able to, you know, try to find other ways to put food on the table. we live in the richest country of the history of the world, right? and we have 35 million americans who are hungry, who don't know

where their next meal is going to come from. we should all be ashamed of that. i tell people all the time, hunger is a political condition. we have food, we have resources, we have everything but the political will. maybe this latest controversial will help generate the political will so that washington will finally do something more permanent. >> let's talk about specifics here because the average recipient is seeing about $90 per less a month, but in your state, a family with young kids could get as much as $220 less a month. what are you proposing to helping millions of people who say i'm already falling off the cliff. >> we're lucky, we have a governor in maura healey who is brought to the legislature, an emergency appropriations bill to ease that cliff. it will buy time for people, three months, will get 40% of what they were getting. >> and congress? >> well, congress is another story. we have a republican majority in the house, and it's talking about gutting the s.n.a.p.

program. you know, making deep cuts in the program. putting in place more hurdles that people have to jump over in order to get a benefit to be able to purchase food. so, you know, we have to do damage control in the short-term. but we need to elect a congress that will actually pass legislation that will update snap so it provides the kind of benefit where people can afford healthy, nutrition food for their families. and by the way, republicans say people should get a job. the majority of able bodied people actually do work. they earn so little, they qualify for the benefit. maybe we ought to be talking about a livable wage for people who work. maybe that should be a solution. the people on this benefit, working people, children, senior citizens, it is shameful that this benefit is being cut at this point. >> just this morning, speaker kevin mccarthy was asked about ending the pandemic funding. here's what he said.

>> we passed a bill to end the pandemic early, right? end it now. that would save you money. you have roughly about 500 billion. you could easily grab a hundred billion, right off the bat that's not being spent, and a lot of that has been wasted. >> a lot of people are suggesting that this goes even beyond hunger, which is enough of a problem in itself. but this could be a setback, frankly, for the gains that were made as we moved out of the pandemic. are you concerned about the overall impact of the economy on these changes? >> i am, and listening to speaker mccarthy, he's clueless. i mean, he obviously hasn't talked to anybody who is on the s.n.a.p. benefit, who relies on government help to put food on the table. these are real families. these are people who we work with. these are people who have fought in our wars and have worked in our factories, have raised our families. so, yeah, i am worried about the

impact on people i represent, people all over this country. i am also worried about the cutbacks in other programs that i think could have an adverse impact on our economy. look, we're dealing with inflation right now. it is a problem. and president biden's doing his best to try to reverse it, but things are still expensive, and people need to survive, and food is something that we all need. this is not a luxury item. it is something we need. and by the way, hunger is costly. kids who go to school hungry don't learn. workers who go to work hungry are less productive. seniors taking their medication on an empty stomach -- >> it's common sense, though, it does beg the question, i mean, and it's not unique to a republican speaker. hunger is not something that just happened because of the pandemic or the removal of those benefits. why has nothing gotten done? >> joe biden, to his credit, bumped up the reimbursement for

s.n.a.p. joe biden held the first white house conference on hunger, food and nutrition and health in 50 years. and came up with a national strategy. and as we speak, they are bringing people from the public sector, private sector, you name it, everything together, to implement this national strategy to end hunger. we can end hunger in the country. the way not to do it is to cut people's benefits. we ought to take a hard look at what an adequate s.n.a.p. benefit should be, and we ought to work together in a bipartisan way, similar to the way that senator george mcgovern and senator robert dole did in the 1970s and make sure everyone has enough to eat. >> congressman, appreciate you coming in to talk about this. thank you so much. the verdict, new interviews with jurors who convicted alec murdaugh of murder. what they say about him taking the stand. the decades long fight by indigenous people to get back

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for the first time, we're hearing from three of the jurors who found alec murdaugh guilty of killing his wife and youngest son. they tell savannah guthrie and craig melvin that it was a mistake for him to testify on his own behalf. >> do you think he should have taken the stand? >> no. >> what about you, amy? >> no. >> he didn't help himself. >> no. >> if i was him, i don't think i would have. i think he believes he's so convincing that he felt like that was his, you know, last resort. >> nbc's priscilla thompson is outside the correctional institution in columbia, south carolina. that's where murdaugh is being processed after being sentenced to life in prison. the jurors covered a lot of ground on the interview with the "today" show. talking about evidence, the field trip to the murder scene, the tears, right, that we saw from alec murdaugh during the trial. what can you tell us? >> we know that those jurors did not buy those tears.

it was really the evidence that moved them to this guilty verdict. obviously the visit to the property where the crimes took place, one juror saying he wanted to see the proximity to the house and the feed and the kennel areas, and to see if it was possible to see the house, and she saw when she was there that that was in fact, true, and of course the other big piece of evidence was the snapchat video that murdaugh's late son paul filmed, and what was caught on the video was murdaugh's voice there in their area minutes before the murders occurred. a number of jurors saying that that was really the part that sealed his fate. as for that emotional testimony, i want to play a bit more about what the jurors had to say about that. >> did you believe his tears, did you think he was crying. some other jurors were saying they didn't buy it. you're shaking your head. >> i don't think he was crying. he turned it on and off. it wasn't genuine. >> do you think he hurt himself by taking the stand, did he make it worse?

>> i think he did. >> why? >> i just think that we already know he's a lawyer. he's able to be emotional with cases. he's able to be emotional with himself. he knows, like she said, when to turn it on and off. i think we were able to read right through that. >> reporter: and after hearing all of that evidence and that testimony, we know that once in that deliberation room, it took around 45 minutes to get all 12 of those jurors to that unanimous guilty verdict, which has brought us here today at the kirkland correctional facility, where alec murdaugh is currently being held. he's expected to be here around 30 to 45 days as he undergoes medical tests, mental health evaluations, education assessments and all of that information will be used to determine what maximum security prison he will ultimately be assigned to to serve out the remainder of his days. >> priscilla thompson, thank you for that, and the coverage throughout. and nbc news propublica information is painting new light on a painful history in

california. where a native tribe says uc berkeley is dragging its feet on repatrioting ancestral remains of 9,000 native americans. nearly three decades after congress ordered them to be referred, activists fear many could be lost forever. nbc dasha burns takes us inside the tribe's fight to guess their ancestors back. >> it's like a horror movie. >> thousand-year-old native american remains, revealing decades by a powerful institution, and an investigation by nbc news and propublica. >> i think if we seen a movie where people were digging up graves today, what would we think, would we allow it now for the sake of science and research? i don't think so. it's illegal. >> reporter: the university of california berkeley's hurst museum is currently housing about 9,000 indigenous remains. >> they wanted to emulate the

smithsonian and harvard and the british museum, and they created archaeology and anthropology program that got into the business of plundering native grave sites. >> we're talking about returning our ancestors home stolen from their graves as long ago as the late 1900s. >> when they finally arrived to claim the bodies of their ancestors, we found them in rows of shelves at times, the schools separate from the rest of the body. >> what was it like to see your ancestors in bins, on shelves, scattered about. >> it was horrific. i can't believe that that practice ever existed. to go out and unearth human remains, to take them back to a lab, or to a higher education institution or museum for them to evaluate. >> but the tribe's battle with

berkeley didn't end there. after their 1400 ancestors were returned to them in 2018, the tribe later learned that others had been left behind. uc berkeley notifying the chumash people, 6 more remains were found in a lab. they declined an interview with propublica but acknowledged it had mishandled its repatriation responsibilities saying the campus privileged some kinds of scientific and scholarly evidence over tribal interests and evidence provided by tribes. uc berkeley, a powerful progressive institution reckoning with its past. >> berkeley has learned how to talk the talk of repatriation but is still resisting actual native american human remains repatriation, and they need to be sanctioned. >> the chumash say this fight is far from over. >> you know, native americans have been oppressed and put on

reservations and often told what to do. knowing the fight my ancestors had to have, the fight that my grandmother had, my mother had, and now the fight that we have as the next generation. >> and now you're fighting for them. >> now we're fighting for them, yes. >> dasha burns reporting for us in partnership with pro publy ka. we have inspiring news to end the hour. the notre dame cathedral is set to open december 2024 in time to celebrate christmas mass. crews are on track reconstructing the 12th century gothic monument after the devastating fire. it will not be open in time for the 2024 summer olympics but the 315 foot spire should return to the skyline in time for the opening ceremony. that does it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday on msnbc.

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