that's going to be the main event of the day. curious to see how many progressive democrats end up voting for that. >> it's certainly, to your point earlier, the white house and the democrats in congress have been in lock step on just about every issue since the president took the oath of office. it's been interesting to watch a few moments here, flash points on the idea of migrants at the border, as well as crime in d.c. good insight. congressional reporter for d.c. news, max cohen, thank you for joining us this morning. "morning joe" starts right now. last night, millions of americans tuned in to one of the most shameful hours we have ever seen on cable television. speaker mccarthy's decision to share security footage with fox looked like a mistake from the very beginning. but after last night, it looks like a disaster. speaker mccarthy has played a treacherous, a treacherous game

by catering to the hard right. conduct like theirs is just asking for another january 6th to happen. >> that's of course chuck schumer, but it's not just democrats who are calling out fox news for trying to down play the violence of january 6th. some republican senators did not hold back their criticism either. we'll have their comments straight ahead. speaker mccarthy making no apologies for his role in all of this. we'll tell you how he is justifying handing over thousands of hours of security video. also ahead, the latest on the kidnapping in mexico that ended with two americans dead and two others in the hospital. plus, federal investigators digging deeper into norfolk southern's safety culture following two train derailments in ohio and a deadly collision yesterday morning in cleveland. good morning, welcome to "morning joe," it is wednesday, march 8th. it is international women's day, and mika is getting ready for her big event in our next hour, including a conversation with

hillary clinton, joe. >> it's going to be just an absolutely fascinating conversation. mika is calling it her iconic conversations, international women's day has started out today in an extraordinary way in abu dhabi. they have been getting together. panels have been meeting throughout the day. women from 50 countries from all four corners of the world coming here in what many call the cross roads of the world. in about 15 minutes now, mika is going to be on stage for her iconic conversations with hillary clinton, of course former secretary of state. also icon gloria steinem, billie jean king, sports legend, and also a woman who 50 years ago fought and gained pay equality. 50 years ago. just extraordinary. also, madame zelenska who has

been touring around abu dhabi the past day or two, and we're going to find out exactly what's happened there, and what's happening in ukraine, and her efforts not only in ukraine but abu dhabi and across the world, fighting for humanitarian help for her war-torn country. we have all of that and a lot more coming up top of 7:00. >> coming up just about an hour from now, we'll look forward to that. with us this morning the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire, msnbc contributor, our good friend, mike barnicle, and former chairman of the republican national committee and msnbc political analyst, michael steele, let's dive in at the top of the hour. a growing number of republican senators is criticizing fox news, showing select footage from the january 6th insurrection, provided by house speaker kevin mccarthy. that show tried to portray the deadly riot as peaceful, calling

the insurrectionists quote sight seers and lawmakers who suggested otherwise had lied to the american public, alleging some capitol police officers helped the insurrectionists. in a letter obtained by nbc news, capitol police chief tom called the allegations false and ripped fox news for spreading quote offensive and misleading conclusions. manger writes the program cherry picked from the calmer moments of the 41,000 hours of video. it fails to provide context about the chaos and violence that happened before or during heroes less tense moments. he continued quote, the most disturbing accusation from last night was that our late friend and colleague brian sicknick's death had nothing to do with his heroic actions on january 6th. the department maintains as anyone with common sense would that had officer sicknick not fought valiantly for hours on

the day he was assaulted, officer sicknick would not have died the next day. you'll remember the 42-year-old sicknick died of natural causes after the attack on january 6th. washington's chief medical examiner said what happened during the attack played a role in his death. more than 150 officers from a number of agencies suffered injuries on january 6th. a bipartisan senate report found at least seven people including three police officers died in connection with the attack that day. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell reacted at a news conference yesterday following the release of chief manger's letter. >> with regard to the presentation on fox news last night, i want to associate myself entirely with the opinion of the chief of the capitol police about what happened on january 6th. my concern is how it was

depicted, which is a different issue. clearly the chief of the capitol police in my view correctly describes what most of us witnessed firsthand on january 6th. so that's my reaction to it. it was a mistake in my view for fox news depict this in a way that's completely at variance with what our chief law enforcement official here at the capitol thinks. >> it wasn't just leader mcconnell. a handful of other republican senators criticized the move as well. >> i think it's bull. [ bleep ] when you see police barricades breached when you see police officers assaulted, all of that, or you had to be in close proximity to it. if you were a tourist, you should have probably lined up at

the visitor center and came in on an orderly basis. >> i think breaking through the glass windows and doors to get into the united states capitol against police is a crime. i think particularly when you come into the chambers and start opening members' desks and stand up in the balcony, to somehow put that in the same category as a permitted peaceful protest is just a lie. >> it's really sad to see tucker carlson go off the rails that bad. the american people saw what happened on january 6th. they've seen the people that got injured. they saw the damage to the building. you can't hide the truth by selectively picking a few minutes out of tapes and saying this is what went on. it's so absurd. it's nonsense. it's completely placating the base of my party is not the right way forward for the republican party or the country. >> i think what happened on

january 6th was despicable. in america you can believe what you want, but you can't act on it in a way that constitutes violence. >> i mean, i think it was, yeah, it was an attack on the capitol. >> so in order there, it was thom tillis, kevin cramer, mitt romney, john kennedy, and john thune all criticizing fox news. as for speaker mccarthy, he says he does not regret sharing the january 6th footage with fox news, arguing the decision was made, he says for transparency. former president trump as you might imagine weighed in posting on his social media site, praising fox news, blasting the january 6th committee, and yes, calling for the rioters arrested on january 6th to be released from prison, joe. >> there you go, again, promoting violence, and praising those who committed violence

against cops. this is once again the abandonment of the blue. once again, the abandonment of police officers. you can't say the republican party. this is a segment of the republican party. in the house, especially, that are trying to grant absolution by lying about those people, those rioters that beat the hell out of police officers. how many police officers were savagely attacked on this day, injuries lined up. so what an insult, but again, i almost hate to bring politics up here because it just -- this is such a serious breach by kevin mccarthy to release security footage. it's outrageous, and it's dangerous, and it encourages -- all of this encourages the next

attack. politically, just for one second, americans aren't going to back a faction of a party that support violence against police officers. americans aren't going to support a faction of a party that support riots on january 6th. and the overturning of a peaceful presidential election. and for kevin mccarthy to think anything less than that. it's outrageous, so michael, what is the fallout of this eventually? >> so i would disagree with you, joe. americans have backed an insurrectionist party. they reelected them to power in november. so, you know, this is what, you know, i would certainly among many warning about going into the 2022 election cycle. if kevin mccarthy is not speaker of the house, he's not beholden to marjorie taylor greene and this faction in a way these clips would never be released.

that's the consequence of our voting people into power who are anti-democratic. who are narcissistic, very much like trump in the sense that their own self-interest is the prevailing interest. i agree with you that you would think on paper that the american people wouldn't do this. and you layer on top of this and the upcoming election cycle, any downturn in the economy, i don't know, a tick up in gas prices or inflation or some other event. this issue gets suppressed. that's what these folks are counting on. that's their base bet that at the end of the day, we get into this thing, donald trump is railing against the system, we can also talk about the failed, you know, policies at the border, which will be a huge issue and a lot of these folks out here will go that's more important than the fear or

concern i have about putting these people back in power because once they get back in power, where is the border policy? where's the health care policy? where's the transportation policy? it's not there. but you know what is. giving tucker carlson what he wants, giving him an exclusive, you know, anti-democratic, we're going to drill down on the weaponization of government. i mean, so this is what we're getting here. let's stop pretending you're going to get anything different. when you give the power back to the people, the fomented insurrection, what the hell do you think you're going to get the next day, more of that. >> and we played to the long ron desantis of republican senators who criticized the move to release that video, and for fox news to play edited versions. josh hawley cheered the

insurrectionists before he was seen jogging out of there, yes, i'm for this. this exposes the lie is what josh hawley said about what happened that day, despite the fact we all watched it happen on live tv. >> a desperate attempt to down play and whitewash the events of one of the darkest days in our nation's history, and i think it's also important to think of the backdrop to this. this comes at the same time, because of a lawsuit by dominion voting, we're learning about the inner workings and innermost thoughts of fox news personalities, including the host who released this about the election. we know in the days after the election, they privately con seeded that trump's claims of election fraud were bogus. there wasn't anything there. we know on january 6th itself they condemned the violence in realtime. they knew that they were saying, they were spouting lies to the american people about the election. we know even, mike barnicle, they were sharing, jared kushner and rupert murdoch were having conversations about biden

campaign advertising strategy, which raises a whole host of questions to what the white house would do for a recess election bid. and this text message came out last night from the host broadcasting the january 6th footage. he, on january 4th, two days before the riot texted this to an associate quote, we are very very close to being able to ignore trump most nights. i hate him passionately, and yet, here we are. he's doing his bidding again. >> yeah, i agree with joe to a certain point. this is no longer about politics. this darkness, this constant deception, this fraud that's coming out of one particular tv network, it's about us. it's about america. it's about who we are. it's about where we're going. and the idea that one particular unit of the republican party, not all of it, is led by a man

who says i am your retribution. look up the meaning of the word retribution. is that what he thinks this country is all about? anger, divisiveness, danger, constant threats, the destruction of the news media in effect, lies here, truth here. democracy here. anarchy here. this isn't going away. what we hear from one particular candidate, donald trump. what we see on tv, that happened. what you're looking at now happened. all of us here know people who were there that day. they were frightened. they were in danger. elected officials as well as ordinary people working on capitol hill. their lives were placed in peril.

i don't know how many people out there watching this morning have had, even for a moment, their life placed in peril. you remember it. you live with it. and the idea that it's twisted now is just another aspect of who are we, where are we going and what are we going to believe. >> and ask the cop at the bottom of the pile if it was all a lie as he was beaten. officer within inches of his life. he had a stroke, and started thinking about his own children. we got a new poll yesterday out of new hampshire. look at this, this is an emerson poll, so for the wishful thinking about ron desantis who's the savior that's going to turn the party against donald trump. donald trump, 58%, ron desantis, 17%. chris sununu at 7%. what does that number tell you,

michael steele, other than this guy, not only is he not going away, he is the prohibitive favorite to be the republican nominee? >> donald trump hasn't even engaged in this political cycle yet, what's he done? what's he done? a few tweets here and there, oh, went to cpac, okay, he hasn't really engaged. he hasn't taken in the base. he hasn't gone out amongst them on a constant regular basis, and he's sitting at 58% in new hampshire. these folks are running around here talking about we're going to take donald trump out, how? you're going to take him out to your nearest bar where everyone in the room is going to applaud and stand up. then what are you going to do. we saw the footage, you know, where fox is in the morning asking people, oh, you know, thinking this is all going to be a desantis thing. and everybody like trump, even the woman wearing the desantis

t-shirt was like, yeah, trump. so, i mean, that's what the party has to face, that's its reality. and i go back to the baseline question for everyone thinking about getting in this race including nikki haley is already in it. when are you going to take him out, what are you going to do, go toe to toe and tell him to shut up and sit down. i got this. we are not an authoritarian antidemocratic party. we are a democracy, pro free enterprise, marketplace driven. freedom based party. we're going to go in that direction. y'all want to come with me, follow me. but who's going to do that? not desantis. he's at 17%. haley is at 4. yeah, numbers change, willie, they go up and down, but whether you're starting at 58%, and everybody else is double digits behind, and the base is giving you -- this is important, the base is showing you no signs moving off of that 58%.

all right. so now we just prepare for donald trump versus joe biden. >> and, john, if you're ron desantis or another candidate thinking about getting in the race, and you're looking at poll numbers like that, there has to be some discussion of it's just not worth it this time. this guy is too big of a force in this party. ron desantis is touring the country with his book, making his speech at the reagan library. he's talking national themes for sure, and maybe he does dazzle a bunch of people, and give donald trump a run for his money. you have to believe he looks at the numbers and the strength he has, and say maybe i'll look at next time. >> there are some in the republican party who say ron desantis, why don't you look to 2028 when trump's off the board. this week, i think, is the moment we're going to look back upon. this did begin the 2024 republican primary field, mike, and donald trump is way, way, way ahead. he is ramping up his campaign. he's going to iowa on monday,

the machine is starting to move. the moment that michael referenced on fox news, that diner wasn't any diner, that was a dinner in desantis's old district in florida, and i got to say, you know, the reason why the fox news prime time host can show this stuff to whitewash january 6th is he knows his viewers are with trump. they believe him, they still have the base and we can play as many videos we want of republican senators, condemning what fox news is doing, and yet to a man they have all said if trump's the nominee, i'll support them again. >> literally it's a captive audience. to michael's point about when will someone step up in the republican party, running for president against him, take him on. i reference you back to a clip from one of the debates between, i think, maybe the only debate between joe biden and donald trump, when joe biden was sitting in a chair, trump was

carrying on, and joe looked at him and said will you shut up, and the look on trump's face in that split second, i can remember it was like he was stunned, classic, classic bully. hit him, just hit him. and keep hitting him. guaranteed something will happen. and not to his positive effect. >> and no one's doing that. he doesn't respect weakness. >> you shut up, i was talking to you just then. >> that was a direct shot at me. a busy morning ahead, still ahead, the latest developments on the kidnapping of four americans in mexico with two survivors now back on american soil with new details emerging about the victims. plus, the latest on the fighting in ukraine as russian troops appear to advance in a key eastern city. retired four star admiral james stavridis joins us with his analysis. a live report from israel amid a string of deadly military

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two americans who were kidnapped in mexico are back in the united states this morning, but two others were killed. we're learning now more about the victims and why they made that trip, what exactly happened there. nbc news national correspondent gabe gutierrez has details. >> reporter: the two americans who survived a brazen kidnapping are back on u.s. soil after a harrowing few days. latavia washington mcgee seen here in an ambulance is among the survivors, her mother who spoke with us directly told nbc news, the victims dragged under this white pickup truck. the fbi says gunman opened fire on the group shortly after they crossed the texas border.

authorities confirmed two of the americans had been killed. >> we extend our deepest condolences to the family and loved ones of the deceased. >> mcgee was joined by her cousin shaeed woodard, and james brown woods to mexico. what a law enforcement official familiar with the matter said was a cosmetic medical procedure. williams also survived but was shot in the leg. we spoke with his wife michelle by phone. >> i didn't know anything until sunday morning when the fbi came. everything just seemed so surreal to me. >> she says she spoke with her husband a few minutes before he went into surgery. >> i am very happy that he's alive, but i'm also heartbroken for the other families who can't say the same. >> she says the four were childhood friends taking the trip together to share driving responsibilities. so-called medical tourism is on the rise. pre-pandemic, an estimated

1.2 million americans travel to mexico each year for elective medical procedures, mostly cosmetic procedures and dentistry. the mexican state of tamaulpas, a level meaning do not travel. the governor of tamaulpas said one person guarding the kidnapping victims was arrested. they were found in a wooden house, and they had been moved to several locations, including a medical clinic to create confusion. the cartels are responsible for the deaths of americans and we are fighting as hard as possible, the dea and fbi are doing everything possible. >> gabe gutierrez reporting. just a terrible story out of mexico. turning to the middle east and an israeli raid on a refugee camp in the west bank that left at least six palestinians dead. joining us live from tell --

tel aviv. >> reporter: all were members of armed militant groups. there's a grim irony to the violence, that a week ago, the u.s. government had a rare meeting face to face with israeli and palestinian officials. that meeting ended, according to the u.s., in an agreement to deescalate the violence. instead, the bloodshed has only gotten worse. israeli forces taking their hunt for palestinian militants deep into the occupied west bank. killing at least six palestinian men during a raid on a refugee camp in the northern city of janine. >> this is the scene inside the refugee camp a few minutes after israeli forces left. this crowd is coming down the hill, and they want revenge. >> reporter: israel said it succeeded in killing a hamas operative responsible for gunning down these two israeli brothers last month. prime minister benjamin netanyahu commending his forces

saying our brave warriors operated surgically in the heart of the murderer's den. but the palestinian authority condemning the raid as a massacre, and people here mourning the loss of yet more young lives. in washington, fear of an accelerating cycle of violence. >> we remain deeply concerned by the sharp rise in violence in the west bank, and we continue to urge the parties to take immediate steps to prevent the further loss of life. >> reporter: hours before the raid, an israeli settler armed with an ax attacking a palestinian family in their car. sitting terrified inside the vehicle, 27-year-old nurse, his wife, elderly parents and little daughter tia. do you believe the person who attacked you will be arrested, will be prosecuted? >> of course not. >> reporter: why? >> who is protecting us? which government protects us? no one.

it's just talking. no one is protecting those things. >> reporter: u.s. defense secretary lloyd austin will land in tel aviv in a couple of hours. he has the task of bringing it to bear and some calm from the west bank. we're expecting him privately to urge his israeli counter part to scale back the daytime raids leading to high casualty figures and to call on the palestinian forces to do more to confront militant groups themselves. >> an important moment with the secretary of defense there. nbc's raf sanchez in tel aviv. thank you very much. coming up here, our next guest is reporting on what he calls a troubling sign for 2024. he's profiling an arizona election official who's faced a series of attacks while trying to defend democracy and elections in his state. "morning joe" is coming right back. his state "morning joe" is coming right back

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that's a beautiful sunrise over washington. it's 6:35 on a beautiful, wednesday morning. since the 2020 election, we've heard reports of election workers being verbally accosted or facing direct and indirect threats due to lies spewed by election deniers. one man that's faced a flurry of threats is former maricopa county, arizona, board of supervisors chairman bill gates. after the 2022 election, maricopa county held a meeting in which he and his fellow board members endured nearly an hour of anger from voters. >> chairman bill gates and recorder richer, you both have lost all credibility and any shred of integrity. >> this entire board is corrupt. you need to be replaced. this is the epitome of weak,

corrupt men. you five up here. >> you need to resign today, and i pray that god is going to convict your heart for what you've done as proverbs 11:1, the lord detests dishonest scales, but accurate weights, find favor with him. the lord knows what you've done. >> i ask you to confess and repent, may the consequences of your actions be on your heads, i warn you and caution you, we have a big god in jesus' name. >> barton gelman, he talked to maricopa county supervisor bill gates in a new piece in the atlantic titled a troubling sign for 2024. the two discussed the threat gates faced. the state of democracy and thoughts on the future of elections. good morning, great to have you with us. let's talk a little bit about bill gates, by the way, no relation to his role in these 2020 elections, what he did before, during and after, and what he endured because of it?

>> so he had an important role within 2020 and 2022. as chairman of the board of supervisors, maricopa county has more than half of all the votes in arizona. it's the fourth largest county in the country. and the job o. board of supervisors among other things is to certify the election results, and in 2020, when as you'll recall, the arizona outcome was so crucial and so close, he came under -- he and his fellow supervisors came under huge pressure from the president on down not to certify the actual results of the voting, which said that joe biden won. so he's getting calls from rudy giuliani. he's getting text after text after text from the arizona

republican chair, kelly moore, filled with fabu-lies, claims of fraud, and he's being told, not in as many years but clearly, that his whole political future as a politician in arizona hangs on him being loyal to his party. >> as you write in the piece, bart, he hardly was alone. we have talked about katie hobbs, now the governor of arizona, there are a long list of officials in that state who endured these kind of threats. what was it like to be on the inside of that for bill gates? what was it like to not want to go outside your home, and to get these phone calls, not just from regular folks but from rudy giuliani saying we need to do something about these election results. how did they push through that, and did they work together on that? did they have sort of a band of brothers and sisters? >> yeah, you know, it used to be

a good thing for a politician to be recognized on the street. i mean, he liked that as he was growing up as a city and county politician. but when i met with him, he was barely willing to meet me at a restaurant, and we did it after dark in a kind of sparsely populated restaurant. he was looking around the whole time saying he hoped he wasn't recognized. he never goes out in public anymore. he worried about me mentioning what color or type his car was. he didn't want me to say where he lives because he's had to be evacuated from his home more than once because of credible death threats. his life has been turned upside down. he didn't ask for this. and he does know that it's common place. he keeps up communications and text messages and zoom calls

with his counter parts around the country. almost all of them republican election officials who are going through the same thing, al schmidt in philadelphia, gabe sterling in georgia, his counter part, the secretary of state in nearby new mexico, and he'll say things like, well, the candidate for attorney general just threatened to put me in jail if he wins office. i guess you're going to have to bail me out, that kind of thing. they make kind of dark jokes about it. >> yeah. barton, i actually was just in arizona over the weekend, and there was a real sense there of voters i talked to how close they came, almost squeaked out victories and real fear about what could happen in the next cycle. these threats have had a chilling effect on volunteers

and poll workers. what is your level of concern about just simply those americans who want to do their civic duty and help out with the elections the next time around, might be afraid to do so. >> a lot of them are being forced out of those jobs. you're a volunteer, you're living in your community, and you're getting death threats and phone calls and people calling you at home and people texting that they know where you live, and it's scary. and it's pervasive. around the country, according to one survey in the fall, 50% of all election workers reported harassment, abuse, and threats in urban areas that arises to 3/4 of all election workers are under this kind of pressure now, and the system doesn't seem built for that. >> the new piece in the atlantic is titled "a troubling sign for 2024," well worth the read. barton gellman, thank you so much for bringing it to us. we appreciate it.

and michael steele, it's not just elections officials, not just secretaries of state or people like mr. gates, regular people who work out in the polls, we saw some of them testify from georgia before the january 6th select committee about having their lives turned upside down about having their lies threatened based on lies that rouge put out for example, interpreting a video as malfeasance. this is out there, this is in the bloodstream and as long as people in major news outlets, as long as they continue to fiduciary conspiracy theories around what happens in our elections, it will be with us. >> it will, willie, and to your point, we're talking about citizens, as you just talked about, who are just every day people. i mean, these people coming and testifying and, you know, invoking the lord's name in a voting process know these individuals. they knew them before any of this crazy started to happen.

they know in most instances, these are, you know, reputable members of the community. they have been volunteering and working at election centers for decades in many cases. long time activists in the space, nonpartisan election officials, and yet, our system has now become so infected with this vile poison, perpetrated by republicans, especially -- i take that back. not republicans per se, but these maga folks, right? the strain of this republicanism that now these folks live in fear. and you have the kind of, you know, hearings that you open the segment with where those very average citizens coming out with pitch forks ready to skewer

someone because of a lie. and here's the rub. at the end of the day, they know it's a lie. you can't refute the fact that there's no evidence because if there were credible evidence, it would have been presented by these very same election officials. and that's the rub. they know that these individuals who have been in these jobs, who know how the system works, who know where the problems lie, they would be the first ones to call out the problem and say, wait a minute, this election isn't right. but they didn't do that. they came back and said something else. they're mad at them for that, because when you get sucked into the rabbit hole, willie, and you realize you're the only fool inside the hole because unlike the others, you went headlong, you want to save yourself a little bit of embarrassment. so you go and invoke the lord's name at an election hearing. >> and it's all, mike barnicle, so backward looking. the president still wants to

talk about the 2020 election, if you watched cpac over the weekend, kari lake, she won the straw poll to become vice president, and as john told us yesterday, she said she couldn't take that role because she is the governor of arizona. and it would be a conflict of interest. what do you do with that? >> that was after she kissed the poster of donald trump. but, you know, willie, just in this discussion, in the past few minutes, coast to coast, scotsdale, arizona you, referenced georgia and a lot of denial of elections in between the two coasts, and of all the damage, of all the damage that the former guy has done to this country and its institutions, this might be the deepest and the darkest and the most long lasting because it gets to the core of our democracy. you vote, you win or lose. you accept the numbers and you move on. but what this guy has done, the former guy, i would submit, is he has injected a virus into the

political culture, the political body culture of this country. and it's a virus thus far without a vaccine. and it's going to kill us to a certain extent unless it's corrected. >> we opened the hour with donald trump's lies fueling the violence of january 6th. the effort now to down play and whitewash that. that big lie was with us in the 2022 election, it will be with us in the 2024 election, and we as a nation have to deal with it. >> election denialism was smack down, so it's also a losing strategy to continue talking about elections being unfair or that donald trump was cheated out of his 2020 election. president trump during his state of the union address made a point to call out airlines for junk fees and credit card companies for late fees, both of which generate huge profits for companies. we'll dig into the proposals that could save you a little money. >> oh, hey. >> we're moments away from

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>> what are you all proposing to do about it? >> we're looking to take on these junk fees across banking,

everywhere you look, it feels like there's fees tacked on for a service you never asked for or something that's charged way beyond its costs. we've looked at overdraft we've looked at overdraft fees and so much more. we've proposed a rule that will make those credit card fees a little bit more reasonable. and we expect our proposal will save people $9 billion per year. it's still going to make credit card companies money o make cred card companies money and i think this is just going to make the market a bit more competitive. it more competitive. >> so credit card fees are exorbitant and killers in a way. what's your proposal. what's your bottom line? where are you going in lowering the fees? that's one question. and the other aspect of credit cards is the enticement that

they offer to people without credit cards. get this credit card, 0% interest. you can go buy a car or a house on it. we don't care, because we're your pal. what do you do about the unbelievable deception in advertisements? >> let's think about this. credit cards are one of the most common items we owe and we collectively owe about $1 trillion. we estimate that people pay around $120 billion each year in interest and fees. so here's what the law says. the law bans out of control and unreasonable penalty fees. but over a decade ago, when the rules were written there was a provision that allowed financial companies to charge a late fee and that went up by inflation and now it's up to about $40. so what we're saying is, let's look at those provisions again. let's bring it in line with what

the law actually says, so we've proposed making it about $8. of course, a company can charge more if they can prove it really costs them more than that, but i think what this is going to do is make companies not want to compete on how many late fees they can harvest, but really how they serve their customers the rates they're providing, because this means so much to people's budget. of course, advertising, we'll be looking across the board to make sure it's truthful and people are getting the right part of the deal. >> for all the big policy proposals coming out of this administration, this in the state of the union address, this talk about late fees and resort fees and airline fees what seemed to break through with the public. director of the financial consumer protection board, thanks so much for being here today. appreciate it. >> thanks again.

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department filed a lawsuit to block jetblue's merger with spirit airlines. it's actually positive news, because lately when we hear about jetblue merging with another airline, it's on the runway. >> okay, welcome back to "morning joe." it's wednesday, march the 8th. in just a minute, we are going to have mika's live, iconic conversation with ukrainian first lady olena zelenska and

women's rights advocates billie jean kingsteinem, all co-moderated with former secretary of state, hillary clinton. what a day it has been in abu dhabi. this international women's day conference has been extraordinary. and can't wait to see that iconic interview. but first, willie, let's start with the news. >> we'll get to that interview in just a moment. but we begin with china's new warning to the united states, as tensions continue to escalate between the global superpowers. nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell, has the new developments. fiery words from beijing's new foreign minister, saying the u.s. needs to change course or risk confrontation and conflict with china, echoing china's president xi jinping a day earlier, making rare comments accusing the u.s. of leading an all-around containment, encirclement, and suppression of china. the escalation and rhetoric demonstrating unprecedented

tensions between the two superpowers. >> this is not about containing china. this is not about suppressing china. this is not about holding china back. >> tensions have ratcheted up since the u.s. shot down that chinese spy balloon. and the u.s. warned that china was considering sending weapons to russia for the war in ukraine. russia fighting now to capture bakhmut in eastern ukraine. but running so low on ammunition, its forces have been fighting with shovels, according to british intelligence. >> it's a frozen conflict. if china gets involved on behalf of russia, that could materially help moscow and the united states is putting maximum pressure on china not to do that. >> this as china is flexing its military muscles over the south china seas, flying 500 peet off the wing of this u.s. navy surveillance plane last month. and continuing to threaten the self-governing island of taiwan, which china views as its territory. and president biden has said the u.s. would defend if attacked. >> andrea mitchell reporting. joining us now, former supreme

allied commander of nato, retired four-star navy admiral, james stavridis. he is chief international analyst for nbc news. admiral, it's good to see you. so let's talk about this sort of heightened rhetoric from china, just in the last couple of days, where you have president xi talking about the containment and suppression of his country. he claims, by the west, led by the united states. and sort of painting the united states as the aggressor here, as raising the stakes on the side of ukraine, perhaps forcing china to get in with material support on the side of russia. where is this headed? >> your summary is a pretty good one, and the tensions are, in fact, rising at the moment. and we ought to just look back three, four, five weeks ago, the announcement of the agreement between the u.s. and the philippines to provide access to u.s. forces on the northern island of luzon in the philippines, only 200 miles from taiwan. that's really kind of the root of what's happening right now.

then the u.s. marine corps announced the establishment of a new base in guam. then we see the supply balloon coming over. so you can kind of feel these tensions ratcheting up. i believe that the chinese are sending us a signal and they are more concerned about the u.s. presence in the pacific than they are about the conflict in ukraine. they don't have interest in the success there. what they are going to do is continue to threaten to provide those weapons. i think in the end, they will decide not to do that, to close here, willie, what they are really concerned about, and they should be, is their economy. only 3% growth last year. that's terrible for china. they need 5%, minimum. they have to get their economy underway, as we would say in a nautical context. to do that, the last thing they need is an increased tension and hypercompetition with the united

states. so i think china will rattle the saber a bit, talk about providing weapons. probably look for these tensions to diminish. and a final piece of good news here in my view, speaker mccarthy has indicated he will not make a trip to taiwan. rather, madame tsai, the president will come here to the united states, in san diego, much better in terms of reducing tension. >> so admiral stavridis, it's so fascinating, as i was listening to andrea mitchell report, i heard echos of what we always read in the history books, about japan, saying that we were closing in, closing them in. and that's why they had to strike out in world war ii. and china was talking about that containment. and i just started writing down a list, and then willie asked you a question, and you hit a couple of them, that i was talking about, which is a more

muscular presence in the philippines. you have japan, who is committed to increasing their military budget. you have our nuclear sub deal with the australians. you have the increased presence in guam. these are all things that i support. i'm sure they're things that you support. but what -- how do we balance our need to counteract china's growing powder in the pacific and in that region with the fear that at some point, they do feel so hemmed in that they begin to strike out. >> yeah, it's a terrific historical question. and if we had jon meacham here, we would talk about the east asia co-prosperity spear, which is what japan called their attempt to build a pacific economy. they felt that we were cutting them off. so the analysis is correct.

so what do we do about it? number one, we communicate clearly and forthrightly to china that, hey, we're not trying to cut you off. we're not trying to contain you. this is not u.s./soviet union cold war. what we are trying to do is to dialogue with you so that you don't things that increase the tension in the system, such as ukraine. so clear diplomatic situation is critical. number two is allies, partners, and friends in the region. so that is working together with australia, singapore, the philippines, japan. that's different than simply inserting, flying our forces over china. we're not sending spy balloons over there. and thirdly, economically, willie, i think we need to pursue both carrots and sticks here. we still have a lot of tariffs on china paid for by u.s. consumers, by the way.

we have economic tools we can put in play, both to make things harder on china, if they decide to provide arms to ukraine, bad idea, or positive things we can do to provide them reasonable access in a global marketplace. so we have plenty of sticks and carrots. we need to use them intelligently. >> all right. thank you so much, admiral. let's go now to mika, for her conversation with ukrainian first lady, olena zelenska and women's rights advocates billie jean king and gloria steinem co-moderated with former secretary of state, hillary clinton. mika, take it away. >> all right, joe. thank you so much. hello to everybody on "morning joe". we're having a great time and we're about to have a really important conversation. our next guests have dedicated their lives to advancing the

cause of women around the world, and we could not be more honored to bring them together for this iconic conversation on international women's day, right here in abu dhabi, truly the crossroads of the world. so please, as each woman comes to the stage, give it up for these legends. this is going to be an incredible moment, live on "morning joe." and we'll start with sports icon billie jean king, who started her career by changing the world for women in sports. it's the 50th anniversary, if you can believe it, 50th anniversary of the battle of the sexes, with 90 million watching this tennis match around the world, and perhaps no other sporting event has played a more significant role in developing greater respect and recognition for female athletes. it's also the 50th anniversary of the founding of the women's tennis association, which billie

jean king started, and it's the 50th anniversary of billie jean king making sure women were paid equally at the u.s. open. she knew her value, she is also the first woman to receive the u.s. presidential medal of freedom. and she's the author of the upcoming book, "trailblazers: the unmatched story of women's tennis." please welcome to the stage billie jean king. [ cheers and applause ] >> yes! you're the best, right here. randall will take you. thank you, randall! >> thank you, randall. >> yes. we are also absolutely thrilled, we are about to bring to the

stage gloria steinem, who is here with us today. the acclaimed journalist and trailblazing feminist is perhaps best known for her activism in the women's liberation movement. she fought for equal rights and greater opportunities for women as the cofounder of "ms. magazine," which was really at the forefront of feminist journalism back in 1971. she's also the co-founder of new york magazine. we are so very honored to bring to the stage gloria steinem as part of our 30/50 iconic conversation. awesome. right over there. [ cheers and applause ] yes, open the water for billie,

randall. thank you. thank you. you ready? you ready? okay. also joining us right here on stage in abu dhabi for our special live hour on "morning joe," the first lady of ukraine, olena zelenska. please come to the stage. [ cheers and applause ] there you are. as you all know, madame zelenska is the symbol of extraordinary courage of women. she really represents the women and the families of her war-torn country. and it's with great honor that we have you here in our presence today. she oversees humanitarian aid to orphanages, large families, and the elderly, who have remained in her country. she started books without

borders, getting 260,000 books printed in ukrainian for displaced ukrainian children across the world. and she created the national program on mental health and psychosocial support, so very needed for the people of ukraine, and she has a foundation that she presented to the u.n. general assembly. so first lady zelenska, welcome to 30/50 on "morning joe." >> thank you. [ applause ] >> and finally, i could not be more honored to bring to you the woman who will moderate this conversation with me, none other than hillary rodham clinton. >> hello! >> i would stand up, but i'm

covered with wires. so, i just want to say, madame secretary is a champion of equality, former u.s. senator, former secretary of state, former first woman presidential nominee and the woman who famously proclaimed that human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights. it is really great to have you here at the 30/50 summit. >> thank you. thank you so much, mika. >> why don't we -- i know you're the moderator, but i'll start with you for real quick at the top here. that declaration that you made at the u.n. world conference for women in beijing, three decades later, we would think the united states would be leading and yet some of our children and grandchildren have fewer rights than we had. can you talk about the consequences of that reality as it pertains to women's rights in

america, but also around the world? >> first of all, i think it's fair to say that we -- we're making slow but steady progress on a range of issues that affect women and girls. and we have been dramatically set back by two things. by covid, which had a disproportionate impact on women and girls around the world and a lot of consequences such as increases in domestic violence, increase in child marriage, increase in unemployment. and we have seen organized pushback to the advancement of women. and just yesterday, the secretary general of the united nations said that based on current data, post-covid, it would take 250 years for women

to achieve pay equality. and they also pointed out that if you look at the range of social, political, economic, cultural advancement goals that we've had, it would take 300 years. so it's kind of distressing, to be honest, as we're gathered here. to see what we're finding in so many areas. and quickly in the united states, we have stalled on pay equality and pay equity. if you look at founders and venture capital, 1.9% of all venture capital last year went to women, which is less than it was in 2021. so i think the bottom line is we have a lot of work to do. and we can't take any of the progress that has been made for granted, because as you said, mika, with the dobbs decision

and other kinds of organized institutional pushback, we're seeing a lot of what we did take for granted in terms of rights and opportunities at risk. and then finally, i'm so glad that olena zelenska is here, because women are -- [ applause ] women and children are the primary victims of conflict and of climate change and there is no place that unfortunately, tragically, shows us that more dramatically than ukraine today. but there are a lot of other conflicts, a lot of other challenges that we have to take into account, as we look at gender apartheid in afghanistan. the persecution and oppression of girls and women, exercising their freedom of choice in iran

and so many other places. >> wonderful. and madame zelenska, to touch on what madame secretary said, you've been working with first ladies around the world to find solutions and to help with the challenges facing the people of ukraine, the people you represent. how have you forged these diplomatic partnerships and what have you been able to accomplish? >> first of all, thank you for having me here. i will speech on ukraine and i hope it will be translation. [ speaking non-english ]

>> thank you very much for the question. first of all, this corporation came about not overnight. it is the result of two years of work. we had this idea for the very first time two years ago, one year before the full-scale invasion. [ speaking non-english ] >> translator: we wanted to create a community, we wanted to create a club, so to speak, a professional club of first ladies and gentlemen. and actually, it was a very good idea, because we wanted to do humanitarian projects. but even on the first day after

the war had started, many of them showed their support. they showed that they were a powerful force, and they reacted even faster than some governments and presidents. [ speaking non-english ] >> translator: they were very quick, for example, to evacuate

our little cancer patients abroad, because they cannot be treated for cancer under the bombs and missiles and they continue to provide treatment for these children in their countries. they also created a corporation to help our displaced women abroad. and they continue to care for these women in their countries. they have showed that this is not just a formality, it is an organization that works, that can continue to grow, and increase in number. [ speaking in non-english ] >> translator: what really inspires me is previously it was thought that first ladies are just soft power, but we have shown that it is not just a formality. we're not just a soft force. we are a force and we can

continue to change the world. [ applause ] >> so i think it's a perfect time to talk about the women of ukraine and then, madame secretary, if you could jump in with your thoughts. we talked earlier with madame zelenska and you had some incredible things to say about the power of this woman, among many, and broaden out. but first, madame zelenska, can you just briefly please talk about the women of ukraine, their resilience, and how they have had to adapt to this historic time and how they contribute to ukraine's future. [ speaking in non-english ]

>> translator: what i would like to say is that i don't separate myself from the rest of ukrainian women. we are together. and what i would like -- what i can say is that it is a trial for everyone. and we need to go through this experience together. some have changed their lives completely, and they have new roles. some continue in the same role continue to do the same job.

>> translator: i will give you an example of a woman who changed her life completely when the war started, as she worked in i.t., she was -- she had a full life, she had dreams, she loved sport. unfortunately, she died. she was killed very recently nearby bakhmut. her name was yanna and she just turned 30. she changed life completely when the war started. she decided to become a volunteer and a doctor. we are inspired by these examples and i'm sure that this example will stay in our hearts forever. [ speaking in non-english ]

>> translator: many people also inspire us. they're teachers, they're energy workers. they also inspire us and they will stay in our hearts. [ speaking in non-dplish ] >> translator: i was very inspired by one example i keep talking about it and i will keep talking about it, because i can't stop myself. [ speaking in non-english ] >> translator: i saw a video on the internet when a teacher, a ukrainian teacher, was conducting an online lesson for her notebook in the middle of a snowy street.

[ speaking in non-english ] >> translator: so this is just the woman, as i'm sure you know, we have had a very significant problem with electricity this winter, and it was very difficult to find wi-fi or mobile connection. and this woman found wi-fi near a supermarket. and she put her notebook on the

parking barrier. and she continued her lesson, standing like a teacher, with all the teacher intonations. and i'm massively inspired by this example. and i know that women can do their job and they are doing their job, even in these extremely difficult situations. [ speaking in non-english ] >> translator: darwin said that it is not the strongest or the fastest that survive, it is those who can adapt. ukrainian women and men have been adapting so fast that our enemies are not able to come up with new challenges for us quickly enough. [ applause ] >> amen. madame secretary, on that note --

>> that is a good note to segue into talking to our two other panelists who have shown an amazing ability to adapt over their lives and careers. billie jean, i want to start with you. you have been one of the most prominent leaders and frankly, one of the most effective leaders on the issue of pay equity for a long time. and largely thanks to your leadership we have seen a movement, although we've got a lot of work still to do, as i said, with the latest statistics about how long it's going to take to actually close that pay gap. so how do we increase the rate of progress? not just in the united states, but around the world. and what do you say to people who think, oh, pay equity, that's no longer an issue. >> well, that's simple. say "no." before we start, i just like to

thank everyone and particularly madame zelenska, for being here. just so you know as a sidebar here, but we have this tennis plays for peace, so our sport is trying to give as much as we can in every way possible to help the ukraine. so i just want you to know that. wonderful. and i've always had this saying that champions adjust or adapt. and i mean champions in life. and that's what we've been talking about. and pay equity is so important. until we have this one-to-one, we have a long way to go. please, women, follow the money. follow the money. because i'm older, women were taught never to follow money in the old days. so i've been listening to your stories, if i met some of you. i'm like, "yes," because you follow the money and talk about the money you've made.

what can money do? fantastic things in life. it gives you freedom, mobility, all kinds of things that we never dreamed of. and having different generations up here, we've had different experiences. and we're going in the right direction psychologically, but the reality is, we're not making it. and everyone i talk to about pay equity, they say the biggest problem is women -- i've heard glory talk about this, about not having control over, you know, like contraceptives, not having control over the laws, custody of your children, all of these things that really matter to people. we have to change that -- i always think, i know -- hillary went to law school, i don't know how many others here did, but i didn't. but i would have if i hadn't played tennis, my plan was to go to law school. and i got my former husband through law school, but i was going to go through as well, for

legislation purposes, to change the laws, because that's where it happens. that's what title ix did for us in the united states and beyond, because a lot of people not from the united states come and really get a lot out of -- but every one of us is an influencer. so everything you do does matter. because so many times i hear women say, i don't really matter. you matter. everyone deserve to be represented. and everything you do does matter. every word you say, your actions, everything. and at work, demand, and also for you, on performance, that's the past. >> here's the guys, they look.

>> and 10, 20 more! >> that's even better. the women go, i do nine of them, but i don't know if i can go that tenth one. i don't know if i'm going to apply. i was at starbucks with women leaders, and this was the story i heard because i said this example and this woman raises her hand and she says, that's me. they could do nine, but wasn't sure about the tenth one. and so i said, what happened? the leader, public affairs, he said to her, if you -- i want you to take the job i, the boss, will not let you fail. and that's another way to think about it when you're hiring

somebody, you're going to tell them, you're going to make sure they're not going to fail. but as far as the gender gap, we've gone so far, but i'm so disappointed we haven't gone further. the last 20 years, we've been at a stalemate. it's up to us, particularly the younger generations here, you can do this. this is your chance to change the world. >> gloria, you have been pointing out for decades, while women can and do work full-time in the paid labor force, it is still often expected they continue to work full-time in the unpaid labor force and as you look at where we are and think about what now needs to happen to move this agenda

forward, what are you hoping to convey to this audience and to everybody watching? >> how long do we have? well, i'm glad we started out with the whole concept of work, because until work is divided equally at home, that is until men are raising children themselves, men aren't able to develop their nurturing themselves, and children will grow up not thinking that men can be as loving and patient as women can and that women can be as active and achieving in the world outside the home.

so i'm so thankful for this conference, on spaceship earth. and i hope that we raise our sights and we meet each other and continue this conference wherever we are, right? this can be a revolutionary cell right here. so thank you to all who created it. >> well, you're so right that everybody has a role to play. and right now in the workforce, there's a fatherhood wage premium and a motherhood wage penalty and it's just very challenging and difficult for a lot of people in the workforce, but i want to go back to the point you were making, billie, about people who actually run businesses. because you run a business. you are a woman-owned, woman-founded consulting and marketing firm. we know what you've done in the

world of tennis. so what's your message specifically to these and the role you play in a position of management? >> ceos can make things happen really fast. the more powerful you are, the faster you can make things happen. one of the things our company does is meet with ceos and ask them to make sure it's equal pay for equal work. first thing we ask, do you have that here? we get a lot of, not sure -- we do know that -- here's what they say when they don't care and are not going to do anything. they say, i just want quality at my business. we know right then it's not going any further. but the ones that do start to ask. marc benioff did this with salesforce.

one of his employees came in, actually, two, and they say, you talk about equality and pay equity and all of this and he said, it's not really true. he says, what, it isn't? do you have the numbers. and so they showed him the numbers. and he said, by tomorrow morning, that will be taken care of. then they bought 14 other companies, and i want you to check their cultures. he said, i want to know. not one of them had equal pay for equal work. and he changed that like that, because he had the power to do it. if you're a ceo yourself or you know other people that are in positions of power, go to them and stress this. stress it. you are an influencer, every single person, every single day of your life, you're an

influencer. that's why engagement and having this "forbes" conference is so important. how do people change? how do we actively listen. you have to actively listen to have change, to have engagement. that's why countries meet countries, powerful people. secretary clinton can tell us that. i read your book. that's how we actively change, talk to people that don't look like you or think like you, i think it's really helpful and every human being deserves to be represented. every single human being and we do not understand inclusion unless we've been excluded. so inclusion is much more fun.

>> gloria, you helped establish in the united states, the take your daughter to work day, which was such a great program and you started that so girls could have a chance to get into a workplace and figure out what their career opportunities might be. now we know that decades later, women are the majority of the college educated in the united states. yet are still underrepresented in most sectors of the united states. that's a global fact. so why aren't we seeing more women in highest positions of leadership since women have

gotten themselves educated, they've gotten out into the workforce, they've really put themselves in the marketplace and yet they're stalled and we think they deserve to be. >> there are a lot of reasons, as we know. and one is the unfairly, unequal responsibility for raising children. and another is just the mystique of masculinity. but i just want to point out to you at this point in time how different the history my country in the world would have been had we had hillary clinton instead -- instead of trump! >> well, that's a conversation

stopper. >> for another day. i have a question actually for madame secretary hillary clinton and perhaps for all. and this is from fran at cisco. she says, each one of you have had some of the most powerful voices in advocating for women. so what's your advice as we continue to use our voices and learn to use them more effectively, in those high-stakes moments, when it really matters, do you have advice, tips, on communicating effectively, like you're face-to-face with, i don't know, whomever. >> you name it. >> i would love to hear from everybody, but i think there is still a lot that we can learn keying off of what billie said about the opportunities that women have in every single walk

of life, every single kind of setting, to not only speak up for themselves, but also for other women. and i really want to underscore that, because too often, it's a lonely time, when you're only women or you are a women who is in a position of having to speak up or try to make a point in a not-very-friendly atmosphere. so three quick things. one, just accept the fact, you have to be better prepared than anybody. no matter what your situation is, that just goes with the territory, still. so just be willing to do whatever it takes to feel confident that you know whatever it is you're talking about and you have a very clear idea that you want to communicate. secondly, practice communicating. i mean, communication is a skill

like any other. and i've had so many women and girls say to me that they're just scared to death of public speaking. you know, they rank it as among the worst things that could ever happen to them. and i think they have a limited horizon about the worst things that could happen. but nevertheless, that is the feeling that they have. so you have to work on that. >> practice on your phone. >> practice in front of a trusted friend. practice in front of your pet. whatever it takes to feel like you're going to gain confidence as you speak. and thirdly, look for allies. as often as you can, find others who share that unique view you have, whatever it might be. as billie said, two people walked into mark benioff's office in salesforce to make the point, hey, we talk a good game, but we're not living up to our objectives. so let's go out and do something

together. and also, finally, just know that every time you stand up for yourself, you stand up for literally tens of people that don't have the access that you do. and she is standing up on behalf of her country and the people that are the most vulnerable and marginalized, you don't have to be in the middle of a horrible war that is breaking every law there is and committing crimes against humanity to stand up and speak out and know that you're doing it not just for yourself. somehow it's the ability to do that. billie jean, what do you think?

>> right on, sister. it's true, you made me think about my childhood and how scared i was. i couldn't even give an oral book report in fourth grade. and the teacher called my parents and said i was going to flunk reading if i don't give it. and i was up all night crying and my parents said, you have to do it. but the thing that helped me the most was playing tennis, playing sports. the second time i ever picked up a racket, and i was in santa monica and i thought, whoever wins this sport has to get up with the microphone and you have to at least thank the umpires and volunteers and the people who ran the event. and i kept thinking about this

in the back of my mind during this match, against carol caldwell, i'll never forget it. and all of a sudden i said to myself, billie, i want to be the number one player in the world. you know how many times you're going to have to get up and say "thank you" to somebody. so i went on and won the match, even though i was thinking about losing it, because i was so afraid. and there were only five people in the stands, by the way. this isn't like center court at wimbledon or playing bobby riggs with 90 million people watching. that was a turning point in my life. i love kids to get into sports, especially women, because it teaches us to trust our bodies. do you know how many women are taught not to trust our bodies. it's horrible! so you learn how to trust your body and you know you're strong. we had so many paraolympians now, too. so we've got everything. but it teaches you to show up

and be there and to speak up, like hillary was talking about. i'm allowed to call her hillary. i got permission. >> you're so lucky. >> but the point is, think about your own lives. and i know somebody asked me earlier, i kept meeting with some of you, and they said, talk about facing your fears. that was one of them, but one of the things because of public speaking like this, i said to the people that work with me, get as many speeches as possible. and i could hardly swallow after i said that. because i need to face my fears. i need to face my fears. i need to get comfortable with being uncomfortable. so tough. but you can do this. you know. and i don't know if that will help any of you here. >> no, it absolutely does. we love it. >> it's so scary.

and i was just fortunate to have two parents, and my dad believed in me as much as my mother. and that was huge. i have a younger brother who went on to play 12 years of major league baseball. and they didn't care if we were any good, either. they never asked us if we won. all they cared about was health and education. that's why they liked us in sports, to be healthy, to move. it's very interesting how things evolve. >> i love how you shared, and this is important, that it's scary. it is okay to be scared bleep-less. it is really difficult to speak in the moment, to have a negotiation, when it really matters, it's really hard. or to be on stage. so we have a few moments left. gloria steinem, i would love to hear your closing thoughts on using your voice, especially at this time, and then a final question for madame zelenska. gloria? >> well, what i was just thinking is, every time billie jean said something that struck

home, the audience laughed a little bit. and i just want us to value laughter more. it is the only emotion that cannot be compelled. you can cause someone to be afraid, obviously, you can even cause somebody to think they're in love, if they are kept dependent for long enough, but you can't compel anybody to laugh. and in our native american community, there is a god of laughter that represents freedom. so i want us to value laughter as a proof of freedom, a proof of grateful to this audience for laughing at all the great points. >> wonderful. >> laughter is useful. it will help you through tough

moments. madam zalenska, what is your message to the world? >> translator: a difficult task. it seems to me this is the day suddenly when everybody realizes the important that's of women. it shouldn't, but it only happens one day a year.

[ applause ] . >> translator: i would like us all to remember that equality is a normal thing. it's not something we should be fighting for, it's not news we should be telling the world, and i would like to thank all of the women on the stage, because thanks to them i was growing up -- i was growing up knowing that there were a lot of things i can do, a lot of things were open to me.

[speaking non-english] . >> translator: so it's much easier for me to speak about it, because i understand that equality is normal. the next step we need to make is to make sure that all women understand it is normal. >> not only women, but men also. >> absolutely. i love that. do you want to give a final thought to our audience. we have 30 seconds. i want to close out with secretary hillary clinton. >> there's not one day to celebrate women and not one day to talk about the challenges we face and the opportunities that are there for us to take advantage of, and there's strength in numbers, supporting each other, supporting our own path forward but bringing others

along with us, that should be our goal and that's what this conference is all about. >> it exactly is. >> stronger together! >> gloria steinam, and billie jean king -- ♪♪ nexium 24hr prevents heartburn acid for twice as long as pepcid. get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention

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city as we come up to the top of the hour, back live here in new york. top intelligence officials will answer questions today on what they believe, and they are expected to ask about the chinese spy balloon. there has been bipartisan criticism in the lack of transparency over that incident. senators likely to question intelligence and officials on the war in ukraine and a variety of other international issues. let's bring in justice correspondent, ken dilanian. >> wow, has the world changed.

think about this. last year's threat assessment was before russia invaded ukraine, so over the last year there has been a shift in the international landscape. you are right, not just the spy balloon but the threat from china is what preoccupies these intelligence leaders, and we will see the director of the national intelligence and nsa and the defense intelligence agency, and they are most concerned about china right now and big questions like will china try and seize taiwan? can the u.s. stop that? is the u.s. prepared to stop that? why is the u.s. able to stop chinese getting our secrets, are they ready for that? we will hear about climate change and cyber threats and a

host of other issues, but i think china is the big whale here that it was always a threat, even when we were preoccupied with the wars in afghanistan, iraq and terrorism. >> it comes just within a week when we have had two big stories out of china, and that's the assessment china is getting ready if it has not already sent materials to russia for its war against ukraine, and christopher wray says, yes, there was a lab leak out of china that led to the pandemic. >> various intelligence stories in the news will be a target of questions by the lawmakers. the lab leak, that is not knew, and they have had that information for years but chris

wray said it publicly so he will be asked about that, and there was recently a report that took the fbi and dhs to task because of the information they got before the january 6th attacks. there are reports that the u.s. said there was pro ukrainian groups that sabotaged the north stream pipeline, and there will be questions of whether or not the united states has its hands around the intelligence leak, and they have not gotten their hands on what classified documents the former leaders had in their hands. >> ken, what is your sense on how long the committee will spend on the issue of domestic

terrorism? you hear the significant aspect of those is way up top is domestic terrorism as a threat to the internal security of the united states. >> it's a great question, mike. i fear they won't spend enough time on it. my sense of these hearings is chris wray gets treated generally and there are not the hard questions i would like to ask of the fbi and some of the other leaders about what exactly they are doing. this is the hardest issue, right? they don't have the same capabilities to spy on domestic terrorists, but they have to do it anyway and hunt down the threats and they are grappling with the issue of what is free speech and what is the kind of intelligence they need to look at and be concerned about, and what is the line and the capabilities? one thing is going to be a renewal of the section 702 that

allows them to gather up lots of data that traverse u.s. systems. it's mainly an international-focused issue capability, but there's a lot of concern particularly on the right that gives too much power to the government and may not get renewed and intelligence officials say if it doesn't, it will blind them >> we will be watching. ken, thank you so much. there's a special investigation into norfolk southern's safety culture, as the conductor was killed. the conductor was outside of the car. this is the third norfolk southern incident in over a month in ohio. over the weekend a train derailed in springfield and last month the train went off the

track in east palestine spilling toxic chemicals there, and there have been three other on the job deaths in the last year and a half. there is going to be a company-wide safety hearing today, and there will be testimony before congress tomorrow. a man violently attacked a flight attendant on a flight from los angeles over to boston over the weekend, and there are calls to stop unruly passengers. >> the man charged in this case appeared in court on monday after prosecutors say he attempted to stab the flight attendant during the flight, and if convicted those charges could put him in prison for the rest of his life. the new details about that

terrifying attack are chilling and disturbing. on monday, the defendant, the 32-year-old torres plead not guilty to a federal charge of interfering with a flight crew, and his incoherent rant began 45 minutes before landing on united flight 2609 from los angeles to boston. a fellow passenger was seated feet away with her teenage daughter and husband. after taurus tried to open a plane door, he rushed a flight attendant with a spoon -- >> a bunch of men got up from their seats and chased him down the aisle. >> flight attendants and

passengers bound his hands and feet with zip ties. in 2022, there were 2,300 reports of in unruly passengers. >> we are dealing with more passengers than ever before because our planes are full and we have fewer of us to be able to contain any issues that arise. >> the flight attendant that was attacked suffered nonlife-threatening injuries and had been on the job four months. united airlines banned torres pending an investigation. >> somebody could act badly somewhere and be banned and then get on another airline and do the same thing, and that's not a good plan. >> we have reached out to torres's attorney for comment but have not heard back.

as to the federal no fly list, the idea is if you committed an act on one plane you would be banned from that plane, that airline and all airlines. so far it's not federal law, willie. >> meanwhile, the faa chief set to testify on capitol hill. what do we expect to hear? >> congress is drilling down on how the faa certifies planes after the near fatal crashes a couple years ago, and six close calls this year, and this is important, whether the air system has reached max capacity with planes and passengers and whether that is stressing and testing the safety margin of the airspace. >> thank you. we appreciate it. two americans who were kidnapped in mexico are back in the united states this morning,

and two others were killed. and we go to the texas border town of brownsville. >> reporter: it has been an incredibly active 24 hours here. we learned the two americans that survived the horrific or deal are recovering inside this south texas hospital. details surrounding the rescue are few, and with two lives lost, those to find whoever is responsible, more intense than ever. this morning two surviving americans back on u.s. soil, four days after a nightmare on the streets of mexico. >> the bodies of two other citizens killed in the same incident were recovered. >> a terrifying kidnapping, where video showed gunman dragging the victims to a pickup, after unleashing a barrage of bullets on a van with americans inside.

when officials found them in this small wooden house, and they were taken to interrupt the rescue work. the survivors identified by family as washington law srae, and eric williams. >> you didn't know where your little brother was. >> that was very hard. you just want answers. a lot of anxiety. >> eric suffered a gunshot wound to his leg, but he's now recovering in a hospital. >> williams was joined by mcgee, and wood yard and brown. >> all of them have known each other all their lives. they're childhood friends. >> a law enforcement official telling nbc news the trip was for a cosmetic medical procedure and they were likely attacked

for being identified as haitian smugglers. mexican officials are investigating but their leading theory is that was a result of confusion. on tuesday the governor there said one person who was carting off the victims was arrested. >> the dea and fbi are doing everything possible to dismantle and disrupt and prosecute the leaders of the cartel. >> reporter: the fbi has said while they were not on the ground during that rescue in mexico, they were in constant communication with mexican authorities there. now their focus turns to the growing investigation to find those responsible, willie. as these two americans recover in a texas hospital, they would like to speak with them as soon as possible to learn as much as they can about the mexican

captors. >> terrible. okay, not a bad co host with secretary clinton. >> he was good, right? >> from the host of scarborough country, to the host of hillary clinton, and -- mika, it was surreal, though. we're sitting there and i'm hearing stats from you and secretary clinton about how gender pay is so unequal, and people say can we ever get there? i was off stage looking over your shoulder into the eyes of billie jean king, and it was, like, i did this in 1973. >> 50 years ago. >> and then you start looking at

the other women up there, including the first lady of ukraine. what an extraordinary moment for international women's day. what did it mean to you? >> the location makes so much sense. abu dhabi is the crossroads section of the world, and olena zelenska, and steinam and billie jean king, i think that, you know, with billie jean king and women in sports, what she has done, the battle of the sexes 50 years ago, she literally, in that moment, 90 million watching worldwide, captivated the world and also generated much needed respect for women in sports. what does it take to become a

confident human being, often it's sports that teaches that kind of thing, and gloria steinam, i couldn't get her off the stage. she wassing was being mobbed wh meeting was over, really, women were so excited to see this icon, this legend. >> you could tell there were so many different nationalities. it was extraordinary to see. i don't usually take pictures, but i saw hillary clinton, and the women surging and trying to talk to her and take pictures, and i stopped and took a shot of that because it was so moving these women from all over the world have come here and got inspired and that challenge at the end of the day for madam zelenska saying every day should be international women's day.

it was so moving. i wanted to follow-up with something you can talk about personally, and i could, but everybody knows i have serious challenges. you heard billie jean king say she was afraid to speak. as we came and sat down here, i have seen you speak in so many people, so movingly, and you obviously talk on tv all the time, and i said, that was great, how are you doing? you said, i am still nervous, i'm still shaking and breathing. that's the thing, trying to breathe. she said women should be able to get out of their comfort zone, and that's something you do every day but people don't know that. >> yeah, what people should know, you can be uncomfortable and still get over it, and i loved how billie jean king

talked about facing your fears, and i loved what olena zelenska said, speaking as a symbol of courage of the women and the families in ukraine, many who are displaced. we talked earlier and she said that everybody in ukraine is wishing for an end to the war, and that's all they wish for. finally, to close, i will say, i have to say, joe, secretary clinton was a really good co host. >> she was amazing. >> it was kind of fun. >> a great co host. >> she was really great. >> willie, years ago, years ago -- i am an old man now, but when i was a little younger i ran for congress. i was 29. i got up there and i met the clintons, and i, of course, had run against the clintons.

i met hillary, and we were back running against hillary care and against this and that, and i remember calling into a radio station and being asked what was it like meeting hillary clinton, and everybody was expecting me to pour it on. i said, you know, i loved her. i loved her. she was so down-to-earth and she's completely different than how she is portrayed. i said that 30 years ago as a freshman in the gingrich revolution. 30 years later she's the same. she's such a remarkable woman. what a great honor for all of us. of course, mika especially, to be with her on international women's day as co host, which, again, she traded way up on that one. >> i did and it was fun. it was an incredible day. go ahead, willie.

>> she could have been sitting on that panel, and it was nice to have her weighing in on all the questions you were asking. >> she did, and much more tomorrow we will have for you. that's our teach and learn day, and we have a town hall tomorrow with many more incredible guests. for now on "morning joe," we will have reaction from republicans on capitol hill who are criticizing fox news for the recent portrayal on the violence on january 6th. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. >> the bottom line is we have a lot of work to do, and we can't take any of the progress that has been made for granted, because as you said, mika, with the dobbs decision and other kinds of organized institutional

pushback, we are seeing a lot of what we did take for granted in terms of rights and opportunities at risk. three quick things. one, just accept the fact, you have to be better prepared than anybody, no matter what your situation is. that just goes with the territory still. so just be willing whatever it takes to feel confident. secondly, practice communicating. i mean, communication is a skill like any other. practice on your phone. practice in front of a trusted friend. practice in front of your pet. just whatever it takes to feel like you are going to gain confidence as you speak. thirdly, look for allies. you know, as often as you can, find others who share that view you have, whatever it might be. >> please, women, follow the money. follow the money.

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republican senators are criticizing fox news for showing select footage of the january 6th insurrection provided by house speaker, kevin mccarthy. that show tried to portray the deadly riot as peaceful and calling the insurrectionists as sight seers, and alleging some capitol police officers helped some of the insurrectionists. the allegations that the officers helped any of the insurrectionists false and ripped fox news for spreading misleading conclusions. the program conveniently cherry-picked from the calmer moments of the 41,000 hours of video. the commentary fails to provide context about the violence that happened before or during the less tense moments. our late friend and colleague,

brian sicknick's death had nothing to do with his heroic actions on january 6th. had he not fought for hours on the day he was assaulted, after sicknick would not have died the next day. you will remember the 42-year-old died of natural causes after the attack on january 6th. the medical examiner said that played a role in his death. a bipartisan senate report found at least seven people, including three police officers died in connection with the attack that day. senate minority leader, mitch mcconnell, reacted at a news conference yesterday following the release of the chief's letter. >> with regard to the presentation on fox news last night, i want to associate myself entirely with the opinion

of the chief of the capitol police with what happened on january 6th. my concern is how it was depicted, which is a different issue. clearly the chief of the capitol police in my view correctly describes what most of us witnessed firsthand on january 6th, so that's my reaction to it. it was a mistake in my view for fox news to depict this in a way that is completely in add variance with what our chief here at the capitol thinks. >> other republicans criticized

the move as well. >> when you see police barricades breached and police officers assaulted, all of that, or you had to be in close proximity to it, and if you were a tourists you should have lined up at the visitor center and came in on an orderly basis. >> i think particularly when you come into the chambers and start opening members' desks and you stand up in their balcony, to somehow put that in the category of a peaceful protest is just a lie. >> it's sad to see tucker carlson go off the rails that bad. the american people saw what happened on january 6th, and they saw the people that got injured and the damage to the building. you can't hide the truth by selectively picking a few minutes out of tapes and saying this is what went on.

it's so absurd. it's nonsense. it's placating the base of my party is not the way forward for the republican party or for the country. >> i think what happened on january 6th was despicable. in america you can believe what you want but you can't act on it in a way that constitutes violence. >> yeah, i think it was an attack on the capitol. >> thom tillis, kevin cramer, mitt romney, john kennedy and john thune criticizing fox news. speaker mccarthy said he did not regret sharing the footage with tucker carlson.

president trump is calling for the rioters of january 6th to be released from prison. >> there you go again, promoting violence and praising those that committed violence against cops. this is once again the abandonment of the blue, once again, the abandonment of police officers. michael steele, you can't say the republican party. this is a segment of the republican party. in the house especially that are trying to grant absolution by lying about those people, those rioters that beat the hell out of police officers. how many police officers were savagely attacked on this day? the injuries lined up. what an insult. but, again, i almost hate to bring politics up because this is such a serious breach by

kevin mccarthy to release security footage. it's outrageous and it's dangerous, and it -- all this encourages the next attack. politically for one second, americans aren't going to back a faction of a party that supports violence against police officers. americans aren't going to support a faction of a party that support riots on january the 6th and the overturning of a peaceful presidential election. for kevin mccarthy to think anything less, it's outrageous. michael, what is the fallout of this eventually? >> i would disagree with you, joe. americans have backed an insurrectionists party. they re-elected them to power in november. this is what -- you know, i was certainly among many about going into the 2022 election cycle.

if kevin mccarthy is not speaker of the house, he's not beholdened to marjorie taylor greene and this faction in a way that the clips would never be released. that's the consequence of our voting, people in power who are anti-democratic, who are narcissistic very much in the way of trump where their own self interest is the prevailing interest. i would agree with you, you think on paper the american people wouldn't do it, and in the upcoming election cycle, any downturn in the economy, a tickup in gas prices or inflation or some other event, this issue gets suppressed. that's what these folks are counting on. that's their best bet, that at the end of the day we get into this thing. donald trump is railing against the system.

we can also talk about the failed, you know, policies at the border, which will be a huge issue. a lot of these folks out here will go that's more important than the fear or concern i have about putting these people back in power, because once they get back in power, i don't -- where is the border policy? where is the health care policy? where is the transportation policy? it's not there. but you know what is? giving tucker carlson what he wants, giving him an exclusive anti-democratic -- oh, we are going to drill down on the weaponization of government. this is what we are getting here. let's stop pretending you are going get anything different, because when you give back people that infermented the insurrection, what do you think you will get? more of that. >> and then the fox news played

edited versions of it, but there were republicans that supported that move, josh hawley, as you might imagine, cheered the insurrectionists that day before he was seen jogging out of there, and he said this exposes the lie about what happened that day, despite the fact that we all watched it happen live on tv. >> yeah, one of the darkest days in our nation's history. i think it's important to think of the backdrop to this. this comes at the same time, because of a lawsuit, we are learning about the inner workings and inner most thoughts of fox news, and we know trump's claims of election fraud were bogus, and they condemned the violence in real time. they knew they were saying they

were spouting lies to the american people about the election. we know even, mike barnicle, they were sharing -- they were having conversation about the biden campaigning strategy, which is raising questions what the white house would do for a re-election bid, and this came out last night from the host broadcasting the january 6th footage. he, on january 4th, texted this to an associate, we are very close from being able to ignore trump most nights. i hate him passionately. yet, here we are, and he's doing his bidding again. >> i agree with joe to a certain point, this is no longer about politics. this darkness, this constant deception, this fraud that is coming out of one particular tv network, it's about us.

it's about america. it's about who we are. it's about where we are going. and the idea that one particular unit of the republican party, not all of it, is led by a man who says i am your retribution. look up the meaning of the world retribution. is that what he thinks this country is all about? anger, divisiveness, danger, constant threats, the destruction of the news media in effect, lies here, truth here, democracy here, anarchy here. that's our choices. we have to come face-to-face with facts here. this is not going away. what we hear from one particular candidate, donald trump, what we see on our tv, that happened. what you are looking at now happened. all of us here know people who

were there that day. they were frightened. they were in danger. elected officials as well as ordinary people working on capitol hill. their lives were placed in peril. i don't know how many people out there watching this morning even for a moment their life was placed in peril, and you lived it. the fact that it's twisted now, we have to figure out who are we, where we are going and what are we going to believe? >> coming up, a poll shows donald trump crushing his competition in new hampshire. that's next on "morning joe."

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we have produced historic results. don't worry about the chattering class. ignore all the background noise. keep the compass set to truth north, we will stand strong and hold the line and we won't back down. i can promise you this, you ain't seen nothing yet. >> we got a new poll yesterday out of new hampshire. look at this. this is an emerson poll, so for all those wishful thinking about ron desantis moving trump out of the way, and what does the poll tell you, michael steele, that this guy is not going away but he is the prohibited favorite to be the republican nominee.

>> and donald trump has not engaged in the cycle yet. what has he done? he went to cpac, okay. he has not gone out among them and is sitting at 58% in new hampshire? these folks are running around and talking about how we are going to take donald trump out? how? yeah, you are going to take him out to your nearest bar, and then stand up and applaud him. then what are you going to do? fox is asking people in a diner, oh, this is going to be a desantis thing, and everybody was, like, trump. even the woman wearing the desantis t-shirt, she was, like, yeah, trump. that's the base's reality, and

asking those in the race, nikki haley, she's already in it, and when are you going to take him out? we are not an authoritarian anti-democratic party, we are pro democracy, free enterprise, a freedom-based party, right? we are going in that direction. you want to come with me, follow me. who is going to do that? not desantis. he's at 17%. haley is at 4. when you are starting at 58%, and everybody else is double digits behind and the base is -- this is important, the base is showing you no signs of moving off of that 58%, all right, so now we just prepare for donald trump versus joe biden. coming up, the former president of ukraine is standing

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since the 2020 elect we have heard of election workers facing direct or indirect threats due to lies spewed by election deniers. one man that has faced a lot of threats, chairman bill gates. after the 2022 election, maricopa county held a meeting where board members were met by angry voters. >> you both have lost all creditability in any shred of integrity. >> the entire board is corrupt and you need to be replaced.

this is the epitome of corrupt men, you five up here. >> the lord knows what you have done. >> i would ask you to confess and repent, and may the consequences of your actions be on your heads. i warn you and i caution you, we have a big god, in jesus name. >> staff writer for "the atlantic," he talked to the maricopa county supervisor, bill gates. the two discussed the threats gates faced during his time as the the state of democracy and gaetz thoughts on the future of elections. great to have you with us. let's talk about bill gates, no

relation. what he did before, during and after and what he endured because of it. >> he had an important role within 2021 and 2022 as chairman of the board of supervisors. maricopa county has more than half of all the votes in arizona. it's the fifth largest county in the country. and the job of the board of supervisors is to certify the election results. and in 2020, as you'll recall, the arizona outcome was so crucial and so close he came under huge pressure from the trend on down not to certify the actual results of the voting that said that joe biden won. he's getting calls from rudy giuliani, text after text after text from the arizona republican

chair, his whole political future. >> as you write in the piece, he hardly was alone. we talked about kaut hobbs, now the governor of arizona. a long list of officials who endured these kind of threats. what was it like to be on the inside of that for bill gates? what was it like to not want the to go outside your home, to not get phone calls from rudy giuliani saying we need to do something about these election results. how did they push through that? did they work together on that? did they have a band of brothers and sisters?

>> yeah, it used to be a good thing for a politician to be recognized on the street. he liked that as he was growing up as a city and county politician. but what i met with him, he was barely willing to meet me at a restaurant. we did it after dark in a kind of sparsely populated restaurant. he was looking around the whole time saying he wasn't recognized. he never goes out in public anymore. he worried about me mentioning what color or type his car was and didn't where he lives because he to be evacuated more than once because of credible death threats. ? his life has been turned upside down. and he does know that it's

common place. he keeps up communications and zoom calls with his counterparts. almost all of them republican election officials who were going through the same thing he is. so al smith in philadelphia, sterling in georgia, his counterpart the secretary of state in new mexico. he'll say things like, well, the candidate just threatened to put me in jail if he wins office. i guess you're going to have to bail me out. that kind of thing. dark jokes about it. >> there's a real sense of how close they came. almost eked out victories and real fear. you mentioned some of the other commissioners. we heard from the january 6th

committee. these threats have had a chilling effect on poll workers. what's your level of concern about just simply the americans who want to do their civic duty to help out with the elections? >> a lot of them are being forced out of those jobs. you're getting death threats and people texing that they know you live. it's scary ri. 50% of election workers reported harassment, abuse and threats in urban areas that have arrived to three quarters of all election workers are under this kind of pressure now. the system isn't built for that. >> the new piece is "a troubling sign for 2024." well worth the read. thank you for bringing it to us.

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plus the latest on the war in ukraine and the battle firefighter the city of bakhmut, which has been costly for both sides. former ukrainian president petro poroshenko joins us with more insight. we begin this hour with a growing number of republican senators criticizing fox news over how one of prooim time hosts portrayed the january 6th attack on the capitol using select footage from that day provided by kevin mccarthy. joining us now is ali vitali. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. a lot going on here on capitol hill, as you laid out. but really the thing that everyone is talking about is the way tucker carlson has been using the footage from the 44,000 hours of raw tootage he got from kevin mccarthy. kevin mccarthy says he hooz no regrets about giving it to tucker carlson. he says other news outlets are going to get it soon after. we're certainly awaiting our

chance to go through this footage and be able to put it in context. we're hearing from lawmakers in both the house and senate arms of the republican party, as well as the head of the u.s. capitol police, who said in a letter to his members yesterday that this was an offensive use of the footage defending the work that his people did on the day of january 6th, defending the capitol. saying that carlson's show conveniently dher ri picked from the calmer moments of our 41,000 hours of video. carlson's commentary fails to provide context about the chaos and violence that happened before or during those moments. he also defending officer brian sicknick who died because of injuries sustained on january 6th. tucker carlson has taken aim at that during his segments about this. but it's not just the capitol police who are now weighing in you're hearing from the top senate republican mitch mcconnell, who is throwing in

with manger. listen. >> with regard to the presentation on fox news last night, i want to associate myself entirely with the opinion of the chief of of the capitol police about what happened on january 6th. my concern is how it was depicted, which is a different issue. clearly, the chief of the capitol police, in my view, correctly describes what most of us witnessed firsthand on january 6th. so that's my reaction to it. it was a mistake, in my view, for fox news to depict this in a way that's completely at

variance with what our chief of law enforcement official here at the capitol thinks. >> i think it's [ bleep ]. when you see police barricades breached, police officers assaulted, you had to be in close proximity to it, if you were a tourist, you should have lined up at the visitor center and came in on an orderly basis. >> i think breaking through glass windows and doors to get into the united states capitol against the borders of police is a crime. i think, particularly when you come into the chambers when you start opening the members desks, when you stand up in their balcony, to put that in the same category as permitted peaceful protest, is it's just a lie. >> it's really sad to see tucker carlson go off the rails that bad. the american people saw what happened on january 6th. they've seen the people that got injured. they saw the damage to the building. you can't hide the truth by

selectively picking a few minutes out of tapes and saying this is what went on. it's so absurd. it's nonsense. it's placating the base of my party is not the right way forward for the republican party or for the country. >> i i think what happened on january 6th waable. in america you can believe what you want. but you can't act on it in a way that constitutes violence. >> i think it was an attack on the capitol. >> very clearly an attack on the capitol. and look, mitch mcconnell knows his members. he understands the way that his conference is dealing with this issue as well as all of the issues that are on the table right now. so notable that he would be someone who brought this up himself. i do i think, though, there's a tell here. especially when you consider the fact the conversations i have been having with house

republicans sound very different than those conversations than with rms. there's a the lot of desire for tucker carlson not just to have this footage, but to be the person airing it out there publicly. but it's also notable as republican senators are condemning what tucker carlson is doing, they are not going after speaker kevin mccarthy for giving him that footage exclusively in the first place. and everyone was aware when mccarthy did that of the kind of coverage that tucker carlson would do as someone who has gaslighted and whitewashed what happened on january 6th. >> you're right to point out there are plenty members of house cheering fox news along as it rewrites history here. ali vitali, thank you so much. we appreciate it. interesting here. politico had a report earlier this week saying in the context of the presidential campaign, none of the people running against donald trump or who may run against donald trump are going to raise january 6.

they are just staying away with from it. they don't want to criticize him over it at all. now you have fox news elevating this as an issue again. they are saying if you want to talk about january 6th and what happened that day and who is responsible for it, let's have at it. >> let's recall there were just a few days after january 6th, 2021 a couple weeks in the republican party was going to break away from donald trump. we know that process stopped when kevin mccarthy went down to mar-a-lago. apologized to trump for speaking harshly to him on january 6th when he was demanding trump call off the rioters. that began the process of trying to normalize and whitewash what happened on january 6th. we're seeing that now two years later when you have the leading voice and concern of media, fox news, top host suggesting that what happened that day wasn't what the media portrayed, and we have republican candidates, who

of course, could use this issue to attack trump. they are refusing to do so. why? because it shows that donald trump still has in his base are the most powerful force in the republican party and everyone is afraid to touch him. >> that's the fear took. you just put your hand on it. the other aspect of this, there's so much that's twisted in this coverage, in this film that they put together. and showed on fox, and fox is feeding it to their captive audience. none more twisted, would submit, than what they have done with what happened to capitol police officer brian sicknick. he died of suffering two strokes on the day after the riot. now tucker is a lot of things, stupid he's not. he's very smart. but tucker, i don't believe, has

ever been a forensic pathologist. don't believe he's ever sat in on an autopsy. but the idea that less than 24 hours after you're assaulted, you're pushed around, you're damaged physically and damaged mentally from the fear of away you have been surrounded with, you're a capitol police officer and you die of a couple strokes the next morning and say it was completely unrelated to the events of january 6th is truly, truly twisted. >> and we know that so many members of congress, republicans, minutes of the media were outraged and afraid of what was happening on january 6th. they know the truth. we know that from the january 6th committee. we know that from filings in the lawsuit. we see text messages and e-mails. we know. they believe their eyes, just like when we see it here. we'll have more larts. jerome powell is expected to

testify before the house financial services committee today. yesterday in a senate banking committee hearing, he cautioned interest rates are likely to head higher than central bank policymakers have expected. >> the latest economic data have in stronger, which suggests the level of interest rates is likely to be higher than previously anticipated. if the totality of the data were to indicate that faster tightening is warranted, we would be prepared to increase the pace of rate hikes. >> let's bring in dom chu. the chairman back on chail today. what do we expect to hear today? >> market impact, to be completely honest. probably a lot of trauders and invest torts. we got a pretty steep selloff. a lot of that attributed to more hawkish commentary, as you just played from the federal reserve chairman. it didn't appear that anything of was said that wasn't consistent with ore statements made by fed policy is makers

that the fight against inflation is still ongoing and the fed would keep rates higher for longer if the data continued to show upward pressure on prices and wages. that did not stop trauders from selling both stocks and bonds in reaction to that testimony. the interest rates to shorter term bonds rose sharply yesterday and now continues today. it hit some of the highest levels since june of 2007, before the great financial crisis. now those treasury yields are seen as a proxy for what the fed will do with interest rates and the bet right now is they go higher. it's not likely powell will say anything today that's too different from yesterday. but it is worth noting, we did get private data earlier this morning from adp that came in better than forecast, hotter than expected, indicating it continued labor market that could stoke more inflation. now speaking of work on this international women's day, more women are returning to work.

that's doing more to help the economy. that's according to a report from the "wall street journa." women have gained more jobs than men going on four consecutive months. during the pandemic, an associated lockdown and shutdown of the economy and then subjects kwens restart, it hit women harder. much of that having to do with child care responsibilities. now that those fears are dissipating, women are resquoining the workforce. and speaking of on this is international women's day, we turn ur attention to the girl scouts. it's cook key selling season. but good luck finding that rasp berry variety. the online only special cookie offering was sold out almost instantly upon departure leaving scrambling to find the cookie. those boxes are usually $5 a piece. they are now going on the secondary market sites like ebay for three to four to ten times list price. i have a daughter in gurl scouts. i know.

i tried to order. i could not get them. >> $80 a box. i love that there's a secondary market for gurl scout cookies. what a world. i'm a thin mint man. dom, thank you. turning now to ukraine, where an official says russia's wagner group has had to use more of its professional recruits to replace its dwindling supply of prirds fighting in bakhmut. the mercenary group led by a putin ally enlists convicted to join its ranks. one ukrainian spokesperson said the city is the wagner group's last stand. as the fight for bakhmut appears to be entering a decisive phase, both sides are trying to justify their staggering losses in a minor city of limited strategic value by presenting them as benefitting their cause. each makes the same claim that the fighting is worth the cost

because it's wearing down the enemy. on the sidelines of a summit is stock today, the secretary general said bakhmut may, quote, fall in the coming days. joining us now is the former president of ukraine, petro poroshenko. thank you for being with us this morning. is that your assessment that bakhmut pay fall in the coming days and if so, which way will it fall? >> we hear the news during the last six months that bakhmut can fall. it's doing for more than nine months. i know exactly what's going on there because some of my fellow party members are there. i have a telephone communication, this is the health. this is the difficult. but ukrainian troops still now

in bakhmut. no matter about the future. bakhmut will be a symbol of ukrainian courage, of resilience, of sacrifice and not a symbol together with fighting for the kharkiv region and many others. why it's so important, because we are keeping all the russian troops demonstrated to the world this is the maximum of russia to demonstrate the offensive operation. and we are waiting. we are waiting for the armed vehicle. we are waiting for the air defense. we are waiting for artillery. most important, we are waiting for ammunition. jet fighter to provide our offensive operation against russia. and with that situation, i really admire by ukrainian

soldiers who is a real hero demonstrating these type of things in bakhmut. me personally during the last year was more than 12 time this is bakhmut. last time it was ten days ago. and i want to say that bakhmut is completely ruined. this is the demonstration that russia provided. and still not more than there. please do not keep it. >> chilling images from bakhmut. wanted to ask you about reports here from yesterday. that "the new york times" reports that u.s. officials are confident that a pro ukrainian group may have been behind the sabotage of the pipelines in the fall.

suggesting that president zelenskyy's government was not involved, but it was a group with ukrainian ties. we wanted to get your raction to that report. what do you make of it? >> first of all, everybody should understand it's a symbol of russian aggression. they have zero importance for their energy security, for the economy,s this the classic example of how to weaponize. that was directly against ukraine. with that situation, if only we know who is behind the sabotage, maybe we would thank them because serve russia right after all these disasters they make on the ukrainian territory.

unfortunately, i cannot command that, but this is the approach of ukraine. >> mr. president, in bakhmut, which is hell on earth right now, ukrainians are faced with human wave assaults from the wagner group. both sides, the wagner group and the ukrainian army is taking massive casualties. my question to you is given the thin line of defense or offense in the case of the ukrainian army, do you worry about other areas near bakhmut being left untended completely to defend or fight the russians in other areas? >> everybody should understand that now bakhmut is the most concentrated point on the ukraine.

and they understand that wagner group criminals is military. and they have nothing to do. we protect in our own way. we have a very high motivation, who is a hero fighting for their soil, foigting for their family, for their children, for their parents and many, many others. and with that situation, we have figures that russia paid five or seven times more than ukraine. but i cannot say it like that because only during the last month, i lost in bakhmut area. s at leasten seven of my close friends. and this is just a demonstration of the price ukraine pay for this aggression.

this is the argument that we are here protecting not only ukraine, we are here protecting the free and democrat you can world. and umbrella of armed forces providing the security and their democracy. i keep my fingers crossed that we will have that operation. we hope that will start at the end of march and russia now it's confirmed that there's no forces for the offensive operation, which they were so well announced at the spring that would be russian operation. no chance. >> former ukrainian president petro poroshenko joining us from kyiv. we always appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up, an inside look at

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25 in the morning in san francisco. 25u6 there. 9:25 here. the nfl off season is heating up now that the franchise tag deadline has passed. teams either had to reach a new deal with players, give them the tag, which is a one-year contract or let them walk away. let's start in new york and a huge contract for daniel jones. the quarterback agreeing with the giants to a four-year $160 million deal. according to ian rapoport, he will get $94 million of guaranteed money when he signs the deal. the giants did use the franchise tag to keep saquon barkley on

the team for another year and lamar jackson still a baltimore raven for the moment. the team used a nonexclusive franchise tag on the 2019 nfl mvp meaning they have until mid-july to reach a long-term deal. it does alu him to negotiate with other teams during the free agency period. let's start with dannytimes. this is $1.6 billion dimes is what he received. as you suggest, the times has changed his name to danny dollars. he earned it. he had a great season. frankly, there wasn't a else out there on the market unless ahmad khan rahami might have come. they made the deal. >> i'm a little less bullish. as you well know, he did have a good year. crash landing in the playoff game, but it was more this is more or less the going rate for a quarterback. is and they didn't have any

other choice here. they weren't going to be able to get a quarterback in the draft. he was going to be the guy to be going forward. lamar jackson, there's friction between the ravens and the quarterback. ooip not convinced he's in baltimore to start the season. >> that's the most interesting quarterback on the market. what they did yesterday was let him be a partial free agent. if he gets an offer from some other team, the ravens have a chance to match that offer or let hum go. what are the rayens without lamar jackson? he might be the best quarterback on the market. >> he's the most important player to the team. we all wait. aaron rodgers emerged from the darkness and we await his decision. >> and joe is back with us. aaron rodgers was courted by the jets who are travel to california to talk to him yesterday hoping he will come and be under center. >> i mean, come on.

"the new york post" is praying for this to happen. aaron rodgers headlines, i mean, they are going to be off the wall crazy. but i think he's a good match for the jets. the jets were a team last year. had a great year. started out really well and faded away. but a good quarterback, they can plug in there. it will be kpooiting for them. the conspiracy theories that he spouts all the time, be be very exciting for "new york post" headline writers. and since they are the official newspaper of "morning joe," we're very excited about that. i have to go back to the money though that jones is making. i love jones. i really do. he's a gutsy quarterback. he really is. it's a really great story. i can't believe the money that they are throwing at these guys. and secondly, who wouldn't lock

down lamar? lamar is the best -- he's one of the best quarterbacks in the nfl. what would baltimore be without him? >> he has had some injuries, which maybe part of the story there. but i think jonathan is more skeptical. i think they have to keep him around. they gave him the weird nonexclusive franchise tag. i don't know what that franchise is without lamar jackson. it's just wild. $90 million in guaranteed money to daniel jones, $52 million in year one to geno smith. he had a pro bowl season, but they are locking hum up with guaranteed money. >> it just raises the bar. when the chiefs sign holmes holmes patrick mahomes, they

blew the salary structure out. >> it's how much money the nfl is worth and tv contracts and how much each team is worth. >> even with the salary cap, they wouldn't be paying it if they didn't have it. changes coming to covid testing requirements for travelers overseas. "morning joe" is back in a moment. "morning joe" is back in a moment

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navigated the chaos. congratulations on the book. >> thank you for having me. >> we're talking about airbnb, ford, hilton, morgan stanley, just to name a few. what was your big broad take away of how they managed and came out the other side? >> hi first take away was how blind sided they were. they should have the best lines of sight into the global businesses, the halls of power, and they were as in the dark as the rest of us, which i found a little comforting in the end. the upside is everyone did pretty well. that's due to the robust response of the government, which really just threw a $6 trillion backstop behind american businesses and insured that whatever weirdness of the economic moment we're in right now, it came close to total

collapse. >> let's talk about airbnb as a case study. the ceo of that company is running a business based on people going and staying at homes and other people's homes in most cases. how did they manage the crisis? how did they benefit in the end? >> they came into 2020 expecting to go public torks take their place in the silicon valley. and brian had spent the holidays of 2019 with a big stack saying what's our story? and the story he landed on was the year of connection. we're going to bring people together. that always stuck with me as i reported the book out. in april, they were really left for dead. the idea that you'd go into a stranger's house seemed insane. they raised money. it was very expensive money. they had to cut their valuations steeply, but they noticed something starting in may and june of 2020, which people did

want to travel but didn't want to spend a weekend at wanted to go to the catskills. they were ready to go public. and $100 billion valuation, which is such an interesting bookend. >> one of the more interesting companies, at least to me, that's on this list is ford. ford is one of the original corporate foundations of this country. and now they are on electric cars. what happened to ford during this period? >> this was an existential think threats. think about every part of the business, they couldn't make cars. assembly lines requester were shut down. they would be $40,000 on a brnd new ford. and they were incredibly indebted. and ultimately two things.

they raise money fast with help from the treasury. they stepped up in way that's important. it's hard to remember that there's this sort of fear and uncertainty and strange earnestness in the early days of the pandemic. they said for the company that made bombers, they made iron lungs for polio. and he said, we're ford. this is america. we have to step up. we have to help and they made ventilators. they made represents raters to keep front line work irs safe. there's a lot of credit here. >> one of the things that the book does is shows how the response to 2008 financial crisis set the stage for these companies to survive the covid financial crisis. tell us about that. >> you have to remember 2008 the government took about nine months to do in 2020. and that's the difference between where we are now, which is strange, but certainly thot

where we were in 2009 and 2010 in the economic funk that lasted for years. but get money out fast. we could debate whether it went to the right people or talk about the moral hazard of bailouts, but there's a tradeoff in getting it exactly where it needs to go. and they spent a lot of money very fast, certainly the spigot was opened too wide for too long, which explains the inflation we have seen now. but this should go right back on the shelf and get pulled off when one thing or another we'll need it. >> it's a fascinating book. it reads like a thriller. the companies winging it trying to figure out how to get through the pandemic. the book is called crash landing. great to see you. congrats on the book. >> thank you for having me. >> mika, back to you in abu dhabi. >> all right. thank you. it's been a huge day here at a the 3050 summit. earlier on "morning joe," you saw my live conversation, i had

a new cohost. >> you're trading up big time. >> it was hillary clinton. along with ukraine's first lady. journalist gloria steinem. we have had many other game-changing conversations throughout the day with over 500 women from 50 different countries. take a look. >> i understand what it is to have people look at me and see themselves because that's been me for so many years looking up to so many incredible black and brown women. >> we wanted to create a community. we wanted to create a club of first ladies and gentlemen. but after the war had started, many of them showed their support. they showed they were a powerful force and reacted even faster

than some governments and presidents. >> i have two young girls and a son. it's just -- my intention and my drive comes from a place of wanting to level the playing field for them. and i see the level playing field, but really, it's build in our own field. >> let your work be part of your life. and surround yourself with good people t you're lucky. and just be grateful. grateful for my moments, grateful for every day you wake up. >> i was ab actress. why not put mutt face on if i want to. and i shouldn't have to be concerned about what it would do to my health. certainly, anything around my baby, i. ed to be sure she was safe. >> there was still a lot that we can learn off of what billy said about the opportunities that women have in every single walk

of life, every single kind of setting, to not only speak up for themselves, but also for other women. and i really want to underscore that. because too often it's a lonely time when you're the only woman or you are a woman who is in a position of having to speak up or try to make a point. in a not very friendly atmosphere. >> joining us now is vice chair of the 30/50 summit uma abedin. a great team put this together with me. it's been an incredible event. let's talk about what you guys have been dieng today we ran my conversation live on "morning joe." so our viewers know what happened there. but you talked to misty cokeland this morning. >> misty copeland gave us a

master class in breaking barriers. beyond that, one of the things we learned today is she's a woman who reached her art to such a sort of historic height and decided that it wasn't enough. she was going to do more to give back. she has a program to bring ballet and dance in schools. and one of the things that really struck me about what she said is that she feels the weight of the responsibility of being the first in her field. she carries that on her shoulder. the book that she most recently written about mentorship, her own mentor, that she discovered only after she met her lived right down the street. >> that's a lot of what this summit is about. and you had an amazing discussion today given our 50 over 50 list and the success of these lists going global immediately.

because there's so many incredible women doing amazing things well after the age of 50. you had an incredible discussion about embracing amging. >> i talked to jo alabama jenkins, the ceo of aarp. she was on our list in 2021. by 2050, the number of women over the age of 50 around the world will double. now that's a staggering statistic on its own, but all throughout the day, we have been talking about the pay gap we have new data that show it is will take 250 years to achieve pay equity around the world. why does all of this matter? when you pay women less, they save less, they invest less. it drives the wealth gap. it draifs the spending gap. think about all the women turning 50 by 2050. and their spending power will be diminished. so when you invest in women, you invest in economic growth. >> i love that. there was such a great conversation today. there's still so much more. we're going to talk about

tomorrow. but first, tonight we're headed to the move in abu dhabi and have an incredible award ceremony. give us a preview. >> it showed us what leadership and icons are and can be and have done and continue to do. and we're taking the opportunity to really honor them. hillary clinton, who got the award last year is presenting a lifetime achievement award. and just having her presence here. to walk into the room and women from all over the world to see gloria steinem champion for wum's rights for decades was inspiring. she will receive that award. billy jeanne king, blew us all away. she's going to get the know your value award because she is somebody in the way you like to tell people for women to know

their value, she's walked that walk. and finally, the torture freedom award, which is going to first lady of ukraine. i think anybody who watched her today could not help but see an icon. >> tomorrow we'll have you back. we're going to have to go. we'll be really quickly doing a lot of work on the ground. >> a the lot of mentoring. there's going to be a town hall with you and me and four speakers today. because today's programming was so packed, people couldn't ask questions. we're going to start the mentoring with people peppering with questions about careers and advice and all that good stuff. >> and by the way, this has been a droem of mika's for a long time. i know you all have been in the middle of this for the past

year. >> thank you. >> it's just extraordinary what we all saw today here. this really is a history-making event. when forbes was saying the greatest gathering of women everywhere. >> i thought you might be. >> when you looked across that stage, you talked about gloria steinem and hillary clinton, and she sat in the middle and you could see this woman who is doing extraordinary things. she was just taking it all in. the history that was surrounding her. >> i had a hard time. i almost cried at one point. it was a big day. and more to come tomorrow. thank you both. >> incredible job. >> for all the latest on the 30/50 summit, check out our

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welcome back. time now for a look at the morning papers. the hartford current has a front page feature on connecticut hospitals facing difficult financial situations. officials say 2022 was the worst year financially for hospitals across the state. in total, they lost about $164 million while operating expenses were up $3.5 billion from 019. the state's hospital association is now calling on lawmakers to address medicaid underpayment and to bolster work face support. in new york the buffalo news highlights a study that shows patients with long covid are more likely to have gastrointestinal issues. a year after contracting the virus patients were 36% more likely to have long-term stomach pain, constipation, bloating and other symptoms they did not have before. the chicago tribune leads with

president biden's plan to fund medicare for the next 25 years. the legislation would impose new taxes on the rich. the medicare tax rate would increase from 3.8% to 5% for annual incomes over $400,000. according to estimates, this would likely increase tax revenue by more than $117 billion over the next ten years. and the south florida sun sentinel reports the justice department is suing to block the jetblue spirit airlines merger. jetblue wants to take over the budget airline for nearly $4 billion, but that would lead to reduced competition and higher prices for customers. jetblue argues the merger would boost domestic and international service. it's been two months since the brutal beating of tyre nichols. the 29-year-old was pulled over on january 7th during a traffic stop and died in the hospital three days later.

five memphis police officers are facing criminal charges in connection to his death. now we're learning several other fire and police employees were charged following an administrative investigation. the city of memphis is set to release those documents today along with more than 20 hours of video of nichols' rest. joining us now nbc news correspondent antonia hylton. what should we expect today? >> later this afternoon, the city of memphis is going to release a massive amount of documents and hours and hours of video and audio. in some ways there won't be surprises. it's going to be additional angles, insights into what we fundamentally know which is how graphic and horrific this beating was in the initial drop of video that we received weeks ago now. but it's all part of this broader investigation that's shedding light on additional members of both the police department and the fire department, so much attention has been focused on these five

officers who are now facing second degree murder charges, but what we're finding out now is that there are 13 officers in the police department who are involved, seven have been terminated, three suspended without pay. two had their charges dropped, and one managed to quit before he was going to be fired, which has angered people in the community because he's going to be able to keep his pension. then three members of the fire department including some of the emts who we've seen in some of the video who took quite a long time to take care of tee ree on the scene, as you see him in the initial videos slumped over, clearly in agony. they've been terminated and one more member of that team has been suspended, and so we're going to see charging documents, additional details about perhaps the history of these officers' experience in the department, what they knew about them, and more about what they did on the scene and after the beating, including potentially interactions they had with tyre nichols' family. while the facts of this case and the beating remain the same,

it's going to give us a bit more color and insight into what happened. >> memphis is a major city in this country. it seems to be that you have the entire department of public safety, cops, fire, emts all under a cloud. what's going to happen? what is happening now? what's the plan for the future? >> well, right now there is a sustained effort on the side of the family of tyre and the protesters on the ground to push for reform for all these departments and actually just late last night around 10:30 or so, they managed to pass five new ordinances in the city that are going to change the way these departments are able to function. that gives civilians and independent groups more oversight over the police, their procedures, their training. it's going to put an end to things like unmarked vehicles being involved in traffic violations. it's going to require the police department to share more data and in two weeks' time when the council meets again more changes are likely. >> we'll be looking for that new material released later today.

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