goes forward and is passed in the house and, of course, the senate leader and versus what he is proposing. he'll be able to take that to 2024 and create a contrast between him and republicans in terms of what is ultimately laid out. >> that debt ceiling fight likely won't come to a head until the deadline looming later this summer. white house reporter for "bloomberg," akayla, thank you for helping us out. thanks for getting up "way too early" this tuesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. >> i can tell you, in four years, you didn't see our administration leaking like a sieve. you didn't see a lot of drama or palace intrigue. what you saw was surgical precision execution day after day after day. >> ron desantis takes a dig at the trump administration during his latest stop on his book tour. the florida governor and the former president are the

frontrunners for the 2024 republican nomination, even though only one of them is officially in the race. ahead, a veteran gop strategist explains why desantis is stealing some of trump's thunder. meanwhile, election deniers are celebrating after three states pulled out of a program to protect voter rolls with two more states considering joining them. we'll explain this latest development. plus, we'll go through the changes norfolk southern is making following the derailment of two of its trains in ohio. and we'll ask transportation secretary pete buttigieg about the federal response to the disaster and how to prevent another one from happening when he joins us later this morning. and good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is tuesday, march 7th. we are live in abu dhabi, the crossroads of the world. it truly is, with our 30/50

summit, "forbes" and know your value has come together to create an incredible, cross-cultural, multi-generational summit that, really, the lineup, joe, is just the beginning. editor of "forbes" is with us this morning. we're going to be talking a little later in the be block about the summit. really quickly, our lineup is remarkable, but the experience the women here are getting, getting linked up to mentor or cut deals is incredible. >> congratulations to you. we talked about the gategreates gathering of women leaders. >> it is. >> the lineup is mind-boggling. they're touring abu dhabi as we speak. there's a networking group happening right now behind us. it's already starting. it is three days that, you know, i think will change the word. >> it really is remarkable. it is remarkable, as you said, mika, that it is happening here at what has become the crossroads of the world. this is my second time here in the past six months, and i cannot believe, first of all,

the building. i can't believe the number of places that people are coming from all over the world, coming here. you actually see that in this conference. you just spoke to a delegation from poland. >> mm-hmm. >> you spoke to other delegations today. tomorrow, of course, we're going to be talking to hillary clinton, and it is going to be an extraordinary day of women from how many different countries? >> 50 different countries, over 500 women. overbooked but that's okay. we're figuring it out. of course, tomorrow at 7:00 eastern right here on "morning joe," a "morning joe" exclusive, we'll have on stage with us hillary clinton, billie jean king, gloria steinem. we'll hear from the first lady of ukraine, olena zelenska. women who are changing the world and will change the world. it's an incredible time, on international women's day, to have this group of women, especially since, in america,

our daughters have less rights than we did in this generation. what an interesting time to be talking about women's rights and women lifting each other up around the world at a time when the united states is falling short in some ways some would argue. and how do we lead given that new dynamic? >> right. certainly, willie, it is fascinating, you look at these women who have made such a huge difference through the decades, over generations. you look at hillary clinton, of course, gloria steinem, billie jean king, all these others who worked and have worked for the past 50 years to advance the rights of women, not only in the united states but also around the world. many parents looking at their daughters, grandmothers looking at their granddaughters, and thinking, how can this be?

these women had more rights than their daughters or granddaughters have. >> it is extraordinary to look at the list of women who were there with you in abu dhabi and kind of see the arc of women's rights over a half century. you mentioned billie jean king. you mentioned gloria steinem. of course, secretary clinton. all the way through to malala and modern day activists, modern day feminists. we get to know some of these people individually over the years and see them in certain places, but rarely, if ever, have we seen them all in one place. can't wait to see the conversation you'll have, mika, tomorrow with a bunch of them on one stage. i'm not sure we've ever seen that before. >> yes. i know, wish me luck. i'm sweating a little bit, but we'll make it happen. along with joe, willie and me, we'll talk with kand randle a l later, the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. and communications to president obama, jennifer palmieri.

from "the washington post," eugene washington is with us. let's get right to the news with veteran gop strategist karl rove responding to former president trump's criticism of him and other republicans during his cpac address. here's what trump said followed by rove's response. >> we will liberate america from these villains and scoundrels once and for all. when we began this journey, something like never before. we had a party ruled by freaks, globalists, open border zealots and fools. but we are never going back to the party of paul ryan, karl rove and jeb bush. >> the president did name check me. i was happy to be named in the middle of paul ryan and jeb bush. but, you know, i think the

president's speech was a good one but not a great one. he has, as, you know -- he's now begun to emphasize issues, but some are weird. building ten new cities around america and having people elect school principals didn't strike me as fanciful ideas. but at least he was talking mostly, not entirely, but mostly about the future. we did have the recitation that he'd actually won the 2020 election and that he'd won it by a lot, which i think people are over that. move on. you didn't win the election. you aren't president of the united states. stay focused on future. desantis is laying the predicate for a presidential campaign. he's not running for president yet. he understands that people need to know more about him. i thought his speech in california, and from what i heard the speeches in dallas and houston, where he spoke to record-breaking audiences for the republican county fundraising dinners, are all aimed at helping deepen people's understanding of who he is. i think it's a smart move.

it is preliminary to becoming a presidential candidate. >> i mean, willie, i mean, talk about defining -- i won't say deviancy. by to say, oh, at least he started to talk about the issues. i mean, he's basically declaring war on anybody who didn't vote for him. he is still lying about losing the election. you now have members of congress who are going out talking about liberating those poor, poor victims, in their minds, of people who actually stormed the capitol on january 6th. so now, they're calling them political prisoners. this is a really screwed up, twisted reality, and to try to gloss over it, which some establishment republicans tried to do, and go, well, you know, at least he's starting to talk about the issues, to say that's unfortunate, well, that's a bit

of an understatement. really, i mean, trump's message top to bottom was sick. again, it was all-out warfare on anybody who didn't vote for him, or people who voted for him who still won't follow him with the lie that led to the riots on january the 6th. >> the line that will be remembered from the speech is "i am your retribution. i am your payback. "to say he's been graded on a curve is saying it mildly. i wish i was graded in school by how some analysts grade donald trump. karl rove has backed ron desantis already, and he's not even in the race. there's always been the divide between the bush family and donald trump, even before 2016. paul speaker -- excuse me, paul ryan was also mentioned there, the former house speaker dismissing trump's chances again of winning the gop presidential nomination. he was asked about the race during the interview with "new

york times" magazine. he said, previously, the primary field needs to stay small to prevent a split, a vote that favors the former president. quote, i don't think you can prevent people from getting in the race. what the party donors and influencers can do is whittle the field down faster. 6% in iowa. 8% in new hampshire. get out of the race. i don't think trump is going to get the nomination, said ryan. the whole reason is he is unelectable. even most of maga knows this. we're far better with x person. gene robinson, who is x person? nikki haley is in the race. ron desantis is a theoretical choice at the moment. he's barnstorming the country on this book tour that looks a lot like a presidential campaign. who is person x? given the crowd, though not as large in the past, enthusiastic for donald trump,

and he leads every poll in the party, who is person x paul ryan is talking about? >> i have no idea. i don't think we have seen person x yet. certainly, desantis, when he gets into the race, we'll see if he, you know, has the juice to actually go up against trump. nikki haley, i don't think, is person x. then who else is willing to step forward? i mean, what karl rove is doing, what others are doing, patronizing trump, "oh, isn't he cute? he's not great. he was okay, but he's the past." why are they doing this? don't they understand that if you're going to not have donald trump as your nominee, you'd better take him down. you better go after him. because he is out there running for president. yes, cpac was kind of sad and

weird this year, but, in fact, he was there. that's his crowd. you've got to take them away from him if you're going to be the nominee. i don't see anybody doing that. >> joe, it's not just karl rove who talks about donald trump like that. it's people running against him in the race who say, "well, he did a lot of good things. i don't want to criticize the former president." if you're not going to go after the guy you're running against, why are you in the race? >> but you talk to the republican establishment, and you talk to them behind the scenes. and they still will say, "well, of course, if he's the nominee, we have to support him because joe biden, god, joe biden, a socialist." when you have donald trump -- again, they're acting like this is any other year. they're acting like this is 2012, like this is 2004. >> back to the carnage speech. >> you have a guy, you have a guy who is talking about -- calling people villains who didn't vote for him, saying, "i am your retribution."

that is not stirring up violence? he already stirred up violence on january the 6th. it's been one fascist talking point after another fascist talking point through the years. this is fascism. you can't round off the curves and try to make it look pretty. it ain't gonna look pretty. i am your retribution? i am your ret -- i've got a question. is trump the retribution for losing in '22 or '21? is he the retribution for losing in '20 or '19 or '18? is he their retribution for -- like, seriously. this is, like, a guy who you think is going to go up and dunk the basketball, shatter the backboard. he stumbles, and he can't even make a layup. "just call me retribution." no, you're a loser. you keep losing elections. yet, he pitches himself, jen, as

"i am your retribution. they are the villains." donald trump doesn't understand today what he didn't understand from the very start. that is, politics is a game of addition. early on, i tried to talk to people in his cabinet, said, "listen, this is simple. politics is a game of addition. you want more people on your side. you don't want to go attacking everybody and turning them off. you guys need to be more inclusive. you need to open up. you need to try to get 50% plus one." it's a message he still doesn't -- why do i say this? >> you say this every morning. >> i don't say this, jen, because i'm -- it's the right thing to do, even though it is. i say this because they're going to lose again. if they get behind this guy, they're going -- they keep losing. they're going, why do we keep -- i'll tell you why you keep losing. politics is a game of addition,

and trump is still in the business of subtracting every single day. >> i was at cpac. i met one person who had not been there before. it did feel a little diminished. the room didn't feel quite as big. the energy wasn't there. but, still, when i talked to people about, you know, "are you concerned about having president trump run again, be the nominee again, given all the losses, the losses in '22, the loss in '20, '20,"and they say no. they like desantis, but they think they can have it all. they can have trump in '24. they can keep ron desantis in florida. desantis can run in '28. they think all of this can work out because they believe their conspiracy theories. you know, all through the weekend at cpac, i felt like the, you know, the cpac-ers

themselves are bumping into their own conspiracy theories. kari lake came out on the top as the number one pick to be his running mate. her team said she can't because the governor of arizona can't also run for vice president. so, like, that is the kind of reality that they are living in. >> yeah. kari lake won. nikki haley was the one other candidate who showed up, or the one other potential candidate they all ran away from cpac. she made a speech. was booed at times. went into the hallway, was surrounded by people chanting "trump 2024" and chased into an elevator. that's how that goes for opponents of donald trump there. john, there is a new piece titled "donald trump's recipe for electoral failure" by charles cooke. increasingly, trump likes to point to paul ryan, karl rove, jeb bush, and even ronald reagan as examples of what has

historically been wrong with the gop, as well as a warning for what it could become again if any other candidates prevail in 2024. jeb bush was probably the best governor in the history of florida, and the reforms made during his tenure are the primary reason why the state has become as attractive as it has to conservatives of all ages. paul ryan's record is equally as solid. for the deployment of the reagan republican as an insult? the world is upside down. despite it not working, trump continues to behave the way he does. when he attempted to compete in an american election, he's proved himself to be a bewildering loser. ronald reagan won twice, including winning 49 states once, to remind viewers. >> it is remarkable how little has changed since 2020.

the republican party is in the exact same place, except everything is smaller. cpac is diminished. they come off a disappointing 2022 midterms. this was a moment when a lot of the party did, for the first time, blame donald trump and say, "you're the reason why we took the losses." didn't hold january 6th, helsinki, children in cages at the border, or charlottesville against him, but they held this against him. it wasn't enough to finish him off. a portion of the republican party still remains firm. now, that portion has shrunk, but it might still be big enough. at this moment, we would say he is favored to still be the republican nominee in 2024. i'm sure, at this moment, the anti-trump forces seem to be coalescing around desantis. desantis is not a declared candidate. he's not been nationally vetted. there's no real sense, whether or not voters as they get to

know him will actually like him at the guy. he's being propped up by fox news, which is interesting. but the bigger the field, the better for trump. if the one takeaway we can have from cpac, despite the darkness of his speech, is his base is still there. that might be enough to get him the republican nomination, though almost certainly not enough to win in the general in 2024. >> way ahead in the primary polls. governor desantis has his state of the state speech later today in tallahassee. he also has an event in the next couple day it is in alabama, which we're told had to be moved to a larger venue because there's such demand for tickets there. >> interesting. >> no doubt about the fact that he is a draw out there. he went to the reagan library. very interesting speech, in that it was coherent, which is certainly something you can't usually say about donald trump.

yet, at times, wooden, stiff. even when he walked off stage, it was -- i've never really seen a politician walk off stage for an address like that, and the voice of god comes overhead and says, "everybody please stay seated until the speaker has left." i mean, he still has some things to work out in his delivery. >> it's early. it's early. >> yeah, sometimes -- >> it's hard. >> sometimes early tells you how it is going to be. i'm not sure -- >> come on. >> -- if we're there yet or not. >> we shall see. >> we'll see -- watch this segue. i've been doing it for a while. let's see if he eventually throws his hat in the ring. one man who won't be throwing his hat in the ring, it's firmly fixed upon his head. boom! >> just terrible. >> oh. >> randle lane is here. >> yes. >> you guy, i look over you, and there are so many skyscrapers

behind you. >> unbelievable. >> they weren't here when we were here six months ago. this is an extraordinary -- again, we talked about crossroads of the world. i can't believe the growth. even from when i saw you here six months ago. >> literally month to month. when you talk about boom town, this is it. it's a boom town. obviously, it's a boomtown because of oil, but it is becoming a boomtown because of trade. this is a country that figured out that, long term, having low taxes, free trade, is a recipe for growth. that's why this is a great place to come here. a, logistically, you can get here, nonstop flight from anywhere in the world, but spirituality, this is a place where the whole world comes through, passes through, right around there. >> one other quick thing about oil. you brought up oil. they understand. they project maybe they have two decades, 25 years worth of oil

left. so you don't actually see it when you talk to people here. >> yes. >> but they're in a race against time. that's why they're moving so fast to diversify, to look to alternative fuel sources. they're trying everything. >> they understand that, and it is also why we're here with the women's summit. listen, the easy thing to do is to do women's summit somewhere, you know, in western europe, somewhere that has been established for decades. this is a larger region that's behind globally, but the country in the region is leading. it's leading with tolerance and openness. that's why you see the growth. it's a mindset. this is a country that's a role model for a region that we're here to lean into. we can't ignore this. we have to be here and accelerate this. you know, again, that's why it's a perfect place. >> the region faces challenges, for sure, which i love that you went to the why abu dhabi question.

30/50 summit has 500 women, maybe more, from 50 different countries. >> every minute is more. >> they keep coming. it's great. we have some incredible speakers. talk a little bit about the goal of the summit, which i think you touched on. we're really taking mentoring and cross cultural connections to a whole new level. >> hence the name 30/50 summit. the 50 over 50 list and the "forbes" 30 under 30 list. it's the younger generation and older generations mentoring each other. it's not just older mentoring the younger. you know, women in their 20s can teach amazing leaders about technology, about what's going on, a.i., about thinking differently. >> absolutely. >> it's a two-way mentorship. we have a two-way mentorship on thursday. in fact, the entire day is devoted to teaching and learning, mentoring each other. then it is mentoring the entire world. we're making videos so it is not just an event for 600, 700 people, but it can impact the whole world. the leaders here are making

videos that, across international women's day tomorrow, will span across the world, be shot out across the world to mentor everybody. this is, tomorrow, a beacon on a day that's always been a hashtag for actually doing something. >> mika, tell me, what are you most excited about? the next couple days are going to be coming at you 100 miles an hour. what are you most excited about? >> well, i'm excited about talking to the younger generations. i'm excited about what we've learned creating the 50 over 50 list and how it immediately went global. we had 10,000 submissions for the very first one, and even women aged 49 who we had to say, no, no, no, you're lining up, lady. but the list and the people we've discovered and immediately going global, so many of them around the world who are here today, here for the three days, here to hear our iconic conversation with the legends of all time when it comes to women's rights and women's issues. but to hear from them. because what they tell the younger generations is that we have arrived.

we're not just trying to get there. we have arrived. we have paved a long runway for you, the younger generation. i love talking to younger women, giving them advice, but also telling them they can slow down, you know? maybe actually take a moment, be mindful and experience what they're going through so they can really retain what they're learning. that's the difference from when i started in my career. >> right. >> when i even started doing know your value events, i was rushing through them and telling them to hurry up. now, my message is slow down. >> i mean, you look just politically. you look at the woman who signs the dollar bills in the united states, janet yellen. you look at the head of the eu. >> around the world. >> you look at christine lagarde. again, the most powerful women in the world are women well over 50, and they're just now, in many cases, coming into their

own. >> you're seeing it also, i mean, look what's going on in washington. you look at nancy pelosi, what she's done the last few decades, the last few years for sure. >> she was on our first list. >> absolutely. what you see when you go down in the robby here are smiles. >> yes. >> everyone is smiling. that's what strikes me as different from most events i go to. everyone is smiling and a pleasure to be here because they are slowing down. they're learning from each other. they are appreciating, especially the older women, that this is a place and a time this week where they are being celebrated. >> randall, they're a part of this. every single woman here is a part of this, opposed to going to an event and going, huh, i'll never get. they are a part of this, and they are being scooped up into incredible, cross-cultural, cross-generational relationships. randall lane, thank you very much. as we've said, we have some really special guests with us throughout the week. go to knowyourvalue.com or forbes.com for continuing coverage of the 30/50 summit.

i'll also be posting a lot on social. in addition to the women randall and i spoke about, many more incredible women will be taking to the stage, including jessica alaba, ayesha curry, catherine o'ha o'hara, misty copeland and many, many more. >> amazing. >> tomorrow on international women's day, i will co-moderate an iconic conversation with hillary clinton. as we speak, we'll hear from ukrainian first lady olena zelenska, and billie jean king and gloria steinem. that's tomorrow, live on "morning joe," exclusively at 7:00 a.m. eastern. really look forward to the iconic conversation tomorrow. randall, thank you. >> amazing. still ahead on "morning joe," what we're learning this morning about the search for four americans kidnapped by gunman in mexico. plus, norfolk southern is out with a new safety plan following a series of train derailments. we'll talk to transportation secretary pete buttigieg about that. also ahead, former

republican governor larry hogan is our guest after announcing he won't be making a run for the white house in 2024. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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improvement of hot baring detecters on the tracks. the preliminary report in the east palestine crash cited an overheated baring as a cause. the crew should have been notified earlier. the plan doesn't include the changes the biden administration has been calling for, such as upgrading to a faster braking system and paying workers sick leave. all this comes just days before norfolk southern ceo alan shaw is set to testify before the senate environmentcommittee. we'll have more when we hear from pete buttigieg, transportation secretary, later on "morning joe." meanwhile, pressure is mounting for president biden to visit the derailment site in east palestine. he told reporters he intends to go, but there is no trip in the works at the moment. a senior white house official told nbc news, quote, when or if the president should go is, of course, a question we would talk about, but i don't think this is something we've been agonizing over in real time. the white house says biden has not yet visited because he doesn't want to detract from cleanup efforts.

we've been talking about this for weeks now. is the president going to go? should the president go, all of that. is there something in the works? does the white house feel any obligation to be there at this point? >> at this moment, there have only been preliminary conversations. the president is not going this week. the schedule has nothing on there for a trip to ohio. aides are still considering going there. in the early days, you don't want the president or major principal to go. he travels with such security apparatus, it would be a distraction and slow things down. but it's been a month. there's a way now for him to go. the political pressure has mounted, not just from republicans. we did see donald trump go. we've seen republicans make some sort of absurd claims about the president's priorities, opposed to going to ohio, saying he shouldn't have gone to kyiv. instead, he should have gone to east palestine. there's a way the go both. that's what democrats started to say, too. it's just the politically smart thing to do, to go, to -- he is so good at empathy.

he is able to be there, relate to the people there, a lot of working class folks. maybe not a lot of biden voters, but it shouldn't matter. i think the white house will give the okay for him to make this trip, but it is not going yet. until he does, the questions will just mount. >> jen, the epa has been on the ground from the beginning. the administrator has been there several times. secretary buttigieg has been there, as well. you've been saying the president should figure out a way to get there. how important is this that president biden visit east palestine? >> the most important thing is the responsibility of the federal government to deal with -- to understand what happened there, d.o.t. is doing that, to deal with the safety issues around the toxins and air and water, epa is doing that. then there is the leadership that comes from the president of the united states, showing concern for the american people. i understand that in this part of ohio, you're unlikely to find a lot of biden supporters.

that doesn't matter when you're dealing with -- when you're dealing with a crisis like this. we're dealing with a tragedy like this. eventually, the president, you know -- i know the president said himself he'd go, and eventually they will. it is irksome for the white house. you have these kinds of situations where you're doing the work, right? the federal government is doing the work of what needs to happen there. you're getting grief on the politics. you know when you address the politics, when biden actually does go, you will still get criticized about something else. that's the nature of the job. at some point, he should go, some point he will go. it won't limit -- i don't know he'll get a lot of political gain, but that's not the point. the point is to show the president of the united states cares. >> yeah. >> i think the administration, in general, is doing a good job. i know you'll have secretary buttigieg come on later, talk about rail safety in general. this is not just a problem for

east palestine. there was another derailment over the weekend in ohio. it's a problem for any community that has these kinds of materials going through their communities. it's also why the administration, from the political perspective, should widen the aperture and talk about safety in general. >> there is the symbolism of the visit, but more importantly, there is a question of why this keeps happening and the danger it poses to the communities. up next, amid the fighting in ukraine, china is pushing back against american warnings not to arm russia. richard haass joins us next to discuss where things stand. "morning joe" is coming back in a moment. we must finally hold social media companies accountable. it's time to pass bipartisan legislation to stop big tech from collecting personal data on our kids and teenagers online. ban targeted advertising to children. introducing new sweet and savory crepes.

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the battle rages on in bakhmut today. ukrainian and russian forces continue to fight within and around the city which has been ruined by the fighting. in the midst of a siege by

russian forces, ukraine's top generals say yesterday, the plan was to bolster the city rather than retreat. the city is weakening. now, ukraine will try to stall russian forces through the battle of attrition before a planned down attack. meanwhile, china's foreign minister is defending possible military support for russia suggesting the united states is being hypocritical. the accusations stem from the military aid the u.s. provides to taiwan, which china does not recognize as a sovereign nation. the foreign minister did deny china has provided any weapons to the russian army. u.s. officials have been warning for weeks now that intelligence gained from russian officials indicates china is considering arming russian forces in joining us now, richard haass, the author of the new book titled "the bill of obligations, the ten habits of good citizens." not just a book but a best

seller. richard, good to see you, my friend. >> morning. >> let's start with china. president xi gave a speech yesterday, going after, criticizing the united states, saying it's kind of orchestrating this worldwide effort to suppress, i think does the word. >> used the containment word. >> exactly. what are we seeing play out with russia at the center and the united states and china on opposite sides? >> when kissinger and nixon were making american foreign policy, you had the triangle of the three great countries. get the united states and china on one side against the soviet union. now, china and russia is teaming up against the united states. i think china made a strategic decision, that they'll do what they have to do to make sure mr. putin doesn't lose. it is significant. we're having this debate about arming ukraine, should we give them f-16s, all the tanks? my guess is china might quietly try to offset what it is we do. the idea that we have some decisive options to transform the battlefield, i would guess not. i don't think china is prepared

to let that happen. >> what does the united states do if china does, in fact, start to arm russia openly, giving them weapons and clearly taking a side in the war, when we said that's a red line for us. what does that mean? >> my guess is they're transferring dual use equipment. semiconductors can be used for lots of purposes. my guess is they're also probably routing arms around third countries, so they're trans shipped rather than direct shipped. we try to get sanctions. a lot of it will be more u.s. sanctions, but there's not a lot left. the chinese probably calculated, let me see. you kept the tariffs in place. you're already restricting the flows of technology to us. you're already restricting our access to the united states for anything. i think they've almost said, hey, not a lot more they can do to us. i think they're a little worried about european sanctions, but the europeans in many cases are so committed to access to the chinese market, the chinese probably think that whatever price they pay would be modest. i don't see xi jinping, who so hitched his wagon to vladimir

putin, and yesterday the foreign minister doubled down on it, i don't see them allowing the russians to come out badly here. >> let's talk about the influence or lack thereof washington might have with kyiv. secretary austin suggested bakhmut is not a significant city. read between the lines, he suggested maybe this is the best use of resources. zelenskyy said they're all in. there is a fear if they exhaust their resources here, in a city without much significance, it'll hurt their ability to launch a counteroffensive down the road. the administration has tried to signal to ukraine, crimea shouldn't be part of your counteroffensive. talk about the relationship the longer the war goes on. >> the battle is going on, and it's become almost more psychological, almost a metaphor. you don't want to destroy ukraine to save it.

the u.s. is really woried about the effort that's going in here. more broadly, jonathan, you're on to a big issue. we talked about the united states and china. the united states and russia. there are classic relationships between foes or competitors. we have a playbook for that. in foreign policy, the most complicated relations are often between friends, where you agree. how do you disagree? think about the united states and israel over the years or the u.s. and pakistan over the years or the u.s. and south vietnam back when we were with them. i think the u.s.-ukraine relationship is really complicated. you have some of the big ones. how do they spend the resources? crimea, yes, crimea should be part of ukraine, but do you try to liberate it militarily? is that feasible? is that necessary at this point? i actually think, sooner or later, there's going to be real friction between the united states and ukraine. we kind of finessed it up until now. we keep saying, whatever they want. they set the war aims.

i don't think that's viable. when does the united states allow a partner to set the aims of american foreign policy? i think we're moving toward uncomfortable conversations. >> richard, gene robinson has one for you from washington. gene? >> richard, you've said that you think xi's aim is that russia not lose this war, but that's not the same thing as russia winning the war. do you think xi has an end game in mind, an end situation in mind that would be satisfactory to china, that would allow russia, perhaps, to save face, but that would be short of the investment of material, money and everything else that would be required to prop russia up to actually win the war? >> it's a good question. look, this is not the most important issue to china. you know, what china really cares about, besides their domestic situation, is taiwan. that's really what they're focused on. so i think here, you know, he's made a personal commitment to

putin. he's put his prestige a little on the line with his no limits agreement of just over a year ago. i don't think the chinese mind the u.s. readiness is being diminished. so much of our military stocks are going to ukraine, so they, therefore, wouldn't be available if there ever were a taiwan conflict. but i think china would prefer not to cross lines and not to become the target of a new u.s./european campaign. my view is they'll do as much as they have to but not more. they don't need russia to win. they simply don't want putin to be humiliated and the united states and their allies to have a major victory. they're buying oil. they're shipping dual-use equipment, and they'll probably, one way or another, give military stuff if they have to. they're not looking to make ukraine the centerpiece of u.s.-china relations. their focus is on their part of the world. again, taiwan, one good piece of news there, just to say, i thought it was interesting the new speaker decided he wouldn't

do what speaker pelosi did. he is not going to taiwan. i think if that had happened, it would have been a major flare-up in tensions. instead, taiwan's president tsai is coming to the united states later this month. it looks like the new speaker will meet with her here in the united states. that might be something of a bullet dodged. not a lot of pieces of good news in this most important relationship, but just possibly that's a little bit of a bullet dodged. >> richard, the most important question for last, the knicks have won nine games in a row. is this finally, after 51 years of waiting, our year. >> no. but we are heading in the right direction, willie. keep faith alive. >> yes, i agree on both points. no but we're headed in the right direction. >> legit playoff team this year. they'll win a round, make some noise. >> i have a question for you. dimes? >> sign him. >> big day. >> he'll make a lot of money today, danny dimes. richard, thanks so much. good to see you. still ahead, a look at the must-read opinion pages.

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beautiful live picture at 6:53 in the morning. downtown manhattan, looking from the top of our building. to the nfl offseason. some stuff brewing here. the first major free agent signing, the new orleans saints have a new quarterback under center. the team offered a four-year deal to former raiders quarterback derek carr. sources say the deal is worth $150 million with $100 million in guaranteed money. also includes a no trade clause. meanwhile, the seattle seahawks sticking with quarterback geno smith. had a great season last year. the nfl comeback player of the year, as a matter of fact. he is staying put with a

three-year, $105 million deal, front-loaded with $52 million for geno smith next year. amazing. he had a great year. he was the jets backup couple years ago. making 52 next year. good for him. this opens the door in los angeles. we knew the door was open, but it's official, derek carr is gone. aaron rodgers, is he going to stay in green bay? is he going to vegas, maybe come to the jets? what are we thinking? >> rodgers exited a darkness retreat. four days, he went to the woods in oregon, holed up in a cabin and didn't have interaction with another human being or see any light. i'm being serious. this is what he just did. he has emerged and said, like the groundhog coming out, he'll make his pronouncement soon as to what he wants to do. there is a sense he is going to finally leave green bay. he flirted with this for a few years, but this might be the year he finally goes. these are the choices, jets or raiders. if he goes to las vegas, we can be reunited with adams.

tough division and conference. if he comes here, he'd be retracing the steps of another packers legend, brett favre, who also went to the jets though found more success later with the vikings. i wonder how rodgers will handle the new york media, the fishbowl environment. it is different from what we experienced before. his quirky beliefs may not play well. he also had a down season last year. a lot of jets fans, though, are desperate for a qb. they have a team they think is built to win now. rodgers an upgrade to what they had. >> tabloids of new york saying they need to get aaron rodgers. we'll see if they get their man. coming up, what we're learning about the search of four americans kidnapped in mexico. we'll have a live report when we come right back. ight back.

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is the president annoyed, frustrated with marianne williamson for jumping in the race ahead of him? did he want a clear field to run against the republican nominee

in 2024. >> just not tracking that. if i had a -- what is it called -- a little globe here. >> crystal ball. >> crystal ball, i could tell you. magic 8 ball, whatever. if i could feel her aura, i just don't have it here. i don't have anything to share on that. >> wow. white house press secretary karine jean-pierre making light of marianne williamson's 2024 campaign. meanwhile, it's a two-man race for the republican nomination. there are signs that ron desantis might be picking up some momentum. >> just a little bit. >> on capitol hill, president joe biden's budget proposal is going to have both parties drawing battle lines, and it comes as white house and republicans are still at odds over the debt ceiling. also ahead, we'll have a live report from texas following the ambush and kidnapping of four americans who crossed the southern border into mexico, reportedly for health reasons. we'll be covering that story. welcome back to "morning

joe." it is tuesday, march 7th. you know, mika, i'm not in pensacola anymore. >> no, you're not, although the beaches are as beautiful, probably a lot more beautiful here in abu dhabi. >> wait, wait, no, no, hold on a second. >> whoa, whoa. >> beaches aren't more beautiful -- >> they are. >> -- anywhere than they are -- i'm serious -- pensacola beach. >> no. >> down to destin. i'm serious. >> i'm sorry, that's gorgeous. >> the beaches are nice. >> i'll post some pictures. >> as you know, mika has run along pensacola beach. >> almost died of heatstroke. >> i told her, you can't do this. she said, "oh, i've run in morocco." i said, "this ain't morocco. this is northwest florida." but, willie, it is gorgeous here. the beach, the water, everything is beautiful here. we're going to circle back to that in a second. i just have to say, i got to talk sports for a second, geno

smith, listen. i was happy for him last year. >> yeah. >> i was like, hey, really good. geno is having this second act. but $105 million front loaded? >> hello. >> that's insane. almost as insane as having aaron rodgers in the new york market. listen, first super bowl i remember was super bowl iii. i adored joe namath. i always, after the falcons lose the first 17 games of the year, i go, "come on, jets." then they break my heart. but this guy has a different conspiracy theory every day. the chinese balloon, like, he went out and said, "oh, you know, they're just doing that to distract from jeffrey epstein's list and a lot of other things."

he has a different conspiracy theory every day. i'm dead serious here, like, the new york media market would eat him alive. even if you're a jets fan, willie, i don't think that one is going to work. >> no, he's never seen a swarm of media like he'd see around that locker room. i guess the question is, what's left for them? on the geno smith question, he had a great, great year last year. but he didn't have a lot of great years before that. the question is, can he repeat what he did? he was awesome last year. went to the pro bowl. $52 million up front guaranteed, that's like more than tom brady made in a season. it's wild. on the last point, joe, the beaches of the florida panhandle, without compare, pcb, destin, pensacola beach, it's like flour, deep and wide, like sand you've never seen in the world. it's incredible. >> it's unbelievable. from sea grove all the way to pensacola, yeah. the best in the world.

i will say, though, it is absolutely beautiful here. the beaches are gorgeous here. the water is gorgeous here, as well. and it's about as warm as the gulf coast, too, when you're swimming. one other sports thing before we go actually get to news. doesn't matter where i am across the world, i'm going to talk sports. mike, really a close call yesterday for boston. turner got hammered with a horrible pitch. his wife says he is doing okay. >> yeah. justin turner, new to the red sox, struck in the left side of the face with a fastball. >> oh, my gosh. >> slight concussion, a lot of skin damage, 13 stitches. he should be up and around, maybe back in the lineup in a couple of weeks. yeah, that's a tough way to start spring training, joe. he'll be there. he'll be there on opening day. >> no doubt about it. yeah, he'll be there. he's a tough guy, but i'll tell ya what, for those of us who played football growing up and

said, maybe we'll just have our sons, daughters play baseball or softball, like, i mean, that's a tough sport, too, mika. >> yeah, no, it's scary. really is. jonathan lemire, jen palmieri and eugene robinson are still with us. joining the conversation, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, as you just saw. and the ceo of the messina group, jim messina. served as deputy chief of staff to president obama and ran his 2012 re-election campaign. in just a few minutes, we'll be talking here in abu dhabi with symone sanders townsend about the 30/50 summit. this is becoming the global capital of international women's day. we're going to talk a little bit about exactly why. first, let's get to the news. election deniers are claiming victory this morning after three more republican-led states announced they're pulling out of a national bipartisan program that helps protect against voter fraud. >> i mean, it's backwards.

you see, everything is backwards. a guy says "i am your retribution" who loses elections year after year after year, and now election deniers are actually celebrating making elections less secure. >> election officials in florida, missouri and west virginia informed the electronic registration information center, known as e.r.i.c., they are withdrawing from the group. it is a small consortium of 30 states that helped keep voter rolls update and had free of opportunities for fraud. the organization requires member states to share data with one another from their voter registration rolls and motor vehicle records. it reports and helps states to identify and prosecute people who vote in multiple states. right-wing critics have stepped up their attacks against e.r.i.c. following former

president donald trump's false claims of voter fraud after the 2020 election. supporters of e.r.i.c. say if the program collapses, the country would lose a powerful tool in protecting against ballot fraud, just as states start preparing for the 2024 elections. >> all right. listen, you know, mike barnicle, i absolutely hate, i really do, i hate talking about other networks. there's a lot we could talk about with other networks. but you can't tell this story without at least briefly touching on "the new york times" story that took us behind the scenes at fox news. having people at fox news fired because they were so accurate analyzing the data. and then having people inside that network go, well, maybe our system that's state of the art, that's cutting edge, that

allowed us to pick the winners of these states ahead of everybody else, well, maybe it's too good because it put us in a bad position. >> hurt business. >> because people that watch our network on election nigh -- their words, not mine. it is insulting to their viewers to say this about them. they go, they don't really want to know the truth. they want to hear things that make them feel good. here, you actually have a network moving away from a system that was cutting edge, helped them call arizona first, other states first, because it was too accurate. now, you have states that are doing the same thing on a much larger, more important scale, saying, we don't want to be a part of this system. it's too accurate. it will follow the election results and be too accurate.

they don't want accurate elections. they don't want free elections. this is their post-truth world that they want to move to. >> joe, their business model is clearly ratings and revenue over facts and truth in the news. that's just the facts. they prove it each and every day. they're still proving it, as you know, even over there in abu dhabi. i'm sure the word has reached you that last night, think just last night on that network, they had a cartoon, really, a cartoon about january 6th and about what happened. it was laced with falsehoods, all around the premise that the democrats and the progressives in this country altered the reality of january 6th. it was, indeed, not nearly as violent as we saw. we actually saw it live. >> right. >> playing out in front of the

whole nation, the whole word. now, they're telling us, no, we were wrong. your lying eyes were wrong. >> jim, let's move beyond talking about other networks and let's just talk about the practical impact of this. i say this to my friends in the republican party, my former party, and i just can't explain it enough. you now have members of congress that are trying to turn rioters and people who tried to overturn american democracy, they're trying to turn them into political prisoners. they're trying to reshape reality. they don't understand that by bringing this up, they bring up a blight on american democracy, which is, of course, something that, if they're defending that, it's something that's just going to cost them more election

victories in the future. >> oh, absolutely, joe. it's political suicide. it shows the weakness of kevin mccarthy. one of the first things he agreed to do was have more hearings on january 6th, was have a special committee take it down this stream. swing voters were repelled by all of this. it is part of why the democrats so overperformed in the 2022 election. instead of putting this behind them and focusing on the swing voters you and i know win these elections, they're going right back to the crazy parts of their base in a weird attempt to mollify these people. it makes no political sense. there's no one who could sit here and say, oh, this makes any political sense. yet, they're doing it and just giving away votes. that and this adherence to donald trump are the two strangest developments i've seen in modern american politics with the republican party. as a democrat, i'm thrilled about it. but as an american, it's really

scary. you continue to not have a functioning major party in the republicans. >> jim, you were so skilled at finding the path to victory a couple times for president obama. let's talk about if you were, hypothetically, running against donald trump, if you were ron desantis, if you were nikki haley or this collection of people who may get into the race. why aren't they taking him on in any serious way. why is it all veiled references? or it's time for a new generation. is it too dangerous to upset the base? if that's true, how do you win? how do you beat donald trump? >> exactly right. at some point, you have to take off the gloves and have a fight. they're not willing to do it. they're pretending he is going to go away on his own. they're pretending that this whole thing, that someone will indict him, he'll go away, and they won't make the base mad. donald trump is an amazing counterpuncher, willie, and they know it, too. they're worried about getting in the ring with him because they'll come out bloody.

eventually, to win the crown, you have to fight. who is going to be willing to do that? desantis has, so far to me, not been this great candidate everyone thinks he is going to be. he is unwilling to go in there and say no and start throwing punches. to win the republican nomination, especially with this base, you've got to do this. skipping cpac, doing this other stuff shows how worried about about donald trump. >> trump made clear at cpac that he is not going anywhere. he addressed head on the idea he could be indicted on any number of investigations. he said if that were to be the case, he'd still see this through. he believes, and some else in the party believe, were he indicted, it could help him with the base. he could paint it as a deep state conspiracy. look, they're trying to bring me down. we'll hear from desantis today, delivering his state of the state speech. he'll say what worked for florida will work for the nation. it's one of his major themes, so a soft launch if you will. he still has to get a law changed, actually, in order to

run. a florida state law would prohibit him from seeking another office. desantis, let's say it's june, say it's july, whenever he does jump in, what hurdles does he have to clear on the national stage to be considered the viable alternative to trump? he hasn't done that. >> first of all, you have to have a message to win the presidency. you have to have a reason to do this. so far, the reason is i'm not donald trump. that is not enough to get him where he needs to go. the second thing he's got to do is clear some of the other candidates. if it is him versus donald trump, he has a real chance. if nikki haley, all these other people are in there, which is why you saw hogan the other day said, a bunch of us can't run, we need a one-on-one matchup. he's got to get rid of some of these other people. third, he's got to take it to trump. he's got to show his base and the party that he can trade blows with donald trump. right now, as willie and i were talking about, he's shadowboxing. winning the presidency is not shadowboxing. winning the presidency is saying, whoever it is going to

be, here's my message, let's have it out. >> jimmy, let's deal with a couple of dark and brutal truths we talk about here often every day. donald j. trump is not going away. all the darkness, all the danger is not going away. what do we do about not just donald trump, but about this collection, maybe 30% and more who are trump acolytes, what do we do about them? they are convinced that this guy is a god. >> home state of minnesota, my neighbors who are ranchers are all convinced. they're literally convinced that he is a god. part of it is information. part of it is saying directly, that's not true and here's why. we're talking about fox news. the problem is when you have one news and the news is slanted, you have a problem. we have to start calling balls and strikes in a way that makes sense. january 6th was clear, and, yet, you have a major network trying

to rewrite history here. you can't have it. you're exactly right, trump isn't going away. a bunch of people want it to happen. you have more percentage at cpac this year than he did last year. i mean, this is his hold in the republican party, real and it's not going away. i would bet a steak dinner, which you and i think is a sacred thing, he is the nominee because no one has the chance to take him on. >> he is at this moment. tom nichols has a new piece in the "atlantic." he writes, donald trump went to cpac and gave a speech that was dark and violent, hallucinatory. i want to turn from his emotional issues to consider a more unsettling question. how in 2023, after all we know about this man and his attacks on our government and our constitution, do we engage the people who heard that speech and support donald trump's candidacy? in 2016, trump supporters could

lean on a slew of hopeful arguments. trump is acting. he'll hire professional staff. the good republicans will keep him in line. the job will sober him up. all of these would be disproved over time, writes nichols. now, trump kicked off his attempt to regain office with a litany of lunacy. if trump wins again, there will be a flurry of pardons, the same cast of miscreants will return to pennsylvania avenue, and this time they won't pretend to care about the constitution or the rule of law. gene robinson, what tom writes there is the fear that a lot of people have, including republicans. some say it out loud. some say it in private. if he is re-elected, if he does return to the white house, all of the general milleys, all the general kellys, the people, the guardrails as they were known around the west wing, would be gone. it would be mr. pillow and the cast of characters. >> oh, yeah, absolutely. it'd be awful. it would be beyond awful. it's unimaginable, that he gets back in the white house.

yet, it is not unimaginable that he becomes the republican nominee. unless people start taking him on. i mean, this is -- you know, i sound like a broken record, and we've heard this before, but it's the basic fact. you are not going to beat donald trump with nothing. you're not going to beat him playing pity-pat. you're not going to beat him by waiting for him to slink away. the question of how you engage, the question tom nichols asks, how do you engage those people? i think you have to engage them frontally. you have to tell them the truth. you have to shout it. you can't just whisper it, and you can't just pretend that, you know, they're going to eventually leave trump on their own. you've got to peel them away. you have to do that actively. nobody in the republican party is really doing that. so if they don't do that, he

will be the nominee again, and then i'm predicting he will probably lose. i certainly hope he would. heaven help the country if he won. >> jen, you were at cpac, and you mentioned a few minutes ago that kari lake won the straw poll to be vice president. "axios" is out with a report this morning that she's a favorite of donald trump if he wins the nomination. he'd give her a good look to be his vice presidential candidate, which helps you about where his mindset is and where he believes the mindset of the base of the party is anyway. >> yeah. she got a big response. she was at the ronald reagan dinner friday night. she was the keynote speaker there. you know, we thought that trump's speech was dark. listen to the things kari lake says. she said, "you're damn right we're dangerous." like, this is what she wants us to hear from her, that we are dangerous. we are going to take you on. you know, as i said before, i

mean, clearly lives in her own reality because she thinks she can't be the running mate for donald trump because she considers herself to be the sitting governor of arizona. like, that's what we're dealing with. you know, our show on "the circus" last week, we were on the campaign trail. i went to south carolina with mike pence. mark mckinnon went to new hampshire and talked to governor chris sununu who is considering running for president. he's the only republican who still is considering running for president that i heard say "donald trump is a loser. of course he is a loser. of course we need to move on." when you hear these words come out of a republican's mouth, they have power. they have meaning. i think that there is some measure of the republican base that is open to hearing that. but, you know, i saw nikki haley try her argument, where she just, in a veiled way, says we lost seven out of the eight elections. it's time for a new generation. stand with me. crickets, silence.

i do think you don't want a ton -- there's concern about having too much republican candidates in the race because that will help trump consolidate. he could win with 30% of the vote. but at the same time, you want somebody in there that's willing to say, "this guy is a loser, and it's time to move on." you know, something that will break that magical spell he continues to have. >> as jen says, joe, that was the implication of what nikki haley said at cpac. we keep losing. if you're tired of losing, let's turn to a new generation of elected officials, like myself, she was saying, instead of donald trump. nobody is saying that in a frontal way, taking on donald trump. >> no. as you said before, it didn't go well for her. >> yeah. >> she got, like, chased out of there. here's the reality. i mean, doesn't matter how many people are in the field. we need one republican, one that

is strong. one republican that will stand toe-to-toe to this guy. one republican that will tell the truth about him and be strong in the way they say it. if there's a chance. they all think they can shadowbox. >> don't know who it is. >> i've been talking to republicans since this guy got on the national stage. i remember talking to paul ryan. i've known paul since paul was -- i mean, paul was a staffer for us, a group of us back in '95. i said, "paul, he's not going to respect you for being weak. if he attacks you, you have to go back at him. he's a bully. you have to treat him like a bully or he'll run you over." paul said, "you know, i'm just interested in policy. i'm just interested in getting stuff" -- everybody has their own way they're supposedly going to

handle donald trump. none of it works. unless you face him down. >> mm-hmm. >> and you go after him aggressively. we'll see if ron desantis has what it takes to do that. you can't -- here's the thing -- >> no tippy-toe. >> you can't pretend he is not there. you can't pretend that you can just sort of wish him out of your existence on the debate stage. >> got to go right in there. >> we've said it before. you know, reverend al and i talk about boxing. like, ali, you pretended ali wasn't there, he'd knock your head off. if you're going to beat the champ, you've got to take on the champ. right now, mika, i don't see anybody in the republican party that has the guts to do that. >> still early. we'll see. msnbc host symone sanders townsend is here with us in abu dhabi. previously served as senior

adviser and chief spokesperson for kamala harris. you're here as part of your new role, member of know your value family. >> yes. >> welcome. we're here for the 30/50 summit. it's the second annual, really making, especially with the success we are seeing this year and the remarkable lineup, making abu dhabi the global capital of international women's day. we've got women from 50 countries, about 500 women here. some are mentors, some mentees, some are both. you're here to bring a lot of the conversations to msnbc and peacock and to our stage here in abu dhabi. tell us what you have on tap. >> absolutely. on international women's day, i'll be hosting or moderating a couple of conversations, one with ayesha curry, who is an entrepreneurial in her own right, turned a youtube page into an entire brand and has branched out to do a number of different things. most recently with her franchise in sweet july. we'll talk about her entrepreneurial journey, and also how she's centered equity

in what she is doing with sweet july. then i'm moderating an amazing conversation with two amazing ladies. the founder of the 15% pledge and founder of i am a voter. we will be talking about how to activate audiences to act on a number of the things we've discussed. earlier today, i had the opportunity to talk to a number of ceos here. two of the women have u.s.-based businesses. one of the women, europe based, does some business in the united states. we talked about the state of the economy. we talked about women in business, why being here at this conference was so important. i also had an opportunity to ask them about politics, and just what do they think about this whole landscape going forward. it was very interesting, that none of the entrepreneurs were following the debt ceiling fight if you will, but they all, even the european ceo, talked about the inflation reduction act. they talked about how women in business, how it is harder for them. these policies that have come out of this most recent

administration made a difference for them. i think the practical implication of what happens in washington, d.c., is really being felt here at this conference. >> we're going to be talking about a lot of the challenges women face in business, a lot of advice and tips are going to be shared. that's the whole basis of know your value. learn what your value is. learn how to communicate it effectively. of course, the newest sort of part of this entire campaign, the 30/50 summit, the 30 under 30 list meeting up with the 50 over 50 list. that 50 over 50 list is so important. it is telling younger women -- >> we don't have to wait. it's not over. >> no! >> when you first launched it, you know, 50, it's not over. 50s are the new 40s. >> i thought it was. i thought i was long gone at 40. >> no. >> when i was fired on, like, my 39th birthday, it was not a good birthday, by the way. i was like, oh, my gosh. i predicted my own demise. yet, here i am months shy of 56 more successful, more happy than

ever before. i think that's the message. >> i think so, too. this intergenerational coalition, it's always been the way that societies are pushed forward. i think as we are having this particular conversation this year, here in abu dhabi, on international women's day this week, so many things are happening. if you look at women around the world, one of the ceos i spoke to this morning is iranian. she talked about how seeing what is happening across the middle east, the representation that she is for women, but also how there's still so much more to get done. >> yes. >> women fuel economies. this is a global conversation we're having. i can't think of a better place to have it. >> thank you for coming. >> absolutely. >> being a part of the team. we appreciate it. symone sanders townsend, thank you. we'll hear more from symone throughout the week. she has a series for "know your value" for women's history month. >> celebrating her story.

>> i love it. you're so great. i really appreciate it. also, tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern, a "morning joe" exclusive. i will be co-moderating with former secretary of state hillary clinton, a not-to-be-missed discussion on women's rights and where women stand at this time in our history and the world. we will hear from billie jean king and gloria steinem. we'll hear from ukraine's first lady olena zelenska. for complete, live coverage of the summit and of that conversation, tune into "morning joe" tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern. to get more on the summit all week long, head over to knowyourvalue.com or forbes.com. i am posting like crazy on my social media, as is symone. >> new signs had to go up. >> i caused a disturbance here. >> you really did. >> symone, you see the 30/50? i got on it. >> on top of it. >> look, there is a sign next to

it, "please do not climb on the sign." they wanted to be clear. i'm pushing for change here. still ahead on "morning joe," we are tracking the latest developments after four americans were kidnapped at gunpoint in mexico. we'll get a live report in a few minutes. plus, transportation secretary pete buttigieg joins the conversation to weigh in on the push for a bipartisan rail safety bill following a series of trail derailments in ohio. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. big pharma has been unfairly charging people hundreds of dollars, making record profits. not anymore. we capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month for seniors on medicare.

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morgan, what can you tell us here? >> reporter: good morning. authorities say this may be a terrible case of mistaken identity. the four americans were crossing the border so a woman could get a cosmetic procedure done. instead, they drove into a gunfight that ended in a terrible kidnapping, some of which was caught on camera. four americans kidnapped in a mexican border city. an official tells nbc news, this video captures part of the horrifying attack. in it, you see a gunman dragging people to a white pickup truck in matamoros, mexico. the van was first caught in the cross fire of a deadly shootout. family identified one of the victims as latavia washington mcgee. they rented a van to cross the border for a cosmetic surgery.

brown said her younger brother is also one of the victims. the whereabouts of all four unknown. the u.s. state department placing matamoros and tamaulipas under a level 4 travel warning. avoid travel all now drug viol criminal organizations seeking to kidnap for ransom. >> reporter: following two tamaulipas shootings that closed schools, the u.s. department issued another warning before the kidnapping took place. gonzalez, whose district includes brownsville, says it is a larger trend toward cartel violence. what are you telling your constituents in light of the recent kidnappings? >> i'm telling them to be careful in traveling across the border. >> reporter: in washington, the white house stressing they're following the situation closely. >> our thoughts are with the

family lis of these individuals, and we stand ready to provide all appropriate consular assistance. >> reporter: authorities are concerned about the group's well-being, since videos appear to show some of them severely wounded. >> it's a race to identify them so we can establish contact and maybe begin negotiations here. >> reporter: we did learn that investigators converged on this scene in matamoros yesterday. we're told mexican investigators were gathering ballistics from the firings, processing the vehicles involved and trying to obtain surveillance video to crack down the victims in addition to the culprits. right now, their whereabouts are unknown. the mexican president saying yesterday, though, he does believe this will be resolved. willie. >> let's hope they make contact with the kidnappers and that those people, those americans are safe. nbc news correspondent morgan

chesky in brownsville, texas. thanks so much. coming up next, a bipartisan senate bill targeting tiktok will be unveiled this afternoon. it comes as some lawmakers are pushing for a nationwide ban of the app. we'll be joined by one of the co-sponsors of that legislation, democratic senator mark warner of virginia. that's just ahead on "morning joe." ♪ i know what's right for me. ♪ ♪ i've got a plan to which i'm sticking. ♪ ♪ my doc wrote me the script. ♪ ♪ box came by mail. ♪ ♪ showed up on friday. ♪ ♪ i screened with cologuard and did it my way! ♪ cologuard is a one-of-a kind way to screen for colon cancer that's effective and non-invasive. it's for people 45 plus at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for cologuard. ♪ (group) i did it my way! ♪

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that's a beautiful, live piture of our nation's capital at 7:41 in the morning. a bill would give president biden authority to deal with threats with tiktok and companies like it. the house foreign affairs committee advanced a separate bill last week that would be able to give penalties on the app, up to and including a total ban. the text of the senate bill is unknown, but a co-sponsor, democratic senator mark warner of virginia, said it would not be limited to tiktok.

senator warner joins us now. he is chair of the senate intelligence committee. senator, good to have you with us this morning. before we dive into the specifics of the proposed legislation, let's talk about the threat you believe is posed by tiktok and other technology companies. tiktok, of course, owned by a chinese company, widely believed to be gathering the data of 100 million or so americans for the chinese government, pushing narratives into the information bloodstream. what is the threat of tiktok as you see it? >> willie, let's step back for a minute. tiktok is not the first time we've had one of these challenges. a few years back, it was a russian software company. more recently, it was huawei, a chinese telecom company. now, it's tiktok. we've had this whack-a-mole approach that doesn't make sense. tiktok, 100 million americans average 90 minutes a day. i bet you'd love having 100 million americans watch 90 minutes a day of msnbc on a

regular basis. they're collecting data. many are young people. this is an enormous propaganda tool. the chinese communist party can direct what type of videos you're seeing on tiktok. what our bill does, and i have 12 senators, six republicans, six democrats, that are co-sponsoring this legislation, gives the commerce department a new set of tools to take on, up to banning, tiktok as well as other hardware, software, mobile apps. it includes things like, you know, a.i., quantum computing, a host of other new domains where we're going to see foreign technologies, i believe, pose national security concerns. >> senator, where is the line for you? so we're talking about tiktok here, but you could make the case that facebook, you can make the case that twitter pushes propaganda into the information systems of this country. it's been well documented that a lot of that stuff that was out there leading up to january 6th drove people to the capitol, led

people to believe things that weren't true about the 2020 election. how, in your mind, do you draw those lines of what should be allowed and what should not? >> well, first of all, willie, we start with saying these are communications, technologies from six nations that we've already determined in law as semi-add ver sashl. china, russia, north korea, venezuela. this law would not apply to american companies. second, what we do, and i think this is very important, we give the congress department this ability, but we say, the intelligence community, working with the intelligence communities at justice department and others, we've worked very closely with the administration on this, has to declassify as much information as possible as we make this case. if the commerce secretary wants to make the case, in this case, secretary romando would have to work with the intel community

and declassify as much as possible, so americans can see the reasons why. a few years back with huawei, the chinese telecom provider, we had no american alternative. we went around the world saying, don't use huawei. until we could actually declassify some of the information, show the potential backdoors, it was hard to make that case. we think that limiting this bill to six nations that have already been deemed by law potential adversaries, but also saying you have to declassify as much information as possible, do it with as much transparency as possible, we can identify these technologies. again, give the commerce secretary a whole series of mitigation tools up to and proh >> jonathan lemire. good morning, senator. tomorrow, the senate intel committee is holding the worldwide threats hearing. china, i assume, will be a centerpiece of that. tell us what you're look to hear and to learn, with the backdrop

being these u.s. warnings that beijing may be looking to help moscow, about the chinese spy balloon that was downed last month, and ongoing concerns from mal actions by beijing. >> first of all, i think we'll hear from all the leaders of the intel community that china poses the greatest adversarial threat to our nation. clearly, russia and putin's illegal invasion of ukraine has captured the world's attention. but in china, we have a threat that is different than russia was ever. russia was a military threat, idealogical threat. china is a near economic peer, and china, in domain after domain, is competing on the economic basis. we saw that with huawei in terms of their next generation wireless. we see it with their investments in artificial intelligence, in next generation energy, in issues like artificial intelligence, quantum computing, and i think there's a whole series of these technologies

that we didn't use to think of as national security. now, we need to think of as national security. if china dominates those technologies, they will rule not only the economic but i think, you know, the global domain going forward. that expansion of national security is number one. number two, i think we also need to make very clear, and some of my republican friends who don't feel that putin is a problem or somehow want to back off on ukraine, these authoritarian regimes are linked. if china starts helping more obviously putin, that reinforces putin in russia. it'll also require us to take, i think, bolder sanction steps towards china. i think the administration is trying to make that clear. and in the case of, let's face it, on the balloon, i think there was a little bit of hysteria all across the board. nations spy on each other. i said early on, i don't think the chinese would have allowed a balloon to leisurely float across mainland china for days

on end. i'm glad it was taken down. the department has laid out a better criteria going forward. >> senator, 15 years ago, someone in the justice department told me that one of the most critical problems we face is the theft of intellectual property. so my question to you is, is it still there today, and is it linked to things like tiktok and huawei? >> the threat has been estimated to be $500 billion a year of intellectual property stolen from democracies around the world. you know, if you don't have to spend that money, if you can steal that intellectual property, that gives you a big head start. then when you look at the level china is spending on r&d on top of that, that's why it is a near peer competitor. i think most businesses have woken up to that. our committee in a bipartisan way went around, and we've done 17 classified road shows where we point out this threat and say, you know, buyer beware. you're making a lot of money maybe in china, but recognize that there may be a lot of

intellectual property theft. we saw it in a lot of our universities, the so-called institutes that were spying for china. there's more alertness. we'll bring in business leaders later this week and give them a classified update on this challenge. you know, we've gotten better, but the chinese have gotten better, as well, in terms of spying techniques. >> senator, our economy is so entangled with china's now. on tiktok, you could come out and say, everybody delete tiktok. maybe you could get that done. but should we also worry about hardware, for example, or iphones, all the electronic gear that we carry around that's mad carry around made in china. is that a potential threat? what do we do about it? >> we did determine and this is where you got to bring a little bit of subtle -- subtlety to

this. this hand held device is not going to be a threat. the idea of putting a telecom system and if you look at huawei sold equipment into america a number of years back it was lots of small telephone companies because it was good equipment and cheap. it was overlay of the icbm missile bases in the midwest. we made the case and had to spend taxpayer money to yank out the equipment. again, it comes back to the bigger question. i don't think we have to decouple with china but have to go in with an eyes wide open about the challenge they pose, the authoritarian regime. every company in china has to be first obligation to the chinese

communist party and we need to be aware of that and china's record investment in technology is able national security threat of our day. >> the fbi is moving the headquarters out of washington. it is narrowed the choices to maryland or virginia. virginia governor moore was here making the pitch about the fbi going to his state. why do you believe it should be virginia? >> i don't believe it should be maryland. i think it is a slam dunk for virginia why there's ten years, this process. they have laid out criteria. we have got the fbi training base near the site. we have the balance of the intelligence community in northern virginia. at a metro stop and a diverse population. it is important that the fbi bring in folks who speak different languages, come from

different faith traditions. the community to locate the fbi in is majority minority. across faiths. from equity to cost to the location of the metro station and most importantly what's in the best interest of the fbi? i think we win this hands down. >> a couple of good pitches. maryland makes the final presentation tomorrow. virginia on thursday. should be a decision soon after that. chairman, senator mark warner of virginia, thank you for your time. >> thank you guys. still ahead, joined by former maryland governor larry hogan not running for president in 2024. we'll ask him why when "morning joe" comes right back. next on behind the series... let me tell you about the greatest roster ever assembled.

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already a better audience at the cpac which was not c-packed. it stands for crazy to put up all those chairs. the crowd was mostly rabid maga supporters. donald trump is voted or voted for whose hair looks most like straw. >> straw. former president trump did not let his base down with a dark and grievance-fueled speech at cpac naming a few republicans who dismissed the chance of winning the nomination in 2024. we will have the response from one. we have a long-time critic of

donald trump standing by. former governor, republican larry hogan joins the conversation in a moment. welcome back to "morning joe." it is tuesday, march 7th. jonathan and mike with us. we are here in abu dhabi, crossroads of the world taking part in the 30/50 summit with forbes and know your value. >> sometimes -- what a beautiful shot. time zones are hard to deal with. i must tell you when you do "morning joe" from 3:00 in the afternoon to like 7:00 at night -- >> willie, it is pretty good. >> yeah. yeah. >> i am not going to complain. kind of -- you know? when we go on at 6:00 in the morning mika gets up at 3:30. >> to work out. >> here, you know.

it is kind of crazy. but speaking of crazy, we have been talking about it all this morning and i can't wait to hear what the governor has to say but this i am your vengeance. >> retribution. ugh! >> yeah. it is like american carnage. i know it sounds kind of strange but the laws of gravity have returned to american politics, have returned to the court system. people who riot, try to overturn american elections, who beat the hell out of cops with american flags -- they get sent to jail. and people can wish that away all they want to, be as negative as they want to, talk about -- donald trump talked about enemies and -- but the laws of

gravity remain in place in american politics and at the end of the day you don't win general elections. maybe, maybe you can win some primaries but you don't win general elections unless you play this as a game of addition instead of subtraction, doing what kari lake did in arizona saying we don't john mccain voters here. get out. there's a politician -- i want everybody why talking about pensacola beaches. we had w.d. childers who said i want all the money and the votes. and that's how politicians should look at it. go to win. you can't make a difference unless you win elections and you don't win unless you make it a game of addition. willie, donald trump still after all these years of losing

doesn't get that. >> subtracting voters since being elected in 2016. the 2020 election and the races in between and the midterm that is we just finished. former president trump does have one less potential competitor this morning. the former governor of maryland announced over the weekend he won't seek the republican nomination for president in 2024. former governor hogan joins us now. thank you for being here. there were a lot of republicans hopeful that you would get into the race and represented the style of republicanism and conservatism they know and hoped would come back. how did you make the decision not to get in? >> it was a difficult decision. i put a lot of thought into it but part is what you were just discussing. i said that successful politics

is about addition and multiplication and not subtraction and division. i have been just the opposite. i was elected and re-elected in the bluest state in america by winning independents and democrats by focusing on things that people cared about and competency and common sense. that's missing in politics today. the party has sort of gone off the rails. it was a crowded field and i did want to be part of a multi-car pile-up trying to reach those republican wing of the republican party. so i didn't really need elective office. i didn't see a clear path with multiple people trying to merge in the same lane. >> you believe that the party is redeemable, can return to

reganism or george w. bush in small government conservatism. how do you see that? if you look at cpac, the way that other people like ron desantis who may get into the race talking about culture wars, how do you see the party returning to what you believe it can be? >> i'm hopeful and optimistic that we can. i don't know how fast it will happen. i try to fight in that direction because i think it is important for the country to debate issues. cpac was half empty. most of the serious potential candidates did not attend. people are focused on other things. trump and trumpism is a huge chunk of the republican party. we are having a battle for the

heart and soul of the party. the first primaries are more than a year away. i will continue to be a voice and continue to be involved in any way i can. >> you have said that you're optimistic about the future of the republican party and worried about the present and speaking of an election a year or so away but as you survey it is there a candidate or two two represents what you think the republican party would be? is there someone there declared or expected to jump in who you would feel like the party could go where it needs to be? >> i think we have a number of talented people in the party. we don't know who will run. but i believe that we have a lot of talent. i think some are governors and former governors who have some leadership experience in running an executive branch.

i think it's far too early. looking back at 2015 donald trump was at less than 1% and jeb bush was the leader and talking about scott walker and rick perry and the guys that a year out we thought would be the only ones to hear from. other people popped up. i'm hopeful that some of the folks -- that's why we have the primaries. there's no coronation. everybody has to leave it on the field. there's a whole host of potential people to do a great job representing us. >> governor, put you strategist hat on. the republican party right now, a huge percentage is captivated with religious fervor to one particular candidate and coming to candidates you have probably a majority of mentioned candidates thus far who are captured by the fear of

attacking the potential candidate. what do you do about the people who actually vote? >> right. i think there's a cult of personality is not good for the party and been a big part of problem. the positive news is it is changing slowly. trump went from 90% support and then after january 6, 60% and now 30-some percent. i was the only one speaking out for years but now many of the potential candidates and many other people in the party are starting to have the courage to talk about the truth and are willing to push back. so hopefully that will continue and we'll continue to see him diminish and hopefully get the party back on track. >> some republicans are pushing back on donald trump. no one who's running against him at the moment, joe.

>> no. you know, governor, the thing i just don't get about the republican party is they don't like winners. i'm serious. you look at the most popular and successful governors in america. your approval rating in maryland in the 70s. new hampshire in the 70s. charlie baker in the 70s and the yahoos in that party ran him out of politics. you got a vermont governor that's got approval rating in the 80s. >> phil scott. >> there is a way -- phil scott. there is a way forward for republicans. you have shown the way. other people have shown. it has nothing to do with being divisive and woke wars and

finding the issues out there. talk about that and talk about how crazy it is that you have all the republican governors with approval ratings in the 70s and 80s and nobody nationally is interested. >> you make an excellent point. look. i'm leaving the bluest state in the country with a very high approval rating. people liked it solving issues and working together to find compromise. it is what most americans are looking for. unfortunately donald trump said we are going to be winning so much we'll get tired of winning but all we have done is lose and again and again. lost in the last three election cycles and not sure how many times you have to beat your head against the wall to realize that doubling down on failure is not the road map to success. it is what i talked about right after the 2020 election at the

reagan institute. we have to have a hopeful, positive message that appeals to a broader audience or else we don't get to govern. they're so focused on playing to the base that they're hurting themselves in a general election. >> yeah. >> absolutely. >> like you said, you have shown the way in the bluest state in america. we talked about up and down the eastern seaboard. that begs a much larger question. that is, the question whether an independent candidate not tied to the republican base or the democratic base, whether at some point soon an independent candidate can be president of the united states. >> it's an interesting question. it is not really happened before. but we are at a unique point in time where people are leaving

both the republican and democratic party to be independent and in record numbers in nearly every state. you see about 70% of what i call the exhausted majority fed up with politics and both parties and hate the angry rhetoric and the toxic politics and the fact that nothing gets done. so it is certainly -- i don't see it at this point in time but it is not completely outside of the realm of possibility. >> former governor larry hogan of maryland, thank you very much for being on the show. >> thank you. with us here in abu dhabi is the co-founder and ceo of aulg in together, lauren leader and had such a pleasure with your group earlier today. because "morning joe" is on in the amp here. you are looking at some of the metrics around the state of women in the world. what are some of the stats you

have got that bring us up to date on how far we have come and how far to go? >> this is amazing to be here. congratulations. thank you for having us. it is a really fascinating time for women. i track very close ler the world economic forum data the best countries. iceland tops the rankings. one of the most gender equal nations in the world. the infrastructure you need for women to succeed. and then unfortunately these day it is very bottom of the rankings is afghanistan. they have fallen after so many years of progress. it is heartbreaking to watch on a daily basis the backsliding of women's rights and how tied it is to the backsliding of democracy in that country. >> talk about the u.s. and where it stands in all of this.

>> the united states is ranked about 27th in the world of gender equality. it is not gist the nordic countries ahead. rwanda, south africa, namibia. countries all over the world investing in health and women's security and political power. we have not had a woman head of state. >> i wanted to say when you talk about women in the united states, you look at outcomes. we talk an awful lot obviously about roe being overturned. we can even talk about outcomes of childbirth. not good for women in america. in fact, the rate of people that die in childbirth higher in the united states than across the

industrialized world. >> that's right. across the oecd countries, maternal mortality in the united states is increasing and among the worst maternal mortal in the world. >> why? >> an erosion of rural health care, access to prenatal care declined and underinvested in minority countries. >> this offends me so much when you tack about pro life versus pro choice. i hear people like david french pro-life who say this all the time. if you are pro-life it doesn't start at conception and end at childbirth. the political party that's the biggest proponent of so-called

pro-life policies are the same party not taking care of women, childbirth and beyond. as far as health care outcomes. >> women's lives absolutely. a new lawsuit today that is being filed by five women in texas who nearly died in childbirth. wanted the children and denied care because of the ambiguity of the texas abortion laws that make doctor fear to treat women and a number of women in the lawsuits are unable to have children because of the complications from the childbirth -- lack of care they were denied. around the world most nations have expanded abortion care. we have rolled it back. it speaks to the understanding that women's health and reproductive rights are fundamental to the entire access

to prosperity in a society. we understood that when roe happened in the '70s. other countries understand this. they're inseparable. >> giveren the discussions to have here at the 50/30 summit talk about women in leadership positions. >> it is really interesting because for years it was really a stagnant answer. women stagnated at 20% of women on boards. this is a bright spot. there's a huge increase in women on boards. we have 15% women ceos, highest number ever. still too low. but it is a huge progress. the real question is whether we're going to start seeing erosion of that. you talked about the women ceos stepping down. the pandemic devastating.

it is coming back but now more than ever. joe, this is the point of families and life. we need to support the -- policies allow women to world. the rest of the world understands you have to support them. >> tomorrow is international women's day. that's why this summit is on and around international women's day. what will you be looking for? >> so excited to every one of the women here. super fan of billie jean king, misty. the board and colleagues excited to be with each other and something magical about women focusing and support each other and a wonderful part of the conference. so much focused on supporting each other. >> thank you so much why thank you for being friends with you. >> this is tough duty.

>> tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern time i will be moderating with former secretary of state hillary clinton. a not to be missed discussion with women's rights activists billie jean king and also hearing from ukraine's first lady. it is a conversation with legends and icons and that is tomorrow morning live at 7:00 eastern time on "morning joe." still ahead on "morning joe," karl rove hits back after former president trump criticized him and other top republicans in his cpac speech. we'll show you that moment and the a new piece of donald trump's recipe for electoral failure. we'll read from that. you're watching "morning joe."

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let's get to the news with veteran gop strategist karl rove responding to former president trump criticism of him and other republicans during his cpac address. here's what trump said followed by rove's response. >> we will liberate america from the villains and scoundrels once and for all. when we started this journey like never been before, we had a republican party that was ruled by freaks, neo-cons, globalists, open border zealots and fools. but we are never going back to the party of paul ryan, karl

rove and jeb bush. >> the president did name check me. i was happy to be between paul ryan and jeb bush. the speech was a good one but not a great one. he has begun to emphasize issues but some are weird. building ten new cities around america and having people elect school principals just striked me as fanciful ideas but talking mostly about the future. we did have the recitation that he had won the 2020 election and won it by a lot which i think people are over that. you aren't president of the quite. stay focused on the future. desantis is laying the predicate for a presidential campaign why not running for president yet. he understands that people need to know more about imand the speech in california and from what i heard speaking to record breaking audiences for the

republican county fund raising dinners are aimed to help deepen people's understanding of who he is. it is preliminary to being a presidential candidate. >> willie, talk about defining -- i won't say deviancy. he is basically declaring war on anybody that didn't vote for him. still lying about losing the election. you now have members of congress who are going out talking about liberating those poor, poor victims in their minds of people who actually stormed the capitol on january the 6th. so now they're calling them political prisoners. this is a really screwed up, twisted reality and to try to gloss over it and some

establishment republicans tried to do. he is talking about the issues. to say that's unfortunate, that's an understood statement. it is really -- trump's message top to bottom was sick. and again it was all-out warfare on anybody that did not vote for him or did vote for him who won't follow him with the lie that led to the riots on january 6th. >> yeah. the line to be remembered is i am your retribution. been graded on a curve is to putt it mildly. jeb bush on that list has officially backed ron desantis already. he is not even in the race. there's the divide between the bush family and donald trump before 2016. but paul ryan was mentioned

there, former house speaker. he was asked about the race during an interview with "the new york times" magazine and said the primary field needs to stay small to prevent a split. ryan saying i don't think you can prevent people from getting in the race. what donors can do is whittle the field down faster. % in iowa, 8% in new hampshire get out of the race. i don't think trump will get the nomination ryan said. he is unelectable. we are far better with "x" person. nikki haley is in the race. ron desantis for the moment is a theoretical choice. barnstorming the country on a book tour that looks like a campaign. given the crowd not as large in

the past was enthusiastic at cpac for donald trump. who is person "x" that paul ryan is talking about? >> i have no idea. we have not seen person "x" yet. desantis, when he gets into the race, we'll see if he has the juice to actually go up against trump. nikki haley i don't think is person "x" and then who else is willing to step forward? the step that karl rove is taking is isn't he cute? not great. he was okay. but he is the past. why are they doing this? don't they understand that if you're going to not have donald trump as your nominee you better take him down?

you better go after him because he is out there running for president. yes, cpac was sad and weird this year. but in fact, he was there. that's his crowd. you got to take them away from him to be the nominee. i don't see anybody doing that. >> joe, it is not just karl rove but people running against him in the race saying i don't want to criticize the former president trump. if you don't go after him then why are you in the race? you talk to the republican establishment and behind the scenes. they still will say, of course, as the nominee we support him. joe biden, joe biden, a socialist. donald trump -- acting like this is any other year. 2012. this is 2004.

>> back to the carnage speech. >> you have a guy who is talking about calling people villains that didn't vote for him saying i am your retribution. he's already stirred up violence on january 6. one fascist talking point after another through the years. this is fascism. you can't round off the curves. i am your retribution? i am -- okay. i have a question. is trump the retribution for losing in '22? or '21? is he the retribution for losing in '20 or '19 or '18? like seriously. this is like a guy who you think will go up and dunk the basketball, shatter the backboard. he stumbles and can't make a

layup? just call me retribution. you are a loser. you lose elections. yet he pitches himself as i am your retribution. they are the villains. donald trump doesn't understand today what he didn't understand from the very start. and that is, politics is a game of addition. early on i tried to talk to people in the cabinet. politics is a game of addition. you want more people on your side. don't attack everybody and turning them off. you need to be more inclusive. open up. try to get 50% plus 1. it is a message -- why do i say this? >> say it every morning. >> i don't say this because i'm -- it is the right thing to do even though it is. i say this because they're going to lose again. if they get behind this guy --

they keep losing and why do we keep -- i'll tell you why. politics is a game of addition and trump is still in the business of subtracting every single day. >> the -- i was at cpac. i met one person not there before. diminished why the room didn't feel as big and the energy wasn't there. but still, when i talked to people about are you concerned about having president trump run again and be the nominee given the losses and they just say, no. they believe in this guy. not that they don't like desantis. they do. they think they can have it. trump in '24. keep ron desantis in florida. and then desantis can run in '28 and they think it can work out believing the conspiracy theories.

through the week and at cpac i felt like the people are running into their own conspiracy theories. kari lake on top of the vice presidential straw poll and their team said the governor of arizona can't run for vice president. that is the reality that they are living in. now the biden administration is responding to the a littlest train derailment in ohio. transportation secretary pete buttigieg joins the conversation straight ahead on "morning joe."

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welcome back. charles c.w. cook has a new piece for "the national review" saying donald trump likes to point to paul ryan and karl rove for what's wrong with the gop and the warning of what the party will become again if the canes for the republican nomination prevail in 2024. jeb bush probably was the best governor in the history of florida writes cook and the reforms are the primary reason why the state is attractive as it is to conservatives. paul ryan's record is equally solid. as for the deployment of reagan republican as an insult, if that's where we are the world is upside down. trump continues to behave and why he's proven himself to be a

loser. end quote. ronald reagan won twice including once taking 49 states. so i'm not sure what that has to do with losing. >> reagan was re-elected and trump was not. it is remarkable how little has changed since 2020. cpac's diminished. disappointing 2022 midterms. a moment then where a lot of the party did for the first time blame donald trump saying you are the reason why we took the losses. didn't hold january 6 and the pandemic against him and children in cages at the border against him but this. that wasn't enough to finish him off and a grip of the republican party is firm. that portion has shrunk but

might be big enough. we would say he is favored to be the republican nominee in 2024. sure, the anti-trump forces seem to be gathering around desantis but he is not declared. not nationally vetted. no real sense if voters will like him as the guy. propped up by fox news which is interesting but the bigger the field the better for trump. one takeaway from cpac is that his base is still there and that might be enough to get him the republican nomination and certainly not enough to win in the general. coming up, the number of teachers quitting the classroom is high. stephanie gosk digs into that and joins the table straight ahead on "morning joe." okay everyone, our mission is complete balanced nutrition. together we support immune function.

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the battle rages on in the ukrainian front line city of bakhmut today. forces continue to fight within and around the city which is ruined by the fighting. in the midst of a siege by russian forces, the troops say they will not retreat. "the new york times" reports ukraine calculated the russian siege in the city weakening. now ukraine will try to stall russian forces through a battle of attrition. this morning china's foreign minister is defending possible military support for russia saying the united states is hypocritical. the accusations stem from the military aid the u.s. provides to taiwan which china does not recognize as a sovereign nation. the foreign minister denied that china supplied weapons to

russia. intelligence indicates china is considering arming forces in ukraine. joining us is president of the council on foreign relations richard haas, author of "the bill of obligations." a best seller. good to see you. >> good morning. >> let's start there with china. president xi gave a speech yesterday criticizing the quite saying it is orchestrating this worldwide suppression. >> containment. >> exactly. what are we seeing with russia at the center of this? >> it is ironic. they want china on one side against soviet union. and now they team up against the united states. i think china made the strategic decision to do what they have to do to make sure that mr. putin

doesn't lose. we have a debate about arming ukraine with f-16s and the tanks. china might try to offset the idea that we do. the idea to transform the battlefield i would guess not. i don't think china is prepared to let that happen. >> what does the united states do if china does start to arm russia openly with weapons and taking a side in the war when we said that's a red line? >> my guess is they're transferring dual use equipment. my guess is to probably route arms around third countries so they are not directly shipped. try to get sanctions. a lot more u.s. sanctions but not a lot left. chinese calculated. kept the tariffs in place. restricting the access to the united states for anything and almost said, hey, not a lot more

they can do. the europeans in many cases are so committed to access to the chinese market, the chinese probably think whatever they pay is modest. i don't see xi jinping who so hitched the wagon to vladimir putin and yesterday the foreign minister doubled down on it. >> talk about the influence or lack thereof washington might have with kyiv right now. we heard from defense minister austin saying that bakhmut is not a good use of the resources why there's a fear if they exhaust the resources here it will hurt the eighty to wage a counter offensive down the road and the administration trying to say crimea shouldn't be part of it. walk us through what that

relationship will be like the longer the war goes on. >> the battle going on is almost more psychologically important and almost a metaphor. you don't want to destroy ukraine to save it. i think the u.s. is worried about the effort here. this is a big issue. we talked about the united states and china. we talked about the united states and russia. there's a classic relationship between foes, competitors. turns out in foreign policy most complicated relations are between friends where you agree. how do you disagree? so i actually think the u.s.-ukraine relationship is really complicated. you got some of the big ones. how do they spend the resources? crimea should be part of ukraine. do you try i to liberate it militarily?

is that feasible and necessary at this point? there will be real friction between the united states and ukraine. we finessed it up until now. they set the war aims. i don't think that's viable. when does the united states allow a partner to set the aims of american foreign policy? we are moving to uncomfortable conversations. >> gene? >> richard, you said you think xi's aim is russia not lose this war but not the same as russia winning the war. do you think xi has an end game in mind that would be satisfactory to china that would allow russia allow russia perhaps to save face, but that would be short of the investment of material and money and everything else that would be required to prop russia up to

actually win the war? >> it's a good question. look, this is not the most important issue to china. what china really cares about besides their domestic situation is taiwan. that's what they're focused on. he's made a personal commitment to putin. he put his prestige a little bit on the line with his no-limits agreement of just over a year ago. i don't think the chinese mind that u.s. readiness is being diminished. so much of our military stocks are going to ukraine and wouldn't be available if there ever were a taiwan conflict. i think china would prefer to not cross lines and not become the target of a new u.s./european campaign. they'll probably do as much as they have to, but not more than that. they don't want russia to win. they simply don't want putin to be humiliated and the united states and their allies to have a major victory. they're buying oil and equipment

and they'll probably get military stuff there if they have to. but they're not looking to make ukraine the center piece of u.s./china relations. i thought it was interesting that the new speaker decided he wouldn't do what speaker pelosi did. he is not going to taiwan. i think if that happened, it would have been a major flare-up in tensions. instead it looks like the new speaker will meet with her in the united states. that might be something of a bullet dodged. not a lot of pieces of good news in this relationship. just possibly that's a little bit of a bullet dodged. coming up, from the tarmac to turbulence, safety concerns with airline travel. y concerns with airline travel.

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. welcome back to "morning joe." you are looking at new york city. looks gorgeous out there. this morning you might have noticed a couple of flurries, but all of that is out of the picture. in the central plains we have some thunderstorms that are going to bubble up and give us prolonged periods of multiple rounds of heavy rain, so that flooding threat will be there from oklahoma to arkansas. this system will also bring snow to parts of the northern united states. little rock, ft. smith, mcallister and wichita falls could see an inch to 2 inches as we get into tomorrow. there's the flash flooding. i want you to pay close attention, not driving through those flooded roadways in places like ft. smith and little rock. as we transition to the west

coast, they cannot get a break. we are going to see multiple rounds of systems working in, bringing us not just winter weather alerts, but ample amounts of rain. big concerns of flooding there too. this system is going to bring some showers, maybe additional snowfall for the sierras and mt. shasta over the next day or so. as we get into thursday and friday, we're going to see this next system really intensify offshore and another atmospheric river event sets up, meaning more rain for folks not just in northern california, but impacting southern california as well all the way up the coast. the flooding concern will be there with rising snow levels. that means there's going to be melt from all this snow. this is going to be more of a rain event over the coming days. "morning joe" will be right back. "morning joe" will be right back

♪♪ live picture of reagan national airport in washington just before 9:00 on the east coast, just about 6:00 as you wake up out west. we have a busy morning, including a live report from southern california, where some people in snow-covered mountain communities are struggling just to get supplies. we'll have an update. meanwhile, norfolk southern says it is rolling out immediate changes to improve safety following those two train derailments in ohio. we'll talk to transportation secretary pete buttigieg about the federal response in just a moment. we begin this hour with a look at the markets. stock futures are inching higher as wall street awaits the latest comments from federal reserve chairman jerome powell on the state of the economy. powell is expected to give testimony on the economy,

inflation and interest rates to the senate banking committee this morning at 10:00 eastern time. let's bring in cnbc dom chew. what should we be looking for today when chairman powell takes the chair? >> markets will likely move if chair powell says anything that seems to deviate from the comment narrative of keeping rates higher for longer to make sure inflation remains in check. there is the possibility of market volatility. some analysts aren't looking for that many fireworks today. the reason why is because powell's address before the house financial services committee tomorrow and the senate banking committee today has some important issues to address, but the most important issues and data are not even in the fed's arsenal yet because a lot of that data is out later on this month. the fed will take into account for its next interest rate

meeting the big monthly jobs report, which doesn't get released until friday. then there's inflation data on the consumer and business level next week, all ahead of the next fed interest rate announcement on wednesday, march 22nd. yes, a lot of attention being paid, but not a lot of fireworks expected. the tech sector could be facing even more job cuts. meta platforms would look to cut head count by thousands more as soon as this week according to a bloomberg report. meta has already cut roughly 13% of its workforce last november, 11,000 jobs roughly. mark zuckerberg has been in the midst of a cost-cutting campaign, calling 2023, quote, the year of efficiency at meta. one of the most high profile mergers affecting the american consumer is likely to get a big challenge from regulators.

jetblue and spirit are in the process of combining, but that has justice department anti-trust officials worried that the deal will lead to less competition and higher air fares in the future. there are multiple reports that the justice department will move to block the merger, not surprisingly, given the focus on air travel woes. jetblue ceo robin hayes and spirit ceo christy argue that it would benefit consumers by creating a bigger rival to delta and american. there is hyper focus on the transportation business right now because of all those woes we've seen over the last several months. >> we'll talk about those in just a moment. now to that historic snowfall out west, residents in san bernardino county, california, are expressing

frustration with state and county response to last week's major snowstorms. some in the area are still without power and complaining road conditions have not improved. miguel almaguer has the story from crestline, california. >> reporter: this morning, this is the race to reach the snow bound in southern california, emergency teams digging out trapped residents in the san bernardino mountains, just 80 miles east of l.a. homes and cars submerged in snowdrifts more than 9 feet tall. >> feels like an apocalyptic movie. >> reporter: in the last two weeks alone, over 7 million cubic yards of snow cleared from state highways, the equivalent of more than 2,000 olympic-sized swimming pools. many side roads are still undrivable. >> without us volunteers, there's no telling how many dead bodies we'd be recovering. >> reporter: this man scaling

the snow to deliver food and medications to stranded residents. >> it's okay. >> reporter: including insulin for her uncle. >> it's just scary not being able to get out. >> how desperate did you need these supplies, including that insulin? >> it's a matter of life or death for my uncle. >> reporter: pregnant stephanie and her husband david were trapped in their home when she went into labor, road closures preventing their mid wives from arriving in time thanchts's when things started to get stressful for me. >> reporter: luckily stephanie gave birth to a healthy baby girl audrey without complications. meantime, northern california also facing dangerous conditions, heavy snow in the sierra nevada collapsing roofs and making travel treacherous. yosemite national park and other a dozen state parks closed indefinitely as californians come together to help brave this

historic winter wallop. this neighborhood, this home is so indicative of what we're seeing all across this community, there's four or five cars buried in the snow behind me. there's also concern about the rooftop here. all of that heavy snow could collapse. the gentleman that lives here finally got heat. he also has food, but he says digging out is going to take days. >> heat, food and medical supplies in demand there. miguel almaguer, thank you so much. norfolk southern is making changes following the derailment of two trains in ohio. over the weekend 28 cars left the track in springfield one month after a train derailed near the pennsylvania border, spilling toxic chemicals in east palestine. hot bearing detectors on the

track played a role in the east palestine derailment. the company's plan does not include many changes the biden administration has been calling for. joining us now live u.s. transportation secretary pete buttigieg. thanks for your time this morning. you've seen the plan rolled out by norfolk southern in response to derailments in ohio, one as recently as a few days ago over the weekend. does it go far enough? >> certainly those steps are positive, but there has to be more, not just in terms of things the railroads do voluntarily, but things we require them to do. that's one of the reasons we're working with congress on everything from stiffer penalties for safety violations to an accelerated timeline for getting these tank cars upgraded. reviewing the letter from norfolk southern, these are positive steps, those so-called hot box detecters can detect an issue in a wheel bearing even when the track itself is in good condition. that would have been relevant

and was relevant in the case of the east palestine derailment. we know enough to know this needs more attention and we have a safety advisory out on that topic. we continue to see incident after incident. the major incident in east palestine and the derailment in clark county, less severe but frightening for residents who were told to shelter in place. just this morning we're getting reports of a worker fatality also involving a norfolk southern train in ohio. the brutal reality is there have always been more of these kinds of incidents than a lot of americans realize. i think right now with the level of public attention there is on railroad safety and accountability, we can do more than was ever possible before in

terms of what we expect from the railroads, in terms of what we as a department do and in terms of what we have to work with congress to make the law of the land. >> since the east palestine derailment, just to learn about how the freight rail industry works and that these are not frequent but they happen a lot more often than people realize. these derailments are part of the cost of doing business for these companies. also, things like there only have to be two people on these long trains watching and monitoring what's going on here. how did we get to a place where it appears to be, in many cases, dangerous to operate these freight trains? >> often what happens is there will be a set of crashes or incidents, a public uproar, a lot of regulation, and then over time the regulation gets watered down. about ten years ago there were a series of derailments including a horrific case in canada where

47 people were killed when a train carrying a lot of volatile materials exploded in quebec. there were more regulations after that. but in the years after that when things got quieter, the railroad lobby was able to flex a little muscle and slowed down the adoption of these fortified tank cars and got fortification that made it more difficult for my department to maintain rules. this is partly a story about the political dynamics here in washington, but those dynamics have to change. we have to cut through the politics, get real reform done. we've been working on it from day one in terms of the work our department is doing. that issue of two-person crews, believe it or not, the industry has been pushing to have just one crew member even on these trains that can be 2, 3 or 4

miles long. think about this. go ahead. sorry. >> on that last point you just raised, mr. secretary, the 212 length of cars, how much has to do with economics and safety? >> well, a lot of this has been driven by economics. if you look at the freight railroad industry, especially since it got increasingly taken over in terms of ownership by private equity with a real focus on the bottom line, what you've seen over the years is a model that strips away the human element. many of these firms, more than a third or more of the workforce is gone compared to where we were a decade or two ago. just a relentless focus on the bottom line. the really frustrating thing is even though it's made these companies more efficient in terms of profitability, it has not made them more efficient in

terms of their job, which is to deliver freight around the country. we've been working every angle of the supply chain issue really since the height of the pandemic. there was a lot of attention on shipping and ports, a lot of attention on the availability of truckers. we've seen a lot of frustration about the performance of the class one railroads. yes, these companies are in credibly profitable. to me, that's just evidence they can be held to a higher standard and still be successful as businesses. >> switching gears, we heard from president biden. we did lose the transportation secretary's audio. certainly this speaks to this effort to try to curb these crashes and not just about the length of trains but also to put new regulations on railroads that have hazardous materials.

it's not just a derailment, it's a derailment with toxic chemicals that could have damaging effects for generations to come. >> we do have the secretary back, john. >> mr. secretary, i want to shift gears and ask you about what we heard from president biden in the state of the union and since then, the white house cracking down on these so-called junk fees. the department of transportation has an effort to get rid of extra fees the airlines have on families who want to sit next to each other. can you compel airlines to comply? and if not, what consequences could they face? >> we start with the simple proposition that when you're flying with your kids, you shouldn't have to pay extra in order to sit next to them. what a lot of parents experience is either they face that fee or there's some desperate negotiation with a gate agent or other passengers on board. look, flying with kids is hard

enough. flying without kids can be hard enough sometimes. we shouldn't allow airlines to do anything that would make it harder. here's what we're doing. we put up information that makes it very clear for passengers which airlines are meeting the standard we have proposed of allowing anybody under 13 to be seated with their parent at no extra cost. since we put out that call, three airlines have joined. they're going to be getting green checkmarks on our airline customer service dashboard. those are alaska, american and frontier. we're calling on all of the airlines to do the same. to be clear, we are also taking steps to require this. one thing i've found repeatedly in this job is that the regulatory and rule-making process as a legal matter takes a very long time. i don't want to wait on that process to finish to get the changes now, which is why our message to the airlines is we've made this now transparently clear to the public. we want you to guarantee in

writing in a way our department can enforce with fines for violations that you're going to do this. again, those three airlines have said yes. we hope all ten out of the top ten airlines say yes. we're going to keep pushing them to do that. it can't some soon enough for parents who have that sometimes very frustrating experience when flying with their kids. >> secretary of transportation pete buttigieg thanks for your time this morning, we appreciate it. >> thank you. we are getting new video of a tense situation that unfolded on board a passenger flight from los angeles to boston over the weekend. a massachusetts man is in jail this morning after authorities say he tried to open the emergency exit during a flight and tried to stab a flight attendant in the neck with a broken metal spoon. no one on board was seriously hurt. 33-year-old francisco torres was

immediately taken into custody when the plane landed in boston, now facing federal charges. he's currently being held without bail. the faa will be holding a safety summit next week following a strength of incidents on american passenger flights. retired captain sully sullenberger had this warning about the recent safety scares. >> they should concern us. they're indications, as good of a job as we've done in this complex system, there's always improvements that can be made and we still have work to do. >> joining us now with more, tom costello is live at reagan national airport in washington. good morning, tom. >> reporter: good morning. captain sully called these instances a canary in coal mine.

we've had these midair turbulence issues with people injured, one woman killed. we've had the engine exploding because it ingested a bird, emergency landing in cuba. this all has the faa concerned, calling this aviation summit to drill down on safety that's coming next week. after months of high-profile close calls, the bird strike and engine fire on that southwest flight over cuba has put a lot of people on edge. >> people were screaming not knowing what to do. we kept trying to breathe. it was filling up with more smoke. >> reporter: thankfully, the plane landed safely back in havana. if you lose an engine or a computer system, you have multiple fail safes, right? >> absolutely. you've got two to three systems to back each other up for each system. >> reporter: mark weiss is a former american airlines captain. >> the airplanes are certified

to fly on one engine. >> reporter: the emergency landing in cuba followed two cases of severe in-flight turbulence. on thursday 55-year-old dana hide killed on a private jet that had severe turbulence. and multiple close calls including this one in burbank california. austin, texas. >> cancel takeoff clearance. >> and honolulu. and that jet that went into a steep nose dive in september, coming within 800 feet of slamming into the ocean. pilots, controllercontrollers, and regulators will meet next week. >> i want to hear what they're

seeing in their own operations and i want specific ideas about how to enhance our safety net with concrete action. >> reporter: the pressing question, are these a string of coincidences, or is there an ongoing safety issue that needs to be addressed now? ntsb chief jennifer hom mandy. >> we need to focus on what's going on in the aviation system. let's take a pause and figure out what are we missing here. >> reporter: we talked about that sixth runway incursion. we're learning this was in sarasota. the ntsb says air traffic control cleared a plane to land on a runway that another plane had just been cleared to take off from. we've had a couple of these cases so far this year. the ntsb says this sounds like an air traffic control error. >> too many close calls. i want to go back to the story

of this man on a flight from los angeles to boston, attempting to open the door, attempting to stab a flight attendant. what do we know about him and what happened? >> reporter: this started with an alert in the cockpit that one of the doors somebody had tried to open or at least the lever had been moved. that set off an alarm in the cockpit. they called the flight at attendants to check the door. another passenger said this guy right here attempted to open the door. they confronted him. he got up and took a spoon that he'd broken in half and stabbed the flight attendant, attempted to stab her in the neck.

other passengers ran to her aid, jumped on the suspect, held him down until they landed in boston and he was arrested. if convicted, he could face life in prison. he's got a history that would suggest some mental illness. >> passengers do not hesitate anymore to step in. tom costello, thank you so much. we appreciate it. coming up, teacher shortages already were a problem before the pandemic. now hope is fading in some school districts that staph -- staffing levels will improve. and we'll have an update on pennsylvania senator john fetterman who is receiving treatment for clinical depression. r clinical depression

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school districts across the country are struggling to staff classrooms as the number of educators leaving the profession is leading to a growing teacher shortage nationwide. nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk joins us live in the studio. it is so troubling for this country. >> it really is, willie. you know, the beginning of this year they were hoping that things would get better after a tough stretch during the pandemic. unfortunately, these numbers tell a different story. not only is it not getting better, in some places it's getting worse. across the country fed-up teachers, many tired of long hours and low pay, are calling it quits. in one virginia county, they are

hoping a $3,000 bonus will keep teachers from leaving the job. but they're down more than 150 teachers. it's a similar story in school districts across the country. new numbers from eight states show how tough things are getting. last school year maryland and louisiana saw the highest number of resignations in a decade. in washington state, it was the highest number in three decades. >> when everything shut down during covid, that was my first year in the classroom. >> angela tillson resigned last december. >> there's only so much you can do as one person in the overload of work. >> it sounds like you reached a breaking point. >> yes, i did. >> like many, she shared her story online. there are a mix of reasons. >> i am not going to miss unreasonable class sizes. i am not going to miss 23-minute

lunch breaks. >> children are struggling academically. then there's the pay. >> today was my last day as a teacher. i'd like to think it's just a pause, but i don't know right now. >> a town in new jersey sent out flyers to inspire people to help. three retired teachers returned to the job, but the district still has vacancies. >> it seems that we hit the pinnacle of shortages this year. >> the key, educators say, is getting young college students to choose the profession. >> our message to them is you couldn't ask for a more noble field. if you really want to make an impact, this is where it's to be done. >> there are state legislators who are trying to take action, proposing more money for teachers. they're also using some of that covid relief money that's

available, but that's temporary. >> if you have a teacher in your family or you just have kids, you know how hard teachers work, the hours they put in, buying their own supplies. that's been going on for a long time. it really makes you worry about a future. what are some solutions beyond those bonuses we see in some states to retain teachers or encourage teachers to get into this profession? >> there are some creative plans to talk about mentorship. a lot of the vacancies are in places that are difficult to live, a lot of inner city school systems. you also have to go into colleges and say this is a great profession, join it. since the '70s the numbers of people enrolling in education as a major have dropped. now because of covid, it's scary

how few people are interested. >> could you talk about the loss of so many younger teachers and the fact that all teachers are playing catchup because of the pandemic years. >> you have young teachers who sign up and go, hang on a second during the pandemic, this isn't what i signed up for. they get burnt out really fast then they're gone. teachers who are left have to pick up the slack. they aren't getting paid that well, their hours get longer and it just gets tougher. kids are behind academically and they're also struggling emotionally. >> we hear from the white house, the first lady is a teacher herself. is there anything at the federal level that could help? >> it's money.

you hear it from every single teacher, we just aren't paid enough. the young woman i spoke to in this piece had to live with her parents. she didn't have enough money to pay rent. she had to live with her parents. she had $100,000 in student debt and she just couldn't swing it. ultimately you have to support these people financially. >> in a country this rich, we have to pay our teachers better than we do. still ahead, comedians nick kroll and ike barren holtz join us. d ike barren holtz join us my active psoriatic arthritis can slow me down. now, skyrizi helps me get going by treating my skin and joints. along with significantly clearer skin, skyrizi helps me move

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can remotely monitor their vital signs. the data can be securely shared with doctors and nurses to help enable a hospital at home program. your thoughts? >> i don't know that i'm going to call a place for health care that i'm getting an iphone from. lego's revenue has jumped 17%. the toymaker raked in $9.3 billion last year. the company's ceo attributed the boost to a stronger demand for bigger, complicated sets as well as theme sets for harry potter and "star wars" that appeal to a wide audience. a real grab bag of news there. >> my kids are responsible somewhat for the lego sales. they do like the "star wars" lego sets.

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brooks and a new generation of comedians putting their spin on history with an eight-episode hulu series titled "history of the world part 2." here's a clip. >> and adolph hitler not giving the performance he hoped for tonight. >> the master race isn't looking so masterful. >> it really hurts when you fall on the ice like that. >> absolutely trish. let's go to the floor and see some scores. >> here he is with his long time coach and his new bride. they are throwing things about him in the audience. >> here are the scores. >> wow. >> wow. >> wow. as expected, it's a festival of zeros except for the french. >> cut it off right there. >> wow. >> joining us now two of the

show's producers, writers and stars the great nick kroll and ike barinholtz. we've been waiting so long for this. good to see you. >> thank you for showing a hitler clip, by the way. it's always fun to have hitler open for you. >> nick, let's go to how this came about. obviously mel brooks is a touchstone for so many people in comedy. he calls you, is that the way it happened? >> yeah. i got a call that mel was interested in doing "history of the world part 2" and if i wanted to help make it. it was the fastest yes ever, besides doing "morning joe," of course. >> good catch. >> so i called wanda sykes to produce it with me and then ike barinholtz and his writing partner dave stasen.

that clip from our show is a callback to the original hitler on ice in the original film that mel made. we got to go into the dailies in the archives and pull the actual clip of him skating. we pulled that moment where he falls. >> which is historically accurate. that's what happened in the 1936 olympics. >> he did it in the summer olympics. >> that's why they switched it to the winter olympics after that. it makes sense. >> the fertile ground of which moment in history do you want to take, which other actors can we pull in to do it. must have been so fun. >> as nick was asking me, in my mind i was going to do a civil war story. i could not say yes fast enough.

we just got a list of killers, jack black, dove cameron. you guys love dove cameron. you love her music. >> i grew up with her. [ laughter ] >> it was a reunion of a bunch of friends. i'm going to tell a quick story. our still photographer is this guy named aaron. he said he went to see his doctor. his doctor asked him what are you working on. he said "history of the world part 2." the doctor took his glasses off and said when i was a young boy in iran, a man would come with a suitcase with vhs tapes and one of those was "history of the world part 1." my brother and i watched it. >> doing it for him. >> try to describe, if you can, the writer's room for this project. >> well, it was over zoom largely because we were writing this in the middle of the

pandemic. >> mostly prisoners. >> yes. we got an incredible group of writers to come in and sculpt this show. mel would participate. the scariest thing is trying to write material and present it to mel because he was involved at every stage. we did a read-through of a bunch of sketches. mel came on and said, i liked the musical numbers, because you can't do a mel brooks project without musical numbers. he liked the musical numbers and he liked some of the reads. >> chilling. >> he said at the end, we're going to get some letters about this and that's good. he's still talking about letters. >> we get the idea. >> it speaks to a larger thing about what mel wanted out of the show, which is to continue to be provocative. mel brooks' work is always provocative, but always silly as well. that was a goal for us, to make

something that was very funny and social satire but never taking itself too seriously. >> when he said letters, that proved he's actually 98. >> he did say, don't be afraid to make dirty jokes. we took that to heart. absolutely disgusting. >> let's watch another clip where nick offers his interpretation of judas. >> so what do you think of the show? >> not for me. >> well, jesus loved it. >> please. jesus loves everything. he's just looking for followers. >> look at jesus over there. absolutely wolfing down that bacon cheeseburger. >> that's not coacher. none of the food here is coacher. >> oh please, let him sin. >> hold the [ bleep ] phone. i just aid a bacon wrapped scallop and baby back ribs. you mean to tell me none of that

is kosher? i'm livid. as a jew, i'm livid! you know what? i'm going to plotz. >> i can understand why. something is going on with this jesus guy. he's trying to phase out his judaism. >> obviously a nod to larry david there. >> just a small nod. >> little hat tip. >> very subtle. >> you'll get some letters. how did the process go to pick which historical figures to represent? there's shakespeare, ras putin, singing stalin played by jack black. talk to us about how that came about. >> we had ideas who we wanted to do. i wanted to play u.s. grant. we wanted to do a huge russian revolution story line. wanda wanted to play shirley

chisholm. writer's room with shakespeare where he's a nightmare boss. let's get josh gad. perfect. >> tie kauai tee tee plays freud and his master class. it's finding the al chemical mee of a funny character. cube la kahn and marco polo. >> he does a commercial for kahncestry.com. we tried to take a historical person or situation and say how can we make this very stupid. i think we succeeded most of the time. >> one of the great strokes of genius, george wallace, the great comedian playing -- >> george wallace, the governor

from alabama. [ laughter ] >> it's too good. >> yeah. >> it's so good. your fans will be happy to know there's a little bit tucked away in the show. >> that's it. >> i know "morning joe" fans, the crossover is massive. >> oh, was that just me? >> it's kind of incredible when you think back to the original carl reiner/mel brooks 2,000-year-old man and the root of this has grown and stuff like this and more, much more. >> mel's influence on all of us is a huge. it made casting the show a beca call up johnny knoxville, johnny called us and was, like, hey, i'm a huge mel brooks fan, if you need anything -- i was, like, great, well, then, he should be rasputin because who else would try to -- people try

to kill as much as rasputin, johnnyknoxville, so we did jack rasp. it is filled with people like that, sarah silverman was like, if you need anything at all, we were able to cast the show. >> if we don't win a kennedy center honor for the show, we have failed. >> you're on your way. before we let you go, we have to congratulate this man, he is the newly crowned champion of "celebrity jeopardy". >> thank you very much. >> what is what? >> what is thank you, willy. >> we were watching, i said, look at ike go. you're on the tournament of champions where the stakes only get higher. >> yeah. >> johnny gilbert retires, i think -- >> that was my audition tape. nailed it. congrats on the series. it is so funny. the first four episodes of "history of the world, part ii" are streaming now on hulu. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." >> thanks. k with more "morning joe." >> thanks.

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being with us today. that does it for now. mika, an incredible week from abu dhabi. we'll be here all week. and tomorrow, international women's day. your lineup -- forbes has been going around saying that this is, what do they say? >> the greatest global women's event ever. >> yeah, the greatest global gathering of women ever. you look at the list, it really is. talk about tomorrow and especially what our friends that watch "morning joe" are going to see at 7:00 a.m. >> yeah, we have an incredible conversation, i'll be bringing them about on my social media, bring you into it, across the board, mentoring, cross cultural, multigenerational incredible women. at 7:00 eastern time tomorrow morning, tune in, right here to "morning joe," we're going to have an iconic conversation with legend in women's rights, billie jean king, gloria steinem, hillary rodham clinton will moderate the conversation with

me, we'll bring in the first lady of ukraine who will join us for the conversation. it is a big deal, it is tomorrow morning live on "morning joe" 7:00 eastern time. >> big deal. >> yeah. that does it for us this morning. lindsey reiser picks up the coverage after a short break. lindsey reiser picks up the coverage after a short break

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