♪♪ good to be with you, i'm katy tur. two of the four americans who were kidnapped in mexico on friday are now back in the united states, according to american officials. the other two are dead. and the u.s. says it is in the process of trying to repatriate

their remains. here is spokesperson ned price at the state department just a moment ago. >> i understand we may have more so share from the fbi at the appropriate time. but from the department of state it's important for us not to impinge on investigative equities especially in an investigation that implicates the kidnapping of four americans, the death of two americans and two americans who survived what by all accounts must have been a traumatic experience. >> there are still so many questions about why these americans were targeted. they just only crossed the border from brownsville, texas, to mexico when their car came under fire. in newly-confirmed video of the incident, you can see a group of unknown men, believed to be connected to a cartel attack the car and drag the americans on to the flat bed of a pickup.

two appear to be bleeding badly. we do have source reporting on what the u.s. officials -- officials in the u.s. believe could be the motive. and statements from the family about why the americans were going to mexico in the first place. we also have questions about what this incident will mean for u.s./mexico relations. after all, this attack happened on a busy road, the middle of the day, just feet from the u.s. border and no one in the video appears to have tried to intervene. so how exactly does this happen? and what can the u.s. do to seek justice? joining me now from brownsville, texas, is nbc news correspondent morgan chesky, also with us is nbc news white house correspondent mike memoli. morgan, first to you. what do we know about these four americans? and do we know the identities yet of the two who were deceased? >> reporter: >> yai, we're very much in the process of learning that and awaiting official confirmation

from u.s. officials. we do know where this journey began. according to family members of these victims that were kidnapped, katy. this trip began in south carolina. that is where we're told this group of four traveled from, renting a van with north carolina plates and driving here to brownsville, texas, because, katy, one of their family members said a woman in this group of four wanted to have a cosmetic procedure done just across one of these international bridges in neighboring matamoris. they planned for this to take place on friday. according to federal authorities it was just shortly there after crossing this bridge this van took fire from that group of armed men you mentioned. of course, the video that we have all seen picks up from there, that horrific sight of these armed gunmen, very casually dragging victims, putting them in the back of a white pickup truck and disappearing until we heard that unfortunate update from authorities on both sides of the border confirming two americans

were killed and two are still alive. now, as for those who are still alive, katy, we know that nbc news has briefly spoken to the mother of latavia washington mcgee. this conversation was very brief but she confirmed she had a conversation with her daughter after having been brought back from mexico to the united states. so, encouraging news on that front. we are awaiting to hear the condition of the other individual who was brought back from mexico along with ms. washington mcgee and then as for those two others -- americans who have yet to be repatriated that remain in mexico, we are awaiting official confirmation as to what comes next on that front, katy. >> morgan, underscore where you are right now and how close to where you are that this happened. >> reporter: katy, a handful of bridges from brownsville leading into the neighboring city of

matamoris. we are at one of those bridges as we speak. just a stone's throw across this bridge, according to authorities, is where this van took fire. of course, matamoirs, has been under a level four travel advisory since october of 2022. that means do not travel, period. unfortunately we have now seen the consequences of the random acts of violence that are so prevalent there. i had a chance to speak to residents in brownsville, katy, some feel safe going across, depending upon the areas. others feel like this violence is so indiscriminate as a result of the cartel presence that it has been years since they have visited this neighboring city. keep in mind here, katy, these two communities are hand in hand essentially family lives over there, friend lives just across -- friends live just across this bridge. that's the impact that this violence is having here in this border town. >> and there's some kids in

mexico, who go to school in america and go back in the same day. that's how frequently those bridges are used. mike, memly, it was a level four travel advisory, do not travel for american citizens. >> reporter: it's interesting you mentioned that travel warning. we just had the white house prez briefing wrap up a few minutes ago and had expression of condolences from karine jean-pierre, the press secretary, for the loss of american lives expression of concern and warnings to americans to heed these travel warnings. they're there for a reason. then we also heard earlier today from a spokesperson for the national security council, john kirby, with strong condemnation saying these kinds of attacks on american citizens no matter where or under what circumstances are unacceptable. at this point, katy, the communication, as we understand it, that's been happening between u.s. and mexican officials has been primarily on the law enforcement level. the u.s. ambassador to mexico, ken salazar did meet yesterday with the president of mexico,

andres manuel lopez obrador. but remember, the president just visiting mexico city two months ago. i was on that trip with him. a lot of the focus of that trip was about, of course, migration issues. remember the president stopped at the southern border on his way to mexico city. that dominated at least the reporting around the summit, but we know there has also been expressions of concern by the americans for some time that the mexican government is just not doing enough to crack down on these cartels, to take stronger action against them. the attorney general merrick garland was part of that trip as well. and so there were a number of questions to the white house today about whether they feel that the mexican government should be doing more, whether there will be calls for instance, will the president himself call the mexican president to call for stronger measures to be taking place. at this point all the white house is really focussing on is what measures are in place to prevent criminals from crossing the border without dealing with necessarily the root issue there on the ground in mexico.

>> the brazenness of how this went down, the attack the middle of the day, just spraying that car with bullets and dragging bleeding bodies into the flat bed of a truck. and two other people or two others as well two of the other victims. that's just -- it's eye popping. let's also bring in nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken delain yan. so, ken, the fbi is now it appears taking the lead on this. is that right? that's what it sounded like, according to ned price, when he gave a statement at the state department a little bit earlier. >> yeah, the fbi has jurisdiction because when americans are killed abroad, the fbi can investigate. and what they will do in this case depends entirely on what the mexicans allow. katy, that's a really important question here because the u.s. intelligence community, law enforcement community has very powerful capabilities that they can bring to bear against the cartels, the nsa can eves drop

on all their phone calls, fly drones overhead. the u.s. can do a lot to gather intelligence, more than it can do inside the united states. the dea knows a lot about the gulf cartel. but often the mexicans don't let the americans do everything they can do. it's a tense relationship. mexico is very sensitive about the idea of u.s. law enforcement coming down and operating in their country. there's also a big problem of corruption. there's really very few law enforcement and military units that the u.s. can trust to work with and share intelligence with. but, as i've been talking with people about this inside and outside the u.s. government, since americans were killed in this case in a thing that no one wants to see happen that the mexicans will allow a robust investigation here. they will let the americans bring some capabilities. we're already seeing signs of that because the mexican authorities say they found these americans in part thanks to u.s. intelligence assistance. >> the $50,000 reward, any reason to believe that somebody made a call? or was this just in cooperation with the mexican government?

>> i have no information about that, but that reward seemed to be geared to sort of the average mexican citizen in the street making a call rather than cartel operatives who would have every incentive not to do that regardless of how much money. but, right now what's happening is that u.s. intelligence and the fbi are no doubt using all the surveillance capabilities that they can bring to bear, as long as the mexicans are allowing them to track the phones, to track the vehicles to track those people that may have carried out these killings and to find them and bring them to justice. >> all right. ken, morgan, mike, gentlemen, thank you very much. joining me now, ken was talking about the dea, the former head of the dea's international operations, mike vehill. i lost my teleprompter there and blank on your name. >> no problem. >> mike, so talk to me about the cartels in mexico. i just want to go back to the way that this happened the

middle of the day. is that normal? >> the cartels, katy, in mexico, during the lopez obrador administration have gained and operate with much greater impunity, with much greater brazenness. and you have these cartels that have armies of what we call -- hit men. and they protect the drug routes. they protect their territory. and they're very indiscriminate as to the people that they kill. they don't care. they don't try to identify their targets. they just go in and they're very uneducated people. the only thing they know how to do is to pull the trigger. but in the video that you're showing now where these gunmen are loading these individuals, you notice they're not in any hurry. they are taking their time.

you have vehicles there with people in them trying to get by the cartel truck. and the mexican population, as you notice, have become totally desensitized to the violence that's taking place throughout mexico. and this is the way they operate. they are not afraid of mexico's security forces whatsoever. >> so that's the point that i was trying to get to. just the way that -- you watch that video, the speed that they're working, they're not in a hurry, as you said. everyone is just kind of looking the other way and going about their business, as if this sort of thing happens all the time. i asked mike memoli about relations, u.s./mexico relations, i wonder how this cannot affect relations if the mexican authorities are allowing cartels, believed to be cartels, at least, to operate in a manner like this with such impunity.

>> the thing is that when lopez obrador came into power, he indicated that he was going to minimize violence. and in his mind, he figured if he didn't confront the cartels, that they would get the message and not create violence, but the exact opposite has happened, katy. and the lopez obrador administration is going to be the bloodiest or six-year term in the history of mexico. so what you have now is you're not -- for example, after the arrest of the exsecretary of defense fuegas in 2020, lopez obrador limited alcohol, tobacco

and firearms and said we could only provide the mexican government with information. when we can't really do a lot of that because it will compromise investigations, operations, informants, agents, he took away diplomatic immunity, given the fact that u.s. agents have to operate in a very very hostile environment. and then the other thing that he did is he asked all american can officials if you have any contact with dea, fbi, you have to write a report. well now they're not going to start taking calls if they have to write a report each time that we call them, for example, you know, it could be 10, 20 times a day and what is that going to do? that's going to basically stifle tactical operations in the event we have information that an aircraft is coming in from colombia into southern mexico and we can't get ahold of anybody, that is going down the

tubes. so, there's tremendous limitations and the mexican government, they said they can do this on their own and they can't. i would say that every significant operation that has taken place in mexico from the last several decades, that information comes from u.s. law enforcement agencies. >> mike vigil, thank you for helping me understand what has been just the sticking point for me, just how this can happen the middle of the day and the problems in trying to counteract this sort of violence the problems that the american government has in trying to work with the mexican government in this way. go ahead. >> and katy, i think that americans have to be really, really careful when they go into mexico anymore. they have to look at state department advisory. they have to be really cautious. they can't waltz into mexico because, you know, all of mexico

pretty much is in flames with violence from the northern tip of mexico to the southern areas. and you have cartels that control wide swaths of territory, and the mexican government is doing very little to counter that. >> mike vigil, again, thank you very much for joining us. still ahead, tucker carlson cherry picked from 44,000 hours of security video from january 6th to try to, quote, prove the insurrection was actually a peaceful protest. mitch mcconnell is now weighing in on this. we'll tell you what he said. plus, governor ron desantis gave his state of the state address in florida. what one republican lawmaker, though, did right before the speech and how desantis might respond. also, it will be bad. moody's analytics has weighed in on what will happen if the country defaults on its debt.

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florida governor ron desantis delivered a state of the state address adding so-called woke agenda and florida's, quote, battle for freedom but replaced the word florida with united states and you would have the makings of a 2024 campaign stump speech. >> we have made florida the nation's most desired destination. and we have produced historic results. but now is not the time to rest on our lorels. we have the opportunity and indeed the responsibility to swing for the fences so we can ensure florida remains number one. don't worry about the chattering class. ignore all the background noise. keep the compass set to true north. we will stand strong. we will hold the line. we won't back down. and i can promise you this, you

ain't seen nothing yet. >> senior political editor, mark murray. mark, you heard a lot of speeches in your day from people who say they don't know if they're running for president. what did this sound like to you? >> this sounds like somebody who is definitely running for president. and, of course, katy, this doesn't occur in a vacuum at all. you know, you have this state of the state address today. on sunday, you had governor ron desantis addressing the reagan presidential library in california. before that, you had him publishing a new book. he's going to iowa on friday. so you add all this up, yes, this is somebody who is in the likely, likely, likely category of running for president. but really what stands out to me, katy, is that he was providing almost a road map on how he would campaign if and when he does become a full-fledged presidential candidate. very heavy on the social issues. very heavy on his record in

florida. and also what stood out to me, too, katy, is the line that he had today in his speech on florida we don't complain, we don't make excuses, we just get results. and i thought that was a not too subtle jab at former president donald trump where obviously during his four years in the white house we did hear sometimes complaining. we did hear sometimes some excuse making. and it does seem that ron desantis wants to stake out ground, hey, i'm going to be with you where donald trump was on the policies. i'm going to be without some of that drama that came with him. >> he said a similar thing at the reagan library, which again was a not so subtle dig at donald trump. i'm going to put up florida's legislative to-do list, that's coming for this legislative season. prohibits majors gender studies, expanding a prohibition on teaching sexual orientation and gender identity through the eighth grade, ending permitting requirements to carry a gun,

increasing funding to send migrants to other states, making it easier to impose the death penalty, potentially repealing the resign to run law, which would allow him to remain governor while he runs for president. a lot of this is very divisive stuff in the rest of the country. might work in florida or get through that legislature there. but it's not exactly a unity platform for general election. how do you think that plays, given what we have seen in 2018, 2020 and 2022? >> katy, it's a reflection of where a lot of republican party, not the entire party, but a lot of the republican party is today. very heavy on culture. very heavy on the value stuff. a big departure from 20 years ago a similar george w. bush when he was texas governor giving his state of the state address, hey, i want lower taxes and we want to basically leave no child left behind when it comes to education. we're in a far different place.

but katy, i do kind of wonder if this does create an avenue for another republican. again, i do think that most of the republican party is where donald trump and ron desantis are, but if there is a republican who wants to kind of go back to, hey, i'm just here for the low taxes, not a whole lot of drama, can we end up having some civility here or there? maybe that is a smaller segment of the republican party, but that is a potential lane for another non-trump, non-desantis republican presidential candidate to be able to have. >> interesting variable here is what will the banks do with a ron desantis presidency? jamie dimon just today was talking about how great a state florida is, how great texas is, how great it is to do business there and open up bank branchs there. he's talking about moving a lot of the company over there. what is the banking industry do, the financial sector do with a ron desantis presidency alongside all of these extreme social positions? that's an open question.

i do want to ask you one other thing about the state's abortion been. it's at 15 weeks right now, down from 24. and now there's a proposal from one lawmaker toak happened righ before this speech. would ron desantis sign that? >> yeah. he actually was asked about this in a press conference afterward. he seemed receptive but it wasn't definitive, katy. yes, this is where, you know, if ron desantis has to actually come up with whether he signs or not a six-week abortion ban into law, would be a really big event heading into a presidential contest. as for your other question about banks and the business community and ron desantis, there is -- florida is synonymous with lower taxes, but his fight with disney i think is interesting on how corporate america might end up receiving a ron desantis presidential bid and ron desantis presidency. >> mark murray, thank you for joining us. coming up with the chief

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i think it's [ bleep ] when you see police barricades breached, when you see police officers assaulted, all of that, or you had to be in close proximity to it, if you were just a tourist, you should have probably lined up at the visitor center and came in on an orderly basis. i don't think it's helpful. >> kevin mccarthy gave tucker carlson 44,000 hours of january 6th surveillance and security footage. carlson has taken all of that footage and edited down to a handful of clips he says proves the insurrection was actually just a peaceful protest.

>> they were peaceful. they were orderly and meek. these were not insurrectionists, they were sight seers. footage from inside the capitol overturns the story you've heard about january 6th. protesters queue up in neat little lines. they give each other tours outside the speaker's office. they take cheerful selfies and they smile. they're not destroying the capitol. they obviously revere the capitol. >> it is b.s., as you just heard republican thom tillis say. at least 1,000 people have been arrested on charges related to the insurrection. more than half of them have pleaded guilty to federal crimes. about a third of them have been charged with assaulting or impeding police. roughly 400 have been sentenced to prison time. that's just so far. carlson also claims he found video of officer brian sicknick. >> here is surveillance footage of sicknick walking in the capitol after he was supposedly murdered by the mob outside.

by all appearances, sicknick is healthy and vigorous. he's wearing a helmet, so it's hard to -- >> it's unclear how carlson and his team determined this was sicknick. it's unclear why this proves sicknick was fine. he was pepper sprayed by at least two rioters who pleaded guilty to doing it and he died a day later from a series of stroke. a d.c. medical examiner ruled that what happened that day contributed to his death. joining me now, is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ally vitale and "new york times" reporter, jeremy peters. we all saw what happened in realtime. not in the cherry-picked, edited down version of what tucker carlson presented last night. but what happened in realtime from cameras that were independent from those security cameras. but we saw on the steps what we saw inside as well, the broken windows, the hand to hand combat with police officers, it's just

not at all what tucker carlson is portraying. and i know that there are a number of people on capitol hill, not just democrats, but republicans included who are saying that this is outrageous, b.s. as thom tillis put it, ali vitale and heard mitch mcconnell weigh in. what did he say. >> reporter: mcconnell wasn't as colorful. put him in the camp of the capitol police who say what carlson did last night and will continue to do on this week with his show is cherry picking and not at all in line with the reality of what happened on january 6th. here is the senate minority leader just about an hour ago. >> with regard to the presentation on fox news last night, i want to associate myself entirely with the opinion of the chief of the capitol police about what happened on

january 6th. >> reporter: and what he's saying there when he says i want to align myself with tom manger, the head of the capitol police, because manger sent to his employees today to rank and file cops up here, a letter about what tucker showed on his show last night. saying that this was cherry picked material, and that it is, of course, not in line with what they experienced on that day and what all of us saw in that footage which wasn't shown on carlson last night, the violent images. we have also seen, though, officers who were injured that day, tweeting pictures of their injuries, saying that this was the result, not of peaceful tourist visits, but of an actual insurrection here at the capitol that we saw not just play out in realtime in the very halls that i'm standing in, but in multiple hearings from the january 6th committee. i do think, katy, the other important piece of this, too, the piece about whitewashing the january 6th insurrection, but then there's also the piece on security and the ways that carlson's show did not give

capitol police a chance to say, hey, this actually compromises some security paths here in the capitol. please don't air that. it's different than what the january 6th committee did, which is basically run the footage that they wanted to use by the capitol police. that's another thing here that has people concerned, not just on the front of democracy but on the security front here for just how basic things work here in the capitol. >> jeremy, fox is the middle of a lawsuit with dominion for purposefully lying about dominion voting machines and the election being stolen. then this is another example of fox news airing -- allowing one of their hosts to go on and lie, lie about something that we all saw happen in realtime. >> reporter: and we know, katy, from the documents released so far in that lawsuit against fox news, just how deeply shaken many of the people were, hosts, executives, producers at fox after seeing what happened on january 6th. so, for tucker carlson then to

turn around and tell his audience that this was nothing more than a cheerful sightseeing tour is incredibly disingenuous and i don't see how it helps their case at all. in fact, what it does is re-enforce what we've already learned from the defamation lawsuit which is that fox was willing to tell its audience one story on the news that it broadcast everyday after the election for a number of weeks, but behind the scenes, its executives and hosts many of them knew that what they were telling their audience wasn't true. and i think that the reason you're seeing so many republicans break with this kind of pro-trump wing of the party, which, of course, january 6th denialism is, is they experienced this personally themselves. they were hustled out of the senate chamber and locked down in secure rooms while literally

running for their lives. and you just can't forget that. i mean, some members of congress on the republican side clearly have. they likely to forget it. from the day of the riot, they said, oh, this was antifa, all a ruse. don't believe it. but i think for a good bulk of these republicans, that experience is still so raw and was so traumatic that even though it might be more politically expedient for them not to say something, they felt compelled to say something because it just still shakes them so deeply. >> how do republicans in the senate feel about kevin mccarthy, ali? >> reporter: look, when you ask mitch mcconnell about it, some of our reporter colleagues did, he didn't engage on the question of if mccarthy did the wrong thing here by providing this footage in the first place to tucker carlson. but again, it depends which side of the building you're on here because we have heard criticism of the way that this footage was used last night. the fashion with which it was given to tucker carlson and not every other mied ya

organization. mccarthy's office i should note eventually will get it. 44,000 hours of footage is a lot of footage and carlson's show had a lot of lead time on sifting through this and putting out what they clearly want to put out about it. so on the senate side of this building, republicans are clearly feeling a little bit more free in criticizing the way that this is happening right now and also doubling down on what actually happened on january 6th. but i have hear dozens of republican lawmakers that i have spoken to in the last few weeks, katy, on this side of the building, the house side of the building, who wanted this video out, who pressured mccarthy to give it to carlson, who think that fox news is the right place and the right people to put this kind of narrative out there, however false that it is because it speaks to a republican base that does not want to see this as an insurrection and still believes that the 2020 election was stolen. so, different permission structures on different sides of this building, even within the same party. >> ali vitale, jeremy peters,

thank you very much. and mark zand-y, chief economist just issued a grave warning to the senate banking committee's sub committee on economic policy. in written testimony, he predicted this -- a catastrophe could fall a default gdp would fall by 4%, 7 million jobs would lost, the unemployment rate would shoot to over 8% and $10 trillion of household wealth would be lost. he says it can all be avoided if congress acts to raise the debt limit. but the current brinkmanship on the house floor snot giving economists any reason for hope as house republicans continue to demand spending cuts, deep ones, in exchange for their vote. joining me now is nbc news business and data reporter brian chung. all right, so zandy was crystal clear, it would be terrible, even if we defaulted for a day, it would be bad. if we defaulted for months because they're still arguing

about it, it would be catastrophic. >> yeah. it was underscored by what we heard from even the federal reserve chairman jay powell earlier this morning who said it would be extraordinarily damaging to our economy if we didn't resolve to raise or suspend the debt ceiling. the reason why that is because not only would it do damage to our ability to operate as an economy here in the united states, but because we're the largest economy in the world, if there is any sort of loss of credit, or confidence in u.s. treasuries, the debt that by the way bondholders around the world are holding deeply, that could actually create an international financial crisis as well. so there's actually something to be said that even mark zandy's prediction understates. it's important it's nebulous the exact day by which the u.s. government might default, the fact that we don't have any sort of debt limit resolution right now threatens that entirely. >> i know they said it could be august 15th. which is a little bit even further back than what yellen was saying and further back than

i think cbo was estimating as well. >> yeah. >> interestingly, zandy didn't say that president biden should capitulate and make cuts in order to avoid this. he said that president biden made the cuts the republicans want, they haven't been specific about their cuts, actually resolve to eliminate the outstanding debt we had, that would also be catastrophic. >> yeah. and we have to remember that the cuts and what to do in terms of the magnitude of our spending is a completely separate discussion from the debt ceiling because the debt ceiling -- >> it's already been approved. >> exactly. >> it's money that was already spent. >> we racked up the bills but you have to pay it now. so you can't undue the spending that's been done. whether or not there were or weren't cuts in previous spending packages is mute the debt we can accumulate to pay off those bills. so august 15th is the estimate or 18th i believe for mark zandy

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